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RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (2 Viewers)

Didn't wind up getting in most leagues due to his price rising so much over the last month or so; but I do have a +3000 parlay on him for rushing, receiving, and a TD. So I'll certainly be rooting for him like he's on my team tonight lol.
 
I expected Monty to be the starter. I expected Monty to get goalline carries. What I didn't expect was an 80/20 snap count split. What I didn't expect was Monty being on all passing downs


This could be a frustrating season
 
I expected Monty to be the starter. I expected Monty to get goalline carries. What I didn't expect was an 80/20 snap count split. What I didn't expect was Monty being on all passing downs


This could be a frustrating season
It’s week 1. Gibbs looks good. Roll with it and R-E-L-A-X. :)
He looks very good. Don't think Campbell really cares plus they're about to upset the super bowl Champs in KC
 
As a Lion fan and the holder of pick 1.2 in rookie draft this did not surprise me. Still pissed the Lions used pick 12 on an RB, especially not a bell cow type back. I traded the 1.2 to get Bijan, just did not believe that they would use him enough, but he did look good.
 
He looked good. Montgomery looked good. The O line looked really good. I like that they're easing him in. He's going to get going when we need him to in the second half of the season.
 
The DET defense is better than last year. In FF, it may be hard to repeat last years RB totals, between Montgomery and Gibbs. TBD.
 
Jahmyr Gibbs rushed seven times for 42 yards in the Lions’ Week 1 win over the Chiefs, adding two receptions for 18 additional yards.

David Montgomery touched the ball on the Lions’ first play from scrimmage, setting the stage for a disappointing fantasy night for the No. 12 overall pick. Montgomery ended up with a commanding 21-9 touch advantage, dominating snaps and getting the closest thing the Lions saw to a goal-line carry. Montgomery housed it for a rugged eight-yard score in the fourth quarter. Gibbs did receive a handle from the Chiefs’ nine-yard line earlier in the contest. Gibbs’ edge speed and overall explosiveness was evident to the naked eye, but the Lions clearly have more trust in Montgomery’s pass-blocking and “little things” skill-set at the moment. 10-12 touches are probably a reasonable bet for Gibbs’ second career contest against the Seahawks in Week 2. That makes him a volatile RB2/FLEX, and not the low-end RB1 summer drafters hoped they were getting.
 
Buy low opportunity. Gibbs looked very good. Campbell said he would be eased in and he was.

Kamara had 7 carries for 18 yards and 4 catches for 20 yards in his debut. I still feel good Gibbs' prospects, though of course that feeling will evaporate if Gibbs' workload does not advance over the next few weeks.
 
If you were the Lions coach, and had a chance to beat the Chiefs on the road, would you risk putting in a rookie over a more trusted/experienced RB? I don't blame him at all for heavily using the vet tonight. Very bright days are ahead for Gibbs IMO.
Yes, it's consistent with the way a lot of coaches go with vets early on and gradually work the rookie in as the season progresses. They signed DM for a reason.
 
Definitely passes the eye test. Instead of bouncing around like a certain former Lion, he sees the hole and hits it hard.

Agreed. If I’m a Gibbs owner I’m happy with what I saw last night. If you ever thought he was going to be 25 touches a games then you weren’t paying attention to how we run our O, but his usage will increase and I’ll bet he will make the most of his opportunities.

The Kamara comparisons were made, and then they were derided, but I have to say he looked very similar out there despite not having the same physical stats. Turns corners sharp and gets up to speed pronto whilst looking super smooth
 
Looks to me like 2 blockers got their butts kicked and there was no hole where it was supposed to be. That is a counter, which has a slight delay to its development. The pulling guard whiffs on the OLB and the TE gets driven 2 yards back which takes away the cutback lane. Not sure where he was supposed to go there as it looks like he was surrounded by 3 defenders where the hole was supposed to be.
 
Looks to me like 2 blockers got their butts kicked and there was no hole where it was supposed to be. That is a counter, which has a slight delay to its development. The pulling guard whiffs on the OLB and the TE gets driven 2 yards back which takes away the cutback lane. Not sure where he was supposed to go there as it looks like he was surrounded by 3 defenders where the hole was supposed to be.
Yeah, he ran where the hole was supposed to be. As a rookie, you probably want that. But eventually he needs to be trusted and encouraged to improvise on that play.
 
