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RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (3 Viewers)

Exactly. Thank you for going into detail for this. That's the market. Colts can do nothing and get a 3rd rounder
Holy smokes
Listen man, I am literally just quoting former NFL GM Michael Lombardi. If you disagree, you are disagreeing with somebody who does this for a living.


If you think your grasp of the situation is better than him, that's fine, but I'll stick with the professionals. Lombardi has forgotten more about being an NFL executive than any of else can ever pretend to know.

My opinion is expert by proxy. Love it or hate it, Michael Lombardi is more credible than the combination of ever reader viewing this thread right now.
Your expert by proxy is giving you the 30,000 foot view because going into the nuance of the compensation system is boring and doesn't draw, or keep, eyeballs.

It's not just JT = 3rd round pick

Lombardi knows that, many people in here knows that. Now you know that.
 
Exactly. Thank you for going into detail for this. That's the market. Colts can do nothing and get a 3rd rounder
Holy smokes
Listen man, I am literally just quoting former NFL GM Michael Lombardi. If you disagree, you are disagreeing with somebody who does this for a living.


If you think your grasp of the situation is better than him, that's fine, but I'll stick with the professionals. Lombardi has forgotten more about being an NFL executive than any of else can ever pretend to know.

My opinion is expert by proxy. Love it or hate it, Michael Lombardi is more credible than the combination of ever reader viewing this thread right now.
Your expert by proxy is giving you the 30,000 foot view because going into the nuance of the compensation system is boring and doesn't draw, or keep, eyeballs.

It's not just JT = 3rd round pick

Lombardi knows that, many people in here knows that. Now you know that.
Watch your tone when you talk to me or don't talk to me. I'm well aware how compensatory picks work, champ.


Go patronize someone else.
Any tone you infer from my post comes from you.
 
Anyone want to discuss a fantasy perspective here?

Redraft value? When to roll the dice? I took him kid 9th round in my first draft, thinking I’d go for him again at that point.

Grabbed Deon Jackson in the 16th.
 
Is any RB on the Colts rosterable, aside from Taylor?
I know a majority are saying Deon. The problem is we saw what that looked like last year. Dude looks more like a situational 3rd down back. We also saw a 4 game sample size with Moss. That looked way better. Even though he is hurt I'm taking Moss. Jackson went for 18 of the 100 dollar budget last night in my league while Moss went for 0. Yikes. All my opinion of course.

Anyone want to discuss a fantasy perspective here?

Redraft value? When to roll the dice? I took him kid 9th round in my first draft, thinking I’d go for him again at that point.

Grabbed Deon Jackson in the 16th.
I don't think so. Compensatory pick formula seems to be the topic.
 
Anyone want to discuss a fantasy perspective here?

Redraft value? When to roll the dice? I took him kid 9th round in my first draft, thinking I’d go for him again at that point.

Grabbed Deon Jackson in the 16th.
I mean, in the 9th round? Sure and then hope he gets traded at some point.
 
Anyone want to discuss a fantasy perspective here?

Redraft value? When to roll the dice? I took him kid 9th round in my first draft, thinking I’d go for him again at that point.

Grabbed Deon Jackson in the 16th.
9th seems ridiculous. Potential (and yes, it's only potential) top 10 guy for 75% of the season and playoffs.

For what it's worth, FBG has him as RB26 now.
 
Is any RB on the Colts rosterable, aside from Taylor?
I know a majority are saying Deon. The problem is we saw what that looked like last year. Dude looks more like a situational 3rd down back. We also saw a 4 game sample size with Moss. That looked way better. Even though he is hurt I'm taking Moss. Jackson went for 18 of the 100 dollar budget last night in my league while Moss went for 0. Yikes. All my opinion of course.

Anyone want to discuss a fantasy perspective here?

Redraft value? When to roll the dice? I took him kid 9th round in my first draft, thinking I’d go for him again at that point.

Grabbed Deon Jackson in the 16th.
I don't think so. Compensatory pick formula seems to be the topic.
This is a :hold on, checks notes, notes confirm: fantasy football site.
 
Anyone want to discuss a fantasy perspective here?

Redraft value? When to roll the dice? I took him kid 9th round in my first draft, thinking I’d go for him again at that point.

Grabbed Deon Jackson in the 16th.
9th seems ridiculous. Potential (and yes, it's only potential) top 10 guy for 75% of the season and playoffs.

For what it's worth, FBG has him as RB26 now.
Felt like I could’ve as easily missed on AJ Dillon, Brian Robinson, etc at that time, so rolling the dice on a guy like him in the 9th was worth the risk. We’ll see, he’ll suck wind on my bench for 6 weeks and then hopefully be playing.
 
