RB Kendre Miller, NO (1 Viewer)

[H8fulHuck]

Path to meaningful touches is rosy enough for me to grab some (5%) round 18 shares in Underdog best ball. Miller is free and typically goes undrafted. I don't want to be at 0% on the most talented RB behind 30 yo Kamara.

That said, have more Kamara shares (12%) than Miller/Neal combined. I'll be much happier if those backups remain right where they are.

 

[Dave Kluge]

Path to meaningful touches is rosy enough for me to grab some (5%) round 18 shares in Underdog best ball. Miller is free and typically goes undrafted. I don't want to be at 0% on the most talented RB behind 30 yo Kamara.

That said, have more Kamara shares (12%) than Miller/Neal combined. I'll be much happier if those backups remain right where they are.

Kendre should be the RB2. It seems like his lack of play was more of a vendetta against him from Dennis Allen than any knock on his actual play. In the few flashes we saw, he looked great. And still very young.

 

[Ilov80s]

Path to meaningful touches is rosy enough for me to grab some (5%) round 18 shares in Underdog best ball. Miller is free and typically goes undrafted. I don't want to be at 0% on the most talented RB behind 30 yo Kamara.

That said, have more Kamara shares (12%) than Miller/Neal combined. I'll be much happier if those backups remain right where they are.

Kendre should be the RB2. It seems like his lack of play was more of a vendetta against him from Dennis Allen than any knock on his actual play. In the few flashes we saw, he looked great. And still very young.

I saw him make a pretty nice catch once. I forget if it was regular season or preseason but other than that I don't recall much. He's got a 3.8 ypc on 80 carries over 2 years. Did he show a lot of flashes? I don't know but it did seem to me Allen's vendetta against him was a bit justified. Miller seemed to never be healthy and the tea leaves point to his lack of professionalism as playing a role. If Irecall correctly, he never tested before the draft process (was probably hurt) so we actually don't even know what kind of athlete he is. I'll put my money down on Devin Neal. He was an absolutel dawg in college.

 

[Biabreakable]

Saints Training Camp Day 1: Spencer Rattler perfect in passing

By Ross Jackson METAIRIE, La. - The New Orleans Saints took the field for the first time since minicamps wrapp...

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Not sure how anyone would think Miller is the #2 RB when he didn't get 1st team reps.

 

[Dave Kluge]

Path to meaningful touches is rosy enough for me to grab some (5%) round 18 shares in Underdog best ball. Miller is free and typically goes undrafted. I don't want to be at 0% on the most talented RB behind 30 yo Kamara.

That said, have more Kamara shares (12%) than Miller/Neal combined. I'll be much happier if those backups remain right where they are.

Kendre should be the RB2. It seems like his lack of play was more of a vendetta against him from Dennis Allen than any knock on his actual play. In the few flashes we saw, he looked great. And still very young.

I saw him make a pretty nice catch once. I forget if it was regular season or preseason but other than that I don't recall much. He's got a 3.8 ypc on 80 carries over 2 years. Did he show a lot of flashes? I don't know but it did seem to me Allen's vendetta against him was a bit justified. Miller seemed to never be healthy and the tea leaves point to his lack of professionalism as playing a role. If Irecall correctly, he never tested before the draft process (was probably hurt) so we actually don't even know what kind of athlete he is. I'll put my money down on Devin Neal. He was an absolutel dawg in college.

I like what I see on the field much more than what his efficiency numbers say. And I'll defer to Matt Waldman here, who does much better at film analysis than I can ever dream of. He really liked what he saw last year, too.

https://x.com/MattWaldman/status/1866891991096705230

 

[Dave Kluge]

Saints Training Camp Day 1: Spencer Rattler perfect in passing

By Ross Jackson METAIRIE, La. - The New Orleans Saints took the field for the first time since minicamps wrapp...

www.louisianasports.net

Not sure how anyone would think Miller is the #2 RB when he didn't get 1st team reps.

He was getting reps with the first team on Thursday.

https://x.com/RossJacksonNOLA/status/1948408216385094092

They've really been mixing it up in New Orleans so far. Entirely new staff with a bunch of incumbent pieces. I don't think the coaching staff even knows the pecking order yet. But I would guess that Kendre climbs the ladder.

 

[Biabreakable]

Saints Training Camp Day 1: Spencer Rattler perfect in passing

By Ross Jackson METAIRIE, La. - The New Orleans Saints took the field for the first time since minicamps wrapp...

www.louisianasports.net

Not sure how anyone would think Miller is the #2 RB when he didn't get 1st team reps.

He was getting reps with the first team on Thursday.

https://x.com/RossJacksonNOLA/status/1948408216385094092

They've really been mixing it up in New Orleans so far. Entirely new staff with a bunch of incumbent pieces. I don't think the coaching staff even knows the pecking order yet. But I would guess that Kendre climbs the ladder.

Well I would guess that Neal the player they drafted is better than Miller and CEH as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Saints Training Camp Day 1: Spencer Rattler perfect in passing

By Ross Jackson METAIRIE, La. - The New Orleans Saints took the field for the first time since minicamps wrapp...

www.louisianasports.net

Not sure how anyone would think Miller is the #2 RB when he didn't get 1st team reps.

He was getting reps with the first team on Thursday.

https://x.com/RossJacksonNOLA/status/1948408216385094092

They've really been mixing it up in New Orleans so far. Entirely new staff with a bunch of incumbent pieces. I don't think the coaching staff even knows the pecking order yet. But I would guess that Kendre climbs the ladder.

Well I would guess that Neal the player they drafted is better than Miller and CEH as well.

Pretty sure the equipment guy & the dude who scans the ticket barcodes are ahead of CEH.

