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RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (6 Viewers)

Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
 
Teams off the top of my head that may be in play

Dolphins -duh
Seahawks - Bc Pete is crazy and they have RBs to swap out
Cowboys - bc Jerry loves getting his team in the news
Ravens - maybe they are sick of waiting on Dobbins like the rest of us
Chiefs -bc why not
 
Painting this as something to do with greed is wildly off base to me.

meno, the salary cap itself is a function of owners worth billions of dollars artificially setting a ceiling on the marketplace for labor. It is greed.

I have no side to take, nor bone to pick, but looking at it like an economist would, there is no supply and demand market for labor like in the rest of the world. There's basically a monopoly and monopsony, and nobody gets paid what they're worth because of market distortions in the name of franchise fairness and keeping costs down for the "lower revenue" franchises.

It's a distorted market right away with the draft, and continues to be so under the CBA. Courts haven't gotten in the way only because the league makes compelling arguments that the restriction on labor is necessary for league survival. That and other technical legal doctrines that I forget right now.

A good sports lawyer would know why they're not in violation of basic anti-trust and laws that ensure eighteen year olds have the right to seek employment without artificial barriers to their procuring of said employment, but I don't at the moment even though I took Sports Law in law school. I've forgotten the technical arguments of law behind the courts' reasoning.

1. Each team is considered a separate business entity operating under a unified governing body. This is evident by the difference in the costs to attend games. The NFL doesn't price fix, it allows the teams to operate and set prices they deem adequate. I think Atlanta does this thing with really cheap concessions but in Philly I'm paying $20 for chicken fingers, fries and a soda. I know tickets to the Raiders game were like $500 in the nosebleeds (when I was looking to see the Eagles play them), but I pay $125 in Philly for like seats.

2. The salary cap and age restrictions are collectively bargained for.
 
Painting this as something to do with greed is wildly off base to me.

meno, the salary cap itself is a function of owners worth billions of dollars artificially setting a ceiling on the marketplace for labor. It is greed.

I have no side to take, nor bone to pick, but looking at it like an economist would, there is no supply and demand market for labor like in the rest of the world. There's basically a monopoly and monopsony, and nobody gets paid what they're worth because of market distortions in the name of franchise fairness and keeping costs down for the "lower revenue" franchises.

It's a distorted market right away with the draft, and continues to be so under the CBA. Courts haven't gotten in the way only because the league makes compelling arguments that the restriction on labor is necessary for league survival. That and other technical legal doctrines that I forget right now.

A good sports lawyer would know why they're not in violation of basic anti-trust and laws that ensure eighteen year olds have the right to seek employment without artificial barriers to their procuring of said employment.

I also disagree, I think the leagues with salary cap like NBA and NFL are way better than leagues like MLB and premier league. If you get rid of the salary cap then only the richest owners would win and half the teams would have no chance due to lack of money.

I miss when the NHL didn't have a cap. The Flyers used to just buy players and give away draft picks to get players. Nearly every year they had a shot at going deep in the playoffs. Now I can't even watch a Flyers game because they've done such a bad job managing the cap and the draft becomes that much more important.
 
The Franchise tag was implimented a long time ago when the NFL changed its free agency rules to what its been for a couple decades now. It used to be hard for players to become free agents at all before then, and teams wanted a way to have some control of their best players jumping to other teams.

I think this reasoning is pretty antiquated now by comparison and teams use it more to get around giving their players better long term contracts, than to keep those players with the team their entire career.

I consider it more of a loophole than how it was originally intended.

But the CBA agreed to keep it so yeah thats on them.

As usual this ends up hurting players at the RB position more than other positions.
 
Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
No way the Colts do that deal.
Miami's "tradeable" assets are Ogbah, picks, Cedrick wilson (who the colts do not need) and that's about it. They likely will give the colts one of their backs when they make the move (except the two rookies bc lets face it, if they get JT the rest of the room is minimum guys or rookies). So that means Mosert, Wilson, Ahmed or Gaskin (not as a "chip" but more as a throw back for cap relief). of those 4 I think Mosert and wilson have the same cap numbers.
 
Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
No way the Colts do that deal.
Miami's "tradeable" assets are Ogbah, picks, Cedrick wilson (who the colts do not need) and that's about it. They likely will give the colts one of their backs when they make the move (except the two rookies bc lets face it, if they get JT the rest of the room is minimum guys or rookies). So that means Mosert, Wilson, Ahmed or Gaskin (not as a "chip" but more as a throw back for cap relief). of those 4 I think Mosert and wilson have the same cap numbers.
The Colts probably have no interest in any of their RBs and certainly no interest in someone like Cedrick Wilson. Sounds a lot like let me trade you a bunch of our junk for your good player. It sounds more like spoken from a fantasy football guy.
 
Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
No way the Colts do that deal.
Miami's "tradeable" assets are Ogbah, picks, Cedrick wilson (who the colts do not need) and that's about it. They likely will give the colts one of their backs when they make the move (except the two rookies bc lets face it, if they get JT the rest of the room is minimum guys or rookies). So that means Mosert, Wilson, Ahmed or Gaskin (not as a "chip" but more as a throw back for cap relief). of those 4 I think Mosert and wilson have the same cap numbers.
The Colts probably have no interest in any of their RBs and certainly no interest in someone like Cedrick Wilson. Sounds a lot like let me trade you a bunch of our junk for your good player. It sounds more like spoken from a fantasy football guy.
i bet they'd be interested in achane
 
Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
No way the Colts do that deal.
Miami's "tradeable" assets are Ogbah, picks, Cedrick wilson (who the colts do not need) and that's about it. They likely will give the colts one of their backs when they make the move (except the two rookies bc lets face it, if they get JT the rest of the room is minimum guys or rookies). So that means Mosert, Wilson, Ahmed or Gaskin (not as a "chip" but more as a throw back for cap relief). of those 4 I think Mosert and wilson have the same cap numbers.
The Colts probably have no interest in any of their RBs and certainly no interest in someone like Cedrick Wilson. Sounds a lot like let me trade you a bunch of our junk for your good player. It sounds more like spoken from a fantasy football guy.
i bet they'd be interested in achane
Maybe. I probably should have said "any of the RBs listed".
 
Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
No way the Colts do that deal.
Miami's "tradeable" assets are Ogbah, picks, Cedrick wilson (who the colts do not need) and that's about it. They likely will give the colts one of their backs when they make the move (except the two rookies bc lets face it, if they get JT the rest of the room is minimum guys or rookies). So that means Mosert, Wilson, Ahmed or Gaskin (not as a "chip" but more as a throw back for cap relief). of those 4 I think Mosert and wilson have the same cap numbers.
The Colts probably have no interest in any of their RBs and certainly no interest in someone like Cedrick Wilson. Sounds a lot like let me trade you a bunch of our junk for your good player. It sounds more like spoken from a fantasy football guy.
i bet they'd be interested in achane
Maybe. I probably should have said "any of the RBs listed".

As a Colts fan, what do you expect to get in return for Taylor? IMO, a 2024 2nd and 2025 conditional 4th that turns into a 3rd if JT re-signs with the team would probably be about what I'd would expect to get in return. Something slightly less than what CMC returned.
 
Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
No way the Colts do that deal.
Miami's "tradeable" assets are Ogbah, picks, Cedrick wilson (who the colts do not need) and that's about it. They likely will give the colts one of their backs when they make the move (except the two rookies bc lets face it, if they get JT the rest of the room is minimum guys or rookies). So that means Mosert, Wilson, Ahmed or Gaskin (not as a "chip" but more as a throw back for cap relief). of those 4 I think Mosert and wilson have the same cap numbers.
The Colts probably have no interest in any of their RBs and certainly no interest in someone like Cedrick Wilson. Sounds a lot like let me trade you a bunch of our junk for your good player. It sounds more like spoken from a fantasy football guy.
i bet they'd be interested in achane
Maybe. I probably should have said "any of the RBs listed".

As a Colts fan, what do you expect to get in return for Taylor? IMO, a 2024 2nd and 2025 conditional 4th that turns into a 3rd if JT re-signs with the team would probably be about what I'd would expect to get in return. Something slightly less than what CMC returned.
If not a 1st, then a collection of picks that equate to a 1st. Or perhaps a very good player and some combination of picks.
 
