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RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (4 Viewers)

rockaction said:
Hunt isn't going anywhere, for sure. I'm avoiding Chubb in my drafts because of it.  
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Yep, give me Taylor in the mid 3rd over Chubb in the mid 2nd. It sucks too because Hunt and Chubb are so fun to watch and so talented. It would have been much more fun if Hunt had ended up in Atlanta or Arizona this year. 

 
Copy & paste from Rotoworld

The Athletic's Stephen Holder said Colts RB Jonathan Taylor is "a candidate to contribute in the passing game" this season. 

The rookie caught a touchdown in Monday's scrimmage after dropping two passes out of the backfield at Saturday's scrimmage. Nyheim Hines should see a fair amount of pass catching involvement in the Colts' offense. Still, Holder believes Taylor will see at least some of the pass catching opportunity out of the Indianapolis backfield this year. "Considering Rivers’ propensity for throwing the ball to running backs, it would be surprising if Taylor wasn’t somewhat a factor as a receiver out of the backfield," Holder said. One or two impressive early-season outings and Taylor has a chance to run away with the Colts' starting job. 

RELATED: Nyheim Hines
SOURCE: The Athletic
Sep 1, 2020, 8:12 AM ET
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Is this considered good reporting?  Some player may catch some passes, maybe?  Perhaps Rivers is also a candidate to contribute in the passing game?

 
I don't agree with what seems to be the consensus that Taylor runs away with this job. Barring injury, I think they both play a lot and often. Add Hines to the mix and I think this situation is going to disappoint most players. 

 
TheWinz said:
Copy & paste from Rotoworld

The Athletic's Stephen Holder said Colts RB Jonathan Taylor is "a candidate to contribute in the passing game" this season. 

The rookie caught a touchdown in Monday's scrimmage after dropping two passes out of the backfield at Saturday's scrimmage. Nyheim Hines should see a fair amount of pass catching involvement in the Colts' offense. Still, Holder believes Taylor will see at least some of the pass catching opportunity out of the Indianapolis backfield this year. "Considering Rivers’ propensity for throwing the ball to running backs, it would be surprising if Taylor wasn’t somewhat a factor as a receiver out of the backfield," Holder said. One or two impressive early-season outings and Taylor has a chance to run away with the Colts' starting job. 

RELATED: Nyheim Hines
SOURCE: The Athletic
Sep 1, 2020, 8:12 AM ET
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Is this considered good reporting?  Some player may catch some passes, maybe?  Perhaps Rivers is also a candidate to contribute in the passing game?
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It didn't say some player, may, or maybe.  It said "contribute".  Considering that's the one thing that may, maybe separate CEH from Taylor is Taylor's involvement in the passing game, I'd say it's very important insight if it comes to fruition.  Maybe you're just feeling uptight.

 
Hankmoody said:
It didn't say some player, may, or maybe.  It said "contribute".  Considering that's the one thing that may, maybe separate CEH from Taylor is Taylor's involvement in the passing game, I'd say it's very important insight if it comes to fruition.  Maybe you're just feeling uptight.
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I just found it comical when a sports reporter said a RB was a candidate to contribute in the passing game.  All RB's are candidates to contribute in the passing game.  This was not news.  Now, if the reporter would've spit out a number of receptions, that would be something different..

 
TheWinz said:
I just found it comical when a sports reporter said a RB was a candidate to contribute in the passing game.  All RB's are candidates to contribute in the passing game.  This was not news.  Now, if the reporter would've spit out a number of receptions, that would be something different..
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That's not news either.

 
Fell to me at 6.05 in a 12T PPR last night and I couldn't ignore the value any longer. 
 

I'm not sold on him being a reliable contributor in the first half of the Fantasy regular season (weeks 1-6), but I could see him posting decent RB1 or high RB2 in the 2nd half and/or playoffs.

Have him behind Henry / Jacobs in start 1RB / 1FLX so I don't necessarily NEED him, but I'm hoping he's in the drivers seat by the time their byes roll around in weeks 6/7. 

 
Anyone rolling him out confidently week 1?  I have both he and Mack and going with Mack unless I hear some new news in his favor.

 
C-Bound said:
Anyone rolling him out confidently week 1?  I have both he and Mack and going with Mack unless I hear some new news in his favor.
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Absolutely. I'm not benching better options so my confidence is sort of irrelevant. But he is a playmaker they drafted to make plays and be their RB. I drafted him to start in my lineup too. I guess if the question is specifically for dynasty where maybe you do have better options, then no. For example, I'm going with Kamara, Mixon and Aaron Jones first in one of two dynasties I own Taylor. The other one I am starting him along with Conner and Dobbins in a flex. That team (was) thin at RB.

