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RB Derrick Henry, BAL (1 Viewer)

I agree, I think Henry is a great play. It all depends what expectations are. If they are what Henry owners have been salivating over since he entered the league (wait until Murray is gone then he'll be a super star), then I think they will be disappointed. But I think Henry will do quite well and out perform lower expectations with Dion there. I think Dion will fill more of a pass catching role that Murray filled, and is very valuable as well. I'd buy either one of these two; both are fantasy relevant and great bargains. 
Neither has a cheap price tag. I gave Marvin Jones for Henry recently in PPR dynasty. Trying to buy Lewis for the 1.14 pick right now.

 
Neither has a cheap price tag. I gave Marvin Jones for Henry recently in PPR dynasty. Trying to buy Lewis for the 1.14 pick right now.
Wow, that's a steep price tag for Lewis. Completed a trade for him today and I got a 2nd in the process for Alshon and a 3rd. I feel like it was a pretty good trade. Happy about the 2nd rounder even though its likely a late 2nd. I needed depth badly at RB and Lewis is one of the few that won't cost me an arm and a leg to get. 

 
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Wow, that's a steep price tag for Lewis. Completed a trade for him today and I got a 2nd in the process for Alshon and a 3rd. I feel like it was a pretty good trade. Happy about the 2nd rounder even though its likely a late 2nd. I needed depth badly at RB and Lewis is one of the few that won't cost me an arm and a leg to get. 
It's equal to a mid 2nd since this is a devy league

 
bostonfred said:
This is an excellent breakdown of Henry and the Titans offense this year. Wait.........I've seen that statement somewhere. Anyhoo......makes me really wanna tag Henry in the later rounds but am afraid he's gonna be taken earlier. I have several Titan homers in my league. I have a 12 PPR redraft league and I am pick 1.11 and 2.2 at the turn. I have other needs, but really don;t want to lose out on Henry. Is there a possibility he's there in the 3rd? I just don't know. Can anyone help me out here?

 
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Henry owners in my leagues haven't budged on his price even with the Lewis signing. They've waited two plus years to see what he can do as the man and Lewis doesn't scare them. Would take something like the 1.2+ to pry him away from them.  I like him, but I'll pass at that price.

 
Henry owners in my leagues haven't budged on his price even with the Lewis signing. They've waited two plus years to see what he can do as the man and Lewis doesn't scare them. Would take something like the 1.2+ to pry him away from them.  I like him, but I'll pass at that price.
I'd sell for that lol. I would then flip the 1.2 for another Rb ++

 
Henry vs guice

Henry was a better college player and was drafted earlier, he has a better o line, he's going to be running in a good scheme fit, he has already looked very good in the NFL, and while Henry has Lewis, guice has Thompson and Perine. Guice is almost 3 years younger, but both are young enough. 

Henry vs Chubb

Chubb is dealing with a similar situation to what Henry was when he was drafted.  Both are very talented and both are known more for their running than receiving but are capable runners.  Chubb is only six months younger. 

I can understand why someone would trade Henry for Penny or Jones in ppr if they were especially high on them, or if you were down on Henry's talent or particularly high on Chubb or Guice.  But personally, I would rate Henry about equal to 1.2 and wouldn't be in much of a hurry to trade the pick for the player or vice versa. 

That said, I might prefer the pick slightly if the rookie draft was in late August and I had time to see injuries and preseason performances. More information is usually a good thing.

 
Henry vs guice

Henry was a better college player and was drafted earlier, he has a better o line, he's going to be running in a good scheme fit, he has already looked very good in the NFL, and while Henry has Lewis, guice has Thompson and Perine. Guice is almost 3 years younger, but both are young enough. 

Henry vs Chubb

Chubb is dealing with a similar situation to what Henry was when he was drafted.  Both are very talented and both are known more for their running than receiving but are capable runners.  Chubb is only six months younger. 

I can understand why someone would trade Henry for Penny or Jones in ppr if they were especially high on them, or if you were down on Henry's talent or particularly high on Chubb or Guice.  But personally, I would rate Henry about equal to 1.2 and wouldn't be in much of a hurry to trade the pick for the player or vice versa. 

That said, I might prefer the pick slightly if the rookie draft was in late August and I had time to see injuries and preseason performances. More information is usually a good thing.
Washington's line was much better than Tennessee's when healthy last year, but both are set up pretty well this season.

I have Guice/Henry pretty close from a talent and situation perspective, so I'll take the younger Guice between them. But I agree the effect of the Lewis signing on Henry's fantasy production is being overstated by a lot of people.

