Jack White
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In 16-team standard leagues that start 2-4 RBs?So where is Murray in redraft now?
Right behind Hill?
Middle of the 2nd round?
In 16-team standard leagues that start 2-4 RBs?So where is Murray in redraft now?
Right behind Hill?
Middle of the 2nd round?
I went Antonio, McCoy, Latavius from the #9 in 12-team non-ppr. Next backs were Miller, Gore, Hyde, Randle.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
Ok. D Williams is a great #2 in MIA and Gore is aging. To each his own.i get the upside but I wouldn't take him before Miller and Gore.
Man, I was hoping to get him with 4th pick from the #3 spot in a 12-Team next weekend. Not going to happen...I went Antonio, McCoy, Latavius from the #9 in 12-team non-ppr. Next backs were Miller, Gore, Hyde, Randle.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
A little context - this league is obsessed with RBs. Even when the value is WR/TE. Old school players who still draft like its the mid-90s.Man, I was hoping to get him with 4th pick from the #3 spot in a 12-Team next weekend. Not going to happen...I went Antonio, McCoy, Latavius from the #9 in 12-team non-ppr. Next backs were Miller, Gore, Hyde, Randle.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
He's going at about 4.08 in 12-team PPR leagues in real drafts at MFL.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
This is actually not a bad thing, even if you love Latavius. Let someone else reach, letting another player with a higher value drop to you.A little context - this league is obsessed with RBs. Even when the value is WR/TE. Old school players who still draft like its the mid-90s.Man, I was hoping to get him with 4th pick from the #3 spot in a 12-Team next weekend. Not going to happen...I went Antonio, McCoy, Latavius from the #9 in 12-team non-ppr. Next backs were Miller, Gore, Hyde, Randle.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
That's how I got Brown at 9. But at some point you get blocked out.This is actually not a bad thing, even if you love Latavius. Let someone else reach, letting another player with a higher value drop to you.A little context - this league is obsessed with RBs. Even when the value is WR/TE. Old school players who still draft like its the mid-90s.Man, I was hoping to get him with 4th pick from the #3 spot in a 12-Team next weekend. Not going to happen...I went Antonio, McCoy, Latavius from the #9 in 12-team non-ppr. Next backs were Miller, Gore, Hyde, Randle.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
That's good to know. My league has sort of unique set up where you can start just 1 RB which does push them down a little. I love Latavius this year but cant pull trigger that early probably.A little context - this league is obsessed with RBs. Even when the value is WR/TE. Old school players who still draft like its the mid-90s.Man, I was hoping to get him with 4th pick from the #3 spot in a 12-Team next weekend. Not going to happen...I went Antonio, McCoy, Latavius from the #9 in 12-team non-ppr. Next backs were Miller, Gore, Hyde, Randle.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
Yeah, after this weekends game it is seeming like you will need to take him in the 3rd if you want to get him. I think he is in for a big year but I liked him a lot better when I could get him in the 4th/5th.He is no longer a value pick and approaching overvalued IMO.
It's amazing how people will over react to a handful of August carries.Yeah, after this weekends game it is seeming like you will need to take him in the 3rd if you want to get him. I think he is in for a big year but I liked him a lot better when I could get him in the 4th/5th.He is no longer a value pick and approaching overvalued IMO.
Talk me through the downside here. Clear #1 RB on the team. Explosive player. Granted it's the Raiders but they are trending upward with young talent. Not seeing the big downside to keep him out of the RB 15-20 conversation.It's amazing how people will over react to a handful of August carries.Yeah, after this weekends game it is seeming like you will need to take him in the 3rd if you want to get him. I think he is in for a big year but I liked him a lot better when I could get him in the 4th/5th.He is no longer a value pick and approaching overvalued IMO.
The downside is the risk of blowing your 3rd round pick on an unproven guy with a short track record and a history of injuries.Talk me through the downside here. Clear #1 RB on the team. Explosive player. Granted it's the Raiders but they are trending upward with young talent. Not seeing the big downside to keep him out of the RB 15-20 conversation.It's amazing how people will over react to a handful of August carries.Yeah, after this weekends game it is seeming like you will need to take him in the 3rd if you want to get him. I think he is in for a big year but I liked him a lot better when I could get him in the 4th/5th.He is no longer a value pick and approaching overvalued IMO.
