RB Kenneth Walker III - SEA (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Regarding Walker as the starter, at what point do the results on the field make Charbonnet the starter? Everyone seems to defend that Walker is the better talent, EXCEPT…

- Chrarbonnet has a higher YPG over last two seasons,

- Charbonnet has a higher YPR over last two seasons,

- Walker was lauded for his explosion but Charbonnet even had the longest run last year at 51 yards versus Walker’s 28,

- Walker can’t stay healthy and is unreliable especially when compared to Charbonnet.

At what point do the coaches acknowledge that Charbonnet is just the better back over Walker? Walker strikes me as needing everything to be perfectly blocked in the NFL for him to eat. Not many situations, other than a few, is going to give Walker the type of environment he needs to be at his best.

Don't take our words for it. Take the multiple coaching staffs who have stated time and time again, Walker is the guy. Period.

This argument is so old.

The Walker truthers vs. Charbonnet truthers discourse for the last two years has been predictably exhausting and we're in for another year of it. It will be a relief when one of these two are on another team.

Where's the fun in that? Especially when it's super clear that Walker is better then Charb. Ha ha

Yeah that 4.2 career average and 3.7 last year definitely shows he’s better than Charbs.

 

[FarFromHome]

Regarding Walker as the starter, at what point do the results on the field make Charbonnet the starter? Everyone seems to defend that Walker is the better talent, EXCEPT…

- Chrarbonnet has a higher YPG over last two seasons,

- Charbonnet has a higher YPR over last two seasons,

- Walker was lauded for his explosion but Charbonnet even had the longest run last year at 51 yards versus Walker’s 28,

- Walker can’t stay healthy and is unreliable especially when compared to Charbonnet.

At what point do the coaches acknowledge that Charbonnet is just the better back over Walker? Walker strikes me as needing everything to be perfectly blocked in the NFL for him to eat. Not many situations, other than a few, is going to give Walker the type of environment he needs to be at his best.

Don't take our words for it. Take the multiple coaching staffs who have stated time and time again, Walker is the guy. Period.

This argument is so old.

The Walker truthers vs. Charbonnet truthers discourse for the last two years has been predictably exhausting and we're in for another year of it. It will be a relief when one of these two are on another team.

Where's the fun in that? Especially when it's super clear that Walker is better then Charb. Ha ha

Yeah that 4.2 career average and 3.7 last year definitely shows he’s better than Charbs.

Nope. My eyes do. Thank you. Thank you.

 

[Payne]

Regarding Walker as the starter, at what point do the results on the field make Charbonnet the starter? Everyone seems to defend that Walker is the better talent, EXCEPT…

- Chrarbonnet has a higher YPG over last two seasons,

- Charbonnet has a higher YPR over last two seasons,

- Walker was lauded for his explosion but Charbonnet even had the longest run last year at 51 yards versus Walker’s 28,

- Walker can’t stay healthy and is unreliable especially when compared to Charbonnet.

At what point do the coaches acknowledge that Charbonnet is just the better back over Walker? Walker strikes me as needing everything to be perfectly blocked in the NFL for him to eat. Not many situations, other than a few, is going to give Walker the type of environment he needs to be at his best.

Don't take our words for it. Take the multiple coaching staffs who have stated time and time again, Walker is the guy. Period.

This argument is so old.

Yes and we all know when coaches say something about usage and gameplan they are always telling the truth.

That's why the term "coachspeak" exists. It means when coaches speak, they always tell the truth and follow up on it on the field word for word.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to to go watch Onterrio Smith's hall of fame induction ceremony.

It's not been coach "speak" at all. It's been coach actions. Huge difference. Depsite what Charbonnet does, when Walker is healthy....back to his workload.

This is not debatable.

 

[Payne]

Being a Walker owner in one of my leagues, I completely understand the desire to covet him as the undisputed bell cow in Seattle. However, given Charbonnet’s proven performance, Walker’s availability issues, and the league-wide propensity to use an RBBC in some form, I believe we’re going to see a 1A/1B kind of split. It makes sense for too many reasons.

I could see Charbonnet getting a little more work, but teams play the game to win. And to win, you play your best players.
Walker is the better player. He will get his normal breaks like every other starter gets.

Isn’t the better player the one who is more productive and has a more well rounded game?

Correct. Walker.

