I know, he won't take any negative comment about Addai. Like last week when I told him Addai looked fragile and was to hurt to play against TB and he kept saying how untrue that was and referencing Dungy's coachspeak that Addai could have went back in against Denver.Switz has lots of manlove for Addaihis thought process which is generally good is clouded by this.
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switz
Footballguy
You should know better than to discount my opinions as homerism or man-love. I'm as objective as they come when it comes to players, I just am very strong in presenting my point of view. That can be good, it can be bad, but it doesn't make my opinion wrong (although there are times I have been wrong).MJD quite simply is NOT as talented as Addai, there's not even an argument about it. Is MJD flashier? Yes, by 1000%. But he's not as talented - there is a lot more to being a talented RB than running flashy. Addai is better at every mental part of the game, as evidenced by watching the two players run. Addai is a better blocker, he reads the blitz better. He's a better receiver, and runs better routes.In terms of pure running, MJD is better, he's got a lower center of gravity, and better balance. But Addai is overall a more talented RB, because there is more to the position than just running the ball.And FYI, I don't think they are that far apart - but I do think it's enough to say that Addai is clearly the more talented RB.Switz has lots of manlove for Addaihis thought process which is generally good is clouded by this.
switz
Footballguy
And so you're saying that resting him for an easily winnable game (along with what 4 other Colts) means he was too hurt? Or is it because it was an easily winnable game that was the week before the BYE, and so Dungy rested his players.I know, he won't take any negative comment about Addai. Like last week when I told him Addai looked fragile and was to hurt to play against TB and he kept saying how untrue that was and referencing Dungy's coachspeak that Addai could have went back in against Denver.Switz has lots of manlove for Addaihis thought process which is generally good is clouded by this.
If he was healthy he would have played and if you would get off Addai's tip long enough you'd know that.And so you're saying that resting him for an easily winnable game (along with what 4 other Colts) means he was too hurt? Or is it because it was an easily winnable game that was the week before the BYE, and so Dungy rested his players.I know, he won't take any negative comment about Addai. Like last week when I told him Addai looked fragile and was to hurt to play against TB and he kept saying how untrue that was and referencing Dungy's coachspeak that Addai could have went back in against Denver.Switz has lots of manlove for Addaihis thought process which is generally good is clouded by this.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
If he was healthy he would have played and if you would get off Addai's tip long enough you'd know that.And so you're saying that resting him for an easily winnable game (along with what 4 other Colts) means he was too hurt? Or is it because it was an easily winnable game that was the week before the BYE, and so Dungy rested his players.I know, he won't take any negative comment about Addai. Like last week when I told him Addai looked fragile and was to hurt to play against TB and he kept saying how untrue that was and referencing Dungy's coachspeak that Addai could have went back in against Denver.Switz has lots of manlove for Addai
switz
Footballguy
Gotta a question - why is when people can't come up with a good enough counter argument, they resort to cheap oral-sex comments? Personally, I'm sick of the "suckt it", "on his tip", "on your knees" schtick on this board. It's juvenile and unnecessary.If you can't form an adequate counter-argument, then don't bother posting.If he was healthy he would have played and if you would get off Addai's tip long enough you'd know that.And so you're saying that resting him for an easily winnable game (along with what 4 other Colts) means he was too hurt? Or is it because it was an easily winnable game that was the week before the BYE, and so Dungy rested his players.I know, he won't take any negative comment about Addai. Like last week when I told him Addai looked fragile and was to hurt to play against TB and he kept saying how untrue that was and referencing Dungy's coachspeak that Addai could have went back in against Denver.Switz has lots of manlove for Addai
Fact is the Colts are KNOWN to rest players, and it's trendy in the NFL right now for hurting players to be rested the week before the BYE, to make them fresher for the rest of the season. So for you to say categorically that Addai didn't play because he was too injured, and not because Dungy decided to rest his hurting players is wrong. You really don't know. Addai may have been well enough to play, and I bet if it was a playoff game, he would have played. But they didn't need him. As was clear by the outcome of the game.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...1089&spln=1
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Fantasy Fix Fred
Footballguy
The colts also settled for addai in the draft they really wanted maroney but NE took him, FWIW.Switz has lots of manlove for Addai
switz
Footballguy
Is this Eagle Eye? Funny... Actually that's just a rumor, totally unfounded. I think it was actually just a Pats jab at the Colts.Polian had said the day of the draft that the night previously they had whittled their list down to Addai, then MJD (which BTW speaks that they are very close in talent IMO).The colts also settled for addai in the draft they really wanted maroney but NE took him, FWIW.Switz has lots of manlove for Addai
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
The fact is you really don't know either and you are guessing just like the other guy.
switz
Footballguy
I agree 100%The fact is you really don't know either and you are guessing just like the other guy.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Although your senario is more likelyI agree 100%The fact is you really don't know either and you are guessing just like the other guy.
