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RB draft fall out (1 Viewer)

Wildman said:
McGahee has never played 16 games.
:wall: In his four years McGahee has played 16, 16, 14, and 15 games....which is just about as good as you're going to see out of an NFL RB.He has STARTED 11, 15, 14, and 15 games. He didn't miss those 5 games in the 1st year (well, his 2nd technically in the league) because he was injured, but rather because he did not yet have the starting gig.
 
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Marc Levin said:
And it starts . . . Not sure I can take 4 months of Denver RB talk in the Pool if we are just all going to say the EXACT same things hundreds - literally - of posters have already said.
I am done with the Denver RB headache. I traded away Henry in both of my dynasty leagues. I do not think Denver is the great run team they use to be.
 
Owners of rookie picks 5-8 should be very happy.

IMO McFadden stayed about the same, and Stewart dropped a little but he should easily beat out DeAngelo for the majority of the reps.

Mendenhall will be in RBBC with Fast Willie so his value goes down.

Felix drops some as he will get no more than about 1/3 of the reps I think.

And poor Ray Rice who I was very high on drops off off the radar screen now.

I think Chris Johnson gains a LOT of value, since he becomes Tenn's main playmaker. I predict he will be on the field for about 75% of thier offensive plays (if you include returns as offensive plays) If They are smart, the will use him out of the backfield with White in two back sets and design plays to get him in space similar to the way NO used Bush before Deuce got hurt.

Kevin Smith is the guy who gains the most - as he will become the bell-cow back for Detroit. Those of us who felt he was under-rated are really gonna like this situation.

Matt Forte may (I hope) beat out Benson but he will share carries with OAP (other Adrian Peterson) even if he does, IMO. I think the Bears made a huge blunder not taking Ray Rice, who I believe has much greater upside than Forte.

In Dynasty, Julius Jones gains value now, along with the old guys, T. Jones and E. James.

You have to be high on Pierre Thomas if he is still available in Dynasty or deep Keeper leagues.

 
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I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%. :pickle:
no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.
I say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.
 
You have to be high on Pierre Thomas if he is still available in Dynasty or deep Keeper leagues.
:goodposting: I think it was a huge vote of confidance in P.Thomas becuase NO has no idea how effective Deuce is going to be coming off 2 knee surgeries
 
I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%. :goodposting:
no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.
I say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.
I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pick
 
I don't know if this has been covered yet. I admit I am too lazy to read this whole post....

I thought the RB that came out of the draft as the big winner was T Jones. The Jets buit him a nice line in the offseason and I did not catch them doing much to change their backfield this time around. T Jones moves up on my charts, and possible above most all of the rookies.

 
I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%. :thumbup:
no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.
I say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.
I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pick
FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.
 
I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%. :thumbup:
no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.
I say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.
I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pick
FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.
Parker is probably at his best when getting 10-15 touches a game. He hasnt' had the burst or speed for the last couple years. I think Mendenhall makes Parker more effective as a change of pace back, and I do see the carries following a pattern similar to the Vikes last year. No, Mendenhall is not ADP. As a Steeler homer, let me tell you, Parker is no C.Taylor either. Taylor is better and I've been waiting for Parker's replacement to show up since before their SB win.
 
I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%. :thumbdown:
no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.
I say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.
I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pick
FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.
Parker is probably at his best when getting 10-15 touches a game. He hasnt' had the burst or speed for the last couple years. I think Mendenhall makes Parker more effective as a change of pace back, and I do see the carries following a pattern similar to the Vikes last year. No, Mendenhall is not ADP. As a Steeler homer, let me tell you, Parker is no C.Taylor either. Taylor is better and I've been waiting for Parker's replacement to show up since before their SB win.
Looking at this realistically, Davenport got 125 touches last year. Mendenhall is an improvement over Davenport and will get more touches. But Pittsburgh had over 500 rushing attempts last year and I do not see that going down much. It is going to make Pitt's offense much scarier and FF wise I don't think FWP is going to be much different from this year. He will have a slight cut in carries but better effectiveness. Beyond next year I see Mendenhall being more of an everydown back with a quicker back with better hands being brought in for the change of pace.
 
The one guy we haven't talked about yet and should be is Kevin Smith. The Lions are high on him, Matt Millen said as much and given the lack of RB talent on that roster, he could start right away.
Well, I've already got the 4th and 7th picks. Now I have to get the 5th too?
 