 

[Payne]

Regarding Walker as the starter, at what point do the results on the field make Charbonnet the starter? Everyone seems to defend that Walker is the better talent, EXCEPT…

- Chrarbonnet has a higher YPG over last two seasons,

- Charbonnet has a higher YPR over last two seasons,

- Walker was lauded for his explosion but Charbonnet even had the longest run last year at 51 yards versus Walker’s 28,

- Walker can’t stay healthy and is unreliable especially when compared to Charbonnet.

At what point do the coaches acknowledge that Charbonnet is just the better back over Walker? Walker strikes me as needing everything to be perfectly blocked in the NFL for him to eat. Not many situations, other than a few, is going to give Walker the type of environment he needs to be at his best.

Don't take our words for it. Take the multiple coaching staffs who have stated time and time again, Walker is the guy. Period.

This argument is so old.

The Walker truthers vs. Charbonnet truthers discourse for the last two years has been predictably exhausting and we're in for another year of it. It will be a relief when one of these two are on another team.

Where's the fun in that? Especially when it's super clear that Walker is better then Charb. Ha ha

Yeah that 4.2 career average and 3.7 last year definitely shows he’s better than Charbs.

You keep beating this drum but it doesn't mean anything. It's been discussed at nauseum.

Two coaching staffs disagree with you about who the better player is. Sorry you can't accept that.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Some are so intent on saying who "should" be starting, they seem to forget that opinion is meaningless in this discussion. It's all about who the coaches actually put out there that counts in FF. And that looks to be Walker.

 

[Lansdowne]

Some are so intent on saying who "should" be starting, they seem to forget that opinion is meaningless in this discussion. It's all about who the coaches actually put out there that counts in FF. And that looks to be Walker.

You would think with those implying that Charbonnet is better than Walker that old Charbs would’ve run away with this backfield by now. It’s now been two years. But despite the two RBs having similar draft capital, we haven’t seen it happen, at least not when Walker has been healthy. Wonder why that is.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Some are so intent on saying who "should" be starting, they seem to forget that opinion is meaningless in this discussion. It's all about who the coaches actually put out there that counts in FF. And that looks to be Walker.

That's who the coaching staff put out there last year. It's a new year, and as we all know, things change fast in fantasy football. Two years ago the Jags coaching staff very clearly preferred Travis Etienne to Tank Bigsby. Last year things were different.

Coaches change their mind on these things all the time, and this situation is more ripe for them changing their mind on it than any we've seen in a long time. My point, as I've laid out explicitly, is how much longer will they stick with playing KW3 as the feature back when all that has lead to is him getting hurt, under performing, and not breaking off any of those long runs they seem to covet, while his highly drafted better performing backup sits there.

If we get a few weeks into the season and they're splitting much more evenly we'll look back at it and assume it was the most obvious and predictable change to a split (or even Charbs taking the lead) we've seen in a long time. Because objectively it makes little sense to spend a premium draft pick on Charbs and then not use him while the starter consistently struggles to carry the load. Last year they tried to do it anyway, but that doesn't mean they will again this year, given the results of last year.

 

[nightmare]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

 

[FarFromHome]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Ya, thats like just logic man. In this thread you gotta pick side. It's like the Hatfields and McCoys up in here. Been this way for years. Decide!!!!

 

[JohnnyU]

Regarding Walker as the starter, at what point do the results on the field make Charbonnet the starter? Everyone seems to defend that Walker is the better talent, EXCEPT…

- Chrarbonnet has a higher YPG over last two seasons,

- Charbonnet has a higher YPR over last two seasons,

- Walker was lauded for his explosion but Charbonnet even had the longest run last year at 51 yards versus Walker’s 28,

- Walker can’t stay healthy and is unreliable especially when compared to Charbonnet.

At what point do the coaches acknowledge that Charbonnet is just the better back over Walker? Walker strikes me as needing everything to be perfectly blocked in the NFL for him to eat. Not many situations, other than a few, is going to give Walker the type of environment he needs to be at his best.

Don't take our words for it. Take the multiple coaching staffs who have stated time and time again, Walker is the guy. Period.

This argument is so old.

The Walker truthers vs. Charbonnet truthers discourse for the last two years has been predictably exhausting and we're in for another year of it. It will be a relief when one of these two are on another team.

Where's the fun in that? Especially when it's super clear that Walker is better then Charb. Ha ha

Yeah that 4.2 career average and 3.7 last year definitely shows he’s better than Charbs.

