RB Kendre Miller, NO (1 Viewer)

[Bang Bang Niner Gang]

Is he just someone everyone will continue to stash away and hope he eventually gets his shot? I know is still only 23, but not sure if better to move on with someone like Woody Marks or Monangai who may be able to get opportunities more soon?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Is he just someone everyone will continue to stash away and hope he eventually gets his shot? I know is still only 23, but not sure if better to move on with someone like Woody Marks or Monangai who may be able to get opportunities more soon?

If you own Kamara and have a deep roster, then yes. They have been giving him touches and kick offs. If Karama goes down he is most likely next man up. However I don't think he is there long term solution.

 

[Mitchie]

Is he just someone everyone will continue to stash away and hope he eventually gets his shot? I know is still only 23, but not sure if better to move on with someone like Woody Marks or Monangai who may be able to get opportunities more soon?

Didn't realize he was only 23 that does help his value somewhat, I think the answer really depends on team circumstances, roster sizes, etc. He has value as a handcuff at this point but will need an injury to have value whereas the other guys you mentioned will probably be given more of an opportunity without one.

 

[zamboni]

However I don't think he is there long term solution.

I don’t think so either unless he really flashes. He’s not the new regime’s guy so it’s not like they have any ties to him.

 

[dipandglide]

He's probably JAG if he hasn't been able to bully his way onto the field more to this point.

I'm still holding across leagues and have him stashed in redraft with deep benches because he looks like the handcuff to a 30-year-old RB.

 

[barackdhouse]

had a very impressive TD

 

[IHEARTFF]

And getting some nice usage

 

[The Frankman]

Kendre Miller rushed 11 times for 65 yards and a touchdown in a Week 4 loss to the Bills.

Miller scored the Saints’ first touchdown of the game, breaking three tackles en route to a 15-yard rush. The Saints ran well on the Bills throughout the game, but Miller looked more explosive than Alvin Kamara and ripped off chunk gains through the middle of the defense. With the Saints now 0-4, one has to wonder whether they will continue to try to get Miller more involved or perhaps even consider trading Kamara later in the season. Miller is a decent stash in most formats right now.
- Rotoworld

 

[dipandglide]

Signs of life! He could be a sneaky player if Kamara is traded or they shift to more of a committee

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

ownership and kamara have both invested in the "kamara will retire a saint" narrative so I don't see a trade happening. but splitting carries? sure.

 

[Insein]

He's worth owning at least. Kellen Moore was the OC in Philly last year where Saquon ran for over 2000 yards. He wants to run the ball. Kamara also misses about 3 games a year to injury since 2021. So there will be some games Kendre gets another shot. Whether he delivers or not remains to be seen.

 

[rockaction]

Kendre looked damn good on his TD run. SeniorVBD makes a very salient point. It would be a lot of hand-wringing with AK41 and the fans of NO. Complicating that is the Saints’ cap situation. I’m going to cross-post a Reddit convo I saw because it is wonderfully illuminating. BRB.

 

[rockaction]

I was going to say something but this changed my mind because I think these guys from Reddit are actually correct in both their assessment and the tendencies of Mickey Loomis, although the Saints brought in a guy to help Loomis out. Thomas Dimitroff, who used to be the GM with ATL from '08-'20.

TheKillah
•13d ago

"Trading Kamara would incur an immediate $12M additional cap hit on the Saints, the same as if they cut him after this season. This would put them (slightly) over the cap this year, but really is just taking away from next year’s cap thanks to the rollover. If they cut him after the season, they can spread the cap hit over 26 and 27 if they prefer.

Financially, they’ve already paid him most of the money he was going to earn this year, the last 20% being the $2.5M in salary.

All in all they have very little incentive to trade him this year for anything less than a 4th, so I imagine there’s little chance of it happening. I’d say most likely he gets cut after the season, but he’s almost equally likely to get a one year “extension” that just pushes the cap hit down the road one more season."

KarrlMarrx
•12d ago


"...but he’s almost equally likely to get a one year “extension” that just pushes the cap hit down the road one more season."