Marc Levin said:
And it starts . . . Not sure I can take 4 months of Denver RB talk in the Pool if we are just all going to say the EXACT same things hundreds - literally - of posters have already said.
Look buddy, I'm just responding to moderated slamming some guy.....for implying that Torain has value. It was a tool-ish move....and it smacks of massive denial.
A tool-ish move???I'm not slamming Torain personally. I'm slamming the fact that people are giving a 5th round pick WAY too much value at this point in time.Go look at the dynasty mock thread where numerous people have him going in the 1st round of their dynasty drafts. That is the definition of people losing their sanity be seeing DEN/RB together.What you call massive denial i call being realistic.Take a deep breath and calm down, then look at the situation with a clear head and you'll see what i'm saying.
:thumbdown:Looking at the list posted above, how many were top picks? I see two, Portis and Bell. Shanny does not care where the guy was drafted. I won't say anything else on the subject, but it won't surprise me at all if Torian starts relatively soon.
 
I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%. :thumbdown:
no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.
I say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.
I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pick
FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.
Parker is probably at his best when getting 10-15 touches a game. He hasnt' had the burst or speed for the last couple years. I think Mendenhall makes Parker more effective as a change of pace back, and I do see the carries following a pattern similar to the Vikes last year. No, Mendenhall is not ADP. As a Steeler homer, let me tell you, Parker is no C.Taylor either. Taylor is better and I've been waiting for Parker's replacement to show up since before their SB win.
Looking at this realistically, Davenport got 125 touches last year. Mendenhall is an improvement over Davenport and will get more touches. But Pittsburgh had over 500 rushing attempts last year and I do not see that going down much. It is going to make Pitt's offense much scarier and FF wise I don't think FWP is going to be much different from this year. He will have a slight cut in carries but better effectiveness. Beyond next year I see Mendenhall being more of an everydown back with a quicker back with better hands being brought in for the change of pace.
I'm seeing Mendenhall getting an increasing # of carries as the season progresses and would expect him and Parker to both finish with somewhere around 200 apiece. Ben gets his 20, Ward and other pass catchers get 5 or so and MeMo gets a significant chunk of 3rd down draws and such with the occasional Carey Davis run.Parker DID put the ball on the ground an alarming # of times late in the season (yes, several WERE in the monsoon game). I think RM gets the majority of garbage time carries before mid-season. He'll also be a better short-yardage back, and neither should be counted on as a #2 FF RB for this year. Parker will probably give you #1/#2 performance for the 1st 3 or 4 weeks, so sell as high as you now can if he turns in a big week 2 or 3 game.
 
I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%. :thumbdown:
no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.
I say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.
I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pick
FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.
Parker is probably at his best when getting 10-15 touches a game. He hasnt' had the burst or speed for the last couple years. I think Mendenhall makes Parker more effective as a change of pace back, and I do see the carries following a pattern similar to the Vikes last year. No, Mendenhall is not ADP. As a Steeler homer, let me tell you, Parker is no C.Taylor either. Taylor is better and I've been waiting for Parker's replacement to show up since before their SB win.
Looking at this realistically, Davenport got 125 touches last year. Mendenhall is an improvement over Davenport and will get more touches. But Pittsburgh had over 500 rushing attempts last year and I do not see that going down much. It is going to make Pitt's offense much scarier and FF wise I don't think FWP is going to be much different from this year. He will have a slight cut in carries but better effectiveness. Beyond next year I see Mendenhall being more of an everydown back with a quicker back with better hands being brought in for the change of pace.
I'm seeing Mendenhall getting an increasing # of carries as the season progresses and would expect him and Parker to both finish with somewhere around 200 apiece. Ben gets his 20, Ward and other pass catchers get 5 or so and MeMo gets a significant chunk of 3rd down draws and such with the occasional Carey Davis run.Parker DID put the ball on the ground an alarming # of times late in the season (yes, several WERE in the monsoon game). I think RM gets the majority of garbage time carries before mid-season. He'll also be a better short-yardage back, and neither should be counted on as a #2 FF RB for this year. Parker will probably give you #1/#2 performance for the 1st 3 or 4 weeks, so sell as high as you now can if he turns in a big week 2 or 3 game.
I don't see the split being as extreme, but I can agree with the general trend. Being in a league that doesn't like to trade I know I can't get anything for him. I don't think Mendenhall will take over that quickly I haven't heard the best things about his work ethic.
 