You keep beating this drum but it doesn't mean anything. It's been discussed at nauseum.

Two coaching staffs disagree with you about who the better player is. Sorry you can't accept that.

I don’t roster either, so I don’t have a horse in this race. I’ve mostly been saying that Walker is probably gone after this season. Martinez may be better than both of them. Yes, I believe Walker will still be the starter in 2025. Right up to the moment he has another boo-boo.

 

[Willie Mays Hayes]

Regarding Walker as the starter, at what point do the results on the field make Charbonnet the starter? Everyone seems to defend that Walker is the better talent, EXCEPT…

- Chrarbonnet has a higher YPG over last two seasons,

- Charbonnet has a higher YPR over last two seasons,

- Walker was lauded for his explosion but Charbonnet even had the longest run last year at 51 yards versus Walker’s 28,

- Walker can’t stay healthy and is unreliable especially when compared to Charbonnet.

At what point do the coaches acknowledge that Charbonnet is just the better back over Walker? Walker strikes me as needing everything to be perfectly blocked in the NFL for him to eat. Not many situations, other than a few, is going to give Walker the type of environment he needs to be at his best.

Don't take our words for it. Take the multiple coaching staffs who have stated time and time again, Walker is the guy. Period.

This argument is so old.

The Walker truthers vs. Charbonnet truthers discourse for the last two years has been predictably exhausting and we're in for another year of it. It will be a relief when one of these two are on another team.

Where's the fun in that? Especially when it's super clear that Walker is better then Charb. Ha ha

Yeah that 4.2 career average and 3.7 last year definitely shows he’s better than Charbs.

You keep beating this drum but it doesn't mean anything. It's been discussed at nauseum.

Two coaching staffs disagree with you about who the better player is. Sorry you can't accept that.

I don’t roster either, so I don’t have a horse in this race. I’ve mostly been saying that Walker is probably gone after this season. Martinez may be better than both of them. Yes, I believe Walker will still be the starter in 2025. Right up to the moment he has another boo-boo.

This! Walker not being on the field is going to make this decision. It’s the one point no one can on this thread can argue about.

 

[satch]

Even if we all agreed that Walker is the starter, and the better RB, what we’re really debating or attempting to project is touch distribution. If it’s 60/40 or in that neighborhood, it’s not going to matter much for FF purposes who the starter is. Especially if Charbonnet gets the goal line work.

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

 

[Willie Mays Hayes]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

You are delusional. I’m not sure if Walker has ever scared an NFL defense with his pedestrian stats. He broke off a couple of long plays in his rookie year and hasn’t done much since. He is an afterthought to defenses.

 

[Payne]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

You are delusional. I’m not sure if Walker has ever scared an NFL defense with his pedestrian stats. He broke off a couple of long plays in his rookie year and hasn’t done much since. He is an afterthought to defenses.

Or maybe defenses focused on stopping Walker.

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

@Willie Mays Hayes

I'm not delusional, I'm just a guy...




Just like Zach Charbonnet

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Some are so intent on saying who "should" be starting, they seem to forget that opinion is meaningless in this discussion. It's all about who the coaches actually put out there that counts in FF. And that looks to be
Walker
.

That's who the coaching staff put out there LAST YEAR. It's a new year, and as we all know, things change fast in fantasy football. Two years ago the Jags coaching staff very clearly preferred
Travis Etienne
to
Tank Bigsby
. Last year things were different.

I think you're missing the point of what's being said.

Coaches change their mind on these things all the time, and this situation is more ripe for them changing their mind on it than any we've seen in a long time. My point, as I've laid out explicitly, is how much longer will they stick with playing KW3 as the feature back when all that has lead to is him getting hurt, under performing, and not breaking off any of those long runs they seem to covet, while his highly drafted better performing backup sits there.

If we get a few weeks into the season and they're splitting much more evenly we'll look back at it and assume it was the most obvious and predictable change to a split (or even Charbs taking the lead) we've seen in a long time. Because objectively it makes little sense to spend a premium draft pick on Charbs and then not use him while the starter consistently struggles to carry the load. Last year they tried to do it anyway, but that doesn't mean they will again this year, given the results of last year.

True. At the same time, this does feel like a buy low situation and the ability to secure ZC as a handcuff is likely fairly simple as perception of his role will be more of 'in case of injury' by the draft community versus 'RBBC'.