 

[Dave Kluge]

Saints Training Camp Day 1: Spencer Rattler perfect in passing

By Ross Jackson METAIRIE, La. - The New Orleans Saints took the field for the first time since minicamps wrapp...

www.louisianasports.net

Not sure how anyone would think Miller is the #2 RB when he didn't get 1st team reps.

He was getting reps with the first team on Thursday.

https://x.com/RossJacksonNOLA/status/1948408216385094092

They've really been mixing it up in New Orleans so far. Entirely new staff with a bunch of incumbent pieces. I don't think the coaching staff even knows the pecking order yet. But I would guess that Kendre climbs the ladder.

Well I would guess that Neal the player they drafted is better than Miller and CEH as well.

Obviously different staffs selected these players. But Kendre Miller was an early 3rd-rounder who has dealt with injuries throughout his career. Neal was a 6th. They're just about a year apart in age, too, as Miller came into the league young. I think Miller is just a better prospect/player than Neal.

 

[menobrown]

Saints Training Camp Day 1: Spencer Rattler perfect in passing

By Ross Jackson METAIRIE, La. - The New Orleans Saints took the field for the first time since minicamps wrapp...

www.louisianasports.net

Not sure how anyone would think Miller is the #2 RB when he didn't get 1st team reps.

He was getting reps with the first team on Thursday.

https://x.com/RossJacksonNOLA/status/1948408216385094092

They've really been mixing it up in New Orleans so far. Entirely new staff with a bunch of incumbent pieces. I don't think the coaching staff even knows the pecking order yet. But I would guess that Kendre climbs the ladder.

I posted up thread that I figured that's who you got that report from and pointed out Kamara was resting that day and the previous days when all the RB's were participating that Ross Jackson wrote a practice report detailing Kendre was essentially running as the #4.

Saw them lineup in drills yesterday and by itself not a big indicator, very small to be fair, but that they went in the same pecking order as reports indicated they were working with the first team it carried some weight with me.

Now we can all agree it's ridiculously early in camp with a new staff and these things can change. But where I'd also think we could agree or at least I feel this way is where we are today is discouraging for someone who was supposedly given a clean/blank slate, early reports back in OTA or mini-camp that he looked explosive and he's still running behind CEH and a 6th round rookie about a week into camp is not exactly giving me the positive vibes.

Want to be clear if he ever hit he could the most impactful player to the entire league to me for dynasty were I own him on 5/8 teams so I hope no one thinks I'm trying to be a troll here.

While I love your positivity my thinking right now is that we've seen several players like him over the years. Players that look electric/explosive to us, that might have even be productive when given shots, but that their coaching staff(s) just never like them the way we do for reasons most likely due to consistency, work ethic, knowing where to be. I do recall last year, recall it because I found it disturbing, that when he got some action late in the year I kept seeing him need to be told where to line up and could see some obvious frustration from the staff and him. Coaches hate that stuff and it's my working theory that's most likely why he's currently running 4th even if he's clearly head and shoulders the most explosive RB on the roster.

 

[dmac37]

This report sucks, anyone know if this guy is credible?

NOLA.com’s Matthew Paras left Kendre Miller off his projection of the Saints’ 53-man roster.
“As of now, the third-year running back has been far too inconsistent through nine practices and he’s been outshone by several other backs,” Paras writes. Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Devin Neal (currently dealing with a hamstring injury) could be the main backs to know behind Alvin Kamara this year, with Neal being the upside choice of the two.

 

[menobrown]

This report sucks, anyone know if this guy is credible?

He's not Nick Underhill but he's credible.

I would add other also credible Saints writers think it's still a competition for roster spots and roles and I'd imagine Paras would agree with them. He's just saying what he's seeing now and that jives with other reports where he's typically rotating in after CHE and Neal. The latter's injury, which he referenced, could of course change things.

TBH the way I see it if he can't win the backup job I'd just as well see him cut.

I would not be confident a change of scenery would help him because his problems will probably go with him but better then dying on the vine as the RB3 or worse.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What’s surprising is the timing. Just read they have a couple injuries to the RB room & Miller was essentially RB2 by default at the moment.

 

[rockaction]

He’s toast. I haven’t messed up this badly in dynasty in a bunch of years. Worst ever eval and call. I learned a hard lesson. I’d love to know what the inconsistency is. It’s gotta be playbook/head related. I’m going to check in on this later tonight. I have to unbox a record set which will take a while. Long story.

eta* he’s not totally toast. I’m not going to be able to cut him, I don’t think. My running backs stink. I could have had Achane. Oof.

 

[Mitchie]

Don't see how it's possible for him to not make the roster with Neal having an injury, Kamara also didn't have very good rushing stats last year, and then there's CEH. I mean, come on.

 

[IHEARTFF]

He’s toast. I haven’t messed up this badly in dynasty in a bunch of years. Worst ever eval and call. I learned a hard lesson. I’d love to know what the inconsistency is. It’s gotta be playbook/head related. I’m going to check in on this later tonight. I have to unbox a record set which will take a while. Long story.

eta* he’s not totally toast. I’m not going to be able to cut him, I don’t think. My running backs stink. I could have had Achane. Oof.

I traded back 1 spot thinking I would get whichever of the 2 fell but then the other guy picked Achane and I felt a little sad. Busts happen, but it would certainly be good to know what to avoid here if possible.

 

[Ilov80s]

Saints Training Camp Day 1: Spencer Rattler perfect in passing

By Ross Jackson METAIRIE, La. - The New Orleans Saints took the field for the first time since minicamps wrapp...

www.louisianasports.net

Not sure how anyone would think Miller is the #2 RB when he didn't get 1st team reps.

He was getting reps with the first team on Thursday.

https://x.com/RossJacksonNOLA/status/1948408216385094092

They've really been mixing it up in New Orleans so far. Entirely new staff with a bunch of incumbent pieces. I don't think the coaching staff even knows the pecking order yet. But I would guess that Kendre climbs the ladder.