 
Marlon Mack-Jonathan Taylor RB tandem fits Colts, not fantasy football

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Mack will be the Week 1 starter at Jacksonville. Reich has repeatedly said he deserves to be that guy. There will be plenty of opportunities for touches for Taylor because, as All-Pro guard Quenton Nelson wears on his hat, the Colts like to "run the damn ball." They finished seventh in the league in rushing in 2019, and could finish higher this season with the addition of Taylor to go with Mack, Nyheim Hines and Jordan Wilkinsand the return of the entire starting offensive line.

“We’re going to continue to take the same approach that we have -- where it’s week in and week out, hot hand and all those things,” Reich said. “We’re expecting a big year from all of our backs but in particular, Marlon. He looks good. I feel good about how the backs complement each other. I really do. I feel like that’s a strong room for us. I feel like those guys are very unselfish. They are in it for each other. Marlon needs to be a leader -- the way he plays and we expect him to do that.”

Having versatility is a major positive for Colts quarterback Philip Rivers. Having that much talent and depth at that position means he won’t have to carry the offense with his right arm, and when he wants to throw, Rivers enjoys turning to his backs. He completed 148 passes to running backs with the Chargers last season. The Colts only completed 70 passes to their running backs last season.

Taylor has the advantage in the pass-catching area because he had 26 receptions for 252 yards and five touchdowns last season at Wisconsin. Hines is the primary pass-catching back for the Colts because he can also line up out wide to take advantage of his speed. He had 44 receptions for 320 yards last season.
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Marlon Mack will be the ‘starter’ in week one; however, I fully expect to see Taylor with a decent amount of touches - with a focus on some passes thrown his way to take advantage of his pass catching skills.

 
Colts are currently listed as 7.5 points favourite over Jacksonville with a 45 point over/under.

There will be opportunities for both Mack and Taylor to have quality fantasy football output in week 1.

 
C-Bound said:
Anyone rolling him out confidently week 1?  I have both he and Mack and going with Mack unless I hear some new news in his favor.
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Starting confidently over Dobbins, starting over Jeudy with Mack in the lineup as well (dynasty), starting over Monty/Deebo. Nothing terribly bold.

 
Cobbler1 said:
Starting confidently over Dobbins, starting over Jeudy with Mack in the lineup as well (dynasty), starting over Monty/Deebo. Nothing terribly bold.
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I'd have to bump Zeke or Sanders to also add Taylor.  I'm just going to hope they both eat and things look good moving forward.

 
I’m not a Taylor owner, but I do have Mack. I’ll have him in my lineup against the Jags. I think he’ll see the majority of the work and go over 100 with a td. 

 
Marlon Mack isn't going away.  Should be enough reps for both to be very relevant.....it's a great situation for a RB.  But I'll take Chubb every time over the rookie, Taylor......Chubb is the man, and the more talented back in Cleveland......Taylor may be more talented than Mack, but he's a rook behind a solid veteran.

 
Game script?  It seems very possible that the Colts will be up big in the second half.  If so, will they ride Mack or look to try to find out what they have in their new toy?  Will they just keep the RBBC?  What’s your guess?

 
Faust said:
Marlon Mack-Jonathan Taylor RB tandem fits Colts, not fantasy football

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“We’re going to continue to take the same approach that we have -- where it’s week in and week out, hot hand and all those things,” Reich said. “We’re expecting a big year from all of our backs but in particular, Marlon. He looks good. I feel good about how the backs complement each other. I really do. I feel like that’s a strong room for us. I feel like those guys are very unselfish. They are in it for each other. Marlon needs to be a leader -- the way he plays and we expect him to do that.”
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I think Reich is going to need some potholders for Taylor.

 
The Colts ran the ball 471 times last year with Brissett, Hines, Wilkins and Jonathan Williams combining for over 200 attempts.

Taylor could get 250 carries on the season with Mack still getting 200. But most importantly, Taylor will be the getting the lion's share in weeks 14-16.

 
What kind of realistic numbers are Taylor owners predicting week 1?

I’m thinking 15 carries for 82 yds with TD and 2 receptions for 18 yds

 
Efritch4 said:
What kind of realistic numbers are Taylor owners predicting week 1?
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Rivers is the QB.