But SEA finished 29th in rushing attempts last year - probably a big reason Grubb was one and done. So I suspect with Kubiak, more attention/focus will be given to the rushing attack

 

[JohnnyU]

@Willie Mays Hayes

I'm not delusional, I'm just a guy...




Just like Zach Charbonnet

Maybe both KW and ZC are JAGs.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

You are delusional. I’m not sure if Walker has ever scared an NFL defense with his pedestrian stats. He broke off a couple of long plays in his rookie year and hasn’t done much since. He is an afterthought to defenses.

Or maybe defenses focused on stopping Walker.

There was not a RB in the league last year that faced a higher percentage of light boxes. Pretty sure your theory is inaccruate.

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[Willie Mays Hayes]

And Charbonnet averaged a full yard per carry in light boxes compared to Walker. A bunch of idiot bias on the Walker bandwagon.

 

[hankmurphy]

Seattle’s coaching staff clearly preferred one back over the other for the past two seasons. Maybe the coaches don’t spend enough time on PlayerProfiler.

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

Kenneth can tote the rock

 

[Lansdowne]

Did some number crunching. The last two seasons out of 34 games, Walker missed 8 games (2 in 2023 and 6 in 2024) and Charbonnet missed 1 game (in 2023). Both RBs played together for 25 out of those 34 games. In those 25 games, these are their total stats:

Walker
346 carries, 1373 yards, 15 TD
73 catches, 552 yards, 2 TD

Charbonnet
150 carries, 598 yards , 3 TD
56 catches, 380 yards, 1 TD

Here are their stats in games where one plays but the other doesn’t:

Walker (1 game)
26 carries, 105 yards
2 catches, 6 yards

Charbonnet (8 games)
124 carries, 540 yards, 7 TD
24 catches, 219 yards

Observations:

I can see why the Charbonnet truthers here love their boy, he has been remarkably efficient and fantasy friendly in the games that Walker missed. It’s also worth noting that out of 33 career games played so far, that 8-game sample accounts for 52% of his career rushing yard total and 78% of his career rushing touchdown total. These stats also show that when Walker is active, he is the guy that gets the volume. With the new OC switching the offense to an outside zone blocking scheme, and Walker doing his best work rushing from the outside, Walker is going to continue to carry the mail for this offense.

I get Charbs being potentially a better value at ADP compared to Walker but some of you guys take it too far. It’s going to take a long absence from Walker for Charbs to be an every-week fantasy starter. Charbs’ standalone value is overstated, though it’s possible Kubiak sees it differently and incorporates Charbs more into the offense and keeps both guys fresh. In a contract year it’s going to be crucial for Walker to grind out a full season of work to earn his next contract. This is either going to be the year he puts himself into the RB1 tier of NFL RB’s or puts himself in the same category as Darren McFadden. Place your bets.

 

[jtd13]

Ypc can be very flukey year to year. And it seems like some people are really fixated on that. This is maybe a "lies, damn lies, and statistics" situation imo.

Just from watching them I think it's pretty clear that Charbonnet is well rounded and does some of the basic RB things a little better than Walker, but there's nothing he does that Walker doesn't do "well enough". On the flip side Walker can do things Charbonnet can only dream of doing, and those happen to be the more impactful things a RB doesnon football games. Based on that, I think something similar to the 75/25 split they had when both healthy last year will continue.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

A bunch of idiot bias on the Walker bandwagon.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but please enough with the name calling.

 

[FBG Moderator]

And Charbonnet averaged a full yard per carry in light boxes compared to Walker. A bunch of idiot bias on the Walker bandwagon.

We discuss players here without the idiot insults. Please join us.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Kenneth Walker III being at this level of contentiousness in late June feels about right in terms of the natives needing training camp updates.

 

[rockaction]

We discuss players here without the idiot insults. Please join us.

May I compliment you on the language used in responding to a member of the community? I hope I may. No sarcasm. This shows that you not only value the user but also the community when you choose to address problems in this manner. It's good stuff.

 

[bluemanfoo]

This is like last year's De'von Achane debate. The naysayers argue Walker will get hurt, and Charbonnet will steal carries. Yeah, those are risks somewhat, but any running back with a 4th round ADP has warts. Furthermore, I've won leagues by drafting talented players who fell to me because of their perceived injury risk. So I'll take Achane. I'll take McCaffrey. I'm not playing for second place, and I don't try to sneak into the playoffs and then just hope to get lucky. I play to win, which requires calculated gambles on upside IMO. And I'll take an explosive back in a Kubiak zone blocking scheme at a 4th round ADP all day.

