RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (2 Viewers)

[Dr. Octopus]

He can still be a very good fantasy option with a high ceiling but he'll clearly be inconsistent with the current set up.

That's a pretty obvious statement - but most probably are expecting more than two targets a game going forward though.

I don't think most people expected him to out-carry Montgomery (so you're not making some groundbreaking observation there), but are disappointed in the (lack of) passing game usage.

 

[Chaka]

Outside of the TD run, Montgomery looked very pedestrian and slow.

I don't think we should ignore the run where he was quick, decisive, elusive and got more than what was blocked.

Nor should we ignore his hard running that iced the game. That was money and both Campbell and Johnson are over the moon with that kind of performance.

Montgomery isn't a great RB but he is far better than people give him credit for.

Gibbs will get more than last night but I think thoughts of him taking over lead back duties were always misplaced.

~Signed,
A guy who took Gibbs as his RB2 over Montgomery and doesn't regret it, mostly



...mostly

 

[Pots]

He can still be a very good fantasy option with a high ceiling but he'll clearly be inconsistent with the current set up.

That's a pretty obvious statement - but most probably are expecting more than two targets a game going forward though.

I don't think most people expected him to out-carry Montgomery (so you're not making some groundbreaking observation there), but are disappointed in the (lack of) passing game usage.

I'm thinking the lack of passing game usage was due to game script and not trusting his pass protect. It was a close game where they wanted to slow the game down vs the Chiefs and maul their DLine. He'll get more targets for sure, but I think a lot of people here are under-rating how Monty looked and just see that 3.5 YPC and put blinders on. I think both are solid RB2/Flex options with Gibbs having the higher ceiling and lower floor and usage will vary based on game script for each game.

 

[JohnnyU]

He can still be a very good fantasy option with a high ceiling but he'll clearly be inconsistent with the current set up.

That's a pretty obvious statement - but most probably are expecting more than two targets a game going forward though.

I don't think most people expected him to out-carry Montgomery (so you're not making some groundbreaking observation there), but are disappointed in the (lack of) passing game usage.

People shouldn't be making assumptions of Gibbs' use in the passing game after week 1. That usage will steadily increase. He was the best player on the field last night. I do however believe Gibbs owners should accept that Monty's usage isn't going to change barring injury. I would have thought everyone would have known this when they drafted Gibbs. Like I said earlier, the Lions want Gibbs as a more consistent version of Swift, only better. If people can't accept this, then they probably should have drafted JSN at #2 instead of Gibbs.

 

[Chaka]

but what did you see that would give you any indication that they definitely have a big plan for him? 2 targets, nothing creative,

I may be wrong about this, maybe @BobbyLayne has the data but it seemed.like Gibbs was more involved early and as the game remained tight Montgomery's workload increased.

There were also at least three plays with Montgomery in the backfield with Gibbs split out with the WRs. And he had a nice run on an end around.

I am not sure what people envisioned when Ben Johnson made his comments about creative usage for Gibbs but there are only so many ways to get creative with a RB and we saw several last night.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

a lot of people here are under-rating how Monty looked and just see that 3.5 YPC and put blinders on

or some of us watched the game but thanks for the "blinders" comment.

I'm not saying he's a terrible back. He's solid hard running grinder, but he's slow as molasses and did not impress last night behind one of the best o-lines in the league. Campbell obviously likes that type of RB though as evidenced by his love of Jamaal Williams.

Despite some claims in the last few posts, I don't think many, if any, thought Gibbs was going to lead this team in carries or even come close really. Montgomery will if he stays healthy - but as the season progresses, Gibbs will gain a bigger share of the backfield.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

People shouldn't be making assumptions of Gibbs' use in the passing game after week 1.

I'm strictly talking about being disappointed this week - I agree that his role is going to increase.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He was the best player on the field last night.

Second - ARSB was the best.

 

[LawFitz]

as the season progresses, Gibbs will gain a bigger share of the backfield.

Yes, probably true in general, but I think game script will be the primary determinant week to week if/when both RBs are healthy.

 

[JohnnyU]

He was the best player on the field last night.

Second - ARSB was the best.

Yes, I won't argue with that for sure.

 

[DocHolliday]

People shouldn't be making assumptions of Gibbs' use in the passing game after week 1.

I'm strictly talking about being disappointed this week - I agree that his role is going to increase.

