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“Chargers expect RB Najae Harris to start”


Anybody know who Nate Harris is at ESPN?

I read on another Chargers site that on Rich Eisen's show, Rich said that Harbaugh said Hampton would start.
:shrug:
 
“Chargers expect RB Najae Harris to start”


Anybody know who Nate Harris is at ESPN?

I read on another Chargers site that on Rich Eisen's show, Rich said that Harbaugh said Hampton would start.
:shrug:

Link?
 
Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be. :ponder:
Bijan had 272. They happen to be the most recent first round RBs drafted. Along with Gibbs, who had 234 but missed two games.

Point is, you can pretty much count on Hampton also hitting that number, like any first round RB.
Bijan had 214 carries to Tyler Allgeier's 186. Close to a 50/50 carry split and Allgeier isn't half the RB Najee is, and Hampton isn't half the RB Bijan is.
Allgeier YPC is 4.4 over his career compared to 3.9 for Najee. Pretty foolish to say Najee is twice as good because he had 1st round draft capital. Just a false statement

Also, just because the Falcons were foolish to split carries doesn't mean the Chargers are going to be
So YPC is the metric we should use across the board in evaluating talent? Somebody should tell Saquon systems and personnel don’t matter.
Oh, so it was the Steelers system that held Najee back? Gotcha
Philosophy to a degree, personnel is also a factor, and maybe just as important or more important, who are you playing? Allgeier had a nice rookie year with Mariota in a run first offense. So did Cordarelle Patterson FWIW. Allgeier went over 100 twice. Cordarelle did the same. He's a WR. To me, most telling of all regarding Allgeier, Atlanta was willing to use a top 10 pick on a RB at a time when the position was greatly devalued, a year after Allgeier rushed for 1,000, another year removed from spending a top 10 on a WR and yet another from spending one on a TE. Allgeier ain't on Najee's level. Sorry bud.
This makes zero sense :doh:
Tell me why?

While your at it, please tell me the run blocking grades for each team in 2022. Never mind, I'll save you the time. Atlanta offensive line ranked 5th in the league with one of the best run blocking right guards and right tackles in the game. Pittsburgh ranked 16th in run blocking. You think this doesn't matter? :bored:
But, but, but Najee is TWICE as good so he should flourish behind even a mid level OL.
Should he though? Tell me about Saquon’s years of toil with the Giants?

On a side note, I’m curious why YOU think Hampton is so much better? Plant your flag. Let’s hear your pitch. Then let’s hear what round you took him in. I got Najee for a buck in a $200 auction. 🤷🏻‍♂️
I got him for $1 as well last night even after the news broke that he may play.

He’s had a good career. Hasn’t lived up to the hype, but has had a good career so far.

You could do a lot worse for late round flyers and cheap auction RBs.
 
Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be. :ponder:
Bijan had 272. They happen to be the most recent first round RBs drafted. Along with Gibbs, who had 234 but missed two games.

Point is, you can pretty much count on Hampton also hitting that number, like any first round RB.
Bijan had 214 carries to Tyler Allgeier's 186. Close to a 50/50 carry split and Allgeier isn't half the RB Najee is, and Hampton isn't half the RB Bijan is.
Allgeier YPC is 4.4 over his career compared to 3.9 for Najee. Pretty foolish to say Najee is twice as good because he had 1st round draft capital. Just a false statement

Also, just because the Falcons were foolish to split carries doesn't mean the Chargers are going to be
So YPC is the metric we should use across the board in evaluating talent? Somebody should tell Saquon systems and personnel don’t matter.
Oh, so it was the Steelers system that held Najee back? Gotcha
Philosophy to a degree, personnel is also a factor, and maybe just as important or more important, who are you playing? Allgeier had a nice rookie year with Mariota in a run first offense. So did Cordarelle Patterson FWIW. Allgeier went over 100 twice. Cordarelle did the same. He's a WR. To me, most telling of all regarding Allgeier, Atlanta was willing to use a top 10 pick on a RB at a time when the position was greatly devalued, a year after Allgeier rushed for 1,000, another year removed from spending a top 10 on a WR and yet another from spending one on a TE. Allgeier ain't on Najee's level. Sorry bud.
This makes zero sense :doh:
Tell me why?

While your at it, please tell me the run blocking grades for each team in 2022. Never mind, I'll save you the time. Atlanta offensive line ranked 5th in the league with one of the best run blocking right guards and right tackles in the game. Pittsburgh ranked 16th in run blocking. You think this doesn't matter? :bored:
But, but, but Najee is TWICE as good so he should flourish behind even a mid level OL.
Should he though? Tell me about Saquon’s years of toil with the Giants?