If Mickey Loomis is still the GM, his track record suggests a 100% chance of an extension to push the cap hit down the road for another season.

Thomas Dimitroff, who was Atlanta’s GM from ‘08-‘20 is now a special assistant in New Orleans. I get the feeling he’s there to be a confidant to the organization and help out Mickey Loomis and the cap situation the Saints find themselves in.

Mickey Loomis may have just hired his replacement to the New Orleans Saints front office

Thomas Dimitroff spent 13 years working against the Saints as Falcons GM, but now he's joining them as a consultant. And he may replace Mickey Loomis:

sports.yahoo.com

This article sounds sinister but I get a different feeling from it. Dimitroff took time out for scouting and a media company he was creating, per this article. I think he helps Loomis out with quant analysis and PR. The Saints have had massive PR problems since they tried to provide free PR to the Catholic Church during and then after the height of their sex abuse scandal. This is an FO in dire need of modernization.

 

[MTskibum]

Is he just someone everyone will continue to stash away and hope he eventually gets his shot? I know is still only 23, but not sure if better to move on with someone like Woody Marks or Monangai who may be able to get opportunities more soon?

If you own Kamara and have a deep roster, then yes. They have been giving him touches and kick offs. If Karama goes down he is most likely next man up. However I don't think he is there long term solution.

Worst trade ever

 

[rockaction]

No kidding. So this is what Dimitroff does. I’ve seen these guys when hunting for advanced statistics. Interesting.

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[menobrown]

I was going to say something but this changed my mind because I think these guys from Reddit are actually correct in both their assessment and the tendencies of Mickey Loomis, although the Saints brought in a guy to help Loomis out. Thomas Dimitroff, who used to be the GM with ATL from '08-'20.

TheKillah
•13d ago

"Trading Kamara would incur an immediate $12M additional cap hit on the Saints, the same as if they cut him after this season. This would put them (slightly) over the cap this year, but really is just taking away from next year’s cap thanks to the rollover. If they cut him after the season, they can spread the cap hit over 26 and 27 if they prefer.

Financially, they’ve already paid him most of the money he was going to earn this year, the last 20% being the $2.5M in salary.

All in all they have very little incentive to trade him this year for anything less than a 4th, so I imagine there’s little chance of it happening. I’d say most likely he gets cut after the season, but he’s almost equally likely to get a one year “extension” that just pushes the cap hit down the road one more season."

KarrlMarrx
•12d ago


"...but he’s almost equally likely to get a one year “extension” that just pushes the cap hit down the road one more season."

If Mickey Loomis is still the GM, his track record suggests a 100% chance of an extension to push the cap hit down the road for another season.

Thomas Dimitroff, who was Atlanta’s GM from ‘08-‘20 is now a special assistant in New Orleans. I get the feeling he’s there to be a confidant to the organization and help out Mickey Loomis and the cap situation the Saints find themselves in.

Mickey Loomis may have just hired his replacement to the New Orleans Saints front office

Thomas Dimitroff spent 13 years working against the Saints as Falcons GM, but now he's joining them as a consultant. And he may replace Mickey Loomis:

sports.yahoo.com

This article sounds sinister but I get a different feeling from it. Dimitroff took time out for scouting and a media company he was creating, per this article. I think he helps Loomis out with quant analysis and PR. The Saints have had massive PR problems since they tried to provide free PR to the Catholic Church during and then after the height of their sex abuse scandal. This is an FO in dire need of modernization.

Jeff Ireland would be the guy I believe is Loomis confidant and most likely successor if they go in house. Also an ex-GM, a few years younger then Dimitroff has been with the team for 10 years.

 

[menobrown]

To echo what others have said, Kendre looks good, still young, nice to see it. At this point he's a handcuff or maybe RB4-5 type you can plug in and hold your nose when you need a RB in deeper leagues.