Buy low opportunity. Gibbs looked very good. Campbell said he would be eased in and he was.

Kamara had 7 carries for 18 yards and 4 catches for 20 yards in his debut. I still feel good Gibbs' prospects, though of course that feeling will evaporate if Gibbs' workload does not advance over the next few weeks.
Kamara was also a 3rd round pick who was splitting with Adrian Peterson and Mark Ingram and he STILL led the RBs in snaps, carries, and tied for touches in his first NFL game.

Absolutely no reason to panic, but there's no sugar coating it, that wasn't what owners were hoping to see- the offense did not look very good against a mediocre defense missing their best player, and only 2 targets to RBs combined- what happened to him being this huge deep ball threat, or using him in "ways that people don't think we might"? He was essentially used as a typical back-up RB, and that's not nearly as enticing as a Kamara-type of role.

Again, it's one game, but it's not an encouraging start.
 
Jahmyr Gibbs -- Week 1

29% snaps
21% attempts
25% route participation

It is a long season and he looked great. Those numbers will climb, but the stated goal was “we’re not looking for our rookies to peak Week 1 in Arrowhead, we want them peaking at year end.”

Very conservative game plan, but postgame Campbell said they felt like they could “play a certain style and it would lead to things breaking their way.” That’s not an every week thing but with no Chris Jones they felt their OL could wear down the Chiefs DL.

That was some impressive road grading on the 4th quarter.

Gibbs role will increase. He’s special.
He looks special to me.

Looking to buy low at any opportunity.
 
disappointing but exciting first game, frustrating, but need to stick with him, if he doesn't fall on that early down carry on the 10, he might score on that... I didn't reach for him, but he was still a premium pick.. patience, patience....
 
While Gibbs stats last night aren't getting me excited, what I saw on the field is...his role will increase and with that obvious talent - there will be points!
 
Cream will rise here, disappointing night but he's going to get his.

My biggest let down was the discussion about him being involved downfield more but the lions definitely played ball control and didn't have many big conventional passing plays (most seemed to be off play action). But, they went into a prime time game in front of one of the toughest buildings in the NFL and won so what Detroit executed worked.

He will just be too good to keep off the field.
 
While Gibbs stats last night aren't getting me excited, what I saw on the field is...his role will increase and with that obvious talent - there will be points!
Montgomery ended up with a decent stat line, but looked so slow and only got what was blocked. At some point things will shift a bit towards Gibbs.
 
While Gibbs stats last night aren't getting me excited, what I saw on the field is...his role will increase and with that obvious talent - there will be points!
Montgomery ended up with a decent stat line, but looked so slow and only got what was blocked. At some point things will shift a bit towards Gibbs.
totally agree. Monty looked pedestrian. Gibbs may have missed a couple plays but I'd be happy if I were an owner.
 
My assessment of Gibbs was good - I am not sure how I feel about him in redraft because he did miss a couple holes and seemed sometimes hesitant when ran up the middle but that speed is absolutely real and I think the game plan will evolve, especially based on the Lions lack of WR depth behind Amon-Ra. Potential league winner at the end of season.

It is pretty clear, and has been for awhile, Montgomery is the plodder to Gibbs explosiveness. The only downside is Montgomery looked pretty good and I don't see him ceding carries to Gibbs as quickly as most owners probably hoped.
 
He's an exciting player to say the least. His burst was there for everyone to see. If the Lions can hold it together defensively they are going to be an exciting team this year.
 
Absolutely no reason to panic, but there's no sugar coating it, that wasn't what owners were hoping to see- the offense did not look very good against a mediocre defense missing their best player, and only 2 targets to RBs combined- what happened to him being this huge deep ball threat, or using him in "ways that people don't think we might"? He was essentially used as a typical back-up RB, and that's not nearly as enticing as a Kamara-type of role.
This is where I'm at. He looked fine, but there was nothing to suggest the Lions actually have anything creative planned for him after all. Zero attempts to get him the ball in space. He was just a typical COP play.

I get that it's only one game, but they talked that element up all summer. You're not going to tip your whole hand, obviously, but if you're not going to break out a few things against the champs, who are you saving it for?
 