 

[Payne]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

You are delusional. I’m not sure if Walker has ever scared an NFL defense with his pedestrian stats. He broke off a couple of long plays in his rookie year and hasn’t done much since. He is an afterthought to defenses.

Or maybe defenses focused on stopping Walker.

There was not a RB in the league last year that faced a higher percentage of light boxes. Pretty sure your theory is inaccruate.

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Show me where I said he was facing 8 men in the box?
What I said was "maybe defenses were focused on stopping Walker". Those are two different things.

Perhaps, due to his speed and ability to break long runs, the defense had more LB's or DB's while Walker was on the field?

Loading the box against Walker is actually not smart at all. One crack in the line and it's a touchdown. Charbonnet doesn't possess that ability.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

You are delusional. I’m not sure if Walker has ever scared an NFL defense with his pedestrian stats. He broke off a couple of long plays in his rookie year and hasn’t done much since. He is an afterthought to defenses.

Or maybe defenses focused on stopping Walker.

There was not a RB in the league last year that faced a higher percentage of light boxes. Pretty sure your theory is inaccruate.

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Show me where I said he was facing 8 men in the box?
What I said was "maybe defenses were focused on stopping Walker". Those are two different things.

Perhaps, due to his speed and ability to break long runs, the defense had more LB's or DB's while Walker was on the field?

Loading the box against Walker is actually not smart at all. One crack in the line and it's a touchdown. Charbonnet doesn't possess that ability.

Certainly not to the extent of Walker, agreed. But he did have a nice 51 yard td run last year against Arizona. Showed some pretty good burst.

 

[Payne]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

You are delusional. I’m not sure if Walker has ever scared an NFL defense with his pedestrian stats. He broke off a couple of long plays in his rookie year and hasn’t done much since. He is an afterthought to defenses.

Or maybe defenses focused on stopping Walker.

There was not a RB in the league last year that faced a higher percentage of light boxes. Pretty sure your theory is inaccruate.

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Show me where I said he was facing 8 men in the box?
What I said was "maybe defenses were focused on stopping Walker". Those are two different things.

Perhaps, due to his speed and ability to break long runs, the defense had more LB's or DB's while Walker was on the field?

Loading the box against Walker is actually not smart at all. One crack in the line and it's a touchdown. Charbonnet doesn't possess that ability.

Certainly not to the extent of Walker, agreed. But he did have a nice 51 yard td run last year against Arizona. Showed some pretty good burst.

I love Charbonnet. I think he is a very good back. He helped me win a championship last year. He is the perfect handcuff.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I think the biggest question on Walker is the team environment. The interior line is still a question mark and Darnold may hurt compared to Geno.

 

[JohnnyU]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

You are delusional. I’m not sure if Walker has ever scared an NFL defense with his pedestrian stats. He broke off a couple of long plays in his rookie year and hasn’t done much since. He is an afterthought to defenses.

Or maybe defenses focused on stopping Walker.

There was not a RB in the league last year that faced a higher percentage of light boxes. Pretty sure your theory is inaccruate.

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Show me where I said he was facing 8 men in the box?
What I said was "maybe defenses were focused on stopping Walker". Those are two different things.

Perhaps, due to his speed and ability to break long runs, the defense had more LB's or DB's while Walker was on the field?

Loading the box against Walker is actually not smart at all. One crack in the line and it's a touchdown. Charbonnet doesn't possess that ability.

Certainly not to the extent of Walker, agreed. But he did have a nice 51 yard td run last year against Arizona. Showed some pretty good burst.

I love Charbonnet. I think he is a very good back. He helped me win a championship last year. He is the perfect handcuff.

The NFL stands for “ Not for long”. especially at RB. Things change quickly at the position a lot of the time. I wouldn’t plan too far into the future with RBs, but in this case Walker is a FA after this year and could be gone. Then I believe Charbs is a FA the next year. Perhaps Martinez is a buy right now on the cheap.

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

Shirley Seattle ends up extending one of the two backs...

 

[King of the Jungle]

Shirley Seattle ends up extending one of the two backs...

Did not know Shirley owned the Seahawks.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

You are delusional. I’m not sure if Walker has ever scared an NFL defense with his pedestrian stats. He broke off a couple of long plays in his rookie year and hasn’t done much since. He is an afterthought to defenses.