Kamara's getting terribly misused on team going nowhere and they got a young fresh back who arguably can do the things this offense asks Kamara to do better. So understand why people speculate on him getting traded, it makes football sense, I'd love it, for him and Kendre, but only way that happens IMO is if Kamara asked out which I don't get a sense is the way he rolls. Saints don't understand how to rebuild, AK is a major team leader and probably biggest draw for fans. I think our only hope for a Kamara trade is gets frustrated with the odd fit he is in a Kellen Moore offense and wants a shot to compete for a SB, but again I don't think that's how he rolls.

 

[The Future Champs]

ownership and kamara have both invested in the "kamara will retire a saint" narrative so I don't see a trade happening. but splitting carries? sure.

Kamara can get traded to another team and still retire a Saint.

 

[rockaction]

To echo what others have said, Kendre looks good, still young, nice to see it. At this point he's a handcuff or maybe RB4-5 type you can plug in and hold your nose when you need a RB in deeper leagues.

Kamara's getting terribly misused on team going nowhere and they got a young fresh back who arguably can do the things this offense asks Kamara to do better. So understand why people speculate on him getting traded, it makes football sense, I'd love it, for him and Kendre, but only way that happens IMO is if Kamara asked out which I don't get a sense is the way he rolls. Saints don't understand how to rebuild, AK is a major team leader and probably biggest draw for fans. I think our only hope for a Kamara trade is gets frustrated with the odd fit he is in a Kellen Moore offense and wants a shot to compete for a SB, but again I don't think that's how he rolls.

Yeah, this is exactly what I was trying to get at when I said they probably wouldn't trade him and there would be a lot of "hand-wringing" and fans who were upset if they did. The Saints take that stuff seriously. They get beat up in PR for Loomis and the cap situation he is in. They also are getting beat up currently for their role in providing the Catholic Church PR during the priest scandal, and there are accusations that the Saints had influence over the inclusion/omission of particular priests who were on a list of priests that were involved in the scandal. There have been mentions of civil liability for the Saints and it is getting bad.

That is tangential to football but it is very relevant to the Saints and how they handle their personnel.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I was happy to snag him in a start-up this offseason. I’ve been pretty impressed with “fresh start” Kendre.

 

[rockaction]

This is really much more like it and I would urge those who either wanted to write Kendre off rather strongly or those who thought this was a process and maybe he could turn it around (for whatever reason it needed turning) to take a look at this graph. Pretty stunning.

https://x.com/Ihartitz/status/1972704791856910538

Yes, these averages would go down if he got more carries, but this is pretty ridiculous.

 

[kface]

Back on the train!

 

[warpig33]

ownership and kamara have both invested in the "kamara will retire a saint" narrative so I don't see a trade happening. but splitting carries? sure.

Kamara can get traded to another team and still retire a Saint.

This could be best for both sides. Saints FO could reach out to Kamara and say they'd like to trade him to a contender out of a mutual respect type of arrangement. Kamara could pick the team he goes to (for a late pick most likely), Saints get to spread his cap hit, and move on with Kendre, then bring Kamara back to retire a Saint when he's ready. Win/Win. And the fans would probably like that too. On a side note, Rattler has been pretty respectable...shockingly. Will be interesting to see what they do with Kamara and Rattler.

 

[Mitchie]

ownership and kamara have both invested in the "kamara will retire a saint" narrative so I don't see a trade happening. but splitting carries? sure.

Kamara can get traded to another team and still retire a Saint.

This could be best for both sides. Saints FO could reach out to Kamara and say they'd like to trade him to a contender out of a mutual respect type of arrangement. Kamara could pick the team he goes to (for a late pick most likely), Saints get to spread his cap hit, and move on with Kendre, then bring Kamara back to retire a Saint when he's ready. Win/Win. And the fans would probably like that too. On a side note, Rattler has been pretty respectable...shockingly. Will be interesting to see what they do with Kamara and Rattler.

But if only getting a late pick why bother? I get it's better than nothing but also something to be said for just keeping him and letting him play out his career in NO.

 

[rockaction]

ownership and kamara have both invested in the "kamara will retire a saint" narrative so I don't see a trade happening. but splitting carries? sure.