Absolutely no reason to panic, but there's no sugar coating it, that wasn't what owners were hoping to see- the offense did not look very good against a mediocre defense missing their best player, and only 2 targets to RBs combined- what happened to him being this huge deep ball threat, or using him in "ways that people don't think we might"? He was essentially used as a typical back-up RB, and that's not nearly as enticing as a Kamara-type of role.
This is where I'm at. He looked fine, but there was nothing to suggest the Lions actually have anything creative planned for him after all. Zero attempts to get him the ball in space. He was just a typical COP play.

I get that it's only one game, but they talked that element up all summer. You're not going to tip your whole hand, obviously, but if you're not going to break out a few things against the champs, who are you saving it for?
That's not what I saw. I believe they definitely have a big plan for Gibbs and he makes their team a lot more dynamic and dangerous. I have zero shares of Gibbs and chose to take JSN over him at 1.2 in a couple of leagues. One being where I traded for the pick and the other where I earned it (who cares about my team, right?). To me Gibbs looked like he has juice to spare and looked good last night IMO. You fantasy guys are fickle.
 
While Gibbs stats last night aren't getting me excited, what I saw on the field is...his role will increase and with that obvious talent - there will be points!
Montgomery ended up with a decent stat line, but looked so slow and only got what was blocked. At some point things will shift a bit towards Gibbs.
This is not what I saw at all. Monty got the 'tough carries' between the tackle while Gibbs got plays designed to get him into space. Gibbs looked good and faster, but Monty ran tough, broke tackles, and didn't go down on first contact. To say he only got what was blocked is underselling him hard. This will be a RBBC and a successful Lions run game.
 
Gibbs looked awesome. Lions offense will be much better when they start utilizing him in more creative ways.

I know they said they were going to ease him in, but 9 touches seemed criminal. I understand they don't trust him yet with pass blocking, and that playing in Arrowhead is a tough spot, but it was clear to everyone watching that he needs the ball more, and closer to 15 touches every game. He is actually a pretty good pass blocker. Once he gets closer to the 15 touch mark he will be awesome as a fantasy player, and truly Kamara 2.0

He is one my favorite players to watch already. Every time he touches the ball, i am thinking "Is this it? is he going to take it to the house??". I am not sure why they went away from him in the screen game in the first half when he looked so explosive. I am also not sure whey they kept throwing to Marvin Jones when he had like 5 drops in a row, or why he is even still on their roster? They also need to let Gibbs return a couple of kickoffs each game, that is actually a great part of his game.

The Rb touches will be closer to 60/40, and he will get closer to 5 targets a game soon enough
 
While Gibbs stats last night aren't getting me excited, what I saw on the field is...his role will increase and with that obvious talent - there will be points!
Montgomery ended up with a decent stat line, but looked so slow and only got what was blocked. At some point things will shift a bit towards Gibbs.
This is not what I saw at all. Monty got the 'tough carries' between the tackle while Gibbs got plays designed to get him into space. Gibbs looked good and faster, but Monty ran tough, broke tackles, and didn't go down on first contact. To say he only got what was blocked is underselling him hard. This will be a RBBC and a successful Lions run game.
Gibbs had a few inside runs as well - and I'll stand behind what I saw, no offense. Outside of the TD run, Montgomery looked very pedestrian and slow.
 
While Gibbs stats last night aren't getting me excited, what I saw on the field is...his role will increase and with that obvious talent - there will be points!
Montgomery ended up with a decent stat line, but looked so slow and only got what was blocked. At some point things will shift a bit towards Gibbs.
This is not what I saw at all. Monty got the 'tough carries' between the tackle while Gibbs got plays designed to get him into space. Gibbs looked good and faster, but Monty ran tough, broke tackles, and didn't go down on first contact. To say he only got what was blocked is underselling him hard. This will be a RBBC and a successful Lions run game.
he looked like a lesser Jamal Williams to me. He ran for 3.5 ypc against a team that's not good against the run without their best player. He did get volume, yes, but I would not be too excited if I were a Monty owner. I see a Zeke/Pollard type of backfield from last year.
 
