Wildman said:McGahee has never played 16 games.
I am done with the Denver RB headache. I traded away Henry in both of my dynasty leagues. I do not think Denver is the great run team they use to be.Marc Levin said:And it starts . . . Not sure I can take 4 months of Denver RB talk in the Pool if we are just all going to say the EXACT same things hundreds - literally - of posters have already said.
In all seriousness, that is the ideal spot for him, and I always expected him to be either a Colt or a Patriot (smart, hard-working, limited physical ability). Obviously not a first round rookie pick, but could win the backup job.Mike Hart top 5 rookie pickjaykay...![]()
no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%.![]()
I say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%.![]()
You have to be high on Pierre Thomas if he is still available in Dynasty or deep Keeper leagues.
I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pickI say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%.![]()
FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pickI say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%.![]()
Parker is probably at his best when getting 10-15 touches a game. He hasnt' had the burst or speed for the last couple years. I think Mendenhall makes Parker more effective as a change of pace back, and I do see the carries following a pattern similar to the Vikes last year. No, Mendenhall is not ADP. As a Steeler homer, let me tell you, Parker is no C.Taylor either. Taylor is better and I've been waiting for Parker's replacement to show up since before their SB win.FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pickI say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%.![]()
Or Chris Perry.As an aside, I think that Cincy not grabbing one of the higher prospects says a lot about Kenny Irons.
Looking at this realistically, Davenport got 125 touches last year. Mendenhall is an improvement over Davenport and will get more touches. But Pittsburgh had over 500 rushing attempts last year and I do not see that going down much. It is going to make Pitt's offense much scarier and FF wise I don't think FWP is going to be much different from this year. He will have a slight cut in carries but better effectiveness. Beyond next year I see Mendenhall being more of an everydown back with a quicker back with better hands being brought in for the change of pace.Parker is probably at his best when getting 10-15 touches a game. He hasnt' had the burst or speed for the last couple years. I think Mendenhall makes Parker more effective as a change of pace back, and I do see the carries following a pattern similar to the Vikes last year. No, Mendenhall is not ADP. As a Steeler homer, let me tell you, Parker is no C.Taylor either. Taylor is better and I've been waiting for Parker's replacement to show up since before their SB win.FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pickI say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%.![]()
Well, I've already got the 4th and 7th picks. Now I have to get the 5th too?The one guy we haven't talked about yet and should be is Kevin Smith. The Lions are high on him, Matt Millen said as much and given the lack of RB talent on that roster, he could start right away.
A tool-ish move???I'm not slamming Torain personally. I'm slamming the fact that people are giving a 5th round pick WAY too much value at this point in time.Go look at the dynasty mock thread where numerous people have him going in the 1st round of their dynasty drafts. That is the definition of people losing their sanity be seeing DEN/RB together.What you call massive denial i call being realistic.Take a deep breath and calm down, then look at the situation with a clear head and you'll see what i'm saying.Look buddy, I'm just responding to moderated slamming some guy.....for implying that Torain has value. It was a tool-ish move....and it smacks of massive denial.Marc Levin said:And it starts . . . Not sure I can take 4 months of Denver RB talk in the Pool if we are just all going to say the EXACT same things hundreds - literally - of posters have already said.
