RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (2 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

They’re calling it torn on Rotoworld too. Maybe based on Twitter.  

Seems like jumping the gun to me.  What is their basis of this?  Has test already come back?  He may have torn it, but reporting it as fact anywhere is irresponsible.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Seems like jumping the gun to me.  What is their basis of this?  Has test already come back?  He may have torn it, but reporting it as fact anywhere is irresponsible.

Agree. 

 

[tangfoot]

Field tests are usually pretty accurate. Could have also been a partial tear rather than a complete one

 

[JohnnyU]

Field tests are usually pretty accurate. Could have also been a partial tear rather than a complete one

What was this field test you speak of?  I saw him put weight on it.

 

[Synthesizer]

What was this field test you speak of?  I saw him put weight on it.

You are able to put weight on a torn achillis.  As long as the weight is on the heel, you can just stand there without any pain.

 

[JohnnyU]

You are able to put weight on a torn achillis.  As long as the weight is on the heel, you can just stand there without any pain.

No tests are in and to say it is a torn Achilles at this point is irresponsible, even if it is proven true once an MRI comes back.  All I heard was sprained ankle.

 

[tangfoot]

What was this field test you speak of?  I saw him put weight on it.

A field test is what a trainer does before taking a player to the locker room. 

 

[I-ROK]

What was this field test you speak of?  I saw him put weight on it.

A squeeze test is a field test for a torn Achilles. I have no idea if they did one. I was assuming based on my Sleeper update. Teams don’t throw Achilles around too often. 
 

I am pretty sure people can walk with torn Achilles. My cousin tore his and tracked through the woods to go deer hunting. He didn’t have his repaired, doctor said 50/50 it was his choice, but I am pretty sure he wouldn’t have been able to play sports u til it healed   Standing with weight on it means nothing IMO

Edit: the squeeze test has a name per google, Thompson test? I only know it as squeeze test from my HS football days and time in the training room lol

 

[creepythinman]

Reich on Marlon Mack: “He does have an Achilles injury.” MRI coming tomorrow.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/13/nfl-colts-marlon-mack-achilles-injury-mri-update/

 

[The Frankman]

Jonathan Taylor recorded a team-high nine carries for 22 yards, hauling in all six of his targets for 67 yards in Indianapolis' Week 1 loss to the Jaguars.

Taylor initially rode the pine behind Marlon Mack (torn Achilles') and Nyheim Hines (7/28) but settled in as the team's primary runner once Mack was lost in the first half. The knock against the 21-year-old out of Wisconsin was his stone hands, which he immediately proved to be false [for one game] with a 100% catch rate and 11.1 yards per reception. Suddenly entrenched as the team's 1A running back with both carries and targets ensured, Taylor will be ranked as a low-end RB1 ahead of Hines for the rest of the season.

- Rotoworld

 

[humpback]

Any thoughts on how Taylor looked today?

 

[JohnnyU]

Any thoughts on how Taylor looked today?

Mainly looked good, but a couple of times he seemed to run up the butt of his OL.  I believe he could have shown better patience, but that could have been first game jitters.

 

[I-ROK]

Mainly looked good, but a couple of times he seemed to run up the butt of his OL.  I believe he could have shown better patience, but that could have been first game jitters.

Or that cannon he’s shot out of. They need to decrease the primer on that

 

[I-ROK]

6 for 67- You mean Stone-Hands Taylor can catch? Who would have thought Taylor would have a more target/receptions week 1 than CEH. Both looked great this week but if you own Taylor you have to be absolutely stoked about his usage in the passing game. Arrow will only go up from there. Dobbins looked great. These rookie RBs are so good 

 

[-jb-]

Gotta love FF. If Mack had this same injury preseason, Taylor would have skyrocketed up the ADP. Now that we have game tape, Hines is a splash of cold water. Hmph.

 

[Faust]

Nyheim Hines, Jonathan Taylor fantasy value if Marlon Mack injury costs him the season

 

[Cobbler1]

If we knew Taylor would go 6/67 through the air week 1 and be the clear lead back heading into week 2 he’d be in the end of round 1/early round 2 discussion. Just need those bulldozers up front to get going a bit better and he’ll have some lanes. He did look a bit impatient which is ok for a rookie. Even so he was close to scoring on his first touch, got tackled on the goal line his second, and was one block away from scoring on another screen pass. I remember Zeke looked like that his first couple games before settling down and beasting. 