Well I would guess that Neal the player they drafted is better than Miller and CEH as well.

Obviously different staffs selected these players. But Kendre Miller was an early 3rd-rounder who has dealt with injuries throughout his career. Neal was a 6th. They're just about a year apart in age, too, as Miller came into the league young. I think Miller is just a better prospect/player than Neal.

Very different draft classes though. This last RB rookie class was so crazy deep. Devin Neal was such a better college player than Miller.

 

[Biabreakable]

Saints Training Camp Day 1: Spencer Rattler perfect in passing

By Ross Jackson METAIRIE, La. - The New Orleans Saints took the field for the first time since minicamps wrapp...

www.louisianasports.net

Not sure how anyone would think Miller is the #2 RB when he didn't get 1st team reps.

He was getting reps with the first team on Thursday.

https://x.com/RossJacksonNOLA/status/1948408216385094092

They've really been mixing it up in New Orleans so far. Entirely new staff with a bunch of incumbent pieces. I don't think the coaching staff even knows the pecking order yet. But I would guess that Kendre climbs the ladder.

Well I would guess that Neal the player they drafted is better than Miller and CEH as well.

Obviously different staffs selected these players. But Kendre Miller was an early 3rd-rounder who has dealt with injuries throughout his career. Neal was a 6th. They're just about a year apart in age, too, as Miller came into the league young. I think Miller is just a better prospect/player than Neal.

Very different draft classes though. This last RB rookie class was so crazy deep. Devin Neal is such a better player than Miller.

Fixed.

 

[rockaction]

I traded back 1 spot thinking I would get whichever of the 2 fell but then the other guy picked Achane and I felt a little sad. Busts happen, but it would certainly be good to know what to avoid here if possible.

I just read Waldman from 12/11/24

He was complimentary of his running ability and ability to catch and run in the passing game. His blocking was another story. Here's Waldman:

"As a ball carrier, Miller can deliver moments where you can see him offering excellent value when Alvin Kamara's career as a Saint ends. The talent shines through even some of the rough moments of working through obstacles that trip up young runners at the NFL level. While not as refined a decision-maker as Kamara, Miller's footwork and ability to dictate and react to obstacles approaches some of the special things we've seen Kamara do over the years.

Where Miller is not ready to take over for Kamara is the passing game -- diagnosing and executing against blitzes as well as being on the same page with his quarterback when leaking into open zones. It's possible that Miller earned the ire of former head coach Dennis Allen because of his lack of detail in the passing game. Poor execution as a pass protector can ruin an offense's season with one hit. Poor execution as a route runner can ruin the outcome of a game. Combine these areas needing improvement with nagging injuries, and it's easy to see why Allen -- who probably saw New Orleans in a win-now window to begin the year -- saw Miller as a short-term liability in a situation where Allen only had a short-term tenure if he didn't win early and often. ."

"[In sum], Miller has high-end running skills, good pass-catching, and the potential to improve his details as a route runner and pass protector. Kamara is still good but aging, and when the veteran reaches that cliff, the descent will be sudden and steep."

"If you're rebuilding or contending and have the luxury, Miller is a great hold because his temporary value could rise and you can be in a position to leverage it on the field or the open market."

And there you have it. That's pretty much the story. I'm kicking myself, but how do you know that a guy can't figure out the playbook (or doesn't want to)?

 

[Birdie048]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...
We all saw the potential... but is it really over? Has the fat lady sung on Miller?

I am willing to hold at this point (Own Kamara too .... hope to get Neal next week draft 4th round). but we will see.
But this is all a sign of his inability to learn the more complicated aspects of NFL RB role.
Natural ability will only get you far in college, but in NFL, all players are "Best in Conference/All American" caliber.

 

[steelcityman]

Too bad Neal got injured or his name would be in place of Miller when it comes to talking about Kamara's replacement. Drafting/keeping/trading for Miller seems silly to me.
Miller and all the other "RBs" the Saints have in camp will get ample time this weekend.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Miller did just turn 23, but if he hasn't figured it out by now, he probably won't.

 

[KellysHeroes]

What's kinda of crazy was there was just some positive spins about him and Neal just got hurt. This is why I dont take camp buzz too serious and just wait for the preseason games

 

[rockaction]

What's kinda of crazy was there was just some positive spins about him and Neal just got hurt. This is why I dont take camp buzz too serious and just wait for the preseason games

I found this article last night. It’s a beat writer’s projection. There’s an article from two days ago that’s a bullcrap puff piece on him. It’s really just no new news. They’re taking camp reps and extrapolating. Things could very well change. If they don’t then one sees about him on a new team.

I think guy doesn’t know the playbook and won’t pick up a new one but I’m a pessimist with this guy now.

 

[menobrown]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

 

[Birdie048]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

Correct ... Not any offers .... just clogging up my roster with his "potential"....

 

[JoeJoe88]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

I’m fairly confident I could post in the GroupChat right now he was on the block and I’m not even sure I’d get offered a 5th.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I'm not sure what the real deal is, but he doesn't seem like he wants to put in the work necessary to become an NFL star. The opportunity has been there. I'm done with him in fantasy and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's cut by the Saints.

 

[menobrown]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

I’m fairly confident I could post in the GroupChat right now he was on the block and I’m not even sure I’d get offered a 5th.

He was cut in a lot of FFPC dynasty leagues and I think he usually got re-drafted in 4-5th and he’s not exactly picked up steam so sounds about right.

I will say I got offered a 4th for him the day after people saw him run with the 1’s.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

I’m fairly confident I could post in the GroupChat right now he was on the block and I’m not even sure I’d get offered a 5th.

He was cut in a lot of FFPC dynasty leagues and I think he usually got re-drafted in 4-5th and he’s not exactly picked up steam so sounds about right.