 
Dion Lewis had a 7 game stretch in 2015 where he was exceptional--especially receiving.  In 7 games he caught 36 receptions and a stunning 10.8 ypc--very good for a running back.  But he got hurt.  The  next year LeGarette Blount took the job from him.  Last year he was very effective again but IMO, he is not the same player he was for that brief period in 2015.

LeGarette Blount is no where near the back that Henry is.

I just find it hard to believe that Lewis is going to be that much of a threat to Henry. He will be used, no doubt, but as a COP and third down passing back.  That still leaves the bulk of carries, a fair amount of receptions, and the lion's share of TDs for Henry.  

 
Henry vs guice

Henry was a better college player and was drafted earlier, he has a better o line, he's going to be running in a good scheme fit, he has already looked very good in the NFL, and while Henry has Lewis, guice has Thompson and Perine. Guice is almost 3 years younger, but both are young enough. 

Henry vs Chubb

Chubb is dealing with a similar situation to what Henry was when he was drafted.  Both are very talented and both are known more for their running than receiving but are capable runners.  Chubb is only six months younger. 

I can understand why someone would trade Henry for Penny or Jones in ppr if they were especially high on them, or if you were down on Henry's talent or particularly high on Chubb or Guice.  But personally, I would rate Henry about equal to 1.2 and wouldn't be in much of a hurry to trade the pick for the player or vice versa. 

That said, I might prefer the pick slightly if the rookie draft was in late August and I had time to see injuries and preseason performances. More information is usually a good thing.
I already tried to get a 1.5 out of Henry and a 1.7. No bites. 

So I hope you're right.

 
I already tried to get a 1.5 out of Henry and a 1.7. No bites. 

So I hope you're right.
I don't think I'd take that. 1.5 and 1.7 offer RBs who can be undisputed rb1s next year and at a young age of 21-23. 

Maybe 1.11 or 1.12, but even then youre talking some talented wrs. depends how desperate I am at rb. 

 
I don't think I'd take that. 1.5 and 1.7 offer RBs who can be undisputed rb1s next year and at a young age of 21-23. 

Maybe 1.11 or 1.12, but even then youre talking some talented wrs. depends how desperate I am at rb. 
So you have Henry behind all of the 8 rookie running backs this year and a couple of the rookie receivers?

He's 23 right now and is entering his age 24 season, a lot of these backs are 22 or 23 and have uncertain roles themselves.  I like Kerryon, but i would have no plans of drafting him to start him week 1.  Michel, Ronald Jones and Chubb and Freeman are probably all splitting time early on.   Michel and Chubb are old rookies, Freeman has a ton of wear and tear, and while Jones is the youngest, he may never get a full time workload and that team is starting to look like a train wreck. 

If you like every single one of those rookies better than Henry, and several receivers in a weak receiver class, that's fine, but all you're really saying is "I'm pretty low on Henry".  

 
So you have Henry behind all of the 8 rookie running backs this year and a couple of the rookie receivers?

He's 23 right now and is entering his age 24 season, a lot of these backs are 22 or 23 and have uncertain roles themselves.  I like Kerryon, but i would have no plans of drafting him to start him week 1.  Michel, Ronald Jones and Chubb and Freeman are probably all splitting time early on.   Michel and Chubb are old rookies, Freeman has a ton of wear and tear, and while Jones is the youngest, he may never get a full time workload and that team is starting to look like a train wreck. 

If you like every single one of those rookies better than Henry, and several receivers in a weak receiver class, that's fine, but all you're really saying is "I'm pretty low on Henry".  
in dynasty, possibly. it depends who is there. trading before the draft starts means guice could fall and youd be regretting trading 1.5 away. 

I would rather have Barkley, Guice, Michel, Jones for sure. Maybe Freeman, and Penny, but probably not. Chubb I do not at this time but by August I may. I think if the dominos fall right he could easily put perform Henry but right now I don't see it. Johnson I like but, like chubb, it may take some time for pay off.

I think TEN going out and signing Lewis to a pretty impressive deal considering his resume should be concerning for Henry owners. If he was truly capable of being "the guy" then why not spend that money elsewhere, like the defense. Maybe it's because LaFleur likes to throw the ball to his RB and that's not Henry's strong suit. So that means time off the field for Henry. Yeah, I'm not too high on Henry. you criticize these rookies in saying they're splitting time, then you conpletely disregard a 50/50 split for Henry it seems 

 
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with regards to rookie wrs, sure maybe. it depends on my roster. I'm not a big fan of DJ Moore. I think rookie drafts todat offer great value near the end of round 1 and early round 2. I likely would not want to trade Henry for a WR in this class straight up, because I think there is better value later and will cost you less.