The rookie RB was eased into game action in a tough game in a hostile environment. No surprises. Gibbs will get more work as the season progresses but Monty is going to get a steady amount of work. He is a solid RB that has a role.

 

[humpback]

We all want to believe that, but what did you see that would give you any indication that they definitely have a big plan for him?

Nothing last night - but spending pick 12 is a decent indication.

I don't think the very first game determines exactly what happens in games 2-17. He looked good, generally players get more run when they show something on the field, so we have to hope that when the coaches review film, they see they underutilized the second best player on offense last night.

That's old news and one of the reasons for the very high expectations. The new news is that he was underutilized last night, especially the 2 targets. That's disappointing compared to the expectations coming into the game.

I'm not sure how many times I can say it's only 1 week. No one has even alluded to it determining the rest of his season.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

We all want to believe that, but what did you see that would give you any indication that they definitely have a big plan for him?

Nothing last night - but spending pick 12 is a decent indication.

I don't think the very first game determines exactly what happens in games 2-17. He looked good, generally players get more run when they show something on the field, so we have to hope that when the coaches review film, they see they underutilized the second best player on offense last night.

That's old news and one of the reasons for the very high expectations. The new news is that he was underutilized last night, especially the 2 targets. That's disappointing compared to the expectations coming into the game.

I'm not sure how many times I can say it's only 1 week. No one has even alluded to it determining the rest of his season.

Yes, last night was a disappointment in usage - that's now old news also. If your saying that it doesn't determine his usage going forward, I'm not sure what your point is then.

 

[DeaLerZ]

If he didn't slip on that run, or if he didn't miss the hole on that other run he could have had a very different night. His usage will go up, and no one will even remember game 1 when Gibbs gets a 70 yard TD. Than everyone will be talking about how he was a steal in the 3rd round. People are so funny

What was most impressive to me was how he was sitting on the sidelines for most of the game, and would come in and make great plays. Touched the ball 9x, and had 3 plays where he went for over 10 yards. Once they started letting him get comfortable on field it's going to be a lot of fun to watch

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The good news: he looks legit. Bouncing off tackles, good acceleration. He’s going to be a serious weapon for the Lions. He’s also going to hit some home runs and looks like a dude who can score from anywhere. Reminds me a bit of McFadden. Truly electric.

The bad news: this is clearly a RBBC, with Monty as the short yardage back. Tney brought in Monty as the thunder & barring injury, he’s not going away.

So for FF purposes, Gibbs got way too much hype this off-season.

 

[jobarules]

Monty basically won the game for the Lions the last 2 drives. He runs hard. Hes better than Jamaal Williams. Lets of people underrating him. Yeah hes slow but hes hard to bring down.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

If he didn't slip on that run, or if he didn't miss the hole on that other run he could have had a very different night. His usage will go up, and no one will even remember game 1 when Gibbs gets a 70 yard TD. Than everyone will be talking about how he was a steal in the 3rd round. People are so funny

What was most impressive to me was how he was sitting on the sidelines for most of the game, and would come in and make great plays. Touched the ball 9x, and had 3 plays where he went for over 10 yards. Once they started letting him get comfortable on field it's going to be a lot of fun to watch

Don't see how he's going to get many more touches. Maybe if they're getting blown out? Lions looked really good and I'm pretty sure pounding Montgomery and playing good D is the way Campbell wants to win. I'd be a little surprised if much changes from last night's game plan.

Going to be tough starting Gibbs for the next couple of weeks.

 

[DeaLerZ]

If he didn't slip on that run, or if he didn't miss the hole on that other run he could have had a very different night. His usage will go up, and no one will even remember game 1 when Gibbs gets a 70 yard TD. Than everyone will be talking about how he was a steal in the 3rd round. People are so funny

What was most impressive to me was how he was sitting on the sidelines for most of the game, and would come in and make great plays. Touched the ball 9x, and had 3 plays where he went for over 10 yards. Once they started letting him get comfortable on field it's going to be a lot of fun to watch

Don't see how he's going to get many more touches. Maybe if they're getting blown out? Lions looked really good and I'm pretty sure pounding Montgomery and playing good D is the way Campbell wants to win. I'd be a little surprised if much changes from last night's game plan.

Going to be tough starting Gibbs for the next couple of weeks.

because they drafted him 12th overall. They literally said we are going to ease him in game 1, and want him to peak by the end of the season. Plus it was a big game against the superbowl champs. He will be getting closer to 12-15 touches as the season progresses. There is no way they watched that film from last night and said yea 9 touches was the right amount for him. Gibbs is like Kamara 2.0 and will be used as such. Dan Campbell came from the Saints (2016-2020).