I dont think the Colts have much leverage here. Their dumb**** owner took it all away when he inferred that JT was some sort of indentured servant. I think Colts fans expecting a haul for a RB that the owner has totally offended and alienated are in for a rude awakening.

Jeff Wilson may not have much trade value but the Colts need someone to carry the rock and hes an upgrade over every other back on their roster. Ogbah is a good player who will be better in a 4-3 than he is in the Fins 3-4. The 3rd and 5th is good comp to add on there in this situation. Yes its a great deal for Miami, but the Colts are not going to pay JT and JT wants to get paid. If they valued him they would extend him. The fact that they wont screams to the world that they dont think he is worth it - so why would anyone pony up a haul for a player that the owner vocally does not value?

Add to that a depressed market for RBs overall and very few teams in need of one, and you take what you can get from the one team that needs one enough to make the move. I dont get the sense that the relationship is repairable.

Sucks for Colts fans, but this is the reality as I see it.
 
Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
No way the Colts do that deal.
Miami's "tradeable" assets are Ogbah, picks, Cedrick wilson (who the colts do not need) and that's about it. They likely will give the colts one of their backs when they make the move (except the two rookies bc lets face it, if they get JT the rest of the room is minimum guys or rookies). So that means Mosert, Wilson, Ahmed or Gaskin (not as a "chip" but more as a throw back for cap relief). of those 4 I think Mosert and wilson have the same cap numbers.
The Colts probably have no interest in any of their RBs and certainly no interest in someone like Cedrick Wilson. Sounds a lot like let me trade you a bunch of our junk for your good player. It sounds more like spoken from a fantasy football guy.
i bet they'd be interested in achane
Maybe. I probably should have said "any of the RBs listed".

As a Colts fan, what do you expect to get in return for Taylor? IMO, a 2024 2nd and 2025 conditional 4th that turns into a 3rd if JT re-signs with the team would probably be about what I'd would expect to get in return. Something slightly less than what CMC returned.
If not a 1st, then a collection of picks that equate to a 1st. Or perhaps a very good player and some combination of picks.
So you're essentially saying he won't be traded.
 
Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
No way the Colts do that deal.
Miami's "tradeable" assets are Ogbah, picks, Cedrick wilson (who the colts do not need) and that's about it. They likely will give the colts one of their backs when they make the move (except the two rookies bc lets face it, if they get JT the rest of the room is minimum guys or rookies). So that means Mosert, Wilson, Ahmed or Gaskin (not as a "chip" but more as a throw back for cap relief). of those 4 I think Mosert and wilson have the same cap numbers.
The Colts probably have no interest in any of their RBs and certainly no interest in someone like Cedrick Wilson. Sounds a lot like let me trade you a bunch of our junk for your good player. It sounds more like spoken from a fantasy football guy.
i bet they'd be interested in achane
Maybe. I probably should have said "any of the RBs listed".

As a Colts fan, what do you expect to get in return for Taylor? IMO, a 2024 2nd and 2025 conditional 4th that turns into a 3rd if JT re-signs with the team would probably be about what I'd would expect to get in return. Something slightly less than what CMC returned.
If not a 1st, then a collection of picks that equate to a 1st. Or perhaps a very good player and some combination of picks.
So you're essentially saying he won't be traded.
Nope, that is not what I am saying. I get the meaning of your post however.
 
Calling this trade right now based on absolutely nothing:

Miami gets JT

Colts get Jeff Wilson/Ogbah/2024 3rd/2024 5th

ETA: No idea if Miami has a 2024 3rd or 5th. If not roll them to 2025.
No way the Colts do that deal.
Miami's "tradeable" assets are Ogbah, picks, Cedrick wilson (who the colts do not need) and that's about it. They likely will give the colts one of their backs when they make the move (except the two rookies bc lets face it, if they get JT the rest of the room is minimum guys or rookies). So that means Mosert, Wilson, Ahmed or Gaskin (not as a "chip" but more as a throw back for cap relief). of those 4 I think Mosert and wilson have the same cap numbers.
The Colts probably have no interest in any of their RBs and certainly no interest in someone like Cedrick Wilson. Sounds a lot like let me trade you a bunch of our junk for your good player. It sounds more like spoken from a fantasy football guy.
i bet they'd be interested in achane
Maybe. I probably should have said "any of the RBs listed".