I'm seeing Mendenhall getting an increasing # of carries as the season progresses and would expect him and Parker to both finish with somewhere around 200 apiece. Ben gets his 20, Ward and other pass catchers get 5 or so and MeMo gets a significant chunk of 3rd down draws and such with the occasional Carey Davis run.Parker DID put the ball on the ground an alarming # of times late in the season (yes, several WERE in the monsoon game). I think RM gets the majority of garbage time carries before mid-season. He'll also be a better short-yardage back, and neither should be counted on as a #2 FF RB for this year. Parker will probably give you #1/#2 performance for the 1st 3 or 4 weeks, so sell as high as you now can if he turns in a big week 2 or 3 game.Looking at this realistically, Davenport got 125 touches last year. Mendenhall is an improvement over Davenport and will get more touches. But Pittsburgh had over 500 rushing attempts last year and I do not see that going down much. It is going to make Pitt's offense much scarier and FF wise I don't think FWP is going to be much different from this year. He will have a slight cut in carries but better effectiveness. Beyond next year I see Mendenhall being more of an everydown back with a quicker back with better hands being brought in for the change of pace.Parker is probably at his best when getting 10-15 touches a game. He hasnt' had the burst or speed for the last couple years. I think Mendenhall makes Parker more effective as a change of pace back, and I do see the carries following a pattern similar to the Vikes last year. No, Mendenhall is not ADP. As a Steeler homer, let me tell you, Parker is no C.Taylor either. Taylor is better and I've been waiting for Parker's replacement to show up since before their SB win.FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pickI say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%.![]()
I don't see the split being as extreme, but I can agree with the general trend. Being in a league that doesn't like to trade I know I can't get anything for him. I don't think Mendenhall will take over that quickly I haven't heard the best things about his work ethic.I'm seeing Mendenhall getting an increasing # of carries as the season progresses and would expect him and Parker to both finish with somewhere around 200 apiece. Ben gets his 20, Ward and other pass catchers get 5 or so and MeMo gets a significant chunk of 3rd down draws and such with the occasional Carey Davis run.Parker DID put the ball on the ground an alarming # of times late in the season (yes, several WERE in the monsoon game). I think RM gets the majority of garbage time carries before mid-season. He'll also be a better short-yardage back, and neither should be counted on as a #2 FF RB for this year. Parker will probably give you #1/#2 performance for the 1st 3 or 4 weeks, so sell as high as you now can if he turns in a big week 2 or 3 game.Looking at this realistically, Davenport got 125 touches last year. Mendenhall is an improvement over Davenport and will get more touches. But Pittsburgh had over 500 rushing attempts last year and I do not see that going down much. It is going to make Pitt's offense much scarier and FF wise I don't think FWP is going to be much different from this year. He will have a slight cut in carries but better effectiveness. Beyond next year I see Mendenhall being more of an everydown back with a quicker back with better hands being brought in for the change of pace.Parker is probably at his best when getting 10-15 touches a game. He hasnt' had the burst or speed for the last couple years. I think Mendenhall makes Parker more effective as a change of pace back, and I do see the carries following a pattern similar to the Vikes last year. No, Mendenhall is not ADP. As a Steeler homer, let me tell you, Parker is no C.Taylor either. Taylor is better and I've been waiting for Parker's replacement to show up since before their SB win.FWP is much more talented than Taylor, and Mendenhall is no where near the RB that Peterson is. Still, as a Deangelo Williams and Parker owner it couldn't have been a worse draft.I think it will be similar to what happened to Chester Taylor. Parker and Mendenhall will split carries with Mendenhall winning the starting job by the end of the season. The problem with Parker is that he was already in danger of losing touches to Davenport in short yardage and GL situations, also there was talk of Moore being on the field for passing downs. Owners were already trying to sell him because of this, and that was before the Mendenhall pickI say no worse than 70-30 split. This is still Willie's team and Mendenhall will likely be used as a 3rd down, pound the ball in the 4th quarter kind of back. When Bettis was around, Willie still excelled. I don't see that changing unless Mendenhall seriously outplays Willie which I just don't see happening. Now if he doesn't come back fully healed, all bets are off.no, the downside is Pitt turns into a full blown RBBC and Parker loses a decent % of his touches.I would happily draft Willie Parker. The only downside is if he somehow doesn't come back at 100%.![]()
moderated said:I'm not saying Torain has no shot, but he's a complete shot in the dark.Michael J Fox said:Look, I'm not saying "draft Torain in the 1st round of rookie drafts". But it's ridiculous to suggest that he doesn't have value. Shanahan looks to replace his RB every year. Do you dispute that? His track record makes it patently obvious.Notice a pattern below?moderated said:As i said above."many people see Denver/RB and lose their sanity regardless of how late the guy was drafted."Michael J Fox said:LOL. Shanahan has proven that he doesn't care who is in the backfield, he's always looking for a new starter. (unless he has T Davis) NFL.com had an analysis of Torain -- his NFL comparison....Mike Anderson. They touted him as a classic one-cut RB. Hmmm...where would he fit? Oh yeah, Denver.moderated said:i agree, but your going to find a bunch of people who try to talk up the 5th rounder Torain.Personally i wouldn't fear a 5th rounder at all, but many people see Denver/RB and lose their sanity regardless of how late the guy was drafted. Not to mention Torain is coming off one of the worst possible injuries a RB can have, the dreaded LisFranc injury.Christo said:Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.happy maroney owner here. So far.
