RB Kenneth Walker III - SEA (17 Viewers)

[BlackCrowes]

love me some Charbs

 

[Lansdowne]

love me some Charbs

 

[Bronco Billy]

It's ironic that those articles continue to harp on stubborn head coaching when stubborn head coaching is what gave KW3 as long of a leash as he had as a feature back before they finally pulled the plug on it.

Walker finished as the #12 RB in PPG last year in PPR format?

Ahead of guys like:
Chase Brown
Breece Hall
Bucky Irving

Charbonnet, on the same team, was 32nd.

Uh, is Mike Macdonald playing fantasy football?

The point is the article says coaches are being stubborn by not giving KW3 a bigger workload. But KW3 got a bigger workload each of the last two years and performed much worse, and had lots of injury issues. They were stubborn in allowing him to keep that role as long as they did, which is a point I harped on all offseason. Everyone here kept saying "the coaches have shown time and time again that KW3 is the feature back". My whole point was that was just stubborness, and eventually they would probably change their mind and reduce his workload, which they did.

They finally stopped beating their head against the "let's make KW3 a feature back!" approach and have gotten better results by abandoning it. The article claiming that keeping him in a timeshare is stubborness is ridiculous, because they already tried 2 years of feature back KW3 and it didn't work, and it was only stuborness that kept him in that role for as long as it did.

Ok, let's take fantasy and opinions out of it.

2025:
Player A - 4.5 yards per rushing attempt.
Player B - 2.8 yards per rushing attempt

Those are facts. Who is more productive? Or "better results"?
Who should be getting more carries from the coaching staff.

Aren’t you the same guy who refused to give any credibility to the previous 2 seasons because of what the production showed?

Do you understand that the guy who gets the short yardage/goal line work is going to see their ypa suffer as a result?

OK, this is pointless. Have a great day

 

[btemp]

It's ironic that those articles continue to harp on stubborn head coaching when stubborn head coaching is what gave KW3 as long of a leash as he had as a feature back before they finally pulled the plug on it.

Walker finished as the #12 RB in PPG last year in PPR format?

Ahead of guys like:
Chase Brown
Breece Hall
Bucky Irving

Charbonnet, on the same team, was 32nd.

Uh, is Mike Macdonald playing fantasy football?

The point is the article says coaches are being stubborn by not giving KW3 a bigger workload. But KW3 got a bigger workload each of the last two years and performed much worse, and had lots of injury issues. They were stubborn in allowing him to keep that role as long as they did, which is a point I harped on all offseason. Everyone here kept saying "the coaches have shown time and time again that KW3 is the feature back". My whole point was that was just stubborness, and eventually they would probably change their mind and reduce his workload, which they did.

They finally stopped beating their head against the "let's make KW3 a feature back!" approach and have gotten better results by abandoning it. The article claiming that keeping him in a timeshare is stubborness is ridiculous, because they already tried 2 years of feature back KW3 and it didn't work, and it was only stuborness that kept him in that role for as long as it did.

Ok, let's take fantasy and opinions out of it.

2025:
Player A - 4.5 yards per rushing attempt.
Player B - 2.8 yards per rushing attempt

Those are facts. Who is more productive? Or "better results"?
Who should be getting more carries from the coaching staff.

Aren’t you the same guy who refused to give any credibility to the previous 2 seasons because of what the production showed?

Do you understand that the guy who gets the short yardage/goal line work is going to see their ypa suffer as a result?

OK, this is pointless. Have a great day

The other dimension to all this is the football strategy angle.

These arguments act like YPC is how coaches are thinking about their rushing attack. But strategy goes far beyond that. If you're only an outside zone team with a runner, like KW3, then defenses strategically adapt and can attack the offense (including passing game) more effectively. This is part of what happened to Sean McVay part way through his HC career. It worked until it didn't. (The same would be true of Charbs in reverse to a degree)

By having two backs who can attack the defense in very different ways, they give a lot more versatility to their offense and can play "left handed" and force the defense to account for two very different rushing attacks and styles.