 

[JohnnyU]

Or that cannon he’s shot out of. They need to decrease the primer on that

.....or he could just be more patient and look for his lanes?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Not all run schemes are the same. Probably one of the least understood parts of football. It's hard enough for rookies to understand how run plays work, but then there has been no preseason. The line has lanes, it's more a question of having the vision to know where they are than the patience to wait for them, when that happens that burst will be mighty valuable.

 

[JohnnyU]

Not all run schemes are the same. Probably one of the least understood parts of football. It's hard enough for rookies to understand how run plays work, but then there has been no preseason. The line has lanes, it's more a question of having the vision to know where they are than the patience to wait for them, when that happens that burst will be mighty valuable.

One ingredient to vision is patience.   I'm sure he has it, but yesterday he ran up the butt of his OL a few times.  Probably just over anxious for his first game.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

As an aside, Adrian Peterson is only just now learning patience. He was always slamming himself into the backs of his blockers. 

 

[JohnnyU]

As an aside, Adrian Peterson is only just now learning patience. He was always slamming himself into the backs of his blockers. 

I believe in the old days when QBs weren't in the shotgun on every play RBs lined up 7 yards deep behind the QB and were able to spot their holes better.  Now they lineup left or right of the QB in shotgun, not as far from the LOS and I think it hurts their vision somewhat. 

 

[Pipes]

One ingredient to vision is patience.   I'm sure he has it, but yesterday he ran up the butt of his OL a few times.  Probably just over anxious for his first game.

He was a really patient runner at Wisconsin, it really was one of his strong suits that he'd "wait" for the play to develop then burst through the hole with his speed and power.  I didn't see any of yesterday's game but I would expect that to improve as he adjusts to NFL speed and gets the early season jitters out of the way. 

 

[ffmail4me]

I know this, he's in a great situation now. CEH and Taylor are going to pay immediate dividends for their owners obviously. 

 

[ponchsox]

Really excited about his opportunity but I think he's an RB2 with Hines splitting a lot of the work with RB1 upside. Will outperform his ADP for sure.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Agree. 

Looks like both initial reports of achilles injury was accurate and may not have been jumping the gun.

 

[JohnnyU]

Looks like both initial reports of achilles injury was accurate and may not have been jumping the gun.

it's always jumping the gun to definitively diagnose it before the MRI.  Getting it right on a guess is still a guess.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Looks like both initial reports of achilles injury was accurate and may not have been jumping the gun.

It was still premature to report it before it was confirmed. I’m not a fan of that. Later reports were changed to “suspected” which is better. 

Again, bummer for Mack. He’s a hard worker & it sucks to see this happen to anyone. 

 

[Synthesizer]

Mack tore his achilles and you are upset with the report from yesterday that sources on the team feared that Mack tore his achilles?

 

[smbkrypt24]

It was still premature to report it before it was confirmed. I’m not a fan of that. Later reports were changed to “suspected” which is better. 

Again, bummer for Mack. He’s a hard worker & it sucks to see this happen to anyone. 

What I saw, including in this thread was the fear that Mack tore his achilles.  This is the exact information I want to come out so I know what type of injury they believe it to be.  It is not premature at all to tell us what they believe the injury to be.  

 

[Dez]

Most of the time when teams report they "fear x type of injury" most of the time it is accurate and true.  Not really understand why there were some on here getting upset about this.  I clearly must be missing something.

 

[MAC_32]

In case anyone wasn't already aware

 

[I-ROK]

Most of the time when teams report they "fear x type of injury" most of the time it is accurate and true.  Not really understand why there were some on here getting upset about this.  I clearly must be missing something.

This. Especially because they don’t do that willy-nilly either, and it’s a really easy thing to diagnose as a lay-person. “Is there a golf ball sized lump back there?” Check, then it’s probably torn. I’m sure the medical staff have more sophisticated ways to diagnose on the sidelines than the ol’ eye ball test

 

[I Am the Stig]

it's always jumping the gun to definitively diagnose it before the MRI.  Getting it right on a guess is still a guess.

Not every injury needs a x-ray or MRI to confirm or diagnose. In this case the MRI is simply to determine the severity. 