Fantasy Fix Fred
Footballguy
Switz, do you own Keith as a handcuff ? Just curious...Is this Eagle Eye? Funny... Actually that's just a rumor, totally unfounded. I think it was actually just a Pats jab at the Colts.Polian had said the day of the draft that the night previously they had whittled their list down to Addai, then MJD (which BTW speaks that they are very close in talent IMO).The colts also settled for addai in the draft they really wanted maroney but NE took him, FWIW.Switz has lots of manlove for Addaihis thought process which is generally good is clouded by this.
switz
Footballguy
I do, but I only grabbed him this week. I'm not sure I'll need him, but it's better to be safe than sorry.Switz, do you own Keith as a handcuff ? Just curious...Is this Eagle Eye? Funny... Actually that's just a rumor, totally unfounded. I think it was actually just a Pats jab at the Colts.Polian had said the day of the draft that the night previously they had whittled their list down to Addai, then MJD (which BTW speaks that they are very close in talent IMO).The colts also settled for addai in the draft they really wanted maroney but NE took him, FWIW.Switz has lots of manlove for Addaihis thought process which is generally good is clouded by this.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
This week? He was the most added FA last week and unless he slipped by your league he should have been taken by the owner first in the waiver order. Sounds like you lucked out to be able to have "only grabbed him this week".I do, but I only grabbed him this week. I'm not sure I'll need him, but it's better to be safe than sorry.Switz, do you own Keith as a handcuff ? Just curious...Is this Eagle Eye? Funny... Actually that's just a rumor, totally unfounded. I think it was actually just a Pats jab at the Colts.Polian had said the day of the draft that the night previously they had whittled their list down to Addai, then MJD (which BTW speaks that they are very close in talent IMO).The colts also settled for addai in the draft they really wanted maroney but NE took him, FWIW.Switz has lots of manlove for Addai
Fantasy Fix Fred
Footballguy
good move hes definately worth the roster spot..I do, but I only grabbed him this week. I'm not sure I'll need him, but it's better to be safe than sorry.Switz, do you own Keith as a handcuff ? Just curious...Is this Eagle Eye? Funny... Actually that's just a rumor, totally unfounded. I think it was actually just a Pats jab at the Colts.Polian had said the day of the draft that the night previously they had whittled their list down to Addai, then MJD (which BTW speaks that they are very close in talent IMO).The colts also settled for addai in the draft they really wanted maroney but NE took him, FWIW.Switz has lots of manlove for Addai
switz
Footballguy
I did luck out, without a doubt. I play in a dynasty league with very short rosters (as opposed to very deep rosters) and most guys don't waste roster spots on guys who aren't going to play much. I had to waive Laurent Robinson earlier, a great prospect, but I simply didn't have enough room on my roster.This week? He was the most added FA last week and unless he slipped by your league he should have been taken by the owner first in the waiver order. Sounds like you lucked out to be able to have "only grabbed him this week".I do, but I only grabbed him this week. I'm not sure I'll need him, but it's better to be safe than sorry.Switz, do you own Keith as a handcuff ? Just curious...Is this Eagle Eye? Funny... Actually that's just a rumor, totally unfounded. I think it was actually just a Pats jab at the Colts.Polian had said the day of the draft that the night previously they had whittled their list down to Addai, then MJD (which BTW speaks that they are very close in talent IMO).The colts also settled for addai in the draft they really wanted maroney but NE took him, FWIW.Switz has lots of manlove for Addai
duaneok66
Footballguy
Switz, why do you even bother???We've all done this dance all summer, yet people are still in denial . . .when you A) resign an aging backandB) keep that aging back in as a starteryou are saying that the backup is not ready to be the workhorse . . .Too bad that's not what the coach said before the season started.You can say what you want, it doesn't make it true.I'd disagree and say it was because Dungy felt comfortable with Rhodes the same way Del Rio feels comfortable with Taylor.Rookie learning a complex offense, with Dungy wanting protect the franchise QB.What was the reason Addai did not start last year?Anyone who says this is just crazy... If MJD were more talented than Addai he'd be the starting back in JAX... or at least getting more touches. There's a reason he isn't - deal with it.I think MJD is better as well.LOL at the suggestion that MJD is better than Addai.I think MJD is better
AussieOyOyOy
Footballguy
I think Addai is an excellent RB. I really didn't see much of him at LSU. Just as a flippant opinion of a converted WR, I expected him to be a crazy athlete with limited rushing skills. I couldn't have been more wrong. Athletically, he's nothing special, by NFL standards. But he is a big-time runner. This kid has some serious vision and feel. He's not a home run threat whatsoever. But he glides, slides, fights and claws. He turns 1-yard plays into 5-yard plays on a consistent basis. He finishes every run very well. It's an easy comparison because of the team, but he has that same "get two inches off the ground and belly-crawl for that extra yard-and-a-half" that Edge does.