As a Colts fan, what do you expect to get in return for Taylor? IMO, a 2024 2nd and 2025 conditional 4th that turns into a 3rd if JT re-signs with the team would probably be about what I'd would expect to get in return. Something slightly less than what CMC returned.
If not a 1st, then a collection of picks that equate to a 1st. Or perhaps a very good player and some combination of picks.
I do not disagree with you, and personally I am less high on Miami trading for JT than leaving well enough alone and going with the group they have "UNLESS" they get a decent deal for JT. Irsay can't have it both ways. Eitehr JT is worth a lot so pay him accordingly or he isn't and therefore not worth a 1st rounder (real or in the aggregate). Miami also doesn't have that many picks as they have mortgaged a lot of their future on spots more important than a 14 mil a year RB (which oh by the way they need to pony up for).

Colts aren't going anywhere this year so I'd rather them keep the headache and deal with it than miami bail them out and give them a decent amount of draft capital to do so.
 
I dont think the Colts have much leverage here. Their dumb**** owner took it all away when he inferred that JT was some sort of indentured servant. I think Colts fans expecting a haul for a RB that the owner has totally offended and alienated are in for a rude awakening.

Jeff Wilson may not have much trade value but the Colts need someone to carry the rock and hes an upgrade over every other back on their roster. Ogbah is a good player who will be better in a 4-3 than he is in the Fins 3-4. The 3rd and 5th is good comp to add on there in this situation. Yes its a great deal for Miami, but the Colts are not going to pay JT and JT wants to get paid. If they valued him they would extend him. The fact that they wont screams to the world that they dont think he is worth it - so why would anyone pony up a haul for a player that the owner vocally does not value?

Add to that a depressed market for RBs overall and very few teams in need of one, and you take what you can get from the one team that needs one enough to make the move. I dont get the sense that the relationship is repairable.

Sucks for Colts fans, but this is the reality as I see it.
I believe you are wrong thinking the Colts don't have leverage. They have plenty of leverage. JT is under contract and they can either play him or trade him and should not accept a bad trade IMO, because when they lose him to free agency next year they probably will get a 3rd round compensation pick anyway.
 
Nope, that is not what I am saying. I get the meaning of your post however.
Johnny, Honest question as a fan: what would you consider a "fair" deal considering how much Irsay screwed this up? If they got a 3rd in 2024 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 woulld that be fair, low, or high? I think a 2 plus a conditional 3rd in 2025 is too much. Not trolling, just wat the "well, I guesss that was as good as we could have goten for this mess" from you.
 
I think at this point Irsay has made the situation into one that will be a distraction and bring negativity to a team looking to rebrand their franchise with a shiny new toy at QB. I think at this point they have to trade him. Just the opinion of some shmo on his couch, but thats my opinion.

Problem for him is that the league no longer values the position (including him), and very few teams need/can find or want to find the cap space for a $12M/yr deal on a RB. That shrinks his market dramatically.

Just my opinion. I dont know $hit.
 
Nope, that is not what I am saying. I get the meaning of your post however.
Johnny, Honest question as a fan: what would you consider a "fair" deal considering how much Irsay screwed this up? If they got a 3rd in 2024 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 woulld that be fair, low, or high? I think a 2 plus a conditional 3rd in 2025 is too much. Not trolling, just wat the "well, I guesss that was as good as we could have goten for this mess" from you.
No, that isn't good enough. Regardless what Irsay said on Twitter, that doesn't change JT's value. If I were the Colts I wouldn't trade him unless I got what equates to a first round pick. If that means a collection of picks and not a 1st, so be it. Otherwise, just keep him and get a compensatory pick next year anyway. Probably a 3rd, and play him this year.
 
Be prepared for a ton of nagging minor injuries and a total lack of reliability if they keep him. As a fantasy owner, it would be the absolute worst case scenario. It wont be a good scenario for the Colts either.