Look at Kamara's rookie year as a good reference point

Mark Ingram = David Montgomery (Ingram finished as RB#6 that year (230 attempts, 1124 yards, 12 tds, 58 rec 416 yards receiving)

Alvin Kamara= Jahmyr Gibbs (Kamara finished as RB #3 that year (120 attempts 728 yards 8 rush TDs, 81 recepts 826 yards 5 TDs) He started off slow weeks 1-3, and by week 4 started elite production

 

[Gally]

I was very impressed withe Lions offense on the whole. I think they have a nice combo of players and will be hard to stop. I also believe if Gibbs doesn't slip most people would be spouting how great he is and not be disappointed at all. I think Monty was great and did exactly what Detroit wants him to do. He always gains yards, falls forward. Doesn't put them behind the chains. As someone else said this is going to be a lot like Dallas last year with Zeke/Pollard. This usage is very reminiscent of that and Gibbs has that talent.

For me, both of these guys will be useful and I am hoping that last nights usage will let Gibbs slip for Saturday's draft and I can get him at a discount.

 

[Chaka]

If he didn't slip on that run, or if he didn't miss the hole on that other run he could have had a very different night. His usage will go up, and no one will even remember game 1 when Gibbs gets a 70 yard TD. Than everyone will be talking about how he was a steal in the 3rd round. People are so funny

What was most impressive to me was how he was sitting on the sidelines for most of the game, and would come in and make great plays. Touched the ball 9x, and had 3 plays where he went for over 10 yards. Once they started letting him get comfortable on field it's going to be a lot of fun to watch

Don't see how he's going to get many more touches. Maybe if they're getting blown out? Lions looked really good and I'm pretty sure pounding Montgomery and playing good D is the way Campbell wants to win. I'd be a little surprised if much changes from last night's game plan.

Going to be tough starting Gibbs for the next couple of weeks.

The Lions like Monty and would like him to be available all year. I doubt the plan is for him to be a 350+ touch guy.

 

[JohnnyU]

The good news: he looks legit. Bouncing off tackles, good acceleration. He’s going to be a serious weapon for the Lions. He’s also going to hit some home runs and looks like a dude who can score from anywhere. Reminds me a bit of McFadden. Truly electric.

The bad news: this is clearly a RBBC, with Monty as the short yardage back. Tney brought in Monty as the thunder & barring injury, he’s not going away.

So for FF purposes, Gibbs got way too much hype this off-season.

Thus the reason why I opted for JSN at 1.2, but I do like Gibbs and don't blame anyone for taking him 1.2.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If he didn't slip on that run, or if he didn't miss the hole on that other run he could have had a very different night. His usage will go up, and no one will even remember game 1 when Gibbs gets a 70 yard TD. Than everyone will be talking about how he was a steal in the 3rd round. People are so funny

What was most impressive to me was how he was sitting on the sidelines for most of the game, and would come in and make great plays. Touched the ball 9x, and had 3 plays where he went for over 10 yards. Once they started letting him get comfortable on field it's going to be a lot of fun to watch

Don't see how he's going to get many more touches. Maybe if they're getting blown out? Lions looked really good and I'm pretty sure pounding Montgomery and playing good D is the way Campbell wants to win. I'd be a little surprised if much changes from last night's game plan.

Going to be tough starting Gibbs for the next couple of weeks.

His target share was abysmal, so that’s an area he’s likely to see an increase.

Which if we’re being honest here, is exactly why FF managers drafted him.

That he only ran 9 routes to Monty’s 20 is baffling usage.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Thus the reason why I opted for JSN at 1.2, but I do like Gibbs and don't blame anyone for taking him 1.2.

Also the reason I traded for Monty, and traded away my 1.04 pick.

I still think Gibbs is going to have much better games, but his ceiling seems like boom or bust RB2 rather than world beater RB1. With Montgomery on the team it felt clear that Gibbs ceiling would be capped.

We’re all just guessing though.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The usage is also informed by seeing Swift (who is about 17 pounds heavier) on the injury report about 20 times the last two years. The goal is to have the Lamborghini peaking in mid-January not Week 1 v the defending Champs.

I agree. But that’s RL football Vs Magical Foozeball.