Or maybe defenses focused on stopping Walker.

There was not a RB in the league last year that faced a higher percentage of light boxes. Pretty sure your theory is inaccruate.

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Show me where I said he was facing 8 men in the box?
What I said was "maybe defenses were focused on stopping Walker". Those are two different things.

Perhaps, due to his speed and ability to break long runs, the defense had more LB's or DB's while Walker was on the field?

Loading the box against Walker is actually not smart at all. One crack in the line and it's a touchdown. Charbonnet doesn't possess that ability.

So you think the defenses were making Walker the top RB in the NFL in facing light boxes because they were so afraid of him? Show me where I said anything about you making claims about 8 men in the box. I’ll help - I never did. No one in our conversation mentioned stacked boxes until you did in the quoted above.

 

[JohnnyU]

Shirley Seattle ends up extending one of the two backs...

I thought I told you to never call me Shirley.

 

[warpig33]

Can you guys just agree that they are both good, and refer to them as Jim Harbaugh would?..."two peas in a pod"...like his grandma used to say. Just like Najee and Omarion are apparently.

 

[FarFromHome]

Can you guys just agree that they are both good, and refer to them as Jim Harbaugh would?..."two peas in a pod"...like his grandma used to say. Just like Najee and Omarion are apparently.

No. Nope. Never. There is one hill. I will die on that hill. Ha ha

 

[joey]

Can you guys just agree that they are both good, and refer to them as Jim Harbaugh would?..."two peas in a pod"...like his grandma used to say. Just like Najee and Omarion are apparently.

No. Nope. Never. There is one hill. I will die on that hill. Ha ha

I roster both on 1 of my dynasty teams. Neither of them on any of my other teams.

So I have TWO hills and I’m fine dying on either one of them.

 

[Payne]

Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet both have a career avg of 4.2 yards per carry.(Pro-football-Reference)
They are both 24 years old. Zach is 4 months younger with 1 less year of NFL experience.
Charbonnet has a edge with Rec's but not by much.
Walker was round 2 pick 9. Charb was round 2 pick 21. I don't think the draft capitol
means much with a new staff. Just throwing it out here.

Because defenses see it as an "off play" when Charbonnet is in. They ain't scared like when KW9 is in.

You are delusional. I’m not sure if Walker has ever scared an NFL defense with his pedestrian stats. He broke off a couple of long plays in his rookie year and hasn’t done much since. He is an afterthought to defenses.

Or maybe defenses focused on stopping Walker.

There was not a RB in the league last year that faced a higher percentage of light boxes. Pretty sure your theory is inaccruate.

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Show me where I said he was facing 8 men in the box?
What I said was "maybe defenses were focused on stopping Walker". Those are two different things.

Perhaps, due to his speed and ability to break long runs, the defense had more LB's or DB's while Walker was on the field?

Loading the box against Walker is actually not smart at all. One crack in the line and it's a touchdown. Charbonnet doesn't possess that ability.

So you think the defenses were making Walker the top RB in the NFL in facing light boxes because they were so afraid of him? Show me where I said anything about you making claims about 8 men in the box. I’ll help - I never did. No one in our conversation mentioned stacked boxes until you did in the quoted above.

What? You literally posted a link explaining the boxes he faced. You know what, never mind. I guess I misunderstood.

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

I'm glad Seattle refreshed their uniforms for this season. The last kit feels like it belongs to Russ and the boom defense. What can we extrapolate from Charbonnet having performed better in the previously throwbacks, now current seahawks uniforms?

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

Can you guys just agree that they are both good, and refer to them as Jim Harbaugh would?..."two peas in a pod"...like his grandma used to say. Just like Najee and Omarion are apparently.

I'm honestly not prepared to call Zach Charbonnet good when compared to other professional running backs. I do believe he is solid. I think Darrel Williams who played for the Chiefs was better, but his career only spanned 5 seasons...

 

[dmac37]

I like to look forward while using history + eye test and talent, bet on KW3. The new regime has mentioned KW3 being the guy numerous times compared to Charbs from all that I have read. I will post this again from Fantasy Points:

Seattle Seahawks​

Though Kamara is about to lose all of the efficiency gains associated with new Seahawks OC Klint Kubiak’s outside zone scheme, Ken Walker is about to benefit from them. Walker averages 4.54 career YPC on outside zone, reflecting a ~13% efficiency boost compared to all other carries. In contrast, Zach Charbonnet has averaged just 3.67 career YPC on outside zone, ~21% less than his average on other carries.

