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RB Latavius Murray, BUF (1 Viewer)

Pots said:
tangfoot said:
Milkman said:
Still he's got a top 10 ceiling if healthy all year.
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Maybe if some guys get injured. I like the guy, but see him with something like a RB15 ceiling.
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I can't see how you can say any talented RB on a team with young talent has a ceiling that low. Sure his floor is lower than others, and he's riskier, but his ceiling has GOT to be higher than RB15.
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Sorry, sorry. You're right. His absolute ceiling if everything works perfectly and Carr ends up as QB3 is higher than RB15.

 
tangfoot said:
Pots said:
tangfoot said:
Milkman said:
Still he's got a top 10 ceiling if healthy all year.
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Maybe if some guys get injured. I like the guy, but see him with something like a RB15 ceiling.
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I can't see how you can say any talented RB on a team with young talent has a ceiling that low. Sure his floor is lower than others, and he's riskier, but his ceiling has GOT to be higher than RB15.
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Sorry, sorry. You're right. His absolute ceiling if everything works perfectly and Carr ends up as QB3 is higher than RB15.
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Why would his ceiling be anything less than overall RB1? We're talking about a RB with a rare combination of size and speed, who can also catch, who's flashed big play ability, entering his first year as a feature back in an offense the coach said will be tailored to his strengths. How can we possibly know what his ceiling is? As far as I'm concerned he has a shot to finish as overall RB1. I'm not expecting it, but it's certainly not out of the question. I don't see how arbitrarily picking a ceiling of "RBX" is warranted with Murray this year. We just don't know.

 
tangfoot said:
Pots said:
tangfoot said:
Milkman said:
Still he's got a top 10 ceiling if healthy all year.
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Maybe if some guys get injured. I like the guy, but see him with something like a RB15 ceiling.
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I can't see how you can say any talented RB on a team with young talent has a ceiling that low. Sure his floor is lower than others, and he's riskier, but his ceiling has GOT to be higher than RB15.
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Sorry, sorry. You're right. His absolute ceiling if everything works perfectly and Carr ends up as QB3 is higher than RB15.
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Things do not have to work out perfectly for Murray to finish as RB15. I don't even know what that means. And Muray's success based on Carr finishing as QB3 is just a stupid statement.

It is really tough to predict Murray this season. The young Raiders team is tough to predict. Murray has real injury concerns. Like another poster pointed out, I would not be surprised if Murray finished near the top or bottom for RBs.

 
tangfoot said:
Pots said:
tangfoot said:
Milkman said:
Still he's got a top 10 ceiling if healthy all year.
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Maybe if some guys get injured. I like the guy, but see him with something like a RB15 ceiling.
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I can't see how you can say any talented RB on a team with young talent has a ceiling that low. Sure his floor is lower than others, and he's riskier, but his ceiling has GOT to be higher than RB15.
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Sorry, sorry. You're right. His absolute ceiling if everything works perfectly and Carr ends up as QB3 is higher than RB15.
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This is a weird take here. A clear starting RB with talent has a CEILING of #15?
 
The Raiders have a solid offensive line, which allows Murray the chance to have a breakout season. It's tough for most of us to truly get on board because it's been awhile since we've seen a reliable runner out of Oakland and Murray does have some history with injury. I think overall though there is more upside than downside here. It's not like you're having to reach too high in your drafts to get him and he could end up being someone you can rely on as your Rb2 or flex spot. If he's not, there's still room in your draft to have plenty of quality players. However, you don't want to fill your team with a bunch of players that have some question marks surrounding them entering the season so plan around players like this with trying to draft more so called secure players in their roles.

 
This is what's gonna happen when he faces a D-line with a pulse. No way around it. He's a talent, but prepare yourself for highs and extreme lows all year.

 
KingPrawn said:
Does Oakland really have a total of 1 yard rushing on 12 carries. That's the bad news.

Good news is Murray is leading the team in rushing
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zona has a good D... and Cooper looks fantastic... I'm hoping that bodes well for Lataivus down the line.

Love him as a RB3 but as a RB2 he will be up and down in all likelihood

I'm personally hoping their offense gels late and I can steal him off a few teams

 
this doesn't help

Updating a previous item, Raiders RT Menelik Watson is done for the year with a torn Achilles' tendon.
It was originally announced as an ankle injury. The Raiders will turn to 2014 free agent flop Austin Howard at right tackle, with J'Marcus Webb manning the starting position at right guard. It's a downgrade for Oakland's offensive line from an athleticism standpoint. Watson was having a strong training camp.
 