2007 Rushing Leaders
Travis Henry - 167 carries, 691 yds, 4 TDs
Selvin Young - 140 carries, 729 yds, 1 TD
2006 Rushing Leaders
Tatum Bell - 233 carries, 1,025 yds, 2 TDs
Mike Bell - 157 carries, 677 yds, 8 TDs
2005 Rushing Leaders
Mike Anderson - 239 carries, 1014 yds, 12 TDs
Tatum Bell - 173 carries, 921 yds, 8 TDs
2004 Rushing Leaders
Reuben Droughns - 275 carries, 1240 yds, 6 TDs
Quentin Griffin - 85 carries, 311 yds, 2 TDs
2003 Rushing Leaders
Clinton Portis - 290 carries, 1591 yds, 14 TDs
Quentin Griffin - 94 carries, 345 yds, 0 TDs
Let me ask you this, what are the odds you think he'll have > 50 carries this coming season?
My estimate would be around 5%, especially since he's coming off a LisFranc injury. I'd assume many people lose all logic when seeing DEN/RB together and believe that percentage to be much higher.
All i'm saying is that his perceived value will be FAR greater than what his actual value should be at this point in time. He's not even a lock to make the roster.
This type of logic has no place in the Shark Pool.moderated said:Let me ask you this, what are the odds you think he'll have > 50 carries this coming season?My estimate would be around 5%, especially since he's coming off a LisFranc injury. I'd assume many people lose all logic when seeing DEN/RB together and believe that percentage to be much higher.All i'm saying is that his perceived value will be FAR greater than what his actual value should be at this point in time. He's not even a lock to make the roster.Selvin Young was an undrafted FA last year. He got 175 touches on that team.
Yes he did, but that's after the fact.Based on how the situation stands NOW, what do you think the odds of Torain getting > 50 carries is?moderated said:I'm not saying Torain has no shot, but he's a complete shot in the dark.Michael J Fox said:Look, I'm not saying "draft Torain in the 1st round of rookie drafts". But it's ridiculous to suggest that he doesn't have value. Shanahan looks to replace his RB every year. Do you dispute that? His track record makes it patently obvious.Notice a pattern below?moderated said:As i said above."many people see Denver/RB and lose their sanity regardless of how late the guy was drafted."Michael J Fox said:LOL. Shanahan has proven that he doesn't care who is in the backfield, he's always looking for a new starter. (unless he has T Davis) NFL.com had an analysis of Torain -- his NFL comparison....Mike Anderson. They touted him as a classic one-cut RB. Hmmm...where would he fit? Oh yeah, Denver.moderated said:i agree, but your going to find a bunch of people who try to talk up the 5th rounder Torain.Personally i wouldn't fear a 5th rounder at all, but many people see Denver/RB and lose their sanity regardless of how late the guy was drafted. Not to mention Torain is coming off one of the worst possible injuries a RB can have, the dreaded LisFranc injury.Christo said:Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.happy maroney owner here. So far.
2007 Rushing Leaders
Travis Henry - 167 carries, 691 yds, 4 TDs
Selvin Young - 140 carries, 729 yds, 1 TD
2006 Rushing Leaders
Tatum Bell - 233 carries, 1,025 yds, 2 TDs
Mike Bell - 157 carries, 677 yds, 8 TDs
2005 Rushing Leaders
Mike Anderson - 239 carries, 1014 yds, 12 TDs
Tatum Bell - 173 carries, 921 yds, 8 TDs
2004 Rushing Leaders
Reuben Droughns - 275 carries, 1240 yds, 6 TDs
Quentin Griffin - 85 carries, 311 yds, 2 TDs
2003 Rushing Leaders
Clinton Portis - 290 carries, 1591 yds, 14 TDs
Quentin Griffin - 94 carries, 345 yds, 0 TDs
Let me ask you this, what are the odds you think he'll have > 50 carries this coming season?