Kamara can get traded to another team and still retire a Saint.

This could be best for both sides. Saints FO could reach out to Kamara and say they'd like to trade him to a contender out of a mutual respect type of arrangement. Kamara could pick the team he goes to (for a late pick most likely), Saints get to spread his cap hit, and move on with Kendre, then bring Kamara back to retire a Saint when he's ready. Win/Win. And the fans would probably like that too. On a side note, Rattler has been pretty respectable...shockingly. Will be interesting to see what they do with Kamara and Rattler.

Sounds nice, but I think this guy from Reddit actually has it nailed. They might indeed trade him, but there's no cap savings.

TheKillah
•13d ago

"Trading Kamara would incur an immediate $12M additional cap hit on the Saints, the same as if they cut him after this season. This would put them (slightly) over the cap this year, but really is just taking away from next year’s cap thanks to the rollover. If they cut him after the season, they can spread the cap hit over 26 and 27 if they prefer.

Financially, they’ve already paid him most of the money he was going to earn this year, the last 20% being the $2.5M in salary.

All in all they have very little incentive to trade him this year for anything less than a 4th, so I imagine there’s little chance of it happening. I’d say most likely he gets cut after the season, but he’s almost equally likely to get a one year “extension” that just pushes the cap hit down the road one more season."

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Hard to see anyone offering a 4th for him either.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

to be clear, Kamara has not just said he wants to retire a Saint. he has said, literally, he would move to Africa before he played for any other team besides the Saints. perhaps his comment was disengenuous, but it didn't come across that way.

 

[rockaction]

to be clear, Kamara has not just said he wants to retire a Saint. he has said, literally, he would move to Africa before he played for any other team besides the Saints. perhaps his comment was disengenuous, but it didn't come across that way.

Nothing surprises me and I've tried to be as thorough as I can with all of this information and there isn't one bit of information around the Saints that leads me to believe Kamara will be dealt. Neither ownership nor player seems to want that in the least, but here are the reasons why it might happen if you could shut all those tangential issues out (which you cannot do):

1) Kamara is 30
2) He was never what one would consider a great volume rusher nor was he an efficient or great one (his hay was made in the passing game),
3) He is now coached by Kellen Moore. Moore likes to run the football with his RBs and when he was OC of a bunch of teams, the RBs have always had a significant dip in targets. Kamara makes his football and your fantasy living via the pass
4) Miller is 23 and has a bunch of explosive runs during his career in relation to Kamara
5) Miller's yards after contact and forced missed tackles are way up there among rushers with twenty-five minimum attempts and he's pushing for playing time
6) The Saints are 0-4 and going nowhere

It's still unlikely, in my opinion, that Kamara is dealt but damn those other reasons are very compelling. It's just a guy and his franchise, though.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

What are folks thinking for FAAB in redraft?

 

[ericttspikes]

What are folks thinking for FAAB in redraft?

Tough call. In most of my leagues the RB cupboard is bare, so I'd image a lot. I would probably try 20-30%, but I'm not sure that would get him. I personally doubt I'd be comfortable going higher than that unless I was decimated at RB. I like Miller as a runner, but he has a significant injury history and New Orleans is looking like one of the worst teams in the league. That said, I wouldn't be suprised is Kamara gets moved to a contender (Bears?) that would actually use him correctly, so if that happens 20-30% would be a deal. I also think Miller fits the new system better. If I had a decent RB stable, I think I'd probably do a 20-30% on Miller and make a cheap bid for Devin Neal. I'd personally rather spend like 1-3% on Neal than break the bank for Miller.

 

[Faust]

David J. Gautieri
Kendre Miller has as many or more missed tackles forced (12) this season than Christian McCaffrey, Josh Jacobs, Cam Skattebo, Quinshon Judkins, Travis Etienne…

On just 28 rushing attempts.

https://x.com/gurufantasywrld/status/1973122989760598181?s=61

 

[Faust]

Dwain McFarland
Kendre Miller snaps:

Week 1: 13%
Week 2: 16%
Week 3: 27%
Week 4: 32%
Week 5: 41%

https://x.com/dwainmcfarland/status/1974963828078317713?s=61

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

 

[Birdie048]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

Projection on AK41 destination?