On a side note, I’m curious why YOU think Hampton is so much better? Plant your flag. Let’s hear your pitch. Then let’s hear what round you took him in. I got Najee for a buck in a $200 auction. 🤷🏻‍♂️
I got him for $1 as well last night even after the news broke that he may play.

He’s had a good career. Hasn’t lived up to the hype, but has had a good career so far.

You could do a lot worse for late round flyers and cheap auction RBs.
I totally agree with that. Najee is a great value right now. Was really excited about my dynasty copies when he first signed. Not so much after they drafted Hampton.
 
“Chargers expect RB Najae Harris to start”


Anybody know who Nate Harris is at ESPN?

I read on another Chargers site that on Rich Eisen's show, Rich said that Harbaugh said Hampton would start.
:shrug:

Link?

 
“Chargers expect RB Najae Harris to start”


Anybody know who Nate Harris is at ESPN?

I read on another Chargers site that on Rich Eisen's show, Rich said that Harbaugh said Hampton would start.
:shrug:

Link?

This feels like an AI chat bot wrote this article.
 
As is obvious from this thread, there is a spectrum of opinions on how Harris and Hampton will be used this season., so I want to put some predictions on the record.

I don't own either player on any fantasy team, so my opinion is not influenced by anything other than being a very serious Chargers fan.

Assumptions:
  • Harris will have to build up to a potential full workload over the first 2-4 weeks of the regular season, even if he has no setbacks. Otherwise, I assume he will be healthy.
  • I assume Hampton will remain healthy all season.
  • I assume no major injuries to key players around them, like Herbert, McConkey, Alt, and Becton.
Predictions:
  • Hampton will get at least 60% of the RB touches this season.
  • Harris will get no more than 35% of the RB touches this season.
  • I predict 450 RB touches. That means I am predicting 270+ touches for Hampton and no more than 160 touches for Harris.
If my predictions are reasonably close, there will be a lot of posters here who will be disappointed in Harris's fantasy performance.
Harris was almost free for anyone who drafted late into camp/preseason. Anything he gives is gravy. If he gives nothing, he's an easy churn candidate.

That said, you're projecting 270 touches for Hampton? How many of those are receptions? If Harris is healthy (which he must be for them to have kept him around), I just don't see how a rookie out-touches him almost 2 to 1. If for no other reason than they are similar backs with Harris being a known commodity on passing downs, and them not wanting to burn the tires off Hampton out the gate. Just IMO of course.

I posted this to put it on the record given others with differing opinions like yourself.

OC Roman doesn't throw a lot to the RBs. To answer your question on that I could see 30 receptions for Hampton, who was known as a good receiving RB in college, and 15-20 for Harris.

Some reasons for my predictions:
  • I believe Harris will have to ramp up over the first 2-4 weeks. I don't believe he is ready for RB1 workload week 1. I'm not at all certain he will be active week 1.
  • The Chargers invested a first round pick in Hampton. He is their RB1 for at least 2026-2028, so hard for me to see them not giving him every opportunity to earn his RB1 position in 2025 due to the presence of Harris, who almost certainly will not be with the Chargers in 2026 and has missed virtually all of camp/preseason.
  • Hampton is a fresh rookie who had a strong draft profile. As has been posted here, other first round RBs in recent years have performed very well as rookies.
  • Hampton's RAS blows away Harris's RAS. He is a much stronger athlete, and it shows up on the field, though granted only in college for Hampton so far. I think that will change very soon.
Posters keep posting that Hampton hasn't had a meaningful carry yet, as if that is meaningful. He hasn't yet had that opportunity, but he is going to have plenty of them in less than 48 hours. That argument doesn't carry much weight with me. YMMV.
 
“Chargers expect RB Najae Harris to start”


Anybody know who Nate Harris is at ESPN?

I read on another Chargers site that on Rich Eisen's show, Rich said that Harbaugh said Hampton would start.
:shrug:

Link?

This feels like an AI chat bot wrote this article.

Take it for what it's worth. I honestly don't believe it matters who starts. It matters who gets snaps and who gets touches. And I expect that to be Hampton this week.
 
“Chargers expect RB Najae Harris to start”


Anybody know who Nate Harris is at ESPN?

I read on another Chargers site that on Rich Eisen's show, Rich said that Harbaugh said Hampton would start.
:shrug:

Link?
Here ya go
 
I don't think Najae is cooked, and neither does his coach. And he's getting paid starter money-making more than Hampton this year.

What I do expect is for him to be limited week 1. It's a tough matchup anyways vs Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of the best run stoppers in the league.
But those who drafted Hampton has to start him anyways due to the ADP.
 
I don't think Najae is cooked, and neither does his coach. And he's getting paid starter money-making more than Hampton this year.

What I do expect is for him to be limited week 1. It's a tough matchup anyways vs Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of the best run stoppers in the league.
But those who drafted Hampton has to start him anyways due to the ADP.

