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RB Kendre Miller, NO (1 Viewer)

You guys are investing way too much time in dude. 😂

I want to laugh with you, but he was the 1.05 in my world and a reach by about six spots. I gave the 2.12 to move from 1.12 to get him. So stupid. Okay, everyone following this thread regularly knows the story, but we keep getting new people to where I feel it's necessary to keep explaining why I’m spending time on him. In fact, this is the direct, uh, statement (hopefully good-natured taunt?) to which I'm responding.

It’s not even a sunk cost—guy has lots of running and catching talent by virtually all accounts—because we still do not know his fate and if you think you do, you’re jumping the gun and being unwise.

I’m just trying to figure out his attitude and ability to process knowledge because Dennis Allen (26-53) and his .329 winning percentage (which is the third worst in history for guys over 75 games—the 75 games being a point in his favor, but each team of his two had nearly absent ownership) tried to run him out of town. So of course I don’t trust him or his staff. That would also be unwise.

I personally think this guy is probably (70%?) either thick as a brick in the head or his attitude is rare in a bad way. I don’t know, but nothing really about his situation or the way he handles himself on social media add up to glowing reports about his demeanor. But guys can get buried under a whole lot of explainable stuff, or they change—or a change of scenery means everything for them. I’ve traded first-rounders before, so I’m usually not hyper-stuck on a guy, but I’d think he needs to flash or show something to hold him through the year.
I feel for you, I really do. Kendre is kind of like what Pitts is to me, except I feel like Kendre is still TBD because we haven’t seen him play a full healthy season yet. And many in the fantasy community seem ready to bury him but the Saints aren’t (the 6th rounder spent on Neal is not a large investment by any stretch and the other reserve RBs are JAGs). It’s worth holding to see if/how Kendre is used, assuming he makes the final cut.

In my case with Pitts, I went against consensus and took him ahead of Chase. The fear of missing out on a generational prospect like Pitts was too strong, even when a generational WR prospect was staring right at me. In dynasty you want to find anything that can help separate you from the rest of your league and having a stud TE is such a huge advantage given the absolute muck of mediocrity that position is. Taking over and rebuilding an orphaned team, I felt really good about taking Pitts as my cornerstone and it set me back for years. Most disastrous pick I’ve ever made. And yet here I am in 2025 still holding on, because no one in the league will trade me a TE worth a damn and there’s no one better in FA. It’s a sunk cost for me.

Then there’s Kendre, who I didn’t draft but I traded away the pick that would’ve ultimately ended up being him had I held on to it (I was also bullish on him that year, many people in the dynasty community were). It was a weak draft class going in apart from the 3 blue chippers (Bijan, Gibbs, JSN). At 1.05 you could either draft a WR whose ceiling was capped by their landing spot or you could get your guy, and it was an open question as to who was RB3. Many said Charbs, some said Kendre, some may have said Achane (though I remember the size/durability concerns). I’m still a believer in getting your guy, because I’d rather be wrong and have him on my team than to be right and see him on someone else’s team. I’m stashing Kendre after someone cut him last season, so the investment for me is miniscule, but my team sucks so I’m hoping for any advantage I can get. If a player isn’t producing it’s important to understand why that is. I’ve determined that the sample size isn’t enough for me to give up on him just yet. Definitely helps to learn where you may have went wrong in your process and learn from it but also acknowledge the luck factor in this game of ours, and most of it really is luck. Continue to trust your process because it makes it more satisfying when it does pay off.

Kyle Pitts was a tough evaluation and that's a tough pick. We had a guy in my other league (I play in two) take him first overall and it has submarined his team for years also. I have another league and had a good pick, but I didn't want Pitts at all because I have serious reservations about TEs in the first round. That said, we were told how different he was, and I was considering it—but then decided against it—it would be moot anyway as a gentleman traded right in front of me to take him. So that worked and I dodged that bullet, but wait—I would carry that prejudice into thinking that Brock Bowers wasn't who I wanted at 1.05 in one league, so congratulations to me for holding that view! Not good.

Needless to say, I've revised that attitude. It's the process, as we both noted, and it was the wrong process. So I'm altering it a bit. It won't make you feel any better, but Bowers is what Pitts was supposed to be; it's just that Bowers arrived a few years later. He's been a revolutionary athlete at the position that Pitts was billed as. They're going to keep coming, too, in my opinion. They'll be bigger, faster, and stronger.