The boom-or-bust nature of outside zone also cleanly dovetails with Walker’s play style. As I discussed at the top of this article, outside zone possesses high stuff and explosive play rates. That’s also true of Walker, who ranks top-5 in percent of yards gained on big plays since entering the NFL while also ranking in the top half of the league in stuff rate each season.

Most importantly, Klint Kubiak and the rest of the Seahawks’ organization seem to agree with me. Get Zach Charbonnet out of your head.


I’ve already written about Walker’s many other virtues (including his potential to work in the screen game and his evolution into a three-down back) at length this offseason, so I won’t repeat myself here. I’ll just reaffirm that so long as he remains the RB20 by Underdog ADP, he’ll be my favorite value on the entire board.

 

[BlackCrowes]

I don’t doubt Walker’s running ability, he’s extremely talented. But Charbs is gonna play, probably 65/35? And when KWIii gets hurt, look out.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is like last year's De'von Achane debate. The naysayers argue Walker will get hurt, and Charbonnet will steal carries. Yeah, those are risks somewhat, but any running back with a 4th round ADP has warts. Furthermore, I've won leagues by drafting talented players who fell to me because of their perceived injury risk. So I'll take Achane. I'll take McCaffrey. I'm not playing for second place, and I don't try to sneak into the playoffs and then just hope to get lucky. I play to win, which requires calculated gambles on upside IMO. And I'll take an explosive back in a Kubiak zone blocking scheme at a 4th round ADP all day.

This is and isn’t a good comparison. Achane came in with a lot of hype, and also concerns about his size. Both were legit, IMO. But with Achane we didn’t have a body of work at the pro level to point to. That’s where this comp falls a little flat to me.

With KWIII we’ve seen his rushing style, and we’ve seen him not yet have a healthy season. He’s been hurt every year - I know all too well, as every year I’ve been on the bandwagon.

But last year something interesting happened - Charbonnet was relevant without an injury to KW, and then even more relevant when KW went down.

TBH right now I have them at about equal value, with a slight edge to a healthy KWIII. But one is being drafted in the 5th of start-ups, the other in the 10th.

To me, that makes Charbonnet the better pick purely from a value standpoint. I’m a late round RB guy anyway, so I’m always gonna lean into WR, or WR/QB in SF. In my last start-up I was the Charbs 10.09 guy.

In that context it’s not about making bold picks or drafting to win not to be safe or any of those other cliches. It’s just about seeing 2 players I project to be about equal but one going 5+ rounds later.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t doubt Walker’s running ability, he’s extremely talented. But Charbs is gonna play, probably 65/35? And when KWIii gets hurt, look out.

Yep. I suspect it’ll be more like 60-40 or 55-45. Honestly if I’m a KWIII shareholder I want a more even split, as that’s what might finally get a full season out of KWIII.

 

[JohnnyU]

I like to look forward while using history + eye test and talent, bet on KW3. The new regime has mentioned KW3 being the guy numerous times compared to Charbs from all that I have read. I will post this again from Fantasy Points:

Seattle Seahawks​

Though Kamara is about to lose all of the efficiency gains associated with new Seahawks OC Klint Kubiak’s outside zone scheme, Ken Walker is about to benefit from them. Walker averages 4.54 career YPC on outside zone, reflecting a ~13% efficiency boost compared to all other carries. In contrast, Zach Charbonnet has averaged just 3.67 career YPC on outside zone, ~21% less than his average on other carries.

The boom-or-bust nature of outside zone also cleanly dovetails with Walker’s play style. As I discussed at the top of this article, outside zone possesses high stuff and explosive play rates. That’s also true of Walker, who ranks top-5 in percent of yards gained on big plays since entering the NFL while also ranking in the top half of the league in stuff rate each season.

Most importantly, Klint Kubiak and the rest of the Seahawks’ organization seem to agree with me. Get Zach Charbonnet out of your head.


I’ve already written about Walker’s many other virtues (including his potential to work in the screen game and his evolution into a three-down back) at length this offseason, so I won’t repeat myself here. I’ll just reaffirm that so long as he remains the RB20 by Underdog ADP, he’ll be my favorite value on the entire board.

I doubt Walker is with the Seahawks beyond this season. He’s a UFA in 2026.