ADP is a terrible reason for starting any player.
 
I don't think Najae is cooked, and neither does his coach. And he's getting paid starter money-making more than Hampton this year.

What I do expect is for him to be limited week 1. It's a tough matchup anyways vs Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of the best run stoppers in the league.
But those who drafted Hampton has to start him anyways due to the ADP.
You think if his coach thought he was cooked, he’d tell you?
 
I don't think Najae is cooked, and neither does his coach. And he's getting paid starter money-making more than Hampton this year.

What I do expect is for him to be limited week 1. It's a tough matchup anyways vs Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of the best run stoppers in the league.
But those who drafted Hampton has to start him anyways due to the ADP.

ADP is a terrible reason for starting any player.

Those who drafted Hampton were in round 3/4/5 ADP, as RB1 or RB2.
Who else are they going to start over Hampton? So yes, ADP does provide logical reasoning to start Hampton this week.
 
I don't think Najae is cooked, and neither does his coach. And he's getting paid starter money-making more than Hampton this year.

What I do expect is for him to be limited week 1. It's a tough matchup anyways vs Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of the best run stoppers in the league.
But those who drafted Hampton has to start him anyways due to the ADP.
You think if his coach thought he was cooked, he’d tell you?

No. If his coach thought he was cooked, they would have brought in another vet off the street or placed him on IR.
None of that happened.
There are transactions + contract data you can pin point to understand what the owner/coach staff thinks of a player.
 
I don't think Najae is cooked, and neither does his coach. And he's getting paid starter money-making more than Hampton this year.

What I do expect is for him to be limited week 1. It's a tough matchup anyways vs Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of the best run stoppers in the league.
But those who drafted Hampton has to start him anyways due to the ADP.
You think if his coach thought he was cooked, he’d tell you?

No. If his coach thought he was cooked, they would have brought in another vet off the street or placed him on IR.
None of that happened.
There are transactions + contract data you can pin point to understand what the owner/coach staff thinks of a player.
Hmm I thought players who are injured go on IR. I didn’t think it was also reserved for players who coaches think are washed. I’m excited to see his usage during the game to form an opinion on how he plays.
 
“Chargers expect RB Najae Harris to start”


Anybody know who Nate Harris is at ESPN?
Wow, what a backfire on all the resident jokesters.
lol followed immediately by Harbaugh saying “Really hard to predict play counts. He's going to play football and have at it. That's the mindset."

Not much of a backfire if he gets 1 carry to keep his streak alive. You’d have to be nuts to start Najee.
 
damn need to play him or hampton in the flex....
Week 1 I would go Hampton and it’s not close. I just don’t see how any player can miss all of camp in a new offense, with zero exercise, practice for 5 days and go take a sizable share of the workload. That defies logic.

But that’s just like, my opinion, maaaaaaaan.
 
I don't think Najae is cooked, and neither does his coach. And he's getting paid starter money-making more than Hampton this year.

What I do expect is for him to be limited week 1. It's a tough matchup anyways vs Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of the best run stoppers in the league.
But those who drafted Hampton has to start him anyways due to the ADP.
You think if his coach thought he was cooked, he’d tell you?

No. If his coach thought he was cooked, they would have brought in another vet off the street or placed him on IR.
None of that happened.
There are transactions + contract data you can pin point to understand what the owner/coach staff thinks of a player.
Hmm I thought players who are injured go on IR. I didn’t think it was also reserved for players who coaches think are washed. I’m excited to see his usage during the game to form an opinion on how he plays.

You'd be amazed what teams use the IR for that we are not privy to.

I get it, you're a Hampton owner in 3 leagues.
You do you. But man, you sure spend a lot of time in this thread being a Hampton supporter.
Trying a little too hard there? Trying to justify taking a RB2/flex and you thought you drafted a RB1? You could be right...we shall see.
 
damn need to play him or hampton in the flex....
Week 1 I would go Hampton and it’s not close. I just don’t see how any player can miss all of camp in a new offense, with zero exercise, practice for 5 days and go take a sizable share of the workload. That defies logic.

But that’s just like, my opinion, maaaaaaaan.
Flex? Hampton should be in every starting lineup. Najee should be in none,
 
damn need to play him or hampton in the flex....
Week 1 I would go Hampton and it’s not close. I just don’t see how any player can miss all of camp in a new offense, with zero exercise, practice for 5 days and go take a sizable share of the workload. That defies logic.

But that’s just like, my opinion, maaaaaaaan.
Flex? Hampton should be in every starting lineup. Najee should be in none,

For sure Najae needs to be on bench week 1.
Hampton should have a workhorse role week 1. Though, it is a tough matchup and LAC might have to air it out to keep up with Maholmes.
Not so sure rest of season if both backs will consistently see a workhorse role. I think it will be closer to an even split.
 