Raider Nation said:
This is what's gonna happen when he faces a D-line with a pulse. No way around it. He's a talent, but prepare yourself for highs and extreme lows all year.
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Oakland's schedule looks brutal. Doesn't seem to help his cause.

Maybe Seabass is the droid we are looking for.

 
Jack White said:
There was no room to run.

As for Seabass, he looks like he can kick for another 10 years.
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This is the take.

Murray is talented but he is not going to have any running room against solid defenses. The Raider Oline should be ok but it has not come together yet. Maybe as an earlier posted stated, it will gel as the season progresses. Either way, I am moving Murray down my draft board after watching the game last night.

 
Back then you could grab a high end WR 2 in the 3rd round and get Latavius in the 4th. Now you are pressured to grab a Gore or Lamar in the 3rd because you know Murray is going to be taken and you may have to pick from a Melvin Gordon, Stewart, Morris, Spiller group.

 
Fantasysports1 said:
Back then you could grab a high end WR 2 in the 3rd round and get Latavius in the 4th. Now you are pressured to grab a Gore or Lamar in the 3rd because you know Murray is going to be taken and you may have to pick from a Melvin Gordon, Stewart, Morris, Spiller group.
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Guessing Lat will fall some in drafts after last night's game.

 
DocHolliday said:
Fantasysports1 said:
Back then you could grab a high end WR 2 in the 3rd round and get Latavius in the 4th. Now you are pressured to grab a Gore or Lamar in the 3rd because you know Murray is going to be taken and you may have to pick from a Melvin Gordon, Stewart, Morris, Spiller group.
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Guessing Lat will fall some in drafts after last night's game.
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Which is silly when you think about it. Just as silly as when he rose a round after handful of good August carries.

 
Jack White said:
DocHolliday said:
Fantasysports1 said:
Back then you could grab a high end WR 2 in the 3rd round and get Latavius in the 4th. Now you are pressured to grab a Gore or Lamar in the 3rd because you know Murray is going to be taken and you may have to pick from a Melvin Gordon, Stewart, Morris, Spiller group.
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Guessing Lat will fall some in drafts after last night's game.
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Which is silly when you think about it. Just as silly as when he rose a round after handful of good August carries.
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True. It just works that way. The slight fall to where he belongs makes sense though.

 
DocHolliday said:
Jack White said:
DocHolliday said:
Fantasysports1 said:
Back then you could grab a high end WR 2 in the 3rd round and get Latavius in the 4th. Now you are pressured to grab a Gore or Lamar in the 3rd because you know Murray is going to be taken and you may have to pick from a Melvin Gordon, Stewart, Morris, Spiller group.
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Guessing Lat will fall some in drafts after last night's game.
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Which is silly when you think about it. Just as silly as when he rose a round after handful of good August carries.
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True. It just works that way. The slight fall to where he belongs makes sense though.
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I agree with both points. I've always seen him as a fourth-rounder. I try not to swayed one way or the other on August small sample sizes.

 
Lot of crazy reactions to preseason action.

I just want to see playing time and health. There is nothing we know right now about Oakland that we didn't know months and months ago.

 
It's only one game, but this is brutal so far. Oakland's offense is predictably putrid, yet Murray isn't making anything happen when there's no hole. He seems a lot like McFadden - explosive straight line burst with no moves or elusiveness. If I owned him in FF, I would probably be looking to trade him after this game to a team that still needs a "starting RB." I don't know what Oakland is going to do between Murray/Helu/Jones because I don't think there's a real NFL caliber starter among that trio. I guess the FF play might be to grab Helu and hope he gets a shot, but realistically I think they need to dip back into the draft next year and find some runners with creativity and cutting ability.

 
EBF said:
It's only one game, but this is brutal so far. Oakland's offense is predictably putrid, yet Murray isn't making anything happen when there's no hole. He seems a lot like McFadden - explosive straight line burst with no moves or elusiveness. If I owned him in FF, I would probably be looking to trade him after this game to a team that still needs a "starting RB." I don't know what Oakland is going to do between Murray/Helu/Jones because I don't think there's a real NFL caliber starter among that trio. I guess the FF play might be to grab Helu and hope he gets a shot, but realistically I think they need to dip back into the draft next year and find some runners with creativity and cutting ability.
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It's not one game, it's one half. And CIN is a solid D.

