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RB Latavius Murray, BUF (1 Viewer)

NFL-ons said:
There is a lot of hype on this guy in my dynos and it seems to me that it is growing here. I know absolutely nothing about him. I looked at his highlights from last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6dEZDvBQrI

and I am really unimpressed. He appears to have no wiggle and even though he looks like a beast, he goes down on first contact. He could very well be the starter this year but he won't be targeted by me.
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I guess the beauty of fantasy football is that we see things differently. I see a lot of impressive things in that video. At the 1:23 mark, the run agains the Bills was pretty impressive. He showed wiggle and broke like 4 tackles. Later in the video, catching the ball against Botland on the sideline was pretty impressive. His last 4 games, he averaged close to 90 yds/game against the #2 (den), #7 (sf), and #11 (buf) rush defenses. With the upgraded coaching staff, improved offense, and hopefully musgrave bringing in some Chip Kelly's principles, Murray is set up to be a beast this year.

 
NFL-ons said:
There is a lot of hype on this guy in my dynos and it seems to me that it is growing here. I know absolutely nothing about him. I looked at his highlights from last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6dEZDvBQrI

and I am really unimpressed. He appears to have no wiggle and even though he looks like a beast, he goes down on first contact. He could very well be the starter this year but he won't be targeted by me.
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Did you look at both highlights? Because he had the two nice runs.

 
sontzu said:
Sabertooth said:
I'm discounting him because he made two plays last season...two! They just happened to be very high profile. Also he hasn't been able to stay healthy. I think he's a perfect guy to get in a draft and trade away about week 4 when somebody panics.
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He made more than 2 plays last year. Not every play is going to be of the highlight variety. Sometimes the tough 4 yard run between the tackles is a good play. The injury issue is definitely a concern though
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I kid, I kid. But he you have to admit a lot of his hype comes from those two runs. And they were awesome. He looked like a young Adrian Peterson on those runs with his height and speed.

 
Sabertooth said:
sontzu said:
Sabertooth said:
I'm discounting him because he made two plays last season...two! They just happened to be very high profile. Also he hasn't been able to stay healthy. I think he's a perfect guy to get in a draft and trade away about week 4 when somebody panics.
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He made more than 2 plays last year. Not every play is going to be of the highlight variety. Sometimes the tough 4 yard run between the tackles is a good play. The injury issue is definitely a concern though
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I kid, I kid. But he you have to admit a lot of his hype comes from those two runs. And they were awesome. He looked like a young Adrian Peterson on those runs with his height and speed.
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For sure. That Thursday night game put him on the map, but it's not th only hung he did last year. He wasn't a Milli Vanilli. I regards to Adrian Pererson, his SPARQ score was higher than AP. not saying Murray is or can be AP, but he does have similar athleticism

 
He doesn't have the wiggle but he's faster and bigger with decent hands.

 
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Sabertooth said:
I'm discounting him because he made two plays last season...two! They just happened to be very high profile. Also he hasn't been able to stay healthy. I think he's a perfect guy to get in a draft and trade away about week 4 when somebody panics.
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He made 10 runs of over 10+ yards. His rate was better than most RBs in the league and when you exclude the little guys, it looks even better. He also had 6 catches of 10+ yards, including a 46 yard catch. I don't know how that compares, but I'd guess that most RBs didn't have a catch over 40 yards.

As far as injuries go, His entire injury history causing him to miss games includes:

torn ACL playing basketball - freshman college - missed season

sprained shoulder - senior college - missed a couple of games

Fractured ankle - rookie NFL - IR for season

Concussion - 2014 NFL - missed 1 game.

His fractured ankle needed arthroscopic surgery in the preseason and he should have been back during the beginning of the season but became an IR stash. He really doesn't look to be more injury prone than any other player in the league.

 
I like Lat as an early season starter, but Helu will limit his PPR upside and I wouldn't count on Murray to stay on the field the entire year. He runs too upright and doesn't have strong lateral movement. He will give and take punishment and the hits will add up quickly.