KC is the most sense but with LAC injuries mounting, there are other options also

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

Projection on AK41 destination?

KC is the most sense but with LAC injuries mounting, there are other options also

Yes, the rumors floating out there is KC.

 

[menobrown]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I don't think any contender is going to be in a hurry to trade for Kamara.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

Meh. This franchise sucks. And Kamara is old.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

Meh. This franchise sucks. And Kamara is old.

That's why I said trade Kamara now. Perhaps they do have that in mind considering the recent reduction in touches.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think any contender is going to be in a hurry to trade for Kamara.

I'm not sure about that, especially on a 1 year deal.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I don't think any contender is going to be in a hurry to trade for Kamara.

I'm not sure about that, especially on a 1 year deal.

He's still owed a lot of money by the Saints. Taking on that money for a now very average looking RB isn't going to be on most teams menu.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think any contender is going to be in a hurry to trade for Kamara.

I'm not sure about that, especially on a 1 year deal.

He's still owed a lot of money by the Saints. Taking on that money for a now very average looking RB isn't going to be on most teams menu.

Is it really that bad? Maybe it is.

Alvin Kamara signed a 2 year, $24,500,000 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including $15,500,000 signing bonus, $19,233,333 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,250,000. In 2025, Kamara will earn a base salary of $2,637,000, while carrying a cap hit of $9,708,471 and a dead cap value of $24,982,413.

 

[menobrown]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

Yes there are parts about it that make football sense and if I was rebuilding the Saints in Madden Franchise mode I'd be trying to move him. But there is more then just what makes football sense going on here.

This is an iconic player for the franchise, who would not draw back much in a trade who does NOT want to be traded. So really what's the point for the Saints? Get probably a late day 3 pick by alienating a franchise icon and losing one of your top draws?

Anything you are seeing on trade rumors is probably bogus, connect the dots stuff from people thinking like you and a lot of us but nothing of substance.

Here is real intel. A few days ago a really good Saints beat writer, Nick Underhill, tweeted out that the Saints are expected to make a lot of veteran players available for trade soon. This probably sparked a lot of the trade rumors you say you are seeing. A bunch of people asked Underhill if Kamara was one of them and he said it would shock or surprise him if Kamara was traded. This was echoed by another Saints beat writer and both of them cited the same reason, he does not want to be traded and they are going to honor that.

The only way he's going to get traded is if he'd change his mind.

Sorry to be party pooper because he's one of the top 2 players, probably the top player, I'd love to see traded but I think it's simply a lot of wishcasting.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

Yes there are parts about it that make football sense and if I was rebuilding the Saints in Madden Franchise mode I'd be trying to move him. But there is more then just what makes football sense going on here.

This is an iconic player for the franchise, who would not draw back much in a trade who does NOT want to be traded. So really what's the point for the Saints? Get probably a late day 3 pick by alienating a franchise icon and losing one of your top draws?

Anything you are seeing on trade rumors is probably bogus, connect the dots stuff from people thinking like you and a lot of us but nothing of substance.

Here is real intel. A few days ago a really good Saints beat writer, Nick Underhill, tweeted out that the Saints are expected to make a lot of veteran players available for trade soon. This probably sparked a lot of the trade rumors you say you are seeing. A bunch of people asked Underhill if Kamara was one of them and he said it would shock or surprise him if Kamara was traded. This was echoed by another Saints beat writer and both of them cited the same reason, he does not want to be traded and they are going to honor that.

The only way he's going to get traded is if he'd change his mind.

Sorry to be party pooper because he's one of the top 2 players, probably the top player, I'd love to see traded but I think it's simply a lot of wishcasting.