You posted in italics. Your point was obvious. The fact you think I don't know how compensatory picks work makes you dispensable. I don't waste my time on people who put others down and assume stupidity. I will talk to people who give me the benefit of the doubt, not assume the worst.
To be fair - you repeated multiple times that the Colts WILL get a third round pick, and not that the Colts COULD POSSIBILY get a third round pick - so most would assume that you did not know how it works and it's not like it would be embarrassing if you did not. Not everyone follows the league in that kind of detail.
 
Go patronize someone else. Lombardi added the caveat "if the Colts don't dabble in FA" I didn't find the need to add it because I thought that part was obvious. Thanks for your pseudo sense of superiority.
But you kept stressing how they get a third if they let him walk?

And everyone else stressed it would a 4th. So I'm going to be the first to be 100% correct.


"It could be a 3rd or 4th round pick. Nobody knows what the Colts will do."



Does that make everyone happy now? Add a slash, 4th round pick to my previous post. I was just trying to emphasize what former NFL GM Michael Lombardi said.
 
I still stand by my theory that the Colts would rather win 3 games without Taylor and draft Marvin Harrison Jr.

Please quote the post where I said "the Colts are tanking". TIA.
YW.
That's funny. I don't see anywhere in that post that "the Colts are tanking".


This is a great example of people jumping to conclusions and I now had to waste minutes of my life defending a stance I never made.

You can't say anything on here without someone intentionally misunderstanding. Gee Golly, Miss Molly...
 
Go patronize someone else. Lombardi added the caveat "if the Colts don't dabble in FA" I didn't find the need to add it because I thought that part was obvious. Thanks for your pseudo sense of superiority.
But you kept stressing how they get a third if they let him walk?

And everyone else stressed it would a 4th. So I'm going to be the first to be 100% correct.


"It could be a 3rd or 4th round pick. Nobody knows what the Colts will do."



Does that make everyone happy now? Add a slash, 4th round pick to my previous post. I was just trying to emphasize what former NFL GM Michael Lombardi said.
I used to be like you. Then I found Lexapro.

This **** is not worth getting this worked up about. Chill.
 
Latest report they wanted Waddle and draft picks from Miami if true :lol:
That's so wild if true.

Like Taylor and a 1st rounder probably isn't enough for Waddle. Imagine thinking Waddle isn't enough for Taylor.

If that's the price Indy was requesting for Taylor, then they are delusional. There is nobody on the Colts roster worth that much, and there hasn't been since Luck.
 
So I'm going to be the first to be 100% correct.


"It could be a 3rd or 4th round pick. Nobody knows what the Colts will do."
Nope, still not 100% correct. It might not be a 4th either. It might be nothing at all depending on what FA the Colts sign.

Never change old sport. Never change. <3
well where did you get 3rd/4th from?
As I have mentioned in a few different posts. Former GM Michael Lombardi said it in his own words.

Then other posters claimed they thought it would be a 4th. I begrudgingly agreed with them because, "sure, maybe that's possible".


It wasn't wholly material to point I was trying to make. A 3rd or a 4th, whatever, either way it caps out at a 3rd and that's what the Colts are going to argue the value of in negotiations (as would you).


Even if you think it would just be a 4th rounder, you have to consider how the Colts view it since they have all leverage. They are going to argue it's a 3rd. If you want to have realistic expectations you need to align your interests with the Colts.


You might think it will only be a 4th, but if the Colts think it will be a 3rd then that's the reality since they have all the leverage and are setting the market. Would you rather make predictions on what happens here based on what you think or what the Colts think?



Apparently they asked for picks and Waddle, which makes this whole exercise a waste of time anyway because clearly they are looking for a lot more than a 3rd let alone a 4th.
 
My immediate response to honor the contract is simple. If he signed a 5 year big contract and tore his Achilles in week 1 would the Colts honor the contract? I'll help ya. NOPE. It's an ugly business.
i mean, they would presumably honor whatever they were legally obligated to do. That would usually not include paying out the entire contract.
Yup. The league really needs to get rid of non-guarantee language and years in their contracts.

You get this much :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: , for this much ⏳ the end.

Nope. I like the way the NFL is set up. I wish other sports would adopt this, especially the NBA. In the NBA, guys are opting into $35M contracts and then immediately requesting a trade (James Harden). Teams sign players and they no longer have incentive to improve (Ben Simmons). I like signing a player and having the ability to move on from them if they don't perform to a certain level. I don't mind if a small fraction of players hold out.
 
Then other posters claimed they thought it would be a 4th.
The were saying a comp 3rd (which is at the end of the round) is basically a 4th.

Understood! Either way, even if not perfect I hope I have helped add context and/or information to this thread that had not previously been brought up.

Sometimes we can get caught in the minutia when trying to make a larger point. I will try to be better and more brief.
 