 
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I keep seeing people refer to Dion Lewis‘s salary like it’s a guarantee he will get lots of playing time.  I think that is faulty logic. He’s not really getting that much in the grand scheme of things and Henry is still on his rookie deal.  Many teams have two or even three good RBs. 

 
So what's Henry's dynasty value these days?
Before Lewis signed with Tennessee I was able to deal Henry in an FFPC league for the 1.04 pick.

A few weeks ago I was offered in a different FFPC league Henry for my 2019 1st and I thought about it but I passed.  

I am just not a fan of this guy.

 
I keep seeing people refer to Dion Lewis‘s salary like it’s a guarantee he will get lots of playing time.  I think that is faulty logic. He’s not really getting that much in the grand scheme of things and Henry is still on his rookie deal.  Many teams have two or even three good RBs. 
How many times have we seen a team with a first year head coach over pay for a good player from his old team who can help him install his system?  It happens all the time.  The titans needed a complimentary back and a guy who could back up Henry if he misses time and someone who can help them install a different offensive game plan when they need to.  They got all that in one guy. That is not an indication of a 50/50 split.

I do think there may be games where Lewis gets double digit carries, but the simple truth is this.  When you give Henry a lot of carries you wear down the defense.  When you give Dion a lot of carries you wear down Dion. 

 
I keep seeing people refer to Dion Lewis‘s salary like it’s a guarantee he will get lots of playing time.  I think that is faulty logic. He’s not really getting that much in the grand scheme of things and Henry is still on his rookie deal.  Many teams have two or even three good RBs. 
hes the 11th highest paid rb :shrug: I guess that's nothing to sneeze at these days. makes more than latavius Murray, who was signed to be a starter before cook fell into their laps. more than Marshawn lynch and Ingram. two other starting RBs. I guess nothing to see here

following this story all offseason, he is expected to be getting lots of playing time

 
coach has called Henry a 2 down back. his words not mine. 

I'm not saying Henry is useless. I'm saying Lewis is going to eat into his carries and receptions enough to deflate his value
"In my mind, we've got a big running back. We've got a big first- and second-down back," Vrabel said of Henry. "Dion provides a different body type, a different playing style. So how the two will complement each other, I'm not really sure. But I know that one's got a certain skill set and another body type and one is a little smaller, probably a little quicker, and has a different running style...

Dion has been in a position where there's been other guys, and he's been a great teammate. In some games he may have a bigger role, and in other games he may have a lesser role. But we're comfortable with those two guys going in."

http://m.titansonline.com/news/article-4/Titans-Discuss-Plans-for-RBs-Derrick-Henry-Dion-Lewis/d01250b2-1165-4b1c-a7d2-02e48b691526

That's about as clear as you're going to get.  Henry is the main first and second down guy, Lewis is a third down/CoP  guy who could get a lot more early down touches against certain types of defense.  Like every team ever they seem to envision themselves running the football a lot during the off season but when the bullets are flying I think the titans are still on the high end of the NFL in terms of rb touches and I think Henry ends up with comfortably more carries and touches than Lewis.  

 
Correct. If you really believe this, I'll buy a second house just so i can bet two houses that Dion doesn't get 400 carries this year. 
no one said 400 carries. coach said he could get 25 any given week. Henry could get 25 the next week. I see Dion as less likely to fall victim to this system as a back that offers more from a reception standpoint. those receptions can protect Lewis from being uselessone week after blowing up the next. but if you don't belueve the coach himself, then ok 

a new coach inherits an old coaches team and players, goes out and gets a.guy he wants for his system, calls the established back a good 2 down back. says either one could get 20 carries a game. but nothing to see here.

 
Not sure why calling someone a 1st and 2nd down back is bad. He's the starter, and he's given the ball first. Once Henry starts rumbling through defenses as we saw he could, Lewis will be a handy role player and nothing else. Look at his lifetime stats and tell me you see a guy who's going to get in the way of Henry breaking out.

 
Not sure why calling someone a 1st and 2nd down back is bad. He's the starter, and he's given the ball first. Once Henry starts rumbling through defenses as we saw he could, Lewis will be a handy role player and nothing else. Look at his lifetime stats and tell me you see a guy who's going to get in the way of Henry breaking out.
I'm not calling his situation bad. if you read my posts you would have seen that I said I'm not saying Henry is useless. 

if you look at the link I previously posted, Lewis was the best back of 2018. so yes. when I see those stats I see a guy who can get in the way of Henry breaking out.  Henry is a great asset and will be a good rb2. I think dion Lewis will be a great rb2 as well

 
I don't think I'd take that. 1.5 and 1.7 offer RBs who can be undisputed rb1s next year and at a young age of 21-23. 