You might be right, but I still think from a business perspective they should trade him if they can. It's not as if he matters that much as a fan draw right now. But even if he did, RBs are an easily replaceable asset, especially an aging one, and if they can get a 5th round pick for him they should do it.. That Kamara ship has sailed past his prime. Just my opinion.

 

[Mitchie]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

Yes there are parts about it that make football sense and if I was rebuilding the Saints in Madden Franchise mode I'd be trying to move him. But there is more then just what makes football sense going on here.

This is an iconic player for the franchise, who would not draw back much in a trade who does NOT want to be traded. So really what's the point for the Saints? Get probably a late day 3 pick by alienating a franchise icon and losing one of your top draws?

Anything you are seeing on trade rumors is probably bogus, connect the dots stuff from people thinking like you and a lot of us but nothing of substance.

Here is real intel. A few days ago a really good Saints beat writer, Nick Underhill, tweeted out that the Saints are expected to make a lot of veteran players available for trade soon. This probably sparked a lot of the trade rumors you say you are seeing. A bunch of people asked Underhill if Kamara was one of them and he said it would shock or surprise him if Kamara was traded. This was echoed by another Saints beat writer and both of them cited the same reason, he does not want to be traded and they are going to honor that.

The only way he's going to get traded is if he'd change his mind.

Sorry to be party pooper because he's one of the top 2 players, probably the top player, I'd love to see traded but I think it's simply a lot of wishcasting.

Makes sense, just wonder if he was presented with a chance at a ring he would consider changing his mind.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

Yes there are parts about it that make football sense and if I was rebuilding the Saints in Madden Franchise mode I'd be trying to move him. But there is more then just what makes football sense going on here.

This is an iconic player for the franchise, who would not draw back much in a trade who does NOT want to be traded. So really what's the point for the Saints? Get probably a late day 3 pick by alienating a franchise icon and losing one of your top draws?

Anything you are seeing on trade rumors is probably bogus, connect the dots stuff from people thinking like you and a lot of us but nothing of substance.

Here is real intel. A few days ago a really good Saints beat writer, Nick Underhill, tweeted out that the Saints are expected to make a lot of veteran players available for trade soon. This probably sparked a lot of the trade rumors you say you are seeing. A bunch of people asked Underhill if Kamara was one of them and he said it would shock or surprise him if Kamara was traded. This was echoed by another Saints beat writer and both of them cited the same reason, he does not want to be traded and they are going to honor that.

The only way he's going to get traded is if he'd change his mind.

Sorry to be party pooper because he's one of the top 2 players, probably the top player, I'd love to see traded but I think it's simply a lot of wishcasting.

Makes sense, just wonder if he was presented with a chance at a ring he would consider changing his mind.

It's not as if he has a no trade clause.

 

[menobrown]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

Yes there are parts about it that make football sense and if I was rebuilding the Saints in Madden Franchise mode I'd be trying to move him. But there is more then just what makes football sense going on here.

This is an iconic player for the franchise, who would not draw back much in a trade who does NOT want to be traded. So really what's the point for the Saints? Get probably a late day 3 pick by alienating a franchise icon and losing one of your top draws?

Anything you are seeing on trade rumors is probably bogus, connect the dots stuff from people thinking like you and a lot of us but nothing of substance.

Here is real intel. A few days ago a really good Saints beat writer, Nick Underhill, tweeted out that the Saints are expected to make a lot of veteran players available for trade soon. This probably sparked a lot of the trade rumors you say you are seeing. A bunch of people asked Underhill if Kamara was one of them and he said it would shock or surprise him if Kamara was traded. This was echoed by another Saints beat writer and both of them cited the same reason, he does not want to be traded and they are going to honor that.

The only way he's going to get traded is if he'd change his mind.

Sorry to be party pooper because he's one of the top 2 players, probably the top player, I'd love to see traded but I think it's simply a lot of wishcasting.

Makes sense, just wonder if he was presented with a chance at a ring he would consider changing his mind.

Based on what multiple beat writers are saying that does not move him. He wants no part of being traded and also he's not at all unhappy with his role or usage. He even gave Kellen Moore a game ball yesterday after their win.