And it goes beyond this. But part of why this argument is silly. And perhaps in the playoffs they go heavy with KW3 and its great! That could totally make sense where the injury risk, defensive adaptation, etc. are smaller.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think they are trying to get a full season out of Walker.

 

[jtd13]

I think they are trying to get a full season out of Walker.

This. What is good for the Seahawks in January and what is good for Walker fantasy managers in October are just not aligned right now.

 

[btemp]

I think they are trying to get a full season out of Walker.

This. What is good for the Seahawks in January and what is good for Walker fantasy managers in October are just not aligned right now.

It'll be interesting to see in the playoffs (or wins needed to make the playoffs) what Walkers usage is like.

 

[Drake Hater]

Negative game script early and he busts again. Can't get in the end zone from one yard out. Value is in the toilet. Not great.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Negative game script early and he busts again. Can't get in the end zone from one yard out. Value is in the toilet. Not great.

They seem to be trying to do what Carolina did for a couple of games, realized it wasn't much use and featured Rico. Difference is, Seattle are winning and winning well so they don't care how inefficient both of their runners are or if either can get in a rythmn. They're both basically useless until or if this changes.

 

[tricky92]

I have both RBs on Seattle and contemplating running RJ Harvey out there next week and sitting both of these guys.

 

[TampaMike19]

Agreed- the floor is basically nothing and watching the game it’s basically the JSN show. I’m not sure what defenses are doing versus Seattle it’s clearly not working as their receivers are basically running free and JSN is rarely receiving double coverage.

 

[kyoun1e]

Agreed- the floor is basically nothing and watching the game it’s basically the JSN show. I’m not sure what defenses are doing versus Seattle it’s clearly not working as their receivers are basically running free and JSN is rarely receiving double coverage.

It's insane that JSN isn't double covered and bracketed. Let T. Horton and Barner beat you.

Maybe if defenses start showing Darnold and JSN some respect the running game opens up a bit more.

 

[VikingFrog]

T H

Agreed- the floor is basically nothing and watching the game it’s basically the JSN show. I’m not sure what defenses are doing versus Seattle it’s clearly not working as their receivers are basically running free and JSN is rarely receiving double coverage.

It's insane that JSN isn't double covered and bracketed. Let T. Horton and Barner beat you.

Maybe if defenses start showing Darnold and JSN some respect the running game opens up a bit more.

Horton did beat them last night.

 

[kyoun1e]

T H

Agreed- the floor is basically nothing and watching the game it’s basically the JSN show. I’m not sure what defenses are doing versus Seattle it’s clearly not working as their receivers are basically running free and JSN is rarely receiving double coverage.

It's insane that JSN isn't double covered and bracketed. Let T. Horton and Barner beat you.

Maybe if defenses start showing Darnold and JSN some respect the running game opens up a bit more.

Horton did beat them last night.

True.

Maybe teams with a semi decent D (unlike WASH) can do better.

 

[Faust]

@SeahawksForever
I know it's just one play, but I see too much of this on Kenneth Walker's tape.

To kick *** in this scheme you have to have an instinctive feel for where to go, but you also have to have vision.

This is an example of Walker lacking that. MASSIVE lane that's sliding to this left, and yet he appears to almost run directly into the one clump of defenders instead of just taking it north/south and hitting it as hard as he can. The creator on this piece of footage (shoutout to Saturday Morning Inspection) says "good finish, good run" and yet it could/should have been SO much more. A 5 yard run could have been 10 yards, 15, or much more.

He's not a Seahawks in 2026. Period.

https://x.com/seahawksforever/status/1986588239038161334?s=61

 

[Payne]

@SeahawksForever
I know it's just one play, but I see too much of this on Kenneth Walker's tape.

To kick *** in this scheme you have to have an instinctive feel for where to go, but you also have to have vision.