Maybe 1.11 or 1.12, but even then youre talking some talented wrs. depends how desperate I am at rb. 
We're talking about the 1.4 from 2 years ago. What has he done except prove he can play in the NFL? And he's 23.

 
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Not sure why calling someone a 1st and 2nd down back is bad. He's the starter, and he's given the ball first. Once Henry starts rumbling through defenses as we saw he could, Lewis will be a handy role player and nothing else. Look at his lifetime stats and tell me you see a guy who's going to get in the way of Henry breaking out.
The whole thing makes me nervous.  

 
being how good LEwis was in N.E> you'd think BB would've kept him in town.I understand salary cap is a major issue, but a pass-catching RB like that doesn't grow on trees.

I'm more worried about the coaching staff than I am about D. Henry..

as for Henry he'll be fine, probably a 1,000 yard, 12 TD steamroller. the value he has is the goal-line work he should receive.

 
Terry McCormick of TitanInsider suggests Derrick Henry will lead the team in carries this season.

McCormick said it's "not out of the question" that Henry could lead the team in rushing attempts but still finish with fewer all-purpose yards than teammate Dion Lewis, who joined Tennessee on a four-year, $20 million contract this offseason. The 247-pound Henry profiles as Tennessee's short-yardage/goal-line back while Lewis should see more involvement on passing downs. Both players are currently being drafted as back-end RB2s in fantasy.

Source: TitanInsider 

Jul 5 - 12:31 PM
 
I didn't realize how heavy Henry was. That's crazy. Guy is a beast. 

This very much looks like a NO copy-cat situation. Both backs are going to have serious value IMO

 
@Dr. Dan

If you weren't aware of his size you should probably look at the rest of his combine results because they're ridiculous.  

Derrick Henry 6'3" 247 lbs

40 YARD DASH: 4.54 SEC

BENCH PRESS: 22 REPS

VERTICAL JUMP: 37.0 INCH

BROAD JUMP: 130.0 INCH

3 CONE DRILL: 7.20 SEC

20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.38 SEC

60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.50 SEC

Dion Lewis 5'8" 195 lbs.

40 YARD DASH: 4.57 SEC

BENCH PRESS: 17 REPS

VERTICAL JUMP: 34.5 INCH

BROAD JUMP: 112.0 INCH

3 CONE DRILL: 6.90 SEC

20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.18 SEC

60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.39 SEC

Henry's bigger, faster and stronger. He's an athletic freak like few before him.  Lewis is tiny and more agile, and he's coming off his best season, but he's not built for 300 carries.  Henry is built for 500. It really shouldn't be news that Henry is expected to lead the team in carries.  

 
Best way I could see them using Henry is to split carries, maybe 60/40, with Lewis in the 1st half. And then just crush the opposing teams will by force-feeding Henry in the 2nd half. 

Will they use him correctly (simply speaking from a FF standpoint)? Probably not. But I’m holding out hope for a decent year. 

 
@Dr. Dan

If you weren't aware of his size you should probably look at the rest of his combine results because they're ridiculous.  

Derrick Henry 6'3" 247 lbs

40 YARD DASH: 4.54 SEC

BENCH PRESS: 22 REPS

VERTICAL JUMP: 37.0 INCH

BROAD JUMP: 130.0 INCH

3 CONE DRILL: 7.20 SEC

20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.38 SEC

60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.50 SEC

Dion Lewis 5'8" 195 lbs.

40 YARD DASH: 4.57 SEC

BENCH PRESS: 17 REPS

VERTICAL JUMP: 34.5 INCH

BROAD JUMP: 112.0 INCH

3 CONE DRILL: 6.90 SEC

20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.18 SEC

60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.39 SEC

Henry's bigger, faster and stronger. He's an athletic freak like few before him.  Lewis is tiny and more agile, and he's coming off his best season, but he's not built for 300 carries.  Henry is built for 500. It really shouldn't be news that Henry is expected to lead the team in carries.  
I knew he was tall, I just didn't realize how big he was. He is an athletic freak, that I did know. 