In my opinion, Addai is one of the best RBs in the NFL, real and fantasy.
In my opinion, Addai is one of the best RBs in the NFL, real and fantasy.
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switz
Footballguy
He also played QB in HS - he's got an excellent mind for the game.
There is nothing to argue or debate or argue here. Teams don't scratch their starting RB in week 5 if he's healthy enough to play. For you to say that is not worth debating and while I'm not trying to be insulting it's quite frankly an ignorant assertion. You argued all last week he was healthy and he was not. Now that it' obvious he was not healthy instead of admitting you were wrong you are grasping for straws saying he was well enough to play and we don't know if he was or not? You say we really don't know if he was well enough to play. Yes we do. The proof sits in front of you but you won't see it.Gotta a question - why is when people can't come up with a good enough counter argument, they resort to cheap oral-sex comments? Personally, I'm sick of the "suckt it", "on his tip", "on your knees" schtick on this board. It's juvenile and unnecessary.If he was healthy he would have played and if you would get off Addai's tip long enough you'd know that.And so you're saying that resting him for an easily winnable game (along with what 4 other Colts) means he was too hurt? Or is it because it was an easily winnable game that was the week before the BYE, and so Dungy rested his players.I know, he won't take any negative comment about Addai. Like last week when I told him Addai looked fragile and was to hurt to play against TB and he kept saying how untrue that was and referencing Dungy's coachspeak that Addai could have went back in against Denver.Switz has lots of manlove for Addai
If you can't form an adequate counter-argument, then don't bother posting.
Fact is the Colts are KNOWN to rest players, and it's trendy in the NFL right now for hurting players to be rested the week before the BYE, to make them fresher for the rest of the season. So for you to say categorically that Addai didn't play because he was too injured, and not because Dungy decided to rest his hurting players is wrong. You really don't know. Addai may have been well enough to play, and I bet if it was a playoff game, he would have played. But they didn't need him. As was clear by the outcome of the game.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...1089&spln=1
Dork Matter
Footballguy
Ahem. My first post in the forum. Be gentle with me... I already had Addai in a contract league last season. With two Yahoo redraft leagues this year, I took Addai with the 3rd pick in the 10-team, touchdown-heavy league, and with the 3rd pick in the 12-team, half-point-per-reception league. Both no-brainers for me (sorry, LJ fans). Here are the reasons:* High-scoring offense that was DYING for an every-down RB that could allow Manning to run the no-huddle with maximum effect;* Great offensive line;* The gradual increase in Addai's workload last year showed he was learning and gaining the coaches' confidence;* Manning's public vote of confidence in Addai during the offseason, and* Just plain watching the guy. He's a patient runner with great vision for the lanes, the smarts to take what's available and maneuver for extra yards, and the awareness to GET DOWN cleanly at the end of a run without taking a big hit. Apologies to the MJD fans, but the Fireplug never met a jarring hit he didn't like.In the first game this year against NO, this was all on display. No highlight-reel runs, just a steady stream of "Addai for 8 yards" and "Addai for 12 yards." Here's what I e-mailed to my brother after the game:
"Looked at the play-by-play for last night's game. I count 26 touches for Addai, of which 16 were successful according to FO's [Football Outsiders] metrics (40% of needed yards on first down, 60% on second down, 100% on 3rd or 4th down). Ten out of 14 touches in the first half for a 71% success rate. Six out of 12 in the second half for a 50% success rate, when they were shifting to Cover 1 and trying to stop the run. Addai had a 61.5% success rate overall. None of his catches or carries went for negative yards. Unbelievable."