So much of this is indeed luck, but it also is about sound decisions and minimizing the chances that things will go wrong and maximizing the probability that things go your way, so I'm always revising. Thank you for the kind words. Good luck with Kendre and we will see how he does.
 
You guys are investing way too much time in dude. 😂

I want to laugh with you, but he was the 1.05 in my world and a reach by about six spots. I gave the 2.12 to move from 1.12 to get him. So stupid. Okay, everyone following this thread regularly knows the story, but we keep getting new people to where I feel it's necessary to keep explaining why I’m spending time on him. In fact, this is the direct, uh, statement (hopefully good-natured taunt?) to which I'm responding.

It’s not even a sunk cost—guy has lots of running and catching talent by virtually all accounts—because we still do not know his fate and if you think you do, you’re jumping the gun and being unwise.

I’m just trying to figure out his attitude and ability to process knowledge because Dennis Allen (26-53) and his .329 winning percentage (which is the third worst in history for guys over 75 games—the 75 games being a point in his favor, but each team of his two had nearly absent ownership) tried to run him out of town. So of course I don’t trust him or his staff. That would also be unwise.

I personally think this guy is probably (70%?) either thick as a brick in the head or his attitude is rare in a bad way. I don’t know, but nothing really about his situation or the way he handles himself on social media add up to glowing reports about his demeanor. But guys can get buried under a whole lot of explainable stuff, or they change—or a change of scenery means everything for them. I’ve traded first-rounders before, so I’m usually not hyper-stuck on a guy, but I’d think he needs to flash or show something to hold him through the year.
I feel for you, I really do. Kendre is kind of like what Pitts is to me, except I feel like Kendre is still TBD because we haven’t seen him play a full healthy season yet. And many in the fantasy community seem ready to bury him but the Saints aren’t (the 6th rounder spent on Neal is not a large investment by any stretch and the other reserve RBs are JAGs). It’s worth holding to see if/how Kendre is used, assuming he makes the final cut.

In my case with Pitts, I went against consensus and took him ahead of Chase. The fear of missing out on a generational prospect like Pitts was too strong, even when a generational WR prospect was staring right at me. In dynasty you want to find anything that can help separate you from the rest of your league and having a stud TE is such a huge advantage given the absolute muck of mediocrity that position is. Taking over and rebuilding an orphaned team, I felt really good about taking Pitts as my cornerstone and it set me back for years. Most disastrous pick I’ve ever made. And yet here I am in 2025 still holding on, because no one in the league will trade me a TE worth a damn and there’s no one better in FA. It’s a sunk cost for me.

Then there’s Kendre, who I didn’t draft but I traded away the pick that would’ve ultimately ended up being him had I held on to it (I was also bullish on him that year, many people in the dynasty community were). It was a weak draft class going in apart from the 3 blue chippers (Bijan, Gibbs, JSN). At 1.05 you could either draft a WR whose ceiling was capped by their landing spot or you could get your guy, and it was an open question as to who was RB3. Many said Charbs, some said Kendre, some may have said Achane (though I remember the size/durability concerns). I’m still a believer in getting your guy, because I’d rather be wrong and have him on my team than to be right and see him on someone else’s team. I’m stashing Kendre after someone cut him last season, so the investment for me is miniscule, but my team sucks so I’m hoping for any advantage I can get. If a player isn’t producing it’s important to understand why that is. I’ve determined that the sample size isn’t enough for me to give up on him just yet. Definitely helps to learn where you may have went wrong in your process and learn from it but also acknowledge the luck factor in this game of ours, and most of it really is luck. Continue to trust your process because it makes it more satisfying when it does pay off.

Kyle Pitts was a tough evaluation and that's a tough pick. We had a guy in my other league (I play in two) take him first overall and it has submarined his team for years also. I have another league and had a good pick, but I didn't want Pitts at all because I have serious reservations about TEs in the first round. That said, we were told how different he was, and I was considering it—but then decided against it—it would be moot anyway as a gentleman traded right in front of me to take him. So that worked and I dodged that bullet, but wait—I would carry that prejudice into thinking that Brock Bowers wasn't who I wanted at 1.05 in one league, so congratulations to me for holding that view! Not good.