No, I don't think Lewis will get 300 carries. I hope I never seemed like I was saying this. I think Lewis dominates the PPR game and Henry eats up the 1-2 down work. I think both are substantially valuable. If I said otherwise, I mis-spoke. Without Lewis maybe Henry is involved more in the passing game and we'd be looking at a guy who could complete for top 3 status, but with Lewis I think that limits Henry to some degree. Not much, he's still valuable. 

IMO TEN is in for a big season and I'm buying anywhere I can

 
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I knew he was tall, I just didn't realize how big he was. He is an athletic freak, that I did know. 

No, I don't think Lewis will get 300 carries. I hope I never seemed like I was saying this. I think Lewis dominates the PPR game and Henry eats up the 1-2 down work. I think both are substantially valuable. If I said otherwise, I mis-spoke. Without Lewis maybe Henry is involved more in the passing game and we'd be looking at a guy who could complete for top 3 status, but with Lewis I think that limits Henry to some degree. Not much, he's still valuable. 

IMO TEN is in for a big season and I'm buying anywhere I can
I like Henry more simply because he is younger and is built to take a load so I expect him to be the more consistent, season long.  But both backs will be productive and both will be useful in fantasy and I agree that one could even start both depending on opponent.  

Despite the coaching staff saying they want to pass more, when I look at the quality of their backs and compare that to the receivers, there is no comparison. This team will still run the ball a ton in 2018.

 
I like Henry more simply because he is younger and is built to take a load so I expect him to be the more consistent, season long.  But both backs will be productive and both will be useful in fantasy and I agree that one could even start both depending on opponent.  

Despite the coaching staff saying they want to pass more, when I look at the quality of their backs and compare that to the receivers, there is no comparison. This team will still run the ball a ton in 2018.
In redraft I would like Henry more because of the GL carries, but overall you're more likely to over-pay for Henry when you can get similar value in Lewis much later. So I would probably target Lewis personally. Henry is ranked RB19 (44 overall), lewis RB24 (60 overall) in redraft PPR for FBG. It seems like Henry is being drafted much higher than that. If I have to spend a 3rd round pick on Henry, I'm passing. Now, if I'm drafting round 4 and Henry is on the board, sure I take him. Lewis can be had round 5 or 6, and may get close to or more FP/G than Henry depending on TDs. I see all of the rookie RBs going ahead of Lewis just because of rookie-mania in fantasy after last season. That's the value pick

In dynasty, well absolutely, Henry is a dream. Lewis is a temporary player who has maybe 3 productive years ahead of him in this system, but is cut-able after 2019 if they run into cap issues. Henry is young, athletically gifted, and has had success in the NFL. Not much to not like for the next 8 years. 

 
The Titans have a tackle that was all pro as rookie and one that was probably the best in the NFL last year. They've been absent lately. Lewan needs a contract and has said he is in no hurry to NOT play with Conklin. 

The Titans are not going to have rushing success without those two. No team's line could lose two gems and keep expectations the same.

Some are saying the Titans won't use the TE so much because tthey've seen LaFleur. He's inexperienced so that's hard to buy but the Rams didn't. Vrabel is from the Pats where they use TEs tons. Tricky to figure out here.

Late last year the Titans cut their top rated FB. This was one of many reasons forMularkey dismissal. Probably could have been overcome but it was a grrr moment. 

So the team could be without tackles tightends and fullbacks. That is a bit much to say. Call it a gross exaggeration. But take it with a ginormous grain of salt.

The line was awful in the spring and they are NOT comfortable. Every one that writes of the Titans is concerned. 

Could Lewan and Conklin return and things fall into place? Absolutely!

The new staff is changing the O before camp yet again. 

This is a classic case of "do I over think the spring."

Good luck.I'm not offering a prediction here just warning you that there is widespread concern

 
Dr. Dan said:
Henry is young, athletically gifted, and has had success in the NFL. Not much to not like for the next 8 years. 
I agree that Henry has a very bright future, but 8 years is an eternity for RB production. If Henry doesn’t emerge as a big time player in the next, say, 2-3 years, it may never happen as  a new toy could be brought in.

 
I agree that Henry has a very bright future, but 8 years is an eternity for RB production. If Henry doesn’t emerge as a big time player in the next, say, 2-3 years, it may never happen as  a new toy could be brought in.
well of course. did you think I meant that they would wait 8 years for him to produce? I'm offended at that. 

Henry will do well for a very long time

 
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I agree that Henry has a very bright future, but 8 years is an eternity for RB production. If Henry doesn’t emerge as a big time player in the next, say, 2-3 years, it may never happen as  a new toy could be brought in.
Care to make a call on whether the sun will rise tomorrow?

 

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