Absolutely no reason to panic, but there's no sugar coating it, that wasn't what owners were hoping to see- the offense did not look very good against a mediocre defense missing their best player, and only 2 targets to RBs combined- what happened to him being this huge deep ball threat, or using him in "ways that people don't think we might"? He was essentially used as a typical back-up RB, and that's not nearly as enticing as a Kamara-type of role.
This is where I'm at. He looked fine, but there was nothing to suggest the Lions actually have anything creative planned for him after all. Zero attempts to get him the ball in space. He was just a typical COP play.

I get that it's only one game, but they talked that element up all summer. You're not going to tip your whole hand, obviously, but if you're not going to break out a few things against the champs, who are you saving it for?
That's not what I saw. I believe they definitely have a big plan for Gibbs and he makes their team a lot more dynamic and dangerous. I have zero shares of Gibbs and chose to take JSN over him at 1.2 in a couple of leagues. One being where I traded for the pick and the other where I earned it (who cares about my team, right?). To me Gibbs looked like he has juice to spare and looked good last night IMO. You fantasy guys are fickle.
We all want to believe that, but what did you see that would give you any indication that they definitely have a big plan for him? 2 targets, nothing creative, just very bland. Actions speak louder than words, and while their words have been off the charts good, their actions last night were far from it. It was very uninspiring. And I do have shares of Gibbs, not that it matters much.

Again, only one week, hopefully that changes (very) soon.
 
Fantasy numbers aside Gibbs looked like a legit NFL RB last night. He looked quick and had that feel like he can take it to the house on every touch. They were 13th in rushing attempts last year. They rushed the ball a crazy 34 times last night. I think we just saw the offensive blueprint for the season. I'd be shocked if they arent top 5 in rushing attempts this year. Wouldn't be shocked if they led the league in rushing attempts. Monty isnt going anywhere and barring injury should lead the team in carries. I put the season rushing attempts line at 550. I see Gibbs getting more as season progresses. 18 to 20 for Monty and 13 to 16 for Gibbs. Throw in a couple catches a week and we looking at a 250 to 300 touch season for Gibbs. If this little guy holds up he is a legit low end rb1. Very impressed with this kid.
 
Absolutely no reason to panic, but there's no sugar coating it, that wasn't what owners were hoping to see- the offense did not look very good against a mediocre defense missing their best player, and only 2 targets to RBs combined- what happened to him being this huge deep ball threat, or using him in "ways that people don't think we might"? He was essentially used as a typical back-up RB, and that's not nearly as enticing as a Kamara-type of role.
This is where I'm at. He looked fine, but there was nothing to suggest the Lions actually have anything creative planned for him after all. Zero attempts to get him the ball in space. He was just a typical COP play.

I get that it's only one game, but they talked that element up all summer. You're not going to tip your whole hand, obviously, but if you're not going to break out a few things against the champs, who are you saving it for?
That's not what I saw. I believe they definitely have a big plan for Gibbs and he makes their team a lot more dynamic and dangerous. I have zero shares of Gibbs and chose to take JSN over him at 1.2 in a couple of leagues. One being where I traded for the pick and the other where I earned it (who cares about my team, right?). To me Gibbs looked like he has juice to spare and looked good last night IMO. You fantasy guys are fickle.
We all want to believe that, but what did you see that would give you any indication that they definitely have a big plan for him? 2 targets, nothing creative, just very bland. Actions speak louder than words, and while their words have been off the charts good, their actions last night were far from it. It was very uninspiring.

Again, only one week, hopefully that changes (very) soon.
Don't be impatient. While I don't believe Gibbs will come anywhere close to being used as much as you guys want, he looked like the best player out there last night. The Lions want Gibbs to be what Swift wasn't on a consistent basis. Monty will be the pounder and goal line back, so accept that and look forward to what Gibbs does well. His usage in the passing game will increase and increase substantially.
 
my two cents.

Very talented skill set was on full display. Slippery and explosive against good nfl talent. But, it seems things need to slow down for him. I didn’t see the patience that was very evident on his college tape. This might be just him feeling like he has something to prove or first game jitters. Basically a non issue for me as he definitely gave it his all.

It was only the first game of the season and all but I was disappointed he wasn’t used during the hurry up offense at the end of the second half. I didn’t see him play one snap there but may have missed it.