 
EBF said:
It's only one game, but this is brutal so far. Oakland's offense is predictably putrid, yet Murray isn't making anything happen when there's no hole. He seems a lot like McFadden - explosive straight line burst with no moves or elusiveness. If I owned him in FF, I would probably be looking to trade him after this game to a team that still needs a "starting RB." I don't know what Oakland is going to do between Murray/Helu/Jones because I don't think there's a real NFL caliber starter among that trio. I guess the FF play might be to grab Helu and hope he gets a shot, but realistically I think they need to dip back into the draft next year and find some runners with creativity and cutting ability.
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Lol, he's got 63 total yards at the half in a game they are trailing 24-0. He's fine.

 
EBF said:
It's only one game, but this is brutal so far. Oakland's offense is predictably putrid, yet Murray isn't making anything happen when there's no hole. He seems a lot like McFadden - explosive straight line burst with no moves or elusiveness. If I owned him in FF, I would probably be looking to trade him after this game to a team that still needs a "starting RB." I don't know what Oakland is going to do between Murray/Helu/Jones because I don't think there's a real NFL caliber starter among that trio. I guess the FF play might be to grab Helu and hope he gets a shot, but realistically I think they need to dip back into the draft next year and find some runners with creativity and cutting ability.
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He's on pace for 126 total yards and 8 catches.

Brutal... :lmao:

How'd your boy Stewart do today?

 
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EBF said:
It's only one game, but this is brutal so far. Oakland's offense is predictably putrid, yet Murray isn't making anything happen when there's no hole. He seems a lot like McFadden - explosive straight line burst with no moves or elusiveness. If I owned him in FF, I would probably be looking to trade him after this game to a team that still needs a "starting RB." I don't know what Oakland is going to do between Murray/Helu/Jones because I don't think there's a real NFL caliber starter among that trio. I guess the FF play might be to grab Helu and hope he gets a shot, but realistically I think they need to dip back into the draft next year and find some runners with creativity and cutting ability.
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I thought I'd never says this but lol EBF

 
ponchsox said:
EBF said:
It's only one game, but this is brutal so far. Oakland's offense is predictably putrid, yet Murray isn't making anything happen when there's no hole. He seems a lot like McFadden - explosive straight line burst with no moves or elusiveness. If I owned him in FF, I would probably be looking to trade him after this game to a team that still needs a "starting RB." I don't know what Oakland is going to do between Murray/Helu/Jones because I don't think there's a real NFL caliber starter among that trio. I guess the FF play might be to grab Helu and hope he gets a shot, but realistically I think they need to dip back into the draft next year and find some runners with creativity and cutting ability.
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Lol, he's got 63 total yards at the half in a game they are trailing 24-0. He's fine.
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Wasn't really talking about stats. Was talking about how he looks. Didn't impress me much today.

Plus side is that Oakland has a bare cupboard on offense. Nothing there besides Cooper and the ghost of Crabtree. Touches available by default.

 
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I think he will be a solid RB2 all season. Can't ask for much more where he was going in drafts. Of course I would take more.

 
He does not look very good...but who does on that team. With only Helu to back him up, he will post RB2 stats in PPR just by showing up to work and staying on the field for when the Raiders fall 20+ points behind.

Or could Marcel Reece actually make this a time share?!

 
I hope Latavius has 80 receptions this year, otherwise he won't be worth much fantasy-wise. That O-line is terrible, and the defense looks ripe for weekly punking by opposing offenses.

 
EBF said:
ponchsox said:
EBF said:
It's only one game, but this is brutal so far. Oakland's offense is predictably putrid, yet Murray isn't making anything happen when there's no hole. He seems a lot like McFadden - explosive straight line burst with no moves or elusiveness. If I owned him in FF, I would probably be looking to trade him after this game to a team that still needs a "starting RB." I don't know what Oakland is going to do between Murray/Helu/Jones because I don't think there's a real NFL caliber starter among that trio. I guess the FF play might be to grab Helu and hope he gets a shot, but realistically I think they need to dip back into the draft next year and find some runners with creativity and cutting ability.
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Lol, he's got 63 total yards at the half in a game they are trailing 24-0. He's fine.
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Wasn't really talking about stats. Was talking about how he looks. Didn't impress me much today.

Plus side is that Oakland has a bare cupboard on offense. Nothing there besides Cooper and the ghost of Crabtree. Touches available by default.
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Targets by default... Isnt opportunity a staple of how we evaluate potential talent/ value in FF?If your statement is from a raiders fans POV, then fine, but otherwise, what else do you want?

 
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Yeah I mean that was about what I was expecting to be a typical game for him. He looks pretty decent, the Raiders suck, but he'll get volume by default. If their offense starts to click mid-season he could be a low-end RB1. For where he was drafted not sure what more people want.

 
I am very worried about how bad they looked and how rough their upcoming schedule is:

Ravens, Broncos and Jets are 3 of the next 6 games.

 
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