The mess is made. You cant unmake it. You have to find a way to clean it up now.
 
Nope, that is not what I am saying. I get the meaning of your post however.
Johnny, Honest question as a fan: what would you consider a "fair" deal considering how much Irsay screwed this up? If they got a 3rd in 2024 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 woulld that be fair, low, or high? I think a 2 plus a conditional 3rd in 2025 is too much. Not trolling, just wat the "well, I guesss that was as good as we could have goten for this mess" from you.
No, that isn't good enough. Regardless what Irsay said on Twitter, that doesn't change JT's value. If I were the Colts I wouldn't trade him unless I got what equates to a first round pick. If that means a collection of picks and not a 1st, so be it. Otherwise, just keep him and get a compensatory pick next year anyway. Probably a 3rd, and play him this year.
Ok. So no "We screwed the pooch" discount on Taylor. I doubt a deal gets done that will be to your liking. As a dolphin fan I don't think a first round aggregate is worth it unless we get to trade some cap relief back or its the 2025 pick that is the higher one.
 
Be prepared for a ton of nagging minor injuries and a total lack of reliability if they keep him. As a fantasy owner, it would be the absolute worst case scenario. It wont be a good scenario for the Colts either.

The mess is made. You cant unmake it. You have to find a way to clean it up now.
All it takes is two teams that want him.
 
Be prepared for a ton of nagging minor injuries and a total lack of reliability if they keep him. As a fantasy owner, it would be the absolute worst case scenario. It wont be a good scenario for the Colts either.

The mess is made. You cant unmake it. You have to find a way to clean it up now.
I agree with this take. The Dalvin cook scenario all over again. Dalvin still rehabbing the shoulder for a win now team like the jets. Taylors injury better be of the "hellenic college Flu" variety if we trade for him.
 
Be prepared for a ton of nagging minor injuries and a total lack of reliability if they keep him. As a fantasy owner, it would be the absolute worst case scenario. It wont be a good scenario for the Colts either.

The mess is made. You cant unmake it. You have to find a way to clean it up now.
All it takes is two teams that want him.
I think Miami has a number in mind just like they did with Dalvin. Granted its a bigger number now bc its Taylor, but I don't think they budge off that number. Taylor is a luxury.
 
Be prepared for a ton of nagging minor injuries and a total lack of reliability if they keep him. As a fantasy owner, it would be the absolute worst case scenario. It wont be a good scenario for the Colts either.

The mess is made. You cant unmake it. You have to find a way to clean it up now.
All it takes is two teams that want him.
I think Miami has a number in mind just like they did with Dalvin. Granted its a bigger number now bc its Taylor, but I don't think they budge off that number. Taylor is a luxury.
How is Taylor just a luxury? It's not as if the Miami RBs are that great, plus Achane is hurt. I have my doubts about his durability anyway due to size. You vastly overvalue your favorite team's RBs IMO.
 
I am a Fins fan and honestly I dont love the idea of paying a RB that kind of money. Those contracts almost never work out. However, he may be the one RB in the NFL that I would be OK with due to age and skillset. But the truth is that the money is better spent on the OL than the RB. And NFL teams seem to have figured this out.

All Irsay had to do was not be a **** and the Colts would have been in control here.
 
I am a Fins fan and honestly I dont love the idea of paying a RB that kind of money. Those contracts almost never work out. However, he may be the one RB in the NFL that I would be OK with due to age and skillset. But the truth is that the money is better spent on the OL than the RB. And NFL teams seem to have figured this out.

All Irsay had to do was not be a **** and the Colts would have been in control here.
That's where you are off base. The Colts are in control. Taylor is under contract and they will get a comp pick next year anyway. Just play him if a trade can't be worked out. Like I said, all it takes is two teams that want him for the Colts to get what they want.
 
Be prepared for a ton of nagging minor injuries and a total lack of reliability if they keep him. As a fantasy owner, it would be the absolute worst case scenario. It wont be a good scenario for the Colts either.

