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RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (2 Viewers)
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What are you even talking about?
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Looked like he found some flow and rhythm at the end. Game was a C + for him but a better trend I thought.
He's a top 10 overall player in PPShouldacouldawoulda leagues, no doubt.
I understand that context matters, but at some point, when does the narrative around all of these "almost" plays shift from a positive to a negative? I'm hoping it's just a case of nerves/adjusting to the NFL, but how many times can a guy just slip and fall, or drop near perfect passes, before we start to question whether maybe he's just not as good as advertised?
I'm not there yet, but he needs to pick up his play soon IMO.
Its beyond ridiculous. It took Achane one game to pop. This guy has had several opportunities and looked average.
Im guessing the Lions will be laughed at for this pick for years to come.
Blick
Footballguy
You'll be correct if DET continues to run him into the middle of the line. He's supposed to be an "Offensive Weapon". He got 2 targets. Either he isn't as advertised or DET has no idea how to use him.
I just read an article that said ATL's game plan was to chip him at line of scrimmage. Thats what happened when he fell on first play. Sounds like nobody could figure out how to counteract that or hes too small to get past line of scrimmage.
Banger
Footballguy
Another situation where I’d be looking to buy wherever I could. Good offense that scores, good talent and opportunity. If he scored a TD this weekend, all would be well. We’re 3 games into his career…maybe they’re concerned about blitz pickups or maybe he doesn’t fully understand the offense and is overthinking things, who knows.
I would happily take a shot to acquire him and if doesn’t work out, so be it. It’s a good bet to take IMO.
I would happily take a shot to acquire him and if doesn’t work out, so be it. It’s a good bet to take IMO.
This particular week I think the Lions were definitely concerned about pass protection given they were without two starting offensive linemen (Decker and Vaitai). In addition, their 2nd string tackle (Nelson) got hurt, then their 3rd string tackle (Skipper) got hurt. The 4th string tackle (Sorsdal) was a 5th round draft pick who played tackle in college but has repped at guard.
I think Craig Reynolds was in on most obvious passing downs because of the above. The line really struggled yesterday in both run blocking and pass protection and there were 4 holding penalties. It was the worst the line has played since 2021 imo.
I don't know why Gibbs was not involved in the passing game. It was much different than most weeks because St. Brown, LaPorta, and Raymond caught all but one pass (Gibbs had the other). Ben Johnson usually spreads the ball around but for some reason he didn't this week.
jurrassic
Footballguy
I would zag and go after Montgomery. You can probably get him cheap.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
At least 24. Mid year next season is when it would likely start to set in for at least 50% of owners if he doesn't meet expectations.
Not saying that will happen though. I actually thought he played ok this week, and thought it was promising he got 17 rushing attempts. If he was 10 or less I would have had more concerns. At least they handed him the rock and he did well enough with 4.7 per touch.
Banger
Footballguy
Great context and this is where real NFL comes into play that disrupts the fantasy value/receptions that a player may have. It’s 3 games into his NFL career. He’ll get his chances and right now there’s a window you can actually buy him before he blows up
Banger
Footballguy
You could but I tend to go for the upside/home run guys…not the Monty/Zeke/Harris’s.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This is starting to feel a little bit like Javonte Williams his rookie year where many believed he was going to bust out every week and it felt like he never had that BIG DAY to separate himself from all the other JAGs in the league.
Gibbs has a lot of talent and they keep calling his number, just hasn't had a ton of success yet.
Gibbs has a lot of talent and they keep calling his number, just hasn't had a ton of success yet.
This does feel a little like that and I had Javonte that year too although its not entirely the same because...
Javonte actually looked great that year and Gibbs has only had one or two dynamic looking plays so far and both those came on opening night. Also, when Javonte did finally get his chance to be a full time back in a game he had a monster game vs KC. Gibbs on the other hand put up a pedestrian game.
Chaka
Footballguy
Interesting comparison to Javonte. Through three games Javonte was 39-138-1 (3.5) with 5-39-0 receiving. Gibbs is 31-139-0 (4.5) with 10-59-0 receiving.
I bought Javonte after week 3 (cost me Claypool). The MG3 usage was frustrating but Javonte's pop was apparent to me from the start. Had to wait a bit to realize his potential but he was serviceable then he had nice run from weeks 9-16.
I am not sure I see the same pop from Gibbs but he's serviceable so far.
Chaka
Footballguy
Javonte did not look that good after 3 weeks but he flashed on a few plays.
gucci little piggy
Footballguy
I didn't watch the whole game, but it seemed like whenever I saw him get the ball it was just a handoff straight up the middle w/o much room. There weren't a lot of plays (that I saw) where they were designing to get him in space, which seems like where he would be most productive. Pretty odd. I remember all the preseason quotes about how they were gonna use him in unpredictable ways, and I haven't seen that yet.
I feel like the usage is more the problem than the talent with Gibbs.