This is an example of Walker lacking that. MASSIVE lane that's sliding to this left, and yet he appears to almost run directly into the one clump of defenders instead of just taking it north/south and hitting it as hard as he can. The creator on this piece of footage (shoutout to Saturday Morning Inspection) says "good finish, good run" and yet it could/should have been SO much more. A 5 yard run could have been 10 yards, 15, or much more.

He's not a Seahawks in 2026. Period.

https://x.com/seahawksforever/status/1986588239038161334?s=61

Terrible take. He ran exactly where he should have.

 

[Lansdowne]

@SeahawksForever
I know it's just one play, but I see too much of this on Kenneth Walker's tape.

To kick *** in this scheme you have to have an instinctive feel for where to go, but you also have to have vision.

This is an example of Walker lacking that. MASSIVE lane that's sliding to this left, and yet he appears to almost run directly into the one clump of defenders instead of just taking it north/south and hitting it as hard as he can. The creator on this piece of footage (shoutout to Saturday Morning Inspection) says "good finish, good run" and yet it could/should have been SO much more. A 5 yard run could have been 10 yards, 15, or much more.

He's not a Seahawks in 2026. Period.

https://x.com/seahawksforever/status/1986588239038161334?s=61

Terrible take. He ran exactly where he should have.

The RG gave up on his assignment too soon and the supposed wide gap closed quickly anyway. Guy who tweeted that doesn’t know what he’s talking about and rightly getting ripped up in the comments.

 

[rockaction]

T H

Agreed- the floor is basically nothing and watching the game it’s basically the JSN show. I’m not sure what defenses are doing versus Seattle it’s clearly not working as their receivers are basically running free and JSN is rarely receiving double coverage.

It's insane that JSN isn't double covered and bracketed. Let T. Horton and Barner beat you.

Maybe if defenses start showing Darnold and JSN some respect the running game opens up a bit more.

Horton did beat them last night.

True.

Maybe teams with a semi decent D (unlike WASH) can do better.

Shaheed and Horton together are going to stretch it vertically and the running game and JSN will feast at the line and intermediately. Most likely if things go according to plan.

 

[menobrown]

I was actually more encouraged by his usage last week then I have been any game this season that Charbs played.

Still only playing him about half the leagues I own him but feeling better about him then I did before their bye, and worse on Charbs.

 

[tricky92]

I was actually more encouraged by his usage last week then I have been any game this season that Charbs played.

Still only playing him about half the leagues I own him but feeling better about him then I did before their bye, and worse on Charbs.

I wish I would have started him this week over Harvey! Haha

 

[menobrown]

I was actually more encouraged by his usage last week then I have been any game this season that Charbs played.

Still only playing him about half the leagues I own him but feeling better about him then I did before their bye, and worse on Charbs.

I wish I would have started him this week over Harvey! Haha

Not as bad as Harvey but I was struggling right before kickoff with a Walker or Dobbins call and wish I’d not gone with Dobbins.

Deciding factor for was I thought he’d be able to take advantage of a weak defense that was maybe a little tired in the Denver altitude 4 days after playing 5 quarters.

 

[Drake Hater]

I started Dobbins and will likely have to flex Walker this week. Not excited. If Aaron Jones plays, would he be worth a start over Walker? Analytics says "no"

 

[joey]

I just learned that there’s a guy named Holani that rushes for TDs for the Seahawks. Cool cool cool

 

[LionOfGosforth]

I just learned that there’s a guy named Holani that rushes for TDs for the Seahawks. Cool cool cool

If it's not Charbs, it's someone else. What a waste of a draft pick, along with Charbs, both utterly useless.

 

[Lansdowne]

Nothing this Seahawks coaching staff loves more than giving red zone carries to anyone other than Walker.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

I'm rage dropping this guy dammit, that's my own personal protest. What are they protecting him from exactly?

 

[ProstheticRGK]

SEA with 38 points in the 1st Half. Excitedly, I check yahoo to see how KWIII is doing.

5 PPR fantasy pts. Sorry, 5.1 fantasy pts.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I'm rage dropping this guy dammit, that's my own personal protest. What are they protecting him from exactly?