The mess is made. You cant unmake it. You have to find a way to clean it up now.
All it takes is two teams that want him.
I think Miami has a number in mind just like they did with Dalvin. Granted its a bigger number now bc its Taylor, but I don't think they budge off that number. Taylor is a luxury.
How is Taylor just a luxury? It's not as if the Miami RBs are that great, plus Achane is hurt. I have my doubts about his durability anyway due to size. You vastly overvalue your favorite team's RBs IMO.
Miami has 4 guys who are the same on a team that is built to pass. I know McDaniel is a run guy but he did that in SF with Deebo not a star RB. Taylor is a luxury for this team bc if they really thought they needed a RB Dalvin wanted to be a Dolphin adn they could have had him just for cash, not picks. Taylor is better and that is why they are in the mix, but again, they are contenders with him or without him.
 
I dont. We have mediocre RBs, but show me a team with a dominant RB that has won it all since Beast Mode. The position is completely devalued. Isaiah Pacheco, Jerrick McKinnon, and Cam Akers have rings. Zeke, Gurley, Henry, CMC, Chubb - not one among them. You can win in the NFL with a mediocre RB.

But I still want JT...
 
Sure, they control where JT can play this year and Irsay may be enough of an asshat to sacrifice what is best for the team to appease his ego, but they have lost control of this situation and IMO their best bet is to end it, and move on with their new face of the franchise.

Keeping JT against his will is NOT a decision that is in the team's best interests.
 
I dont. We have mediocre RBs, but show me a team with a dominant RB that has won it all since Beast Mode. The position is completely devalued. Isaiah Pacheco, Jerrick McKinnon, and Cam Akers have rings. Zeke, Gurley, Henry, CMC, Chubb - not one among them. You can win in the NFL with a mediocre RB.

But I still want JT...
You Dolphin fans want him but want him on the cheap. I'm not saying the Colts will get what they want, but I'm sure they don't want a bunch of garbage players and a 3rd round pick either. That sounds like a fantasy football trade offer from "that guy" in your league that offers you a bunch of crap for your stud and when you decline, he says, "counter?".
 
I dont dispute any of what you said. All true. But they put themselves into this corner, so they will take what they can get, or make the even worse decision of forcing a player to play for a team and an owner he despises.

If they have to trade him for a 3rd and some scraps, blame your owner. He royally screwed this up.
 
Yes its a great deal for Miami, but the Colts are not going to pay JT and JT wants to get paid.

I think it's hard for us fantasy guys to wrap our heads around this part of the equation. When we trade players on our fantasy teams, we trade for the player only. When these same names are traded in real life, it's the contract that is traded. Right now, Jonathan Taylor essentially has a busted contract. Yes, the Colts have control over it for the next three years... Sort of... To exert that control by force, they would need to deal with the headache of a majorly disgruntled star player and everything that entails for a locker room and culture. That is the same dynamic for any new team as well. It's the same issue the Raiders are currently facing with Josh Jacobs.

So the calculus then must change from the perspective of the team trading for him. They aren't trading for just John Taylor. They are trading for him AND his projected new contract, which by most accounts needs to be the sort of bank-breaking RB deal we know all teams seem to want to avoid. Now is THAT worth a 1st rounder? I don't expect that it's worth anything close. My best guess is the bidding starts at mid-roundish capital (equivalent to a top-end comp pick) and only heats up if multiple teams bid each other up, but even then, how many of them are truly lining up significant capital in order to have the right to significantly bind their next 3-4 yrs of cap into an RB?

And all of the above compounds if there are any lingering issues with his ankle health. Are there? Colts fans are assuming he is playing games with that injury in order to gain some negotiating leverage. But what if he isn't and actually is still feeling that injury to some degree? If I am a team trading for him, that would be a pretty big red flag, given the time since and the new contract demand that comes embedded in any deal. This **** is way more complicated than just 'JT for a first, take my money!'
 
It'll be more than a 3rd and scraps. A 2nd and something to bolster. Maybe a player or two and/or an extra conditional pick that can go higher based on meeting conditions. And the colts should take it. Not a first but that's a pipedream considering the team trading for him has to pay him
 
Philly would be exciting and make sense for their team. Plus I’d be able to drop sermon. So win-win
You have my permission to drop Sermon right now.
With penny and swift ahead of him I think I’ll hold a bit longer. Besides, not ready to admit I was wrong with my late first round pick just yet lol
Fair but, if that is your reasoning you might want to add Kareem Hunt & Leonard Fournette to your team too.