Needless to say, I've revised that attitude. It's the process, as we both noted, and it was the wrong process. So I'm altering it a bit. It won't make you feel any better, but Bowers is what Pitts was supposed to be; it's just that Bowers arrived a few years later. He's been a revolutionary athlete at the position that Pitts was billed as. They're going to keep coming, too, in my opinion. They'll be bigger, faster, and stronger.

So much of this is indeed luck, but it also is about sound decisions and minimizing the chances that things will go wrong and maximizing the probability that things go your way, so I'm always revising. Thank you for the kind words. Good luck with Kendre and we will see how he does.
I thought Pitts was overrated going into the draft but honestly, I think hewas good. His rookie year he had 68 catches 1,026 yards. That is a stellar rookie year especially playing in such a poor offensiven environment. He led the team in targets, catches, yards. The next closest was Russell Gage with 775 yards. Now Pitts only scored 1 TD that year so people don't quite remember how special the season was. He tore his MCL the next year and just to me has never looked right again. He's a guy who ran a 4.40 at the combine. We don't see any of that kind of speed and acceleration now and he's only 24. We aren't talking about an old man. I wonder a bit too if the coaching staff and GM were totally on the same page. They spent a too 10 pick on a pass catching TE and tried making an outside WR when he probably should have been a big slot. Arthur Smith always seemed preoccupied with his blocking. I think Pitts was just a bad beat, not a bad call.
 
You guys are investing way too much time in dude. 😂
Kamara is old. The backup in NO is a pretty important spot
There is certainly an outcome where that may be true. But a quick check of team win totals shows the Saints tied with Browns and Giants with the lowest win total on the board at 5.5 wins. I think that is high. Then on top of that data point, the Saints have arguably the worst QB room in the league. The likely outcome for most Saints games is they are playing from behind and throwing to catch up., with terrible QB play. Not a recipe for strong production from a RB that has scant history as a receiver.

Another data point to consider is the Saints are currently rostering Devin Neal, Akers and CEH. So a lot of competition for the back up role. And CEH has the skill set for receiving.

In sum, if Miller stays healthy, and if Kamara gets hurt, and if Miller can beat out competition better better suited for the receiving role, he has value. That is a lot of ifs.

I get it, people took a shot on Miller when he came out and paid a healthy price. I did the same but I am out. When I guy shows you who he is, believe him.
 
You guys are investing way too much time in dude. 😂
Kamara is old. The backup in NO is a pretty important spot
There is certainly an outcome where that may be true. But a quick check of team win totals shows the Saints tied with Browns and Giants with the lowest win total on the board at 5.5 wins. I think that is high. Then on top of that data point, the Saints have arguably the worst QB room in the league. The likely outcome for most Saints games is they are playing from behind and throwing to catch up., with terrible QB play. Not a recipe for strong production from a RB that has scant history as a receiver.

Another data point to consider is the Saints are currently rostering Devin Neal, Akers and CEH. So a lot of competition for the back up role. And CEH has the skill set for receiving.

In sum, if Miller stays healthy, and if Kamara gets hurt, and if Miller can beat out competition better better suited for the receiving role, he has value. That is a lot of ifs.

I get it, people took a shot on Miller when he came out and paid a healthy price. I did the same but I am out. When I guy shows you who he is, believe him.
I don't think it will be Miller
 
As a player can be a fantasy roster clogger, this thread is a fantasy forum clogger. A guy with a bunch of red flags as to whether he can function as an NFL player on an offense that may be the worst in the league. Move on.
 
Oh no. We have a meta-argument going on. He's playing tomorrow, fellas. I'm tuning in for him and Ke'Andre Lambert-Smith. This thread is either about to explode in positivity or it's going to explode with wondering why this is bumped. We can turn this guy into Christine Michael if we try hard enough (and for what it's worth, Christine was rumored to have trouble between the ears also, so there is precedent!).
 
Miller went 6-15 with a nine-yard catch. I don't know how many of those yards were lost in the short yardage situation they found themselves in, but that doesn't look good. On the plus side, CEH went 4-6 and Akers went 4-9. That's awful. It's evidence of this being a dead zone for RBs not named Kamara.

Raheim Sanders is the deep stash guy that stole the show in this one.
 