Still, that he only ran 9 receiving routes compared to Monty’s 20 is a little weird.

I’d expect the opposite.

 

[JohnnyU]

Thus the reason why I opted for JSN at 1.2, but I do like Gibbs and don't blame anyone for taking him 1.2.

Also the reason I traded for Monty, and traded away my 1.04 pick.

I still think Gibbs is going to have much better games, but his ceiling seems like boom or bust RB2 rather than world beater RB1. With Montgomery on the team it felt clear that Gibbs ceiling would be capped.

We’re all just guessing though.

I never guessed. From the beginning I said they wanted Gibbs as a more consistent and better version of Swift. Those who are thinking workhorse back have blinders on and I believe Gibbs is going to be a good fantasy back in other ways, but I still like JSN at 1.2 over Gibbs. I reserve the right to change my mind later

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

lol. Lmao

 

[Dr. Octopus]

With Montgomery on the team it felt clear that Gibbs ceiling would be capped.

I really don't get this logic when most people expect Gibbs to be doing his damage in the passing game - it's like people are all of a sudden pretending those that are in support of Gibbs were acting as if Montgomery did not exist or that Gibbs was going to just completely push him aside.

Gibbs will see less than 10 carries each week in most cases - and hopefully he'll break a few long runs. However he could conceivably catch 60+ balls this year (last night notwithstanding) and that's where his value lies.

 

[Faust]

Logan Lamorandier
#Lions rookie Jahmyr Gibbs had 6 broken tackles rushing the football per PFF on just 7 carries for a yards after contact average of 4.86 yards

For reference, Swift had a total of 24 forced missed tackles and Williams had 30 all of last season.

https://twitter.com/llamorandier/status/1700137917744652744?s=21

 

[Alex P Keaton]

they don't trust him in pass pro yet. or at a minimum, they preferred to not put that on him in his first NFL game on banner night in a hostile environment.

Dan Campbell telegraphed that, said the goal is for the rookies to peak at year end not week one. he'll see more opportunities, they know what they have. very special player.

Yeah, spot on. Despite pass pro concerns for Gibbs, Montgomery got steamrolled by Nick Bolton at one point and had to take an ugly penalty to protect Goff…..

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

With Montgomery on the team it felt clear that Gibbs ceiling would be capped.

I really don't get this logic when most people expect Gibbs to be doing his damage in the passing game - it's like people are all of a sudden pretending those that are in support of Gibbs were acting as if Montgomery did not exist or that Gibbs was going to just completely push him aside.

Gibbs will see less than 10 carries each week in most cases - and hopefully he'll break a few long runs. However he could conceivably catch 60+ balls this year (last night notwithstanding) and that's where his value lies.

There were a few suggesting that Monty would be the backup, or only used in short yardage. Draft capital, etc

What was/is confusing to me is the lack of usage in the passing game, so I’m in agreement with you there.

IMO his redraft ADP suggested that the FF community expected a much, much larger role.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lot to be optimistic about if you own him.

Dynasty, definitely.

Redraft, TBD.

 

[FarFromHome]

Once again dude looked solid. This Kamara comp has to stop though. 15 lbs on a RB is huge. It's like the difference between commercial jet travel and space shuttle travel. Kamara light? More like Kamara light light light. Maybe.

 

[TommyKramer9]

Great comparison with Ingram/Kamara. Gibbs will have some big moments this year, but it's going to take a few games to get him going

 

[massraider]

People shouldn't be making assumptions of Gibbs' use in the passing game after week 1.

Does this thinking only apply to Gibbs.

Asking for a friend

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

People shouldn't be making assumptions of Gibbs' use in the passing game after week 1.

Does this thinking only apply to Gibbs.

Asking for a friend

Broken link

 

[JohnnyU]

People shouldn't be making assumptions of Gibbs' use in the passing game after week 1.

Does this thinking only apply to Gibbs.

Asking for a friend

Of course not.

 

[LBH]

Disappointing box score but he looks legit. I only have him in redraft but I’m optimistic that much better days are coming soon.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Once again dude looked solid. This Kamara comp has to stop though. 15 lbs on a RB is huge. It's like the difference between commercial jet travel and space shuttle travel. Kamara light? More like Kamara light light light. Maybe.