Posted in the Texans thread, but this is worth noting

Head coach Gary Kubiak

(on where RB Steve Slaton is going to fit in) “We see him as kind of a change up kind of guy. He’s got home run ability as far as his speed. He makes a lot of big plays. There’s a place in the National Football League right now for what people describe as third down backs, guys that can catch the ball out of the backfield do those types of things. So, he’s got that dimension. He’s a very smart young man. This kid had 1,700 yards two years ago in a playing very good football. We know he’s a great kid and we know he’ll catch up with us real fast as far as what we do. We just think he gives us a little bit of a speed element that we may have been missing

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4291

 
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Michael J Fox said:
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Michael J Fox said:
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Christo said:
happy maroney owner here. So far.
Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.
i agree, but your going to find a bunch of people who try to talk up the 5th rounder Torain.Personally i wouldn't fear a 5th rounder at all, but many people see Denver/RB and lose their sanity regardless of how late the guy was drafted. Not to mention Torain is coming off one of the worst possible injuries a RB can have, the dreaded LisFranc injury.
LOL. Shanahan has proven that he doesn't care who is in the backfield, he's always looking for a new starter. (unless he has T Davis) NFL.com had an analysis of Torain -- his NFL comparison....Mike Anderson. They touted him as a classic one-cut RB. Hmmm...where would he fit? Oh yeah, Denver.
As i said above."many people see Denver/RB and lose their sanity regardless of how late the guy was drafted."
Look, I'm not saying "draft Torain in the 1st round of rookie drafts". But it's ridiculous to suggest that he doesn't have value. Shanahan looks to replace his RB every year. Do you dispute that? His track record makes it patently obvious.Notice a pattern below?

2007 Rushing Leaders

Travis Henry - 167 carries, 691 yds, 4 TDs

Selvin Young - 140 carries, 729 yds, 1 TD

2006 Rushing Leaders

Tatum Bell - 233 carries, 1,025 yds, 2 TDs

Mike Bell - 157 carries, 677 yds, 8 TDs

2005 Rushing Leaders

Mike Anderson - 239 carries, 1014 yds, 12 TDs

Tatum Bell - 173 carries, 921 yds, 8 TDs

2004 Rushing Leaders

Reuben Droughns - 275 carries, 1240 yds, 6 TDs

Quentin Griffin - 85 carries, 311 yds, 2 TDs

2003 Rushing Leaders

Clinton Portis - 290 carries, 1591 yds, 14 TDs

Quentin Griffin - 94 carries, 345 yds, 0 TDs
I'm not saying Torain has no shot, but he's a complete shot in the dark.

Let me ask you this, what are the odds you think he'll have > 50 carries this coming season?

My estimate would be around 5%, especially since he's coming off a LisFranc injury. I'd assume many people lose all logic when seeing DEN/RB together and believe that percentage to be much higher.

All i'm saying is that his perceived value will be FAR greater than what his actual value should be at this point in time. He's not even a lock to make the roster.
:shrug: Selvin Young was an undrafted FA last year. He got 175 touches on that team.
 
moderated said:
Let me ask you this, what are the odds you think he'll have > 50 carries this coming season?My estimate would be around 5%, especially since he's coming off a LisFranc injury. I'd assume many people lose all logic when seeing DEN/RB together and believe that percentage to be much higher.All i'm saying is that his perceived value will be FAR greater than what his actual value should be at this point in time. He's not even a lock to make the roster.
:shrug: Selvin Young was an undrafted FA last year. He got 175 touches on that team.
This type of logic has no place in the Shark Pool.
 
moderated said:
Michael J Fox said:
moderated said:
Michael J Fox said:
moderated said:
Christo said:
happy maroney owner here. So far.
Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.
i agree, but your going to find a bunch of people who try to talk up the 5th rounder Torain.Personally i wouldn't fear a 5th rounder at all, but many people see Denver/RB and lose their sanity regardless of how late the guy was drafted. Not to mention Torain is coming off one of the worst possible injuries a RB can have, the dreaded LisFranc injury.
LOL. Shanahan has proven that he doesn't care who is in the backfield, he's always looking for a new starter. (unless he has T Davis) NFL.com had an analysis of Torain -- his NFL comparison....Mike Anderson. They touted him as a classic one-cut RB. Hmmm...where would he fit? Oh yeah, Denver.
As i said above."many people see Denver/RB and lose their sanity regardless of how late the guy was drafted."
Look, I'm not saying "draft Torain in the 1st round of rookie drafts". But it's ridiculous to suggest that he doesn't have value. Shanahan looks to replace his RB every year. Do you dispute that? His track record makes it patently obvious.Notice a pattern below?