Beyond the RBs I listed early, what other RBs do you rate higher than Lat?The downside is the risk of blowing your 3rd round pick on an unproven guy with a short track record and a history of injuries.Talk me through the downside here. Clear #1 RB on the team. Explosive player. Granted it's the Raiders but they are trending upward with young talent. Not seeing the big downside to keep him out of the RB 15-20 conversation.It's amazing how people will over react to a handful of August carries.Yeah, after this weekends game it is seeming like you will need to take him in the 3rd if you want to get him. I think he is in for a big year but I liked him a lot better when I could get him in the 4th/5th.He is no longer a value pick and approaching overvalued IMO.
Amari looks like he's been out there for three years. Toss up.Raiderfan32904 said:I think it's safe to say Latavius is behind only D Carr as the Raiders most valuable player offensively. If he goes down to injury, the offense would get ugly really quick.
You asked for the downside, and I gave it to you.Well we don't know who will be a 'blown pick' till after the season so I'll just hold my breath here.
Do you think he's in the RB 15-20 range?You asked for the downside, and I gave it to you.If you like the guy, take him in the 3rd. I like his upside, too, but I'd rather get a proven WR and look for RBS later at a cheaper price.Well we don't know who will be a 'blown pick' till after the season so I'll just hold my breath here.
I do, but I wouldn't select him over any of the top 15-20 WRs. If you're in an RB-heavy format, or you just prefer to grab RBs earlier in your draft, I get taking him earlier.Do you think he's in the RB 15-20 range?You asked for the downside, and I gave it to you.If you like the guy, take him in the 3rd. I like his upside, too, but I'd rather get a proven WR and look for RBS later at a cheaper price.Well we don't know who will be a 'blown pick' till after the season so I'll just hold my breath here.
Flap and I just got him at 63rd overall (RB21 between Gurley and Hyde) in Timleeg (16team PPR)He's going at about 4.08 in 12-team PPR leagues in real drafts at MFL.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
He went at 4.03 in a 12-team PPR with 2 RB - 2WR - 1 FLEX.
I think that's a fair spot for him, based on talent and
potential. But a 2nd or 3rd round pick? I don't see it.
Not everybody is in the category of guys like D Murray or Ryan MathewsWhat RB in the league doesn't come with a huge injury risk?
That is great value. I like him a lot more than those two guys.Flap and I just got him at 63rd overall (RB21 between Gurley and Hyde) in Timleeg (16team PPR)He's going at about 4.08 in 12-team PPR leagues in real drafts at MFL.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
He went at 4.03 in a 12-team PPR with 2 RB - 2WR - 1 FLEX.
I think that's a fair spot for him, based on talent and
potential. But a 2nd or 3rd round pick? I don't see it.
Lucky it was before last nightThat is great value. I like him a lot more than those two guys.Flap and I just got him at 63rd overall (RB21 between Gurley and Hyde) in Timleeg (16team PPR)He's going at about 4.08 in 12-team PPR leagues in real drafts at MFL.So where do people have his ADP in drafts done recently?
He went at 4.03 in a 12-team PPR with 2 RB - 2WR - 1 FLEX.
I think that's a fair spot for him, based on talent and
potential. But a 2nd or 3rd round pick? I don't see it.
Agree, Murray is getting RB1 love because he hasI don't see much value in finding Murray's handcuff. If he goes down, I don't have much confidence in any one backup to approximate Murray's PPG potential. It will probably be a RBBC and not a very effective one at that.
As others have inferred, he does save you a spot on a backup that can be used elsewhere on your roster.Agree, Murray is getting RB1 love because he hasI don't see much value in finding Murray's handcuff. If he goes down, I don't have much confidence in any one backup to approximate Murray's PPG potential. It will probably be a RBBC and not a very effective one at that.
A. Opportunity
B. Talent
Nobody else on the roster comes close to his talent at RB.
Left side of the line looks strong. LT - Penn, LG - Jackson, C - Hudson...individually and as a unit that side of the line is above average. The right side is still getting sorted out, with career washout tackle Webb at RG and 2nd round pick from a couple years ago Watson manning RT. I'd say the line as it stands now is a relative strength on this team. They also upgraded at TE, bringing 2 bigger guys as Lee Smith and the rookie Clive Walford who both are bigger and taller than incumbent TE Rivera. This is a unit built for running.I'm not sold on the guy, but I'm finding myself liking the price point a lot. Good chance I take the plunge. For those that have been following more closely, what is the offensive line situation this year?