Not really. It's actually pretty spot on. (Other Comp is Christian McCaffrey)

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5'10" 214lbs (BMI- 30.7)

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Jahmyr Gibbs-(Fastest Speed Recorded-23 mph on a 72 yard run vs Arkansas last year)

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Tiki Barber is the closest physical comparison in my opinion (Fastest Speed Recorded-N/A)

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Chris Johnson is another really good comp (Fastest Speed Recorded-20.03 mph)

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Christian Mccaffrey- (Fastest Speed Recorded- 21.95 mph)

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[Chaka]

Lot to be optimistic about if you own him.

Dynasty, definitely.

Redraft, TBD.

I don't think so really.

Generally he was drafted as a mid-RB2 in PPR redraft leagues (#16 or so). Monty was drafted as a late RB2 early RB3 (around #24). I didn't see anything last night that would change the mindset that led to that ranking. In empirical terms we all should have ranked Montgomery over Gibbs in PPR redraft leagues but, magic football tries to parlay weird stuff like "upside" into production so Gibbs>Montgomery makes some sense.

For reference; last season, on a PPG basis in PPR leagues, Swift finished around RB16 & Jamaal around RB 20. In total points Jamaal was a low end RB1 (around #12) and Swift was a mid RB2 (give or take RB20).

Swift did all that on 147 touches, if nothing changes Jahmyr is on pace for 153 touches. And, since I doubt the game plan for the Lions is to utilize Montgomery 357 times (current pace), I imagine things will change just a bit.

All that is to say, I am starting him with confidence next week.

 

[Chaka]

Honestly, the shark move is for Gibbs owners to try and trade for Montgomery (before last night ideally) and start both. Capturing the Lions running game will give you the production of two RB2s every single week, with lots of upside and very little downside (yadda yadda injury yadda yadda).

 

[FarFromHome]

Once again dude looked solid. This Kamara comp has to stop though. 15 lbs on a RB is huge. It's like the difference between commercial jet travel and space shuttle travel. Kamara light? More like Kamara light light light. Maybe.

Not really. It's actually pretty spot on. (Other Comp is Christian McCaffrey)

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Jahmyr Gibbs-(Fastest Speed-23 mph reached on a 72 yard run vs Arkansas last year)

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I get all the analytics. 15 lb difference simply makes all those "how fast he pushes the garbage to the curb" comparisons feel different. I like Gibbs, I think he has a shot at being a 1st round pick in all drafts next year. We are a culture of having fun with comparisons. I get it. It is fun. Kamara is a freak. A freak that is three weight classes above Gibbs.

 

[Biabreakable]

Absolutely no reason to panic, but there's no sugar coating it, that wasn't what owners were hoping to see- the offense did not look very good against a mediocre defense missing their best player, and only 2 targets to RBs combined- what happened to him being this huge deep ball threat, or using him in "ways that people don't think we might"? He was essentially used as a typical back-up RB, and that's not nearly as enticing as a Kamara-type of role.

This is where I'm at. He looked fine, but there was nothing to suggest the Lions actually have anything creative planned for him after all. Zero attempts to get him the ball in space. He was just a typical COP play.

I get that it's only one game, but they talked that element up all summer. You're not going to tip your whole hand, obviously, but if you're not going to break out a few things against the champs, who are you saving it for?

They are saving it for when he has a few games under his belt to aviod asking him to do too much in his 1st game vs the Super Bowl champion team where one mistake could possibly cost them the game.

Once Gibbs and the coaches have settled down a bit and gotten into the flow of a routine with in game decision making they will start adding more wrinkles with Gibbs, which is basically what they already said they were going to do.

The last thing they wanted to do was get too cute with him in the first game and have that possibly blow up in their face due to rookie mistakes. Especially when they already had the lead and could let the clock help them limit KC opportunities for a come back.

 

[Mongidig]

I wouldn't put much stock into usage week one for a rookie. As has been mentioned, the game plan for the Lions was tailored to the fact they knew they could run so playing a slow game made sense. If Jones and Kelce played and Toney was out this would have been a much different game. Detroit is a nice team but they aren't world beaters. In games were they are playing from behind Gibbs will be a beast. In games against teams who can stop the run Gibbs will be a beast. I'm hearing a lot of Montgomery praise. I thought he looked slow and plodding. He's just a JAG as far as I'm concerned. It was his fantastic offensive line that made him look good. We will see more and more of Gibbs as the season goes on. I have him on a few teams in best ball and I wish I had more.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Honestly, the shark move is for Gibbs owners to try and trade for Montgomery (before last night ideally) and start both. Capturing the Lions running game will give you the production of two RB2s every single week, with lots of upside and very little downside (yadda yadda injury yadda yadda).