I will say I got offered a 4th for him the day after people saw him run with the 1’s.

There are RBs I wouldn't mind taking a swing at in the 4th of my upcoming rookie draft, but I'd rather go down with the ship with Miller. Heck, I think the same could be said about a mid-3rd, though I wouldn't fault anyone for pivoting to Neal or something of that sort.

 

[Ilov80s]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

I’m fairly confident I could post in the GroupChat right now he was on the block and I’m not even sure I’d get offered a 5th.

He was cut in a lot of FFPC dynasty leagues and I think he usually got re-drafted in 4-5th and he’s not exactly picked up steam so sounds about right.

I will say I got offered a 4th for him the day after people saw him run with the 1’s.

There are RBs I wouldn't mind taking a swing at in the 4th of my upcoming rookie draft, but I'd rather go down with the ship with Miller. Heck, I think the same could be said about a mid-3rd, though I wouldn't fault anyone for pivoting to Neal or something of that sort.

I believe you already have about 15 feet of Lake Pontchartrain above you at this point

 

[menobrown]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

I’m fairly confident I could post in the GroupChat right now he was on the block and I’m not even sure I’d get offered a 5th.

He was cut in a lot of FFPC dynasty leagues and I think he usually got re-drafted in 4-5th and he’s not exactly picked up steam so sounds about right.

I will say I got offered a 4th for him the day after people saw him run with the 1’s.

There are RBs I wouldn't mind taking a swing at in the 4th of my upcoming rookie draft, but I'd rather go down with the ship with Miller. Heck, I think the same could be said about a mid-3rd, though I wouldn't fault anyone for pivoting to Neal or something of that sort.

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

I’m fairly confident I could post in the GroupChat right now he was on the block and I’m not even sure I’d get offered a 5th.

He was cut in a lot of FFPC dynasty leagues and I think he usually got re-drafted in 4-5th and he’s not exactly picked up steam so sounds about right.

I will say I got offered a 4th for him the day after people saw him run with the 1’s.

There are RBs I wouldn't mind taking a swing at in the 4th of my upcoming rookie draft, but I'd rather go down with the ship with Miller. Heck, I think the same could be said about a mid-3rd, though I wouldn't fault anyone for pivoting to Neal or something of that sort.

Pretty much the same but I'd a current 4th would have been more appealing then a future 4th in that weak looking crop we got coming next year.

I don't really have a lot of interest to pivot to Neal myself. I think Kendre's a superior prospect and while it's likely he's got some issues between the ears I'd rather ride it out farther. By farther I mean seeing what he can do preseason/camp, if he can impress Kellen Moore or another team, prepared to start cutting ties if things still look as south as they look today.

 

[scothawk]

Neal injury is a couple of weeks. Not a death sentence for his roster spot at all.

Miler is gifted a chance to stake his claim. But one error and I think he is on his way to the PS in NO or somewhere else.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

I’m fairly confident I could post in the GroupChat right now he was on the block and I’m not even sure I’d get offered a 5th.

He was cut in a lot of FFPC dynasty leagues and I think he usually got re-drafted in 4-5th and he’s not exactly picked up steam so sounds about right.

I will say I got offered a 4th for him the day after people saw him run with the 1’s.

There are RBs I wouldn't mind taking a swing at in the 4th of my upcoming rookie draft, but I'd rather go down with the ship with Miller. Heck, I think the same could be said about a mid-3rd, though I wouldn't fault anyone for pivoting to Neal or something of that sort.

I believe you already have about 15 feet of Lake Pontchartrain above you at this point

LOL -- I didn't realize there were any real developments through camp. Scrolling up, it looks like at least one beat writer has been unimpressed.

I'd probably take that 3rd that isn't being offered.

If it's crystal clear that he has no chance to be the next man up after Kamara, it's definitely time to reclaim the roster spot. Not sure that's crystal clear just yet, but It might be within a week or two. At the end, it's a question of who offers more upside between Miller, Roschon, or McLaughlin, so he still has a place as the last man on my 24-man roster for at least a few more days.

 

[ericttspikes]

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

I’m fairly confident I could post in the GroupChat right now he was on the block and I’m not even sure I’d get offered a 5th.

He was cut in a lot of FFPC dynasty leagues and I think he usually got re-drafted in 4-5th and he’s not exactly picked up steam so sounds about right.

I will say I got offered a 4th for him the day after people saw him run with the 1’s.

There are RBs I wouldn't mind taking a swing at in the 4th of my upcoming rookie draft, but I'd rather go down with the ship with Miller. Heck, I think the same could be said about a mid-3rd, though I wouldn't fault anyone for pivoting to Neal or something of that sort.

Kendre Miller owner with the 2.01 pick ... I have turned down a few decent offers ... best was late 1st but I felt his "potential" outweighed the trade value ...

No one is offering this kind of stuff now, right?

I’m fairly confident I could post in the GroupChat right now he was on the block and I’m not even sure I’d get offered a 5th.

He was cut in a lot of FFPC dynasty leagues and I think he usually got re-drafted in 4-5th and he’s not exactly picked up steam so sounds about right.

I will say I got offered a 4th for him the day after people saw him run with the 1’s.

There are RBs I wouldn't mind taking a swing at in the 4th of my upcoming rookie draft, but I'd rather go down with the ship with Miller. Heck, I think the same could be said about a mid-3rd, though I wouldn't fault anyone for pivoting to Neal or something of that sort.

Pretty much the same but I'd a current 4th would have been more appealing then a future 4th in that weak looking crop we got coming next year.

I don't really have a lot of interest to pivot to Neal myself. I think Kendre's a superior prospect and while it's likely he's got some issues between the ears I'd rather ride it out farther. By farther I mean seeing what he can do preseason/camp, if he can impress Kellen Moore or another team, prepared to start cutting ties if things still look as south as they look today.