Give us Waddle and picks :lmao:

Sounds par for the course for Ballard and Irsay. His parrot Pat McAfee sounds like a fool trying to take shots at Taylor while they're trying to get a max return.
 
Go patronize someone else. Lombardi added the caveat "if the Colts don't dabble in FA" I didn't find the need to add it because I thought that part was obvious. Thanks for your pseudo sense of superiority.
But you kept stressing how they get a third if they let him walk?

And everyone else stressed it would a 4th. So I'm going to be the first to be 100% correct.


"It could be a 3rd or 4th round pick. Nobody knows what the Colts will do."




Does that make everyone happy now? Add a slash, 4th round pick to my previous post. I was just trying to emphasize what former NFL GM Michael Lombardi said.
It could also be no compensation.
 
Go patronize someone else. Lombardi added the caveat "if the Colts don't dabble in FA" I didn't find the need to add it because I thought that part was obvious. Thanks for your pseudo sense of superiority.
But you kept stressing how they get a third if they let him walk?

And everyone else stressed it would a 4th. So I'm going to be the first to be 100% correct.


"It could be a 3rd or 4th round pick. Nobody knows what the Colts will do."



Does that make everyone happy now? Add a slash, 4th round pick to my previous post. I was just trying to emphasize what former NFL GM Michael Lombardi said.
It could also be no compensation.
You're right and I misread your previous posts as well about how late 3rd compensatory may as well be a 4th. Sorry if I was gruff with you, I had misunderstood on my end.
 
People acting like he will just "quit" are silly. He will have a hurt hamstring or knee or whatever if he wants to sit out (Kind of like the QB in Baltimore did last season)-- didn't really hurt him in FA.

I have an auction tomorrow night-- always been a gambler- especially for upside

What are we thinking for JT ($10-15 range w/ Mattison, Connor, etc) more? less?
In my 10-team auction last night, he went for $24 of a $250 cap. It’s a keep-4 league so some of the other top RBs were already kept. I bought McCaffrey for $47.
 
No one thinks it's a good idea to pay a RB, everyone agrees.

But if you ever did, you might wanna do it when you have a ton of cap space, not a ton of good players at premium positions, and a 20 year old QB.

But that's just me, maybe, I'm silly with my finances.
 
Keeping JT on the PUP list feels like a poison pill. Seems personal. Feel badly for him. Probably closed the door for the Packers to figure out a path unless they keep Dillon and play him for 4 games.
 
I explained this in an earlier post but will rehash one more time. Michael Lombardi stated he expects J Taylor to get them a 3rd.
FWIW I follow ex-agent Joel Corry on twitter and I asked him about this over a week ago and I asked him if a team would trade for Taylor, if they knew he'd be ok playing on his current deal, without having an extension in place. He seemed to think that basically yes, if the comp was like a second a contending team would do that and one the reasons he replied was that the team acquiring him would do so on expectation they'd be getting a third round comp pick back if he walked after this season.

There is more to the comp pick formula of course but that seems to be general thought that he'd get back a third.

Either way his value to the Colts is a second plus. Any notion they are going to trade him for less is nonsense.
 
Once again. I have no actual sources other then the deplorables on this site. I don't think they really had any intentions of trading him. Almost felt like a calculated chess move to say they would trade him to spark a narrative. Then they PUP him. In order to improve his value as a player he almost has to return week 5 and ball out to get paid. Colts kinda played this like an evil villain in the Marvel movies.
 
Go patronize someone else. Lombardi added the caveat "if the Colts don't dabble in FA" I didn't find the need to add it because I thought that part was obvious. Thanks for your pseudo sense of superiority.
But you kept stressing how they get a third if they let him walk?

And everyone else stressed it would a 4th. So I'm going to be the first to be 100% correct.


"It could be a 3rd or 4th round pick. Nobody knows what the Colts will do."



Does that make everyone happy now? Add a slash, 4th round pick to my previous post. I was just trying to emphasize what former NFL GM Michael Lombardi said.
It could also be no compensation.
You're right and I misread your previous posts as well about how late 3rd compensatory may as well be a 4th. Sorry if I was gruff with you, I had misunderstood on my end.
IMO that's why the Colts might as well have traded JT for a bag of wooden nickels (figuratively).
 
Like I said earlier, Colts and Irsay totally irrational with the ask and no team would pay what the Colts wanted. Not worth it.

For JTs sake I did hope he was traded and to get out from Irsay - that guy thinks he's playing fantasy football. What a mess. I'm glad MIA didn't pay the asking price - they probably just laughed at Irsay.

Like has been mentioned in this thread and on social media - Irsay asking for the world for JT but won't pay him what he thinks his value is.
 

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