I think I'd rather roll the dice on Helu as my RB5/6 than Lat as my RB2/3, if I'm going to invest in the Raider running game.

 
sontzu said:
NFL-ons said:
There is a lot of hype on this guy in my dynos and it seems to me that it is growing here. I know absolutely nothing about him. I looked at his highlights from last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6dEZDvBQrI

and I am really unimpressed. He appears to have no wiggle and even though he looks like a beast, he goes down on first contact. He could very well be the starter this year but he won't be targeted by me.
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I guess the beauty of fantasy football is that we see things differently. I see a lot of impressive things in that video. At the 1:23 mark, the run agains the Bills was pretty impressive. He showed wiggle and broke like 4 tackles. Later in the video, catching the ball against Botland on the sideline was pretty impressive. His last 4 games, he averaged close to 90 yds/game against the #2 (den), #7 (sf), and #11 (buf) rush defenses. With the upgraded coaching staff, improved offense, and hopefully musgrave bringing in some Chip Kelly's principles, Murray is set up to be a beast this year.
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Lol. U got me on the run up the middle vs Buf, I did take note there but that seemed like the only talented run. I don't see how he could have missed those holes, they looked like the Cowboys OLine had opened them up. Those 3/4 receptions were really nice but the credit can not be solely given to him, the passes hit him in stride and were right on the money.

LMurray had 82 rushes for 424 yds last year. I know I am being dramatic here but they showed about 10 runs in that highlight reel that must have accounted for like 300 of them.

I guess I just thought I would see him beast. All he really did was hit the hole hard and run fast, except the one that was mentioned earlier.

 
NFL-ons said:
LMurray had 82 rushes for 424 yds last year. I know I am being dramatic here but they showed about 10 runs in that highlight reel that must have accounted for like 300 of them.
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To be fair, all RBs have their share of rushes between -5 yards and 2 yards.

 
he has great visibility and cut back ability ...i like that he can make a cut and go...too many RB`s spend to much time dancing around the backfield looking for something to open up....see the seam and hit the seam...thats what L.M does well

 
NFL-ons said:
sontzu said:
NFL-ons said:
There is a lot of hype on this guy in my dynos and it seems to me that it is growing here. I know absolutely nothing about him. I looked at his highlights from last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6dEZDvBQrI

and I am really unimpressed. He appears to have no wiggle and even though he looks like a beast, he goes down on first contact. He could very well be the starter this year but he won't be targeted by me.
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I guess the beauty of fantasy football is that we see things differently. I see a lot of impressive things in that video. At the 1:23 mark, the run agains the Bills was pretty impressive. He showed wiggle and broke like 4 tackles. Later in the video, catching the ball against Botland on the sideline was pretty impressive. His last 4 games, he averaged close to 90 yds/game against the #2 (den), #7 (sf), and #11 (buf) rush defenses. With the upgraded coaching staff, improved offense, and hopefully musgrave bringing in some Chip Kelly's principles, Murray is set up to be a beast this year.
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Lol. U got me on the run up the middle vs Buf, I did take note there but that seemed like the only talented run. I don't see how he could have missed those holes, they looked like the Cowboys OLine had opened them up. Those 3/4 receptions were really nice but the credit can not be solely given to him, the passes hit him in stride and were right on the money.

LMurray had 82 rushes for 424 yds last year. I know I am being dramatic here but they showed about 10 runs in that highlight reel that must have accounted for like 300 of them.

I guess I just thought I would see him beast. All he really did was hit the hole hard and run fast, except the one that was mentioned earlier.
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He's the 21st RB off the board right now. Who are you comparing him to?

 
Latavius Murray looks ready to become Raiders top back:

http://www.sfchronicle.com/raiders/article/Latavius-Murray-looks-ready-to-become-Raiders-6427969.php?t=b60f9e2bf80a4808f6&cmpid=twitter-premium

One look at Raiders running back Latavius Murray, and its hard not to think of Adrian Peterson and DeMarco Murray. Yes, those are two of the best running backs in the NFL, and Latavius Murray has only 82 career carries.

But just look at him. How many running backs are 6-foot-3, with a chiseled 230 pounds and speed to burn?

Size and speed, said Murray, who was asked to switch to linebacker by his coaches at Central Florida. Not many guys with that combination. I do watch those two guys, but I know I have to stick to my game.

And not putting the cart before the bell cow he has to win a starting job.

Murray, who missed his rookie season in 2013 with a foot injury, had some highlight-reel runs last season and started the last three games. But new head coach Jack Del Rio still brought in Trent Richardson to compete with Murray for the starting job.

Well, Richardson has missed the first week of training camp with an injury, and Murray isnt looking back.

Murray, who missed his rookie season in 2013 with a foot injury, had some highlight-reel runs last season and started the last three games. But new head coach Jack Del Rio still brought in Trent Richardson to compete with Murray for the starting job.

Well, Richardson has missed the first week of training camp with an injury, and Murray isnt looking back.

He is getting all of the first-team reps and has looked powerful, especially in a scrimmage late in Wednesday afternoons practice in Napa.

My mentality is to stay where I am at and be that guy, Murray said. Its big being able to get a series of carries together and getting comfortable back there. Get used to the scheme and the guys I am in there with.