 

[DocHolliday]

Really excited about his opportunity but I think he's an RB2 with Hines splitting a lot of the work with RB1 upside. Will outperform his ADP for sure.

This makes sense.   Taylor should be a RB2 but Hines is going to get a lot of touches since he has ability too.  

 

[I-ROK]

Is anyone upset that the Cowboys “Fear Jarwin tore his ACL”? 

This is pretty standard injury speak 

 

[barackdhouse]

Is anyone upset that the Cowboys “Fear Jarwin tore his ACL”? 

This is pretty standard injury speak 

Yeah I am. I drafted him in a lot of spots. JK I agree completely.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The discussion about the report of a torn achilles was hours before the article came out that said the team feared he tore his achilles.

People were talking about the twitter post that was made like 30 seconds after the injury happened and the subsequent articles that reported it as or near fact based on that.

 

[JohnnyU]

What I saw, including in this thread was the fear that Mack tore his achilles.  This is the exact information I want to come out so I know what type of injury they believe it to be.  It is not premature at all to tell us what they believe the injury to be.  

There was one post in injury thread that said tear, not fear of tear.

 

[barackdhouse]

The discussion about the report of a torn achilles was hours before the article came out that said the team feared he tore his achilles.

People were talking about the twitter post that was made like 30 seconds after the injury happened and the subsequent articles that reported it as or near fact based on that.

That may be but what I saw here in this thread was reference to the *field test indicating torn achilles* as somehow being premature. Reporting what a field test indicated is *exactly* what journalists should have done here (and did in this example). What they do with a headline to bait clickers is another matter. I have no doubt that Twitter posts and others didn't necessarily reference the field test.

Anyway sucks for Mack. Sorry to hear it. Obviously bumping Taylor to must start status. 

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Do any of you ever conclude a day and think... "jeez, I spent so many hours on the FBG forums arguing about the most pointless manure ever"?  If not, you should be thinking that.

 

[Dez]

The discussion about the report of a torn achilles was hours before the article came out that said the team feared he tore his achilles.

People were talking about the twitter post that was made like 30 seconds after the injury happened and the subsequent articles that reported it as or near fact based on that.

I knew I must have been missing something

 

[Biabreakable]

One ingredient to vision is patience.   I'm sure he has it, but yesterday he ran up the butt of his OL a few times.  Probably just over anxious for his first game.

Adrian Peterson by his own account had issues with being patient and pressing the defense before hitting the gap 100%

I think Taylor will figure it out.

 

[Cobbler1]

Let’s talk year end numbers! Let’s assume he plays all 16. 
 

260/1200/8 50/400/2. Is that achievable?

 

[Faust]

Colts coach Frank Reich said Jonathan Taylor will be the starter at running back moving forward.

He'll replace Marlon Mack, who the Colts will soon move to season-ending injured reserve with a torn Achilles'. Reich also said Nyheim Hines will still be "a big part of the offense" and Jordan Wilkins will also "have a role." Hines and Taylor split snaps (20) in the second half without Mack on Sunday and are both expected to stay heavily involved as early as Week 2 against the Vikings. Hines should be a priority addition on waiver wires whereas Taylor remains poised to explode as a low-end RB1 for the rest of the season.

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Nyheim Hines

SOURCE: Kevin Bowen on Twitter

Sep 14, 2020, 4:12 PM ET

 

[Biabreakable]

Let’s talk year end numbers! Let’s assume he plays all 16. 
 

260/1200/8 50/400/2. Is that achievable?

While I think that is achievable the receptions and yards seem a bit high, but maybe not with Rivers as the QB.

I think he will be a top 12 RB this year if he stays healthy.

 

[-jb-]

225/950/7, 45/360/2.  That's low end RB1 in 0.5ppr

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Let’s talk year end numbers! Let’s assume he plays all 16. 
 

260/1200/8 50/400/2. Is that achievable?

The receptions seem unrealistic unless Hines gets hurt too. Otherwise pretty attainable. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FWIW, rotowrong reporting a Miller sighting in colts-ville. I may have missed that the Pats released him.  

 

[Cobbler1]

The receptions seem unrealistic unless Hines gets hurt too. Otherwise pretty attainable. 

It would be 3 per game the rest of the way. I understand Hines has his role but I’m not sure it’s that wild to project that from a guy whose going to be on the field a lot with Rivers and his affinity for throwing to the Rb.