This is where I'm at, although I've seen some excitement about Neal as a prospect, but I don't follow KU and don't really see it on the tape I've seen. BUT, the fact that a healthy Miller hasn't been able to pull away from a stable of CEH, Akers and Marcus Yarns is kinda a huge red flag IMO.

 

[menobrown]

If this makes people feel better another beat writer roster projection from credible source who has him making the team, though even in his writeup he refernces Kellen Moore saying keeping 3-4 RB's is typical and then goes on to predict they will carry 5, but at least he listed Kendre second: https://www.louisianasports.net/202...-saints-53-man-roster-projection/top-stories/

Running Backs (5)

• Alvin Kamara
• Kendre Miller
• Clyde Edwards-Helaire
• Devin Neal
• Velus Jones Jr.

What can change? Running back Cam Akers has NFL experience and has made a lot of big plays in his day. He has a chance to challenge and shake up this room. Jones is intriguing because of his additional pass-catching contributions. He could be a Ty Montgomery-like player that also provides some depth at wide receiver while holding just one roster spot. Moore said that keeping three or four running backs on the active roster is typical. We’re deviating from that for now because of Jones’ ability to help at wideout if needed.

 

[Ilov80s]

If this makes people feel better another beat writer roster projection from credible source who has him making the team, though even in his writeup he refernces Kellen Moore saying keeping 3-4 RB's is typical and then goes on to predict they will carry 5, but at least he listed Kendre second: https://www.louisianasports.net/202...-saints-53-man-roster-projection/top-stories/

Running Backs (5)

• Alvin Kamara
• Kendre Miller
• Clyde Edwards-Helaire
• Devin Neal
• Velus Jones Jr.

What can change? Running back Cam Akers has NFL experience and has made a lot of big plays in his day. He has a chance to challenge and shake up this room. Jones is intriguing because of his additional pass-catching contributions. He could be a Ty Montgomery-like player that also provides some depth at wide receiver while holding just one roster spot. Moore said that keeping three or four running backs on the active roster is typical. We’re deviating from that for now because of Jones’ ability to help at wideout if needed.

Here is the sad part. Even if you run good and Miller thoroughly locks down that 2nd RB spot. He's probably not getting GL or passing down work because that's Kamara's bread and butter. So now you have the often injured backup RB on one of the worst offenses in the league with no starting caliber QBs on the roster and when the ream moves on from Kamara he's likely to get passed over as he's entering the end of his contract. I would say find any little value bump you can get in the next month and sell.

 

[menobrown]

If this makes people feel better another beat writer roster projection from credible source who has him making the team, though even in his writeup he refernces Kellen Moore saying keeping 3-4 RB's is typical and then goes on to predict they will carry 5, but at least he listed Kendre second: https://www.louisianasports.net/202...-saints-53-man-roster-projection/top-stories/

Running Backs (5)

• Alvin Kamara
• Kendre Miller
• Clyde Edwards-Helaire
• Devin Neal
• Velus Jones Jr.

What can change? Running back Cam Akers has NFL experience and has made a lot of big plays in his day. He has a chance to challenge and shake up this room. Jones is intriguing because of his additional pass-catching contributions. He could be a Ty Montgomery-like player that also provides some depth at wide receiver while holding just one roster spot. Moore said that keeping three or four running backs on the active roster is typical. We’re deviating from that for now because of Jones’ ability to help at wideout if needed.

Here is the sad part. Even if you run good and Miller thoroughly locks down that 2nd RB spot. He's probably not getting GL or passing down work because that's Kamara's bread and butter. So now you have the often injured backup RB on one of the worst offenses in the league with no starting caliber QBs on the roster and when the ream moves on from Kamara he's likely to get passed over as he's entering the end of his contract. I would say find any little value bump you can get in the next month and sell.

Man you sure like to paint the most negative possible outcomes.

If he locked up the #2 I'd counter with Kamara been a fantasy force in this offense he's been more he'd kind of sneakily been more of a plodder then a guy like Najee Harris has been the last few years. I would for sure not assume he won't get GL carries. The offense as a whole probably won't be very good but the OL is probably a lot better then people think. If he gets the #2 job he has all the opportunity in the world to prove his worth and value and carve out a role here and in the future.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I grabbed him on the 28th round of a dynasty start up recently. With that kind of price tag, why the hell wouldn’t I pick him?

 

[Ilov80s]

If this makes people feel better another beat writer roster projection from credible source who has him making the team, though even in his writeup he refernces Kellen Moore saying keeping 3-4 RB's is typical and then goes on to predict they will carry 5, but at least he listed Kendre second: https://www.louisianasports.net/202...-saints-53-man-roster-projection/top-stories/

Running Backs (5)

• Alvin Kamara
• Kendre Miller
• Clyde Edwards-Helaire
• Devin Neal
• Velus Jones Jr.

What can change? Running back Cam Akers has NFL experience and has made a lot of big plays in his day. He has a chance to challenge and shake up this room. Jones is intriguing because of his additional pass-catching contributions. He could be a Ty Montgomery-like player that also provides some depth at wide receiver while holding just one roster spot. Moore said that keeping three or four running backs on the active roster is typical. We’re deviating from that for now because of Jones’ ability to help at wideout if needed.

Here is the sad part. Even if you run good and Miller thoroughly locks down that 2nd RB spot. He's probably not getting GL or passing down work because that's Kamara's bread and butter. So now you have the often injured backup RB on one of the worst offenses in the league with no starting caliber QBs on the roster and when the ream moves on from Kamara he's likely to get passed over as he's entering the end of his contract. I would say find any little value bump you can get in the next month and sell.

Man you sure like to paint the most negative possible outcomes.