My opponent this week in 1 redraft league did exactly that - started him (he drafted both). They combined for 22.1, or about what one should get out of their RB1 on a good week.

There will be better combined weeks ahead, so if you're confident that Gibbs low receiving targets/routes is an aberration, sure.

Personally I'd rather have diversity. Plus the whole "both having the same BYE" hurts for obvious reasons.

 

[Biabreakable]

Thus the reason why I opted for JSN at 1.2, but I do like Gibbs and don't blame anyone for taking him 1.2.

Also the reason I traded for Monty, and traded away my 1.04 pick.

I still think Gibbs is going to have much better games, but his ceiling seems like boom or bust RB2 rather than world beater RB1. With Montgomery on the team it felt clear that Gibbs ceiling would be capped.

We’re all just guessing though.

I never guessed. From the beginning I said they wanted Gibbs as a more consistent and better version of Swift. Those who are thinking workhorse back have blinders on and I believe Gibbs is going to be a good fantasy back in other ways, but I still like JSN at 1.2 over Gibbs. I reserve the right to change my mind later

I am pretty sure you will change your mind about that decision at some point not that it will help you any unless it changes your approach to this in the future if you have a similar opportunity again.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am pretty sure you will change your mind about that decision at some point not that it will help you any unless it changes your approach to this in the future if you have a similar opportunity again.

I'm pretty sure I won't. I make it a habit to not draft RBBC guys under 200 lbs with a top 4 pick, and that 1.04 pick+ netted me AJ Brown, when I needed WR more than RB (drafted Bijan with 1.01).

I would do that again 100/100 times.

 

[Chaka]

Honestly, the shark move is for Gibbs owners to try and trade for Montgomery (before last night ideally) and start both. Capturing the Lions running game will give you the production of two RB2s every single week, with lots of upside and very little downside (yadda yadda injury yadda yadda).

My opponent this week in 1 redraft league did exactly that - started him (he drafted both). They combined for 22.1, or about what one should get out of their RB1 on a good week.

There will be better combined weeks ahead, so if you're confident that Gibbs low receiving targets/routes is an aberration, sure.

Personally I'd rather have diversity. Plus the whole "both having the same BYE" hurts for obvious reasons.

Of course there will be off games, but even those games will give you a RB1, unlike when your actual RB1 puts up a dud. And it's a strategy few will ever be intellectually comfortable because diversity generally is king in this game. Even if that leads to higher variability.

But the production the Lions top two backs is something that there should have been little question about heading into this season. They upgraded at both RB positions (probably) and the offensive line and OC remained intact. I was bitter I didn't land both this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I was bitter I didn't land both this year.

In redraft I targeted Monty and faded Gibbs.

ADP was a significant factor for me in that.

 

[tangfoot]

With Montgomery on the team it felt clear that Gibbs ceiling would be capped.

I really don't get this logic when most people expect Gibbs to be doing his damage in the passing game - it's like people are all of a sudden pretending those that are in support of Gibbs were acting as if Montgomery did not exist or that Gibbs was going to just completely push him aside.

Gibbs will see less than 10 carries each week in most cases - and hopefully he'll break a few long runs. However he could conceivably catch 60+ balls this year (last night notwithstanding) and that's where his value lies.

There were a few suggesting that Monty would be the backup, or only used in short yardage. Draft capital, etc

What was/is confusing to me is the lack of usage in the passing game, so I’m in agreement with you there.

IMO his redraft ADP suggested that the FF community expected a much, much larger role.

Past tense indicates that the answer is already known, but it's been one week. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that anyone drafted based on expected usage in Week 1.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Past tense indicates that the answer is already known, but it's been one week. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that anyone drafted based on expected usage in Week 1.

I'm not saying his usage wont increase (in fact I've said the opposite above)

What I'm saying is that for Gibbs to pay off at his redraft ADP, he would have to be a LOT more involved than he was last night, especially in the receiving game.

I would hope that is coming. But that's no guarantee. If indeed it's a pass pro issue, it might be a ways off, because the Lions want to win real football games. But that's the future, and I'm not burying him based on 1 game at all.

But the FF community at large had him as a very high draft pick. That implies heavy usage - heavier than Monty, was clearly the presumption. Otherwise Monty would have been a much higher ADP, correct?