Great, thanks.Left side of the line looks strong. LT - Penn, LG - Jackson, C - Hudson...individually and as a unit that side of the line is above average. The right side is still getting sorted out, with career washout tackle Webb at RG and 2nd round pick from a couple years ago Watson manning RT. I'd say the line as it stands now is a relative strength on this team. They also upgraded at TE, bringing 2 bigger guys as Lee Smith and the rookie Clive Walford who both are bigger and taller than incumbent TE Rivera. This is a unit built for running.I'm not sold on the guy, but I'm finding myself liking the price point a lot. Good chance I take the plunge. For those that have been following more closely, what is the offensive line situation this year?
Latavius Murray - RB - Raiders
Raiders OC Bill Musgrave praised Latavius Murray's hands, body, agility, and vision Thursday.
"Hes made very positive impressions," Musgrave said. "He has been working a lot on his hands so he can be a good receiver out of the backfield. Hes got great vision." The Murray buzz was in full-force earlier this offseason but has quieted down since camps opened, suggesting his value peaked pretty early. But Murray has done nothing to relinquish his spot atop the depth chart. Roy Helu has been hurt, and Trent Richardson hasn't stood out. It's possible Murray opens the year getting all the early-down work and even some pass-game reps. His ADP has risen to the middle of the third round where he's being taken as RB16.
Source: CSN Bay Area
Aug 28 - 12:47 PM
Maybe if some guys get injured. I like the guy, but see him with something like a RB15 ceiling.Still he's got a top 10 ceiling if healthy all year.
So you think his ceiling is 80 total yards, 0.5 TD, and 2 receptions a game?tangfoot said:Maybe if some guys get injured. I like the guy, but see him with something like a RB15 ceiling.Milkman said:Still he's got a top 10 ceiling if healthy all year.
I can't see how you can say any talented RB on a team with young talent has a ceiling that low. Sure his floor is lower than others, and he's riskier, but his ceiling has GOT to be higher than RB15.tangfoot said:Maybe if some guys get injured. I like the guy, but see him with something like a RB15 ceiling.Milkman said:Still he's got a top 10 ceiling if healthy all year.
My biggest beef is with OAK itself (projected 5.5 wins this year). If you have high hopes for Murray you also buy into the fact that OAK is going to really improve this year, I'm not sold.Murray has been a darling since destroying the combine in terms of measured athleticism and now seemingly has his shot at being a feature back in an offense. If you look at his four starts to close 2014 -not the four carry, 112 yard, two touchdown game on Thursday Night versus Kansas City- but the games in which he was bell cow, Murray averaged just 17 carries for 65 yards a week and was a volume dependent RB2.
He ran for fewer than four yards per carry in all four of those weeks as he was the RB20, RB25, RB24 and RB19. Still solid results for a secondary back on your roster and in hindsight his opponents those weeks were San Francisco, Kansas City, Buffalo and Denver.
Basically every RB in the league that gets regular use has at least a top 15 ceiling.I can't see how you can say any talented RB on a team with young talent has a ceiling that low. Sure his floor is lower than others, and he's riskier, but his ceiling has GOT to be higher than RB15.tangfoot said:Maybe if some guys get injured. I like the guy, but see him with something like a RB15 ceiling.Milkman said:Still he's got a top 10 ceiling if healthy all year.
Small sample size, of course, but he had 33% of his PPR points last year on receptions and receiving yards.Lat Murray currently going 46th in 12 team PPR on MFL. That's out of 1450 real drafts.
My question, how's he looking for catches out of the backfield? Is he a viable threat for 30+ catches or is this strictly a ground pounder?
Maybe, maybe not.Helu is the only one in the way of 30+ receptions.
Sure. On average. Sounds about right.So you think his ceiling is 80 total yards, 0.5 TD, and 2 receptions a game?tangfoot said:Maybe if some guys get injured. I like the guy, but see him with something like a RB15 ceiling.Milkman said:Still he's got a top 10 ceiling if healthy all year.