I thought Montgomery did a pretty good job overall and I’m thinking I may have underestimated his role on this team. I think the change of scenery is going to be a plus for him. He seemed to play with a bit more desire than the times I seen him last year.

Overall I’m super excited to see what gibbs does next week but he will be on my bench.
 
Absolutely no reason to panic, but there's no sugar coating it, that wasn't what owners were hoping to see- the offense did not look very good against a mediocre defense missing their best player, and only 2 targets to RBs combined- what happened to him being this huge deep ball threat, or using him in "ways that people don't think we might"? He was essentially used as a typical back-up RB, and that's not nearly as enticing as a Kamara-type of role.
This is where I'm at. He looked fine, but there was nothing to suggest the Lions actually have anything creative planned for him after all. Zero attempts to get him the ball in space. He was just a typical COP play.

I get that it's only one game, but they talked that element up all summer. You're not going to tip your whole hand, obviously, but if you're not going to break out a few things against the champs, who are you saving it for?
That's not what I saw. I believe they definitely have a big plan for Gibbs and he makes their team a lot more dynamic and dangerous. I have zero shares of Gibbs and chose to take JSN over him at 1.2 in a couple of leagues. One being where I traded for the pick and the other where I earned it (who cares about my team, right?). To me Gibbs looked like he has juice to spare and looked good last night IMO. You fantasy guys are fickle.
We all want to believe that, but what did you see that would give you any indication that they definitely have a big plan for him? 2 targets, nothing creative, just very bland. Actions speak louder than words, and while their words have been off the charts good, their actions last night were far from it. It was very uninspiring. And I do have shares of Gibbs, not that it matters much.

Again, only one week, hopefully that changes (very) soon.
Dan Campbell said a couple of days ago that they were going to ease him in game 1. The game plan last night at arrowhead was keep Mahomes off the field, run the ball up the middle, and have longer drives to keep the chiefs offense on the sideline and the crowd noise down. The touches and creative ways to get him the ball in space will increase each week. Not worried in the slightest about his usage going forward. There is no way the lions watch that film and say "yea 9 touches was right for him".
 
While Gibbs stats last night aren't getting me excited, what I saw on the field is...his role will increase and with that obvious talent - there will be points!
Montgomery ended up with a decent stat line, but looked so slow and only got what was blocked. At some point things will shift a bit towards Gibbs.
This is not what I saw at all. Monty got the 'tough carries' between the tackle while Gibbs got plays designed to get him into space. Gibbs looked good and faster, but Monty ran tough, broke tackles, and didn't go down on first contact. To say he only got what was blocked is underselling him hard. This will be a RBBC and a successful Lions run game.
Gibbs had a few inside runs as well - and I'll stand behind what I saw, no offense. Outside of the TD run, Montgomery looked very pedestrian and slow.

Gibbs had 7 carries. One designed run to the outside left that he slashed for 17 yards looking good. Another late designed to go to the right side edge that he followed a hole with great blocking untouched for 12 yards. These are the kinds of carries Detroit has in mind for him. You did not see a single inside run for more than what Monty was doing. Gibbs averaged 2.6 YPC between the tackles. After pointing this out, this is where Gibbs owners will probably want to get defensive but I'm not saying Gibbs had a bad night or that he's not a great player. Just that they need to temper their expectations. He's probably not going to get the majority of carries or goal line work but he will get great efficiency. He can still be a very good fantasy option with a high ceiling but he'll clearly be inconsistent with the current set up.
 
Understand the excitement with Gibbs. He does look explosive. But people ate really putting blinders on with Montgomery. He’s going to get all of the tough carries including the goal line work. I thought the Chiefs did a great job on the line without Jones. Detroit’s O Line struggled to create holes. Monty looks to be the workhorse. Got paid as such. But both should get enough to eat.
 
We all want to believe that, but what did you see that would give you any indication that they definitely have a big plan for him?
Nothing last night - but spending pick 12 is a decent indication.

I don't think the very first game determines exactly what happens in games 2-17. He looked good, generally players get more run when they show something on the field, so we have to hope that when the coaches review film, they see they underutilized the second best player on offense last night.
 

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