Not exactly optimistic he's going to ever be worth what a lot of us paid for him in dynasty but he's for sure trending up IMO.

Yeah, he actually is. Looked rather spry and was the clear number two although he rotated back in with Akers.
He's the only RB on that team with any juice, Kamara included.
He sure runs to the trainer's table faster than most. Miller seems completely disinterested in being a good NFL running back. He's soft.

I've cut bait, I'm done. The Saints look to be a mess this season and should probably be on everyone's DND list, but I'll still grab Kamara or Olave if they fall far enough in drafts.
 
He sure runs to the trainer's table faster than most. Miller seems completely disinterested in being a good NFL running back. He's soft.
You are of course certainly welcome to your opinion but I don't really get into these type of characterizations myself.
I mean, what other conclusions can you draw at this point? His talent is undeniable but he can't even stay on the practice field, let alone make it to Sunday. Maybe he's just unlucky?
 
He sure runs to the trainer's table faster than most. Miller seems completely disinterested in being a good NFL running back. He's soft.
You are of course certainly welcome to your opinion but I don't really get into these type of characterizations myself.
I mean, what other conclusions can you draw at this point? His talent is undeniable but he can't even stay on the practice field, let alone make it to Sunday. Maybe he's just unlucky?
Players get hurt all the time and it does mean they are soft.
 
He sure runs to the trainer's table faster than most. Miller seems completely disinterested in being a good NFL running back. He's soft.
You are of course certainly welcome to your opinion but I don't really get into these type of characterizations myself.
I mean, what other conclusions can you draw at this point? His talent is undeniable but he can't even stay on the practice field, let alone make it to Sunday. Maybe he's just unlucky?
Players get hurt all the time and it does mean they are soft.
Being hurt and injured are different though. The best players all seem to play hurt. Some even play injured. Miller doesn't appear to try to do either. Of course these are just unfair opinions, but I can only go off of what I've seen and say what I believe. Whatever you may think about the guy and his work ethic, this really feels like a make or break year for him. He won't be on any of my fantasy teams this year unless he's a WW pickup, but I still hope he plays well. I really liked him coming out of college.
 
. Miller doesn't appear to try to do either

I have no proof of anything but the non-Occam sense I get is that he’s not mentally where he needs to be and that’s why he gets hurt. I don’t think he’s soft.

I do remember watching a college game of his (I can’t remember if it was before or after drafting him) for some PFF hiring test and he went to pass pro this safety from Oregon (?) and he just got blitzkrieged. I mean I haven’t seen a hit like that in like five years. And he got up and walked off the field under his own power. It was some kind of hit. So he’s not all that soft, IMO.
 
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Not exactly optimistic he's going to ever be worth what a lot of us paid for him in dynasty but he's for sure trending up IMO.
Yeah, it’s rough for those who’ve been in on him since he was a rookie.

I recently paid a 23rd round pick in a startup. If he fails to secure a role, he’s an easy drop when roster cut-down day hits. But at that price I felt like he was a decent dart throw.
 
For all my criticisms, fair or unfair, he still passes the eye test as an NFL RB and he just turned 23. Man...I need to stop, I think I'm talking myself into another roster clogger.....BUT, come to think of it, the Kamara/Miller starter/handcuff could be relatively cheap and pay off in spades. Here we go again! :ROFLMAO: :ponder:

 
Not exactly optimistic he's going to ever be worth what a lot of us paid for him in dynasty but he's for sure trending up IMO.

Yeah, he actually is. Looked rather spry and was the clear number two although he rotated back in with Akers.
He's the only RB on that team with any juice, Kamara included.
Other than volume last year, what did Kamara actually show? He helped me get to the championship game last year but I remember never really being impressed when I saw him.

I moved him this offseason for various reasons:
Saints offense is going to struggle
Moore has never thrown to the RB's
I really think the cliff is coming, better to be a year ahead than a year too late
Injury regression is due, has not had a serious injury or missed much time from what I recall
Will be a prime trade target before the trade deadline when the Saints are tanking (this is more to boost Millers value)

I was all over Kendre in the rookie draft, still think he can be the Saints RB1 at the end of this season.
 
Not exactly optimistic he's going to ever be worth what a lot of us paid for him in dynasty but he's for sure trending up IMO.