7 carries for 29 yards. 7 catches for 83 and a TD. Plus a 2pt conversion catch.

Mack with 24 carries for 125 yards with 2 TD. 2 catches for 8 yards. 1 fumble lost (Schobert).

 
Truebluey said:
Top of my head

13 - 49 - 0./. 2-18. 1 fumble

Not a bad start for a rookie
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Hard to predict game-by-game stats for players.  I'd rather focus on usage as the season progresses.  This really could be a 1A / 1B situation and the Colts OL is pretty damn good.  I also expect their overall offense to improve with Rivers over Brissett, thus keeping teams honest from stacking the box.

 
Some very generous predictions here. Though it is an easy matchup and one of where Indy could have lots of oops to salt the game away with a lot of 4th Q carries.

 
JohnnyU said:
Hard to predict game-by-game stats for players.  I'd rather focus on usage as the season progresses.  This really could be a 1A / 1B situation and the Colts OL is pretty damn good.  I also expect their overall offense to improve with Rivers over Brissett, thus keeping teams honest from stacking the box.
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Interestingly, Mack last year only saw 8+ in the box on 12% of his carries. I don’t know what Reich did with his formations even with his subpar wrs/Qb to cause this but if he can do it again with Taylor...he could feast against light fronts. I looked at the Eagles too because of the Peterson/Reich connection and Sanders saw only 11.7% also. Even Jordan Howard saw just 17% which seems low for a total non receiving threat. 

 
Cobbler1 said:
Interestingly, Mack last year only saw 8+ in the box on 12% of his carries. I don’t know what Reich did with his formations even with his subpar wrs/Qb to cause this but if he can do it again with Taylor...he could feast against light fronts. I looked at the Eagles too because of the Peterson/Reich connection and Sanders saw only 11.7% also. Even Jordan Howard saw just 17% which seems low for a total non receiving threat. 
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Good, no 8+ in the box for sure in 2020.  Like I said, 1A & 1B is a possibility.

 
Ilov80s said:
Some very generous predictions here. Though it is an easy matchup and one of where Indy could have lots of oops to salt the game away with a lot of 4th Q carries.
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Those arent that generous.  12.4 carries on the average so far. And a 4.9 per carry avg vs the Jags and with perhaps the best OLine in football.

While 5 of 6 said just 2 receptions. 

Meh.

 
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Endowed said:
Those arent that generous.  12.4 carries on the average so far. And a 4.9 per carry avg vs the Jags and with perhaps the best OLine in football.

While 5 of 6 said just 2 receptions. 

Meh.
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And almost everyone had a TD. Another has 7 catches. I agree the defense is bad but it’s a tough projection for a rookie in his first game with a solid pair of veterans competing with him.

 
Stoneworker said:
Lots of FF owners looking to rationalize busting out their shiny new toy while simultaneously in denial that Mack is the starter.
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I’m as excited as anyone and am starting him in some lineups but there definitely could be a ramp up as well as some bumps a long the way.

 
Ilov80s said:
And almost everyone had a TD. Another has 7 catches. I agree the defense is bad but it’s a tough projection for a rookie in his first game with a solid pair of veterans competing with him.
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I was the only one with 7 catches... to go with just 7 carries.

Pretty meh touches vs the Jags. I had Mack with 26 touches as a comparison.

 
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Ilov80s said:
I’m as excited as anyone and am starting him in some lineups but there definitely could be a ramp up as well as some bumps a long the way.
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Agree. Reich seems pretty old school rewarding the vet Mack as long as he keeps performing while also making the rookie earn his carries. Week one seems a little early for a timeshare but who knows.

 
Stoneworker said:
Agree. Reich seems pretty old school rewarding the vet Mack as long as he keeps performing while also making the rookie earn his carries. Week one seems a little early for a timeshare but who knows.
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Reich also called it specifically a "one-one punch" and not a one-two. I'd be surprised if the split between Taylor and Mack doesn't resemble close to even, particularly when the talent disparity between the two is going to be glaring.

 
creepythinman said:
Reich also called it specifically a "one-one punch" and not a one-two. I'd be surprised if the split between Taylor and Mack doesn't resemble close to even, particularly when the talent disparity between the two is going to be glaring.
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No doubt about the talent difference. I just see the situation similar to Ingram/Dobbins and Gordon/Lindsay where the incumbent may be more difficult to unseat than many people think. Makes FF fun.

 
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