Murray wasnt able to prove that he was a starter to the head coaches last year, Dennis Allen and interim man Tony Sparano. It took 10 losses of Darren McFadden and Maurice Jones-Drew running into tacklers before Sparano finally threw his hands up and gave Murray a shot.

General manager Reggie McKenzie was asked what took so long, what was holding back Murray.

I think hes holding himself back, McKenzie said. Being able to practice all the time, not having nitpicking injuries. Last season, leading up to it, he was nicked up. So, if he could stay healthy, nothing is holding him back.

This year the 2013 sixth-round pick is coming off the first offseason in which he was 100 percent healthy, and he was even a little faster, he says, coming into camp.

Is Murray ready to be a 1,000-yard, No. 1 running back in the NFL?

No question, McKenzie said. He can do it all.

Murray had the foot injury his rookie year and an ankle injury and concussion last year. He still finished with 75 carries for 413 yards (5.5 average) and two touchdowns, one a 90-yarder against Kansas City, in the final seven games.

I had a great offseason, and I want that to carry over, he said.

It started with renting a house in Newport Beach (Orange County) and working out with former Central Florida teammate and current Jacksonville quarterback Blake Bortles. From there, he went back home to New York and did whatever friend and trainer Vinny Scollo told him. Murray hit the weights, ran hills with a flak jacket and played dodge ball with large, four-square balls being flung at him.

The biggest improvement has been in his explosiveness and his conditioning, Scollo told Syracuse.com. Last year, we really had to taper the workouts and work around his injury. This year, his conditioning, his wind, is 100 percent there.

Raiders offensive line coach Mike Tice had heard Murray was a hard worker. Tice, back in the day, played for longtime coach George OLeary, who coached Murray at Central Florida.

We talk about it a lot, like Thats something OLeary would do or say, Murray said. Its pretty cool. The OLeary mentality is tough, physical. We still talk, and he knows I am in good hands with Coach Tice, and I know that as well.

OLeary said Murray had to learn to run between the tackles in college instead of trying to bounce everything outside. Instead of reading the defensive linemen, Murray learned to read the linebackers.

George (said) he is a hard worker and a tough kid, Tice said. So I know Latavius was raised the right way, and I know he got yelled at a lot.

Tice likes Murrays jump-cut move and how he can change direction. But the main thing, again, is the combination of speed and power.

For a big guy, Latavius has extremely good quickness, Tice said. And when he gets behind his pads, he is hard to tackle. Smaller linebackers might be in serious trouble.
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Sabertooth said:
I'm discounting him because he made two plays last season...two! They just happened to be very high profile. Also he hasn't been able to stay healthy. I think he's a perfect guy to get in a draft and trade away about week 4 when somebody panics.
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Yeah, I see a big fast guy, but the highlights I see don't show a guy that uses his size to his advantage. He seems to fall easily, sometimes falling into the tacklers. I didn't see him churning his legs and fighting through tackles. I'm not all that impressed and do not get the love.

 
NFL-ons said:
There is a lot of hype on this guy in my dynos and it seems to me that it is growing here. I know absolutely nothing about him. I looked at his highlights from last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6dEZDvBQrI

and I am really unimpressed. He appears to have no wiggle and even though he looks like a beast, he goes down on first contact. He could very well be the starter this year but he won't be targeted by me.
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Just saw this after I posted above. I couldn't agree more. If there is space, he can run, but I don't see him doing much else in his highlights.

If you look at Eddie and ED (who some compared his running style to) you see just how much more wiggle and physicality they had.

Eddie

Eddie 2

ED

 
Ilov80s said:
NFL-ons said:
There is a lot of hype on this guy in my dynos and it seems to me that it is growing here. I know absolutely nothing about him. I looked at his highlights from last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6dEZDvBQrI

and I am really unimpressed. He appears to have no wiggle and even though he looks like a beast, he goes down on first contact. He could very well be the starter this year but he won't be targeted by me.
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Just saw this after I posted above. I couldn't agree more. If there is space, he can run, but I don't see him doing much else in his highlights.

If you look at Eddie and ED (who some compared his running style to) you see just how much more wiggle and physicality they had.

Eddie

Eddie 2

ED
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Totally agree, but while you compare him to Hall of Famers, I like his value at RB 20.


 
"For a big guy, Latavius has extremely good quickness," offensive line coach Mike Tice said. "And when he gets behind his pads, he is hard to tackle. Smaller linebackers might be in serious trouble."
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Teef said:
Ilov80s said:
NFL-ons said:
There is a lot of hype on this guy in my dynos and it seems to me that it is growing here. I know absolutely nothing about him. I looked at his highlights from last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6dEZDvBQrI

and I am really unimpressed. He appears to have no wiggle and even though he looks like a beast, he goes down on first contact. He could very well be the starter this year but he won't be targeted by me.
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Just saw this after I posted above. I couldn't agree more. If there is space, he can run, but I don't see him doing much else in his highlights.