2007 Rushing Leaders

Travis Henry - 167 carries, 691 yds, 4 TDs

Selvin Young - 140 carries, 729 yds, 1 TD

2006 Rushing Leaders

Tatum Bell - 233 carries, 1,025 yds, 2 TDs

Mike Bell - 157 carries, 677 yds, 8 TDs

2005 Rushing Leaders

Mike Anderson - 239 carries, 1014 yds, 12 TDs

Tatum Bell - 173 carries, 921 yds, 8 TDs

2004 Rushing Leaders

Reuben Droughns - 275 carries, 1240 yds, 6 TDs

Quentin Griffin - 85 carries, 311 yds, 2 TDs

2003 Rushing Leaders

Clinton Portis - 290 carries, 1591 yds, 14 TDs

Quentin Griffin - 94 carries, 345 yds, 0 TDs
I'm not saying Torain has no shot, but he's a complete shot in the dark.

Let me ask you this, what are the odds you think he'll have > 50 carries this coming season?

My estimate would be around 5%, especially since he's coming off a LisFranc injury. I'd assume many people lose all logic when seeing DEN/RB together and believe that percentage to be much higher.

All i'm saying is that his perceived value will be FAR greater than what his actual value should be at this point in time. He's not even a lock to make the roster.
:shrug: Selvin Young was an undrafted FA last year. He got 175 touches on that team.
Yes he did, but that's after the fact.Based on how the situation stands NOW, what do you think the odds of Torain getting > 50 carries is?

 
As an aside, I think that Cincy not grabbing one of the higher prospects says a lot about Kenny Irons.
I'm not so sure it has much to do with Irons, since they already have Rudi and Watson there. It could be more a show of faith in Rudi as the main guy for one more year.
 
As an aside, I think that Cincy not grabbing one of the higher prospects says a lot about Kenny Irons.
Or Chris Perry. :lmao:
:thumbdown: I know how he's always injured, but all jokes aside, he's the most talented RB on the team.
I just don't get why so many people are just writing off Rudi after one injury-plagued season. I think he will come back and have a great season. I know Irons and Watson are there, but Rudi has been very consistent up to last year when the injuries knocked him down.

I think the rookie RB's will be drafted like this in my dynasty league:

DMac

Mendenhall

Stewart

K.Smith

Slaton

F.Jones

Forte

C.Johnson

In my league I'm sitting at 7 and 10, so I'm not so sure I'd grab a guy like Forte with the top WR or QB still on the board. I'm at just the spot where the drop off is biggest IMO.

 
I don't see the split being as extreme, but I can agree with the general trend. Being in a league that doesn't like to trade I know I can't get anything for him. I don't think Mendenhall will take over that quickly I haven't heard the best things about his work ethic.
:nerd:I think Parker will get his carries, but that Mendenhall could see a tremendous increase in workload over the last 4-6 games.Right around the FF playoffs.A great player to stash in deep roster leagues.
 
I don't see the split being as extreme, but I can agree with the general trend. Being in a league that doesn't like to trade I know I can't get anything for him. I don't think Mendenhall will take over that quickly I haven't heard the best things about his work ethic.
:2cents:I think Parker will get his carries, but that Mendenhall could see a tremendous increase in workload over the last 4-6 games.Right around the FF playoffs.A great player to stash in deep roster leagues.
Are you ever going to rank your rookies in the RB rankings? You can't really think they will all fall out of the top 50 do you?
 
MCguidance said:
happy maroney owner here. So far.
Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.
I drank that cool aid last year, I feel your pain. Guy is a disaster.
I traded him for Marvin Harrison two weeks before he was cut. :lmao:
i traded Henry for the #2 rookie pick about a month before he was cut :lmao:
Can't . . . help . . . self . . . but . . . I . . . have . . . to . . . do . . . it.Did your little sister cry when she realized what she'd done?
 
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MCguidance said:
happy maroney owner here. So far.
Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.
I drank that cool aid last year, I feel your pain. Guy is a disaster.
I traded him for Marvin Harrison two weeks before he was cut. :bag:
i traded Henry for the #2 rookie pick about a month before he was cut :boxing:
Can't . . . help . . . self . . . but . . . I . . . have . . . to . . . do . . . it.Did your little sister cry when she realized what she'd done?
like poker take advantage of the bad players :wall: :lmao: all leagues have them
 
MCguidance said:
happy maroney owner here. So far.
Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.
I drank that cool aid last year, I feel your pain. Guy is a disaster.
I traded him for Marvin Harrison two weeks before he was cut. :confused:
i traded Henry for the #2 rookie pick about a month before he was cut :lmao:
Can't . . . help . . . self . . . but . . . I . . . have . . . to . . . do . . . it.Did your little sister cry when she realized what she'd done?
like poker take advantage of the bad players ;) :P all leagues have them
Even good players make a bad trade every now and then. If they say they don't, they're lying.
 

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