Meaningful stats

 

[LionOfGosforth]

5.3 ypc, yet again miles better than Charbs and it counts for little

 

[msudaisy26]

The coaching a staff doesn't like him, it is weird that they didn't trade him at the deadline since he will be a free agent at the end of the year.

 

[dipandglide]

Little passing work and no RZ touches make him unstartable. What an odd year.

 

[Drake Hater]

Cheers to everyone else dealing with this guy in redraft. I'll be putting him on waivers this week as well. Let others drop some faab on him.

 

[joey]

Of course, in the one league where I roster them both, I started Walker instead of Charbs because Walker had a slightly better week last week. Idiot.




ETA: only started either due to bye week.

 

[msudaisy26]

Of course, in the one league where I roster them both, I started Walker instead of Charbs because Walker had a slightly better week last week. Idiot.




ETA: only started either due to bye week.

I went Charbs, but just for the touchdown upside. I have to start one of them for the rest od the year and barring injuries I am going Charbs. There will be a couple weeks where Walker outscores him, but Charbs is the play.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Can’t start him.

 

[Lansdowne]

Of course, in the one league where I roster them both, I started Walker instead of Charbs because Walker had a slightly better week last week. Idiot.




ETA: only started either due to bye week.

I went Charbs, but just for the touchdown upside. I have to start one of them for the rest od the year and barring injuries I am going Charbs. There will be a couple weeks where Walker outscores him, but Charbs is the play.

That’s what it seems like. Walker is the better runner, but Charbs gets the more valuable carries for fantasy.

 

[joey]

Of course, in the one league where I roster them both, I started Walker instead of Charbs because Walker had a slightly better week last week. Idiot.




ETA: only started either due to bye week.

I went Charbs, but just for the touchdown upside. I have to start one of them for the rest od the year and barring injuries I am going Charbs. There will be a couple weeks where Walker outscores him, but Charbs is the play.

That’s what it seems like. Walker is the better runner, but Charbs gets the more valuable carries for fantasy.

Yup. I messed up on this one. Gonna be a close call in that league.

 

[Desert_Power]

Can’t start him.

I can. My teams with him are bad

 

[Smack Tripper]

High Charbs diet

 

[Payne]

I understand those who want to drop him or Charbs for that matter, but I think it's a huge mistake.
If, IF you have the roster space, you keep them. One injury to either of them is an instant league winner.

I'm starting Charbonnet from here on out. The Walker usage is flat out mind blowing.

And I can understand why they didn't trade him. The team has big playoff aspirations.
Can't wait to see what team he is on next year. Could be a steal in 2026.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Nothing this Seahawks coaching staff loves more than giving red zone carries to anyone other than Walker.

Because Walker is utterly incompetent in short yardage situations. Yeah, the staff is smart enough to understand that after watching Walker get stonewalled enough in those situations. It calls for vision and decisiveness, both are Walker weaknesses.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I understand those who want to drop him or Charbs for that matter, but I think it's a huge mistake.
If, IF you have the roster space, you keep them. One injury to either of them is an instant league winner.

I'm starting Charbonnet from here on out. The Walker usage is flat out mind blowing.

And I can understand why they didn't trade him. The team has big playoff aspirations.
Can't wait to see what team he is on next year. Could be a steal in 2026.

Finally get tired of the unquestionably better RB getting outperformed regularly?

 

[Payne]

I understand those who want to drop him or Charbs for that matter, but I think it's a huge mistake.
If, IF you have the roster space, you keep them. One injury to either of them is an instant league winner.

I'm starting Charbonnet from here on out. The Walker usage is flat out mind blowing.

And I can understand why they didn't trade him. The team has big playoff aspirations.
Can't wait to see what team he is on next year. Could be a steal in 2026.

Finally get tired of the unquestionably better RB getting outperformed regularly?

Regardless of who is better or not, Charbonnet is getting the GL work.
I assumed the staff would see who the better RB is and I was wrong.