That ability to move the chains on the ground is vital for Manning. If Addai can keep the ground game moving, Manning has the confidence to check to a run when the coverage favors it, or when he doesn't like what he sees when he had planned to pass. And that's the other reason Addai's so good...they have full confidence in him in all field situations, and so won't pull him except for rest.Just to wallow in the detail, here's Addai's workload from the NO game:1) 1-10, 4 yds, success2) 1-10, 1 yd 3) 3-1, 5 yds, success4) 1-10, 4 yds, success5) 1-10, 7 yds, success6) 2-3, 10 yds, success7) 1-10, 8 yds, success8) 2-2, 8 yds, success9) 2-10, 3 yds10) 1-10, 5 yds, success11) 1-10, 2 yds12) 1-10, 14 yds, success13) 1-10, 12 yds, success14) 2-10, 5 ydssecond half:15) 1-10, 1 yds16) 2-9, 9 yds, success17) 1-10, 2 yds18) 2-8, 1 yd19) 2-2, 2 yds, TD, success20) 1-10, 7 yds, success21) 2-3, 15 yds, success22) 1-10, 3 yds23) 1-10, 3 yds24) 2-7, 5 yds, success25) 1-10, 6 yds, success26) 1-10, 3 ydsBTW, any RB that gets 26 touches a game gets my vote!
"Looked at the play-by-play for last night's game. I count 26 touches for Addai, of which 16 were successful according to FO's [Football Outsiders] metrics (40% of needed yards on first down, 60% on second down, 100% on 3rd or 4th down). Ten out of 14 touches in the first half for a 71% success rate. Six out of 12 in the second half for a 50% success rate, when they were shifting to Cover 1 and trying to stop the run. Addai had a 61.5% success rate overall. None of his catches or carries went for negative yards. Unbelievable."
That ability to move the chains on the ground is vital for Manning. If Addai can keep the ground game moving, Manning has the confidence to check to a run when the coverage favors it, or when he doesn't like what he sees when he had planned to pass. And that's the other reason Addai's so good...they have full confidence in him in all field situations, and so won't pull him except for rest.Just to wallow in the detail, here's Addai's workload from the NO game:1) 1-10, 4 yds, success2) 1-10, 1 yd 3) 3-1, 5 yds, success4) 1-10, 4 yds, success5) 1-10, 7 yds, success6) 2-3, 10 yds, success7) 1-10, 8 yds, success8) 2-2, 8 yds, success9) 2-10, 3 yds10) 1-10, 5 yds, success11) 1-10, 2 yds12) 1-10, 14 yds, success13) 1-10, 12 yds, success14) 2-10, 5 ydssecond half:15) 1-10, 1 yds16) 2-9, 9 yds, success17) 1-10, 2 yds18) 2-8, 1 yd19) 2-2, 2 yds, TD, success20) 1-10, 7 yds, success21) 2-3, 15 yds, success22) 1-10, 3 yds23) 1-10, 3 yds24) 2-7, 5 yds, success25) 1-10, 6 yds, success26) 1-10, 3 ydsBTW, any RB that gets 26 touches a game gets my vote!
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Steve Young respectfully asks these type of threads to die.
toppshelff
Footballguy
Yes, exactly. You can argue Addai's physical talents all you want, but he has learned a very complex system and this is what makes him special. He is a great pass protector, picking up blitzes well, he can flow with Peyton's line of scrimmage calls, he knows when to look for a dump off, he knows how to help Peyton run out, or save the clock.Edgerrin was also very bright, blocked well and was a great receiver. You can't dump anyone at RB in Ind and expect them to succeed. Just like in Denver, you need a very different type of RB to succeed (a one-cut runner). The physical gifts are not as important in Indy as the mental part. Polian does have a penchance for finding these guys, though.
duaneok66
Footballguy
outstanding post . . .
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