Yeah, he actually is. Looked rather spry and was the clear number two although he rotated back in with Akers.
He's the only RB on that team with any juice, Kamara included.
Other than volume last year, what did Kamara actually show? He helped me get to the championship game last year but I remember never really being impressed when I saw him.

I moved him this offseason for various reasons:
Saints offense is going to struggle
Moore has never thrown to the RB's
I really think the cliff is coming, better to be a year ahead than a year too late
Injury regression is due, has not had a serious injury or missed much time from what I recall
Will be a prime trade target before the trade deadline when the Saints are tanking (this is more to boost Millers value)

I was all over Kendre in the rookie draft, still think he can be the Saints RB1 at the end of this season.
To be fair, due to injuries to key positions the entire Saints offense was putrid. Teams could focus on stopping AK and worry about literally nothing else. Kamara for his part looked pretty good given the circumstances. But will it be any better of a situation this year? Maybe if a QB steps up and Olave/Shaheed stay healthy this team could surprise some people.
 
Not exactly optimistic he's going to ever be worth what a lot of us paid for him in dynasty but he's for sure trending up IMO.

Yeah, he actually is. Looked rather spry and was the clear number two although he rotated back in with Akers.
He's the only RB on that team with any juice, Kamara included.
Other than volume last year, what did Kamara actually show? He helped me get to the championship game last year but I remember never really being impressed when I saw him.

I moved him this offseason for various reasons:
Saints offense is going to struggle
Moore has never thrown to the RB's
I really think the cliff is coming, better to be a year ahead than a year too late
Injury regression is due, has not had a serious injury or missed much time from what I recall
Will be a prime trade target before the trade deadline when the Saints are tanking (this is more to boost Millers value)

I was all over Kendre in the rookie draft, still think he can be the Saints RB1 at the end of this season.

I think Kendre led the team in explosive runs (10 yards or more?). I read that. Kamara’s bread and butter was the passing game in the open field. He still runs nice RB routes and is great in the open field. It worked when they were running up the score on a few teams and Kubiak was new and they were healthy. That ended. And Kamara wasn’t as great. I mean, for PPR fantasy it was a very nice string. But he wasn’t impressive running the football. To me. But this situation is not one I’ve been a really good judge of, and Kamara’s pass pro and receiving game is still really good.
 
Undrafted in my 12-team 19-round redraft last night. Akers and Neal were drafted.

Wow. I know I’m an apologist but that seems like a mistake.

eta* not that he went undrafted, but that Akers and Neal were ahead of him. Who knows?
I had no interest in any of them. I’m generally avoiding the Saints but I did take Shaheed in the 11th because he was BPA.
 
Undrafted in my 12-team 19-round redraft last night. Akers and Neal were drafted.

Wow. I know I’m an apologist but that seems like a mistake.

eta* not that he went undrafted, but that Akers and Neal were ahead of him. Who knows?
I had no interest in any of them. I’m generally avoiding the Saints but I did take Shaheed in the 11th because he was BPA.

Now you make sense.
 
I still believe.

Kendre Miller this preseason: 5 missed tackles forced on 12 carries.

Kendre Miller last season: 4th among 91 qualifying RBs in missed tackles forced per attempt last year.
I want to believe and he looks good to me when he gets his shot but then I see that report from Russini where she lists the Saints as one of 3 teams hunting for a Rb on the trade market and my hope starts to die.
 
I still believe.

Kendre Miller this preseason: 5 missed tackles forced on 12 carries.

Kendre Miller last season: 4th among 91 qualifying RBs in missed tackles forced per attempt last year.
I want to believe and he looks good to me when he gets his shot but then I see that report from Russini where she lists the Saints as one of 3 teams hunting for a Rb on the trade market and my hope starts to die.

Yeah, I had the same thought. Hopefully, it's more about depth and says more about Neal's health and CEH. I'm thinking that if Miller is healthy, we should know what we have (or don't have) no later than week 1.

If they are in the market for B-Rob, then having something like that happen pronto would be a silver lining. There were too many interesting names that went undrafted last night to keep rostering Miller if he's not going to be trusted to handle the #2.
 
Hopefully, it's more about depth and says more about Neal's health and CEH
I'd like to think it's that as well but Neal did return to practice in the last day or so and I must admit CEH looked pretty good in their last preseason game. At least good enough to be a depth piece.