If he locked up the #2 I'd counter with Kamara been a fantasy force in this offense he's been more he'd kind of sneakily been more of a plodder then a guy like Najee Harris has been the last few years. I would for sure not assume he won't get GL carries. The offense as a whole probably won't be very good but the OL is probably a lot better then people think. If he gets the #2 job he has all the opportunity in the world to prove his worth and value and carve out a role here and in the future.

I mean most players disappoint. I can be plenty positive. There are plenty of those posts in the ETN thread (which looked really bad then really good and now bad again). I like Henry this year and am willing to take another shot with CMC. Jeanty is going to crush. Hampton too. I can't believe it, I have warmed up a lot on Matthew Golden. I like Jayden Reed. I was a fan of Miller going into rookie drafts too. But I look at the objective facts surrounding Kendre Miller at this point and it doesn't point anywhere good.

 

[Mitchie]

Doubt he gets cut, still worth a flyer imo

 

[menobrown]

If this makes people feel better another beat writer roster projection from credible source who has him making the team, though even in his writeup he refernces Kellen Moore saying keeping 3-4 RB's is typical and then goes on to predict they will carry 5, but at least he listed Kendre second: https://www.louisianasports.net/202...-saints-53-man-roster-projection/top-stories/

Running Backs (5)

• Alvin Kamara
• Kendre Miller
• Clyde Edwards-Helaire
• Devin Neal
• Velus Jones Jr.

What can change? Running back Cam Akers has NFL experience and has made a lot of big plays in his day. He has a chance to challenge and shake up this room. Jones is intriguing because of his additional pass-catching contributions. He could be a Ty Montgomery-like player that also provides some depth at wide receiver while holding just one roster spot. Moore said that keeping three or four running backs on the active roster is typical. We’re deviating from that for now because of Jones’ ability to help at wideout if needed.

Here is the sad part. Even if you run good and Miller thoroughly locks down that 2nd RB spot. He's probably not getting GL or passing down work because that's Kamara's bread and butter. So now you have the often injured backup RB on one of the worst offenses in the league with no starting caliber QBs on the roster and when the ream moves on from Kamara he's likely to get passed over as he's entering the end of his contract. I would say find any little value bump you can get in the next month and sell.

Man you sure like to paint the most negative possible outcomes.

If he locked up the #2 I'd counter with Kamara been a fantasy force in this offense he's been more he'd kind of sneakily been more of a plodder then a guy like Najee Harris has been the last few years. I would for sure not assume he won't get GL carries. The offense as a whole probably won't be very good but the OL is probably a lot better then people think. If he gets the #2 job he has all the opportunity in the world to prove his worth and value and carve out a role here and in the future.

I mean most players disappoint. I can be plenty positive. There are plenty of those posts in the ETN thread (which looked really bad then really good and now bad again). I like Henry this year and am willing to take another shot with CMC. Jeanty is going to crush. Hampton too. I can't believe it, I have warmed up a lot on Matthew Golden. I like Jayden Reed. I was a fan of Miller going into rookie drafts too. But I look at the objective facts surrounding Kendre Miller at this point and it doesn't point anywhere good.

My comment was really in regard to our recent discussion on Judkins. The one where I accused you of being Chicken Little.

I feel like I'm being objective and looking at facts as well. Maybe different approaches but if I had to pinpoint one strategy of mine in fantasy football that has been the most successful it's been investing in players, dynasty and redraft, that disappointed people that I think have talent and just had a run of bad luck/situations.

I've long said FF requires a little creative thinking sometimes. Trying to see things how they could be. Not delusional thinking, but trying to examine why things went bad and then trying to envision a scenario where things could improve and how realistic is that to happen. I really don't think it will work out Kendre, but I can still envision a scenario that it will and would like to at least give him his full slate of preseason to see if the lights go on.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

You guys are investing way too much time in dude.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You guys are investing way too much time in dude.

We probably have more posts about him in the last 24 hours than the number of snaps he’ll play for the saints in the regular season.

 

[rockaction]

You guys are investing way too much time in dude.

I want to laugh with you, but he was the 1.05 in my world and a reach by about six spots. I gave the 2.12 to move from 1.12 to get him. So stupid. Okay, everyone following this thread regularly knows the story, but we keep getting new people to where I feel it's necessary to keep explaining why I’m spending time on him. In fact, this is the direct, uh, statement (hopefully good-natured taunt?) to which I'm responding.

It’s not even a sunk cost—guy has lots of running and catching talent by virtually all accounts—because we still do not know his fate and if you think you do, you’re jumping the gun and being unwise.

I’m just trying to figure out his attitude and ability to process knowledge because Dennis Allen (26-53) and his .329 winning percentage (which is the third worst in history for guys over 75 games—the 75 games being a point in his favor, but each team of his two had nearly absent ownership) tried to run him out of town. So of course I don’t trust him or his staff. That would also be unwise.

I personally think this guy is probably (70%?) either thick as a brick in the head or his attitude is rare in a bad way. I don’t know, but nothing really about his situation or the way he handles himself on social media add up to glowing reports about his demeanor. But guys can get buried under a whole lot of explainable stuff, or they change—or a change of scenery means everything for them. I’ve traded first-rounders before, so I’m usually not hyper-stuck on a guy, but I’d think he needs to flash or show something to hold him through the year.

 

[BespokeJort]

You guys are investing way too much time in dude.

I want to laugh with you, but he was the 1.05 in my world and a reach by about six spots. I gave the 2.12 to move from 1.12 to get him. So stupid. Okay, everyone following this thread regularly knows the story, but we keep getting new people to explain why I’m spending time.

It’s not even a sunk cost—guy has lots of running and catching talent by virtually all accounts—because we still do not know his fate and if you think you do, you’re jumping the gun and being unwise.