If you look at Eddie and ED (who some compared his running style to) you see just how much more wiggle and physicality they had.

Eddie

Eddie 2

ED
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Totally agree, but while you compare him to Hall of Famers, I like his value at RB 20.
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I am not comparing them to him. Others just mentioned his running style being similar. I don't think it is a similar style.

 
Ilov80s said:
Sabertooth said:
I'm discounting him because he made two plays last season...two! They just happened to be very high profile. Also he hasn't been able to stay healthy. I think he's a perfect guy to get in a draft and trade away about week 4 when somebody panics.
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Yeah, I see a big fast guy, but the highlights I see don't show a guy that uses his size to his advantage. He seems to fall easily, sometimes falling into the tacklers. I didn't see him churning his legs and fighting through tackles. I'm not all that impressed and do not get the love.
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I watched the video and had the same impression: he seems to go down the first time he's hit, like he's much lighter than he is.

 
Jack White said:
Ilov80s said:
Sabertooth said:
I'm discounting him because he made two plays last season...two! They just happened to be very high profile. Also he hasn't been able to stay healthy. I think he's a perfect guy to get in a draft and trade away about week 4 when somebody panics.
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Yeah, I see a big fast guy, but the highlights I see don't show a guy that uses his size to his advantage. He seems to fall easily, sometimes falling into the tacklers. I didn't see him churning his legs and fighting through tackles. I'm not all that impressed and do not get the love.
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I watched the video and had the same impression: he seems to go down the first time he's hit, like he's much lighter than he is.
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I see what you are all saying about him not being an especially punishing runner, but there is a lot to like about LM's style. He seems to have a knack at finding that initial lane right at/past the LOS, especially in traffic. That's some impressive vision off a variety of plays (our of a traditional run play set, in draws and sweeps, etc.). I think that's a big contributing factor to his current YPC average, and I'd rather have a back that seems to be able to consistently reel off 5-8 yard plays with his vision and initial burst than one who simply hits hard in space or churns hard for that extra half yard in continuous 3 yards and a cloud of dust plays.

Another thing to like is his soft hands on screens, and the way he uses his blockers. I think there is improvement to be had there, to be sure, but you can tell from these highlights how he is aware of using his blockers downfield.

Your criticism is fair, but I think there is still a lot to like with LM.

 
Stompin said:
Jack White said:
Ilov80s said:
Sabertooth said:
I'm discounting him because he made two plays last season...two! They just happened to be very high profile. Also he hasn't been able to stay healthy. I think he's a perfect guy to get in a draft and trade away about week 4 when somebody panics.
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Yeah, I see a big fast guy, but the highlights I see don't show a guy that uses his size to his advantage. He seems to fall easily, sometimes falling into the tacklers. I didn't see him churning his legs and fighting through tackles. I'm not all that impressed and do not get the love.
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I watched the video and had the same impression: he seems to go down the first time he's hit, like he's much lighter than he is.
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I see what you are all saying about him not being an especially punishing runner, but there is a lot to like about LM's style. He seems to have a knack at finding that initial lane right at/past the LOS, especially in traffic. That's some impressive vision off a variety of plays (our of a traditional run play set, in draws and sweeps, etc.). I think that's a big contributing factor to his current YPC average, and I'd rather have a back that seems to be able to consistently reel off 5-8 yard plays with his vision and initial burst than one who simply hits hard in space or churns hard for that extra half yard in continuous 3 yards and a cloud of dust plays.

Another thing to like is his soft hands on screens, and the way he uses his blockers. I think there is improvement to be had there, to be sure, but you can tell from these highlights how he is aware of using his blockers downfield.

Your criticism is fair, but I think there is still a lot to like with LM.
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For me, it's a minor criticism.

I really like his potential. I think he also has the tools to be a special receiver out of the backfield.

In PPR leagues, I'd rather take my chances with him than "safer" options like Morris, Hyde, and Ingram.

 
He looked solid tonight. I like his vision. He's so tall I think it looks like he has no wiggle but I saw some tonight.

 
I think it's safe to say Latavius is behind only D Carr as the Raiders most valuable player offensively. If he goes down to injury, the offense would get ugly really quick.

 
T-Rich is done for the night. Michael Dyer is in. Dyer can climb the depth chart tonight with any shoeing because Richardson once again came to play DOA

 
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