Oh, and Gainwell is also well in front of him.
If they were free agents I sure would. But why would you direct me to add them? They have absolutely nothing to do with sermon , swift or penny. Lots of rb3/4 are rostered across all leagues im in. With two not so durable rbs in the way this is the type of depth rb one would like to stash , no?
Not being critical. I just don't think Sermon would be in any kind of feature role even if Swift and Penny went down. I think they would dust off a veteran RB from the scrap heap and Sermon would be competing with that back for touches behind Gainwell.
I agree with Chaka in regards to Sermon. Even in a super deep league I dont think he is worth rostering as there are other long shots that could be rostered instead.

I would prefer a mystery box player with better path to opportunity over Sermon who I think we know by now is not very good.
It is slim Pickens on the ww. Atm there’s around 540 players rostered. Not much left
:shock: 540?

Does your league have a television contract? Because you should be getting paid to participate in a league like that.

I guess, keeping Sermon makes more sense now.
10 team league. 50 man rosters bumped up to 55 short term to make space for draft picks. Cuts are due soon so maybe something better than sermon pops up. Right now there’s really only a few dart throw wrs and idps out there. Super deep league
 
Maybe...but remember that Dalvin Cook had a soft market for no trade comp and about 75% of what Taylor will be paid per year. Yes he is older and yes he has some legal concerns, but the only teams that expressed interest were the Jets who got him, the Pats who signed Zeke, and the Fins who stayed pat. Nobody else was even in. So where is any other interest going to come from? Founrnette and Hunt are still out there for basically free. I realize they are not in the same league as far as value, but it speaks to the positional value.

It sucks if you are a Colts fan. It really does. But look at the facts above. They tell the story. Low demand = low comp. If Irsay hadnt destroyed the relationship the easy answer would be to hold his feet to the fire and assume he will play under the tag and play well. I dont think he can make that assumption anymore. JT is not going to sacrifice himself for an owner who publicly dissed him.
 
Maybe...but remember that Dalvin Cook had a soft market for no trade comp and about 75% of what Taylor will be paid per year. Yes he is older and yes he has some legal concerns, but the only teams that expressed interest were the Jets who got him, the Pats who signed Zeke, and the Fins who stayed pat. Nobody else was even in. So where is any other interest going to come from? Founrnette and Hunt are still out there for basically free. I realize they are not in the same league as far as value, but it speaks to the positional value.

It sucks if you are a Colts fan. It really does. But look at the facts above. They tell the story. Low demand = low comp. If Irsay hadnt destroyed the relationship the easy answer would be to hold his feet to the fire and assume he will play under the tag and play well. I dont think he can make that assumption anymore. JT is not going to sacrifice himself for an owner who publicly dissed him.
Will you quit making a big deal of Irsay. JT is under contract, he has a lot more value than Dalvin Cook for a team that covets him for more than one year. JT will either get traded, play, or sit. I doubt the latter because it’s not as if he’s made a boatload of money, he’s still on his rookie contract.
 
Sorry...but to me the Irsay part is pretty important.

Just speaking for Miami - they are in a 2 year window. Yes, JT is more valuable than Dalvin but to a team in a 2 year window its not that big of a difference and the fact that they could have had him for $4-5M less per year with no trade comp does tell a story. As does the fact that the only other teams that were in on Dalvin either got him or got Zeke.
 
That's where you are off base. The Colts are in control. Taylor is under contract and they will get a comp pick next year anyway. Just play him if a trade can't be worked out. Like I said, all it takes is two teams that want him for the Colts to get what they want.
You keep saying this but it isn't true. They might get a comp pick, only if they don't sign other free agents that offset it, and it wouldn't be until the following year if they did get one.
 
That's where you are off base. The Colts are in control. Taylor is under contract and they will get a comp pick next year anyway. Just play him if a trade can't be worked out. Like I said, all it takes is two teams that want him for the Colts to get what they want.
You keep saying this but it isn't true. They might get a comp pick, only if they don't sign other free agents that offset it, and it wouldn't be until the following year if they did get one.
Ballard isn one that signs big name FAs
 
Sorry...but to me the Irsay part is pretty important.