I’m just trying to figure out his attitude and ability to process knowledge because Dennis Allen (26-53) and his .329 winning percentage (which is the third worst in history for guys over 75 games—the 75 games being a point in his favor, but each team of his two had nearly absent ownership) tried to run him out of town. So of course I don’t trust him or his staff. That would also be unwise.

I personally think this guy is probably (70%?) either thick as a brick in the head or his attitude is rare in a bad way. I don’t know, but nothing really about his situation or the way he handles himself on social media add up to glowing reports about his demeanor. But guys can get buried under a whole lot of explainable stuff, or they change—or a change of scenery means everything for them. I’ve traded first-rounders before, so I’m usually not hyper-stuck on a guy, but I’d think he needs to flash or show something to hold him through the year.

I like kaleb but watching how it went for people who paid 1.05 for this guy (in my league too!) makes me very uneasy spending mid to high 1sts on 3rd round RBs

 

[rockaction]

You guys are investing way too much time in dude.

I want to laugh with you, but he was the 1.05 in my world and a reach by about six spots. I gave the 2.12 to move from 1.12 to get him. So stupid. Okay, everyone following this thread regularly knows the story, but we keep getting new people to explain why I’m spending time.

It’s not even a sunk cost—guy has lots of running and catching talent by virtually all accounts—because we still do not know his fate and if you think you do, you’re jumping the gun and being unwise.

I’m just trying to figure out his attitude and ability to process knowledge because Dennis Allen (26-53) and his .329 winning percentage (which is the third worst in history for guys over 75 games—the 75 games being a point in his favor, but each team of his two had nearly absent ownership) tried to run him out of town. So of course I don’t trust him or his staff. That would also be unwise.

I personally think this guy is probably (70%?) either thick as a brick in the head or his attitude is rare in a bad way. I don’t know, but nothing really about his situation or the way he handles himself on social media add up to glowing reports about his demeanor. But guys can get buried under a whole lot of explainable stuff, or they change—or a change of scenery means everything for them. I’ve traded first-rounders before, so I’m usually not hyper-stuck on a guy, but I’d think he needs to flash or show something to hold him through the year.

I like kaleb but watching how it went for people who paid 1.05 for this guy (in my league too!) makes me very uneasy spending mid to high 1sts on 3rd round RBs

I should qualify what I learned. If some first-round NFL draft pick falls out of the first four picks and I need the 2.12 to move up from 1.12 to 1.05, then I might do it depending (see below).

But if a third-round running back is there, even though I think he might have extra special circumstances, I won't make the mistake of thinking, "Oh boy, he just fell into the third round and the NFL is crazy and I know better! Have my 2.12!" Nope. I'm staying put and hoping he falls to me or I'm taking somebody else if he doesn't. I refuse to set hard and fast rules, but your point about third-round running backs is really what I took away from it all. That and staying put unless an NFL team has used a whole lot of draft capital and I identified the guy pre-draft as one of the best in the draft also.

But yeah, I've learned. Always a process.

 

[BespokeJort]

You guys are investing way too much time in dude.

I want to laugh with you, but he was the 1.05 in my world and a reach by about six spots. I gave the 2.12 to move from 1.12 to get him. So stupid. Okay, everyone following this thread regularly knows the story, but we keep getting new people to explain why I’m spending time.

It’s not even a sunk cost—guy has lots of running and catching talent by virtually all accounts—because we still do not know his fate and if you think you do, you’re jumping the gun and being unwise.

I’m just trying to figure out his attitude and ability to process knowledge because Dennis Allen (26-53) and his .329 winning percentage (which is the third worst in history for guys over 75 games—the 75 games being a point in his favor, but each team of his two had nearly absent ownership) tried to run him out of town. So of course I don’t trust him or his staff. That would also be unwise.

I personally think this guy is probably (70%?) either thick as a brick in the head or his attitude is rare in a bad way. I don’t know, but nothing really about his situation or the way he handles himself on social media add up to glowing reports about his demeanor. But guys can get buried under a whole lot of explainable stuff, or they change—or a change of scenery means everything for them. I’ve traded first-rounders before, so I’m usually not hyper-stuck on a guy, but I’d think he needs to flash or show something to hold him through the year.

I like kaleb but watching how it went for people who paid 1.05 for this guy (in my league too!) makes me very uneasy spending mid to high 1sts on 3rd round RBs

I should qualify what I learned. If some first-round NFL draft pick falls out of the first four picks and I need the 2.12 to move up from 1.12 to 1.05, then I might do it depending (see below).

But if a third-round running back is there, even though I think he might have extra special circumstances, I won't make the mistake of thinking, "Oh boy, he just fell into the third round and the NFL is crazy and I know better! Have my 2.12!" Nope. I'm staying put and hoping he falls to me or I'm taking somebody else if he doesn't. I refuse to set hard and fast rules, but your point about third-round running backs is really what I took away from it all. That and staying put unless an NFL team has used a whole lot of draft capital and I identified the guy pre-draft as one of the best in the draft also.

But yeah, I've learned. Always a process.

Sometimes a third round rb is achane or kamara, of course. But sometimes he’s Keshawn Vaughan or Royce freeman. I dunno if it means anything other than recency bias but I have a hard time taking a kaleb over a Colston Loveland type. Not that it’s any of their thread

 

[rockaction]

You guys are investing way too much time in dude.

I want to laugh with you, but he was the 1.05 in my world and a reach by about six spots. I gave the 2.12 to move from 1.12 to get him. So stupid. Okay, everyone following this thread regularly knows the story, but we keep getting new people to explain why I’m spending time.

It’s not even a sunk cost—guy has lots of running and catching talent by virtually all accounts—because we still do not know his fate and if you think you do, you’re jumping the gun and being unwise.