The one team I've thought could change his mind was if Payton wanted him, then maybe. But that would take some injuries to hit Denver's backfield before the trade deadline which is just a few weeks off and even then it's just a maybe if Payton wanted him or if he'd be open to it.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

Yes there are parts about it that make football sense and if I was rebuilding the Saints in Madden Franchise mode I'd be trying to move him. But there is more then just what makes football sense going on here.

This is an iconic player for the franchise, who would not draw back much in a trade who does NOT want to be traded. So really what's the point for the Saints? Get probably a late day 3 pick by alienating a franchise icon and losing one of your top draws?

Anything you are seeing on trade rumors is probably bogus, connect the dots stuff from people thinking like you and a lot of us but nothing of substance.

Here is real intel. A few days ago a really good Saints beat writer, Nick Underhill, tweeted out that the Saints are expected to make a lot of veteran players available for trade soon. This probably sparked a lot of the trade rumors you say you are seeing. A bunch of people asked Underhill if Kamara was one of them and he said it would shock or surprise him if Kamara was traded. This was echoed by another Saints beat writer and both of them cited the same reason, he does not want to be traded and they are going to honor that.

The only way he's going to get traded is if he'd change his mind.

Sorry to be party pooper because he's one of the top 2 players, probably the top player, I'd love to see traded but I think it's simply a lot of wishcasting.

Makes sense, just wonder if he was presented with a chance at a ring he would consider changing his mind.

Based on what multiple beat writers are saying that does not move him. He wants no part of being traded and also he's not at all unhappy with his role or usage. He even gave Kellen Moore a game ball yesterday after their win.


The one team I've thought could change his mind was if Payton wanted him, then maybe. But that would take some injuries to hit Denver's backfield before the trade deadline which is just a few weeks off and even then it's just a maybe if Payton wanted him or if he'd be open to it.

I don't think him not being trade based on some beat writer's opinion is something to plant a flag over.

 

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I'm pretty confident Kamara will get traded to a contender and that should open the door wide open for Miller.

I'm pretty confident you won't be right.

Why? It isn't smart for the Saints to hold on to an aging asset given their current team construction. I think the Saints will move forward with Miller and Neal.

Yes there are parts about it that make football sense and if I was rebuilding the Saints in Madden Franchise mode I'd be trying to move him. But there is more then just what makes football sense going on here.

This is an iconic player for the franchise, who would not draw back much in a trade who does NOT want to be traded. So really what's the point for the Saints? Get probably a late day 3 pick by alienating a franchise icon and losing one of your top draws?

Anything you are seeing on trade rumors is probably bogus, connect the dots stuff from people thinking like you and a lot of us but nothing of substance.

Here is real intel. A few days ago a really good Saints beat writer, Nick Underhill, tweeted out that the Saints are expected to make a lot of veteran players available for trade soon. This probably sparked a lot of the trade rumors you say you are seeing. A bunch of people asked Underhill if Kamara was one of them and he said it would shock or surprise him if Kamara was traded. This was echoed by another Saints beat writer and both of them cited the same reason, he does not want to be traded and they are going to honor that.

The only way he's going to get traded is if he'd change his mind.

Sorry to be party pooper because he's one of the top 2 players, probably the top player, I'd love to see traded but I think it's simply a lot of wishcasting.

Makes sense, just wonder if he was presented with a chance at a ring he would consider changing his mind.

Based on what multiple beat writers are saying that does not move him. He wants no part of being traded and also he's not at all unhappy with his role or usage. He even gave Kellen Moore a game ball yesterday after their win.


The one team I've thought could change his mind was if Payton wanted him, then maybe. But that would take some injuries to hit Denver's backfield before the trade deadline which is just a few weeks off and even then it's just a maybe if Payton wanted him or if he'd be open to it.

I don't think him not being trade based on some beat writer's opinion is something to plant a flag over.

Well, the beat writer knows more about what Kamara wants than you or I do.