My estimate would be around 5%, especially since he's coming off a LisFranc injury. I'd assume many people lose all logic when seeing DEN/RB together and believe that percentage to be much higher.
All i'm saying is that his perceived value will be FAR greater than what his actual value should be at this point in time. He's not even a lock to make the roster.Selvin Young was an undrafted FA last year. He got 175 touches on that team.
Or Chris Perry.As an aside, I think that Cincy not grabbing one of the higher prospects says a lot about Kenny Irons.![]()
Hart should be a good fit with Indy, and be a nice safe backup for Addai.
One thing Hart probably does better than most rookie RBs is block. That will allow him to get on the field once in awhile I think.Hart should be a good fit with Indy, and be a nice safe backup for Addai.![]()
I'm not so sure it has much to do with Irons, since they already have Rudi and Watson there. It could be more a show of faith in Rudi as the main guy for one more year.As an aside, I think that Cincy not grabbing one of the higher prospects says a lot about Kenny Irons.
I just don't get why so many people are just writing off Rudi after one injury-plagued season. I think he will come back and have a great season. I know Irons and Watson are there, but Rudi has been very consistent up to last year when the injuries knocked him down.Or Chris Perry.As an aside, I think that Cincy not grabbing one of the higher prospects says a lot about Kenny Irons.![]()
I know how he's always injured, but all jokes aside, he's the most talented RB on the team.
I don't see the split being as extreme, but I can agree with the general trend. Being in a league that doesn't like to trade I know I can't get anything for him. I don't think Mendenhall will take over that quickly I haven't heard the best things about his work ethic.
Are you ever going to rank your rookies in the RB rankings? You can't really think they will all fall out of the top 50 do you?I don't see the split being as extreme, but I can agree with the general trend. Being in a league that doesn't like to trade I know I can't get anything for him. I don't think Mendenhall will take over that quickly I haven't heard the best things about his work ethic.I think Parker will get his carries, but that Mendenhall could see a tremendous increase in workload over the last 4-6 games.Right around the FF playoffs.A great player to stash in deep roster leagues.
I drank that cool aid last year, I feel your pain. Guy is a disaster.Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.happy maroney owner here. So far.
I traded him for Marvin Harrison two weeks before he was cut.MCguidance said:I drank that cool aid last year, I feel your pain. Guy is a disaster.Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.happy maroney owner here. So far.
i traded Henry for the #2 rookie pick about a month before he was cutI traded him for Marvin Harrison two weeks before he was cut.MCguidance said:I drank that cool aid last year, I feel your pain. Guy is a disaster.Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.happy maroney owner here. So far.![]()
Can't . . . help . . . self . . . but . . . I . . . have . . . to . . . do . . . it.Did your little sister cry when she realized what she'd done?i traded Henry for the #2 rookie pick about a month before he was cutI traded him for Marvin Harrison two weeks before he was cut.MCguidance said:I drank that cool aid last year, I feel your pain. Guy is a disaster.Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.happy maroney owner here. So far.![]()
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like poker take advantage of the bad playersCan't . . . help . . . self . . . but . . . I . . . have . . . to . . . do . . . it.Did your little sister cry when she realized what she'd done?i traded Henry for the #2 rookie pick about a month before he was cutI traded him for Marvin Harrison two weeks before he was cut.MCguidance said:I drank that cool aid last year, I feel your pain. Guy is a disaster.Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.happy maroney owner here. So far.![]()
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Even good players make a bad trade every now and then. If they say they don't, they're lying.like poker take advantage of the bad playersCan't . . . help . . . self . . . but . . . I . . . have . . . to . . . do . . . it.Did your little sister cry when she realized what she'd done?i traded Henry for the #2 rookie pick about a month before he was cutI traded him for Marvin Harrison two weeks before he was cut.MCguidance said:I drank that cool aid last year, I feel your pain. Guy is a disaster.Amazingly, I think I can say that I'm a happy Travis Henry owner.happy maroney owner here. So far.![]()
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