I’m just trying to figure out his attitude and ability to process knowledge because Dennis Allen (26-53) and his .329 winning percentage (which is the third worst in history for guys over 75 games—the 75 games being a point in his favor, but each team of his two had nearly absent ownership) tried to run him out of town. So of course I don’t trust him or his staff. That would also be unwise.

I personally think this guy is probably (70%?) either thick as a brick in the head or his attitude is rare in a bad way. I don’t know, but nothing really about his situation or the way he handles himself on social media add up to glowing reports about his demeanor. But guys can get buried under a whole lot of explainable stuff, or they change—or a change of scenery means everything for them. I’ve traded first-rounders before, so I’m usually not hyper-stuck on a guy, but I’d think he needs to flash or show something to hold him through the year.

I like kaleb but watching how it went for people who paid 1.05 for this guy (in my league too!) makes me very uneasy spending mid to high 1sts on 3rd round RBs

I should qualify what I learned. If some first-round NFL draft pick falls out of the first four picks and I need the 2.12 to move up from 1.12 to 1.05, then I might do it depending (see below).

But if a third-round running back is there, even though I think he might have extra special circumstances, I won't make the mistake of thinking, "Oh boy, he just fell into the third round and the NFL is crazy and I know better! Have my 2.12!" Nope. I'm staying put and hoping he falls to me or I'm taking somebody else if he doesn't. I refuse to set hard and fast rules, but your point about third-round running backs is really what I took away from it all. That and staying put unless an NFL team has used a whole lot of draft capital and I identified the guy pre-draft as one of the best in the draft also.

But yeah, I've learned. Always a process.

Sometimes a third round rb is achane or kamara, of course. But sometimes he’s Keshawn Vaughan or Royce freeman. I dunno if it means anything other than recency bias but I have a hard time taking a kaleb over a Colston Loveland type. Not that it’s any of their thread

Don’t worry. I won’t get hung up on the player, but if you have a guy going 10th or so overall and he’s there with Kendre, then without hindsight I’m probably taking the guy over Kendre. That seems like the prudent move, except I also have a sense that TEs are such a crap shoot that a guy at 71 (Kendre) might make me pause and think.

But like I said, no hard and fast rules. I was thinking more along the lines of giving up assets for the pleasure of drafting a guy like Kaleb, who went 83rd.

I guess what I’m saying is I haven’t figured out how to appropriately judge tight ends, but it depends on the individual. In a case where I’m really sold on the early 3rd and I’m staring at the 10th overall, who is a TE. I probably go TE, but damn that’s tough.

 

[Lansdowne]

You guys are investing way too much time in dude.

I want to laugh with you, but he was the 1.05 in my world and a reach by about six spots. I gave the 2.12 to move from 1.12 to get him. So stupid. Okay, everyone following this thread regularly knows the story, but we keep getting new people to where I feel it's necessary to keep explaining why I’m spending time on him. In fact, this is the direct, uh, statement (hopefully good-natured taunt?) to which I'm responding.

It’s not even a sunk cost—guy has lots of running and catching talent by virtually all accounts—because we still do not know his fate and if you think you do, you’re jumping the gun and being unwise.

I’m just trying to figure out his attitude and ability to process knowledge because Dennis Allen (26-53) and his .329 winning percentage (which is the third worst in history for guys over 75 games—the 75 games being a point in his favor, but each team of his two had nearly absent ownership) tried to run him out of town. So of course I don’t trust him or his staff. That would also be unwise.

I personally think this guy is probably (70%?) either thick as a brick in the head or his attitude is rare in a bad way. I don’t know, but nothing really about his situation or the way he handles himself on social media add up to glowing reports about his demeanor. But guys can get buried under a whole lot of explainable stuff, or they change—or a change of scenery means everything for them. I’ve traded first-rounders before, so I’m usually not hyper-stuck on a guy, but I’d think he needs to flash or show something to hold him through the year.

I feel for you, I really do. Kendre is kind of like what Pitts is to me, except I feel like Kendre is still TBD because we haven’t seen him play a full healthy season yet. And many in the fantasy community seem ready to bury him but the Saints aren’t (the 6th rounder spent on Neal is not a large investment by any stretch and the other reserve RBs are JAGs). It’s worth holding to see if/how Kendre is used, assuming he makes the final cut.

In my case with Pitts, I went against consensus and took him ahead of Chase. The fear of missing out on a generational prospect like Pitts was too strong, even when a generational WR prospect was staring right at me. In dynasty you want to find anything that can help separate you from the rest of your league and having a stud TE is such a huge advantage given the absolute muck of mediocrity that position is. Taking over and rebuilding an orphaned team, I felt really good about taking Pitts as my cornerstone and it set me back for years. Most disastrous pick I’ve ever made. And yet here I am in 2025 still holding on, because no one in the league will trade me a TE worth a damn and there’s no one better in FA. It’s a sunk cost for me.

Then there’s Kendre, who I didn’t draft but I traded away the pick that would’ve ultimately ended up being him had I held on to it (I was also bullish on him that year, many people in the dynasty community were). It was a weak draft class going in apart from the 3 blue chippers (Bijan, Gibbs, JSN). At 1.05 you could either draft a WR whose ceiling was capped by their landing spot or you could get your guy, and it was an open question as to who was RB3. Many said Charbs, some said Kendre, some may have said Achane (though I remember the size/durability concerns). I’m still a believer in getting your guy, because I’d rather be wrong and have him on my team than to be right and see him on someone else’s team. I’m stashing Kendre after someone cut him last season, so the investment for me is miniscule, but my team sucks so I’m hoping for any advantage I can get. If a player isn’t producing it’s important to understand why that is. I’ve determined that the sample size isn’t enough for me to give up on him just yet. Definitely helps to learn where you may have went wrong in your process and learn from it but also acknowledge the luck factor in this game of ours, and most of it really is luck. Continue to trust your process because it makes it more satisfying when it does pay off.