 

[Payne]

I understand those who want to drop him or Charbs for that matter, but I think it's a huge mistake.
If, IF you have the roster space, you keep them. One injury to either of them is an instant league winner.

I'm starting Charbonnet from here on out. The Walker usage is flat out mind blowing.

And I can understand why they didn't trade him. The team has big playoff aspirations.
Can't wait to see what team he is on next year. Could be a steal in 2026.

Finally get tired of the unquestionably better RB getting outperformed regularly?

Just because I can't help it, YTD:

Walker 120 carries, 539 yards and 3 TD's. 4.5 YPC.
Charbonnet 94 carries, 313 yards and 6 TD's. 3.3 YPC.

Walker has also been targeted more, etc.

I know you'll fire back with situations and who gets what carries, etc. We have a difference of opinion. That's fine.

 

[Payne]

Of course, in the one league where I roster them both, I started Walker instead of Charbs because Walker had a slightly better week last week. Idiot.




ETA: only started either due to bye week.

I went Charbs, but just for the touchdown upside. I have to start one of them for the rest od the year and barring injuries I am going Charbs. There will be a couple weeks where Walker outscores him, but Charbs is the play.

That’s what it seems like. Walker is the better runner, but Charbs gets the more valuable carries for fantasy.

Sure seems that way.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I understand those who want to drop him or Charbs for that matter, but I think it's a huge mistake.
If, IF you have the roster space, you keep them. One injury to either of them is an instant league winner.

I'm starting Charbonnet from here on out. The Walker usage is flat out mind blowing.

And I can understand why they didn't trade him. The team has big playoff aspirations.
Can't wait to see what team he is on next year. Could be a steal in 2026.

Finally get tired of the unquestionably better RB getting outperformed regularly?

Regardless of who is better or not, Charbonnet is getting the GL work.
I assumed the staff would see who the better RB is and I was wrong.

It never enters your mind that Kubiak might understand NFL RBs more than you and that you may actually be the one who is wrong, does it?

 

[Payne]

It never enters your mind that Kubiak might understand NFL RBs more than you and that you may actually be the one who is wrong, does it?

To be honest, not really. Look, I'm not alone. Plenty of others including many experts out there are also dumbfounded by the usage.
Without question Walker is the better RB.

I love Kubiak and his dad. They have produced some fantastic stats with RB's far, FAR less talented than Walker. And Charbonnet to be fair.
The truth is what they are doing has been working. They are winning games despite the lack of a great running game.

As many of you have said, they aren't going to change it now. So, yes, Charbonnet is the better fantasy player. In no way do I believe he is the better back.

 

[menobrown]

I just hope no one here saying Walker is no good in the red zone and they should keep giving those carries to Charbs is in the Bijan thread calling the Falcons staff idiots when they use Allgeier over Bijan in those situations.

 

[bolzano]

Unfortunately for Walker owners (e.g., me), Charbs looked pretty good yesterday. I dunno if it’s because he’s finally over that foot injury from earlier in the year or the AZ defense is just terrible, but he wasn’t plodding around per usual.

 

[Lansdowne]

Just because I can't help it, YTD:

Walker 120 carries, 539 yards and 3 TD's. 4.5 YPC.
Charbonnet 94 carries, 313 yards and 6 TD's. 3.3 YPC.

Walker has also been targeted more, etc.

I know you'll fire back with situations and who gets what carries, etc. We have a difference of opinion. That's fine.

If you exclude all carries inside the opponents' 5 yard line (since those carries supress YPC), Charbonnet's numbers are 79 carries, 280 yards, 0 TDs (3.4 YPC)

Walker and Charbonnet each have 1 TD from outside the 5 yard line, Walker hitting one from 19 yards out and Charbonnet from 6 yards out. Why Walker isn't using more inside the 5 is beyond me, considering he showed capable of scoring those goal line TD's too (2 of them against the Saints when Charbs was out with injury).