I feel like the usage is more the problem than the talent with Gibbs.
TapRackBang
Footballguy
Monty will be in on passing downs for pass pro, and will likely get all the GL carries.
I hate to say it, but Monty is the back to have in this backfield. Gibbs is clearly talented, but he's not getting enough work.
I hate to say it, but Monty is the back to have in this backfield. Gibbs is clearly talented, but he's not getting enough work.
Banger
Footballguy
I feel this is also a situation where the coach is playing to win the game and not worried/forced to get creative. Banged up line, they had the lead the whole game and Atlanta didn't threaten so from a coaching POV playing a basic run, run, run team like Atlanta you keep it simple and win the game. It sucks for fantasy but it's not always going to be that way.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ridder has to be a Bottom 5 starting QB, especially of most drafted over the last 2-3 seasons, he might develop but the coaching staff has very little faith in him.
I bring him up since ATlanta only totaled 6 points and the speaks to what you are saying about DC not having to be creative, you're right
Banger
Footballguy
no doubt. they don't throw the ball and the Lions were able to contain the run so from Campbell's POV you keep it simple...move the chains, run the clock and don't turn the ball over and you win the game.
Gibbs had 17 carries vs 4 Reynolds & 3 for Knight. I don't have the snap counts but imagine he's got to get the 60+% range. You certainly wanted more out of him with Monty sidelined but the Henry, Bijan, Breece Hall, Jacobs, Harris, etc owners wanted more from their backs as well.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
Starting to feel more like Ted Gin than Chris Johnson.
Chaka
Footballguy
You must have missed the 4th quarter yesterday.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
I’m pretty disappointed that I fell asleep during the game yesterday. But ,from the little I seen and what I’ve read, it seems as if the fall down and the drop might’ve gave Goff some hesitation to look his way. He was open a few times up the sideline and Goff never even looked at him. If they clean that up gibbs could’ve had a very good day. It didn’t happen but he should’ve had 3-5 (including the 3 open plays I seen and the drop/fall) more catches and room to run on almost all of them.
I saw his 21 yard run. It didnt look like anything special to me. He found a nice hole and went down almost immediately on first contact.
This is now the 3rd game in a row Ive heard this. Like the poster said before these are starting to sound more like negatives than positives.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Fantasy owners crying about player usage in games that the player's team won remind me of gamblers calling coaches names because their team won but didn't cover the point spread.
Are people crying about his usage or that he looked mediocre with them? I loved his usage.
Banger
Footballguy
sounds like both
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I was happy with usage and a little troubled by him early but it looked like something clicked maybe just seeing and processing the game in the second half for him, so I'm hoping that is to built on. This is only his third pro game, so as they always say, the speed of the game takes time to get acquainted with
Was that happening in a gambling forum? Because that would make total sense.
Banger
Footballguy
haha, it's my degenerate friends most weekends
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I recall Cordarralle Patterson having the same problem his first few seasons. Patterson isn't small but he couldnt get off the line and struggled to get involved in the passing game because of that.
Also a bit of a gadjet/tweener RB/WR player.
Ditto.
Already own Montgomery and AST Brown too.
Hoping the sentiment I see here is a sign a 1-2 or 0-3 owner maybe willing to deal.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Gibbs is a back up too
If he’s your RB 2, you might make changes.
If he’s your flex, still looks OK but the leash is quite snug pending other options.
Most off the ‘opportunity’ checkboxes are there and there are flashes but some of the plays are just not great. Ran into an immediate tackle for 0 YDs more than I want to see.
Better than Jacob’s at RB1 or Najee at RB2 for sure. DEFCON 2 right now and wishing I had picked up Achane after eyeballing him over and over again
If he’s your flex, still looks OK but the leash is quite snug pending other options.
Most off the ‘opportunity’ checkboxes are there and there are flashes but some of the plays are just not great. Ran into an immediate tackle for 0 YDs more than I want to see.
Better than Jacob’s at RB1 or Najee at RB2 for sure. DEFCON 2 right now and wishing I had picked up Achane after eyeballing him over and over again
A backup with a 3rd round ADP this year. Yikes
This thread has “instant gratification” and “over reaction” written all over it …
it’s been 3 weeks and this was the first game where he actually was able to play a full set of downs to get into some kind of rhythm, and not come in for a play and than get taken out for a mediocre plodder
They also didn’t call anything creative because of the game script where they had the lead all game. Keep the chains moving, and don’t turn the ball over… if anything this is a positive that the Lions will use him to run up the middle a little more when Montgomery comes back. 4.7 yds a carry is pretty good all things considered for that game
If they were losing to Atlanta Gibbs would have got Atleast 5 targets
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So many should have would have could haves it's making my head spin
I guess that's why bijan and Achane and ever other rookie rb that rolled out week 1 has looked like garbage
Banger
Footballguy
Bijan had 30 yards this weekend