Out of the 3 teams she referenced as looking to acquire a RB they for sure were the surprise team but then again this is a team that has fairly recently has paid a 2nd, 4th and 7th round picks for a soon to be 26 year old rookie QB and a second year WR who will turn 28 before the season is over so who knows with this outfit.
 
Undrafted in my 12-team 19-round redraft last night. Akers and Neal were drafted.

Wow. I know I’m an apologist but that seems like a mistake.

eta* not that he went undrafted, but that Akers and Neal were ahead of him. Who knows?
Yeah I have been pretty negative on Miller but that's ridiculous IMO. I would for sure take Miller over both of them. I like Neal but Miller will get the first crack.
 
I wish he’d get cut and some RB-needy team would pick him up. Giggling Jerry in Dallas. Angsty Adam Peters in DC. Kar Krash Kyle in Frisco.
Sounds like he's locked in as the RB2 which you're right does suck because he's RB2 on a bottom 3 offense. But if he performs well this year, it will revive his dynasty stock in a big way.
 
I wish he’d get cut and some RB-needy team would pick him up. Giggling Jerry in Dallas. Angsty Adam Peters in DC. Kar Krash Kyle in Frisco.
Sounds like he's locked in as the RB2 which you're right does suck because he's RB2 on a bottom 3 offense. But if he performs well this year, it will revive his dynasty stock in a big way.

I can only dream of him in Dallas or DC. Just even if he gets run in NO we’re never going to see what he can do. Spencer Rattler and two OL down already (I think).
 
I wish he’d get cut and some RB-needy team would pick him up. Giggling Jerry in Dallas. Angsty Adam Peters in DC. Kar Krash Kyle in Frisco.
Sounds like he's locked in as the RB2 which you're right does suck because he's RB2 on a bottom 3 offense. But if he performs well this year, it will revive his dynasty stock in a big way.

I can only dream of him in Dallas or DC. Just even if he gets run in NO we’re never going to see what he can do. Spencer Rattler and two OL down already (I think).
Not a believer in Tyler Shough? I am kidding, I am not either.
 
I wish he’d get cut and some RB-needy team would pick him up. Giggling Jerry in Dallas. Angsty Adam Peters in DC. Kar Krash Kyle in Frisco.
Sounds like he's locked in as the RB2 which you're right does suck because he's RB2 on a bottom 3 offense. But if he performs well this year, it will revive his dynasty stock in a big way.

I can only dream of him in Dallas or DC. Just even if he gets run in NO we’re never going to see what he can do. Spencer Rattler and two OL down already (I think).
Not a believer in Tyler Shough? I am kidding, I am not either.
Problem with Dallas is I wouldn’t trust them to pivot to Kendre quickly enough ahead of Javonte or Sanders, plus Schottenheimer is a mediocre at best offensive playcaller. The Commanders seem to like their group of JCM, Ekeler, and Rodriguez. The Saints still offer the clearest path to reps, wouldn’t need to learn a new playbook on the fly, and Kellen Moore is at least solid as an offensive mind.
 
I wish he’d get cut and some RB-needy team would pick him up. Giggling Jerry in Dallas. Angsty Adam Peters in DC. Kar Krash Kyle in Frisco.
Sounds like he's locked in as the RB2 which you're right does suck because he's RB2 on a bottom 3 offense. But if he performs well this year, it will revive his dynasty stock in a big way.

I can only dream of him in Dallas or DC. Just even if he gets run in NO we’re never going to see what he can do. Spencer Rattler and two OL down already (I think).
Not a believer in Tyler Shough? I am kidding, I am not either.
Problem with Dallas is I wouldn’t trust them to pivot to Kendre quickly enough ahead of Javonte or Sanders, plus Schottenheimer is a mediocre at best offensive playcaller. The Commanders seem to like their group of JCM, Ekeler, and Rodriguez. The Saints still offer the clearest path to reps, wouldn’t need to learn a new playbook on the fly, and Kellen Moore is at least solid as an offensive mind.
Yeah, I’d still rather it take half of the year because Kellen isn’t an alchemist. He’s not turning it into gold. Give me mediocrity and competition over whatever New Orleans is doing.
 
General RB health can’t be as good as last year, can it? If not, maybe Kamara becomes a trade candidate or possibly he gets hurt.
 

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