Just speaking for Miami - they are in a 2 year window. Yes, JT is more valuable than Dalvin but to a team in a 2 year window its not that big of a difference and the fact that they could have had him for $4-5M less per year with no trade comp does tell a story. As does the fact that the only other teams that were in on Dalvin either got him or got Zeke.
I have a feeling several teams are interested in JT and it only takes two of them to get into a bidding war.
 
Maybe...but remember that Dalvin Cook had a soft market for no trade comp and about 75% of what Taylor will be paid per year. Yes he is older and yes he has some legal concerns, but the only teams that expressed interest were the Jets who got him, the Pats who signed Zeke, and the Fins who stayed pat. Nobody else was even in. So where is any other interest going to come from? Founrnette and Hunt are still out there for basically free. I realize they are not in the same league as far as value, but it speaks to the positional value.

It sucks if you are a Colts fan. It really does. But look at the facts above. They tell the story. Low demand = low comp. If Irsay hadnt destroyed the relationship the easy answer would be to hold his feet to the fire and assume he will play under the tag and play well. I dont think he can make that assumption anymore. JT is not going to sacrifice himself for an owner who publicly dissed him.
Will you quit making a big deal of Irsay. JT is under contract, he has a lot more value than Dalvin Cook for a team that covets him for more than one year. JT will either get traded, play, or sit. I doubt the latter because it’s not as if he’s made a boatload of money, he’s still on his rookie contract.
JT can have a lingering calf injury or not play though anything and you still have to pay him. He can also be a bit of a cancer and they still have to pay him. He can Ole a block for richardson and they still have to pay him.
 
Maybe...but remember that Dalvin Cook had a soft market for no trade comp and about 75% of what Taylor will be paid per year. Yes he is older and yes he has some legal concerns, but the only teams that expressed interest were the Jets who got him, the Pats who signed Zeke, and the Fins who stayed pat. Nobody else was even in. So where is any other interest going to come from? Founrnette and Hunt are still out there for basically free. I realize they are not in the same league as far as value, but it speaks to the positional value.

It sucks if you are a Colts fan. It really does. But look at the facts above. They tell the story. Low demand = low comp. If Irsay hadnt destroyed the relationship the easy answer would be to hold his feet to the fire and assume he will play under the tag and play well. I dont think he can make that assumption anymore. JT is not going to sacrifice himself for an owner who publicly dissed him.
Will you quit making a big deal of Irsay. JT is under contract, he has a lot more value than Dalvin Cook for a team that covets him for more than one year. JT will either get traded, play, or sit. I doubt the latter because it’s not as if he’s made a boatload of money, he’s still on his rookie contract.
JT can have a lingering calf injury or not play though anything and you still have to pay him. He can also be a bit of a cancer and they still have to pay him. He can Ole a block for richardson and they still have to pay him.
They can say don’t come into the office. Sit on your couch and watch the game or buy a ticket. I‘m sure the Colts don’t mind paying that contact either. He’s still on his rookie contract. As for the ankle, my guess is that he is Ok and would pass a physical in the event of a trade.
 
Maybe. Doesnt sound like thats the case but who knows.

I am not trying to be combative. I am a die hard Orioles fan so if you follow baseball at all you understand that I can relate to rooting for a team with a douchebag owner. It sucks. I feel for Colts fans here. Some billionaire that has no idea what life is actually like for 99.9% of people making decisions that impact our happiness. When you have a bad one, it truly sucks.
 
Maybe. Doesnt sound like thats the case but who knows.

I am not trying to be combative. I am a die hard Orioles fan so if you follow baseball at all you understand that I can relate to rooting for a team with a douchebag owner. It sucks. I feel for Colts fans here. Some billionaire that has no idea what life is actually like for 99.9% of people making decisions that impact our happiness. When you have a bad one, it truly sucks.
Irsay was pretty smart with the hiring of Bill Polian and Tony Dungy and drafting Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. I also like current GM Ballard and HC. How quickly we forget. Irsay is a knowledgeable football guy.
 

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