I think it will be closer to an even split.
If Hampton comes out and looks like the real deal, Najee may struggle to get 50%.

Coaches love the hot hand, and invested significant draft capital in Hampton.

Sure, Najee got paid. From here out it’s anyone’s guess how the touches are distributed, but IMO performance/eye test (seriously no joke intended there) will decide how things go moving forward.
 
I don't think Najae is cooked, and neither does his coach. And he's getting paid starter money-making more than Hampton this year.

What I do expect is for him to be limited week 1. It's a tough matchup anyways vs Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of the best run stoppers in the league.
But those who drafted Hampton has to start him anyways due to the ADP.
You think if his coach thought he was cooked, he’d tell you?

No. If his coach thought he was cooked, they would have brought in another vet off the street or placed him on IR.
None of that happened.
There are transactions + contract data you can pin point to understand what the owner/coach staff thinks of a player.
He signed him to a one year deal and drafted an rb in the first
 
I don't think Najae is cooked, and neither does his coach. And he's getting paid starter money-making more than Hampton this year.

What I do expect is for him to be limited week 1. It's a tough matchup anyways vs Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of the best run stoppers in the league.
But those who drafted Hampton has to start him anyways due to the ADP.
You think if his coach thought he was cooked, he’d tell you?

No. If his coach thought he was cooked, they would have brought in another vet off the street or placed him on IR.
None of that happened.
There are transactions + contract data you can pin point to understand what the owner/coach staff thinks of a player.
He signed him to a one year deal and drafted an rb in the first

Yep so what is the narrative here? Two perspectives:

1. 2025 - The veteran minimum for RBs with 4-6 seasons earns $1.17 million. Najae has a fully guaranteed base salary of $5.25 million, worth up to $9.25 million. That is starter money-certainly not money for a "washed" up or "cooked" NFL player. This kind of money dished out is for someone who is taking close to 50% of snaps. For comparison, Hampton has a base salary of $840k. But after signing bonus his cap hit is $3.23 million. So we are playing for 2025 right? This supports a near 50/50 split between the two.

2. 2026 and beyond - It's Hampton's backfield for sure. Dynasty leagues will have a great foundation if they drafted Hampton. But hold on, Greg Roman typically does not use a workhorse back. So if he is the OC 2026 they could bring in another vet. But I think it will be a complimentary role where Hampton will have at least 65% of snaps.
 
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ESPN’s Rich Eisen said Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh told him Omarion Hampton will start in Week 1 against the Chiefs.
He did lead with “all he would allow,” so we’re not exactly predicting this to not be a timeshare or anything. But it makes plenty of sense that the Chargers would go with the healthy young back as the main portion of their game plan as compared to Najee Harris coming off a lot of missed time in camp. Harris should probably mix in and take up to 30-40 percent of the snaps, perhaps more if the coaches like what they’re seeing.
My my my, how the worm turns.
 
ESPN’s Rich Eisen said Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh told him Omarion Hampton will start in Week 1 against the Chiefs.
He did lead with “all he would allow,” so we’re not exactly predicting this to not be a timeshare or anything. But it makes plenty of sense that the Chargers would go with the healthy young back as the main portion of their game plan as compared to Najee Harris coming off a lot of missed time in camp. Harris should probably mix in and take up to 30-40 percent of the snaps, perhaps more if the coaches like what they’re seeing.
My my my, how the worm turns.

They sort of said that a day or so ago. Not to criticize but different outlets are reporting different things. It's wild.
 
ESPN’s Rich Eisen said Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh told him Omarion Hampton will start in Week 1 against the Chiefs.
He did lead with “all he would allow,” so we’re not exactly predicting this to not be a timeshare or anything. But it makes plenty of sense that the Chargers would go with the healthy young back as the main portion of their game plan as compared to Najee Harris coming off a lot of missed time in camp. Harris should probably mix in and take up to 30-40 percent of the snaps, perhaps more if the coaches like what they’re seeing.
My my my, how the worm turns.

They sort of said that a day or so ago. Not to criticize but different outlets are reporting different things. It's wild.
I know I just like stirring the pot.
:stirspot:
 
ESPN’s Rich Eisen said Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh told him Omarion Hampton will start in Week 1 against the Chiefs.
He did lead with “all he would allow,” so we’re not exactly predicting this to not be a timeshare or anything. But it makes plenty of sense that the Chargers would go with the healthy young back as the main portion of their game plan as compared to Najee Harris coming off a lot of missed time in camp. Harris should probably mix in and take up to 30-40 percent of the snaps, perhaps more if the coaches like what they’re seeing.
My my my, how the worm turns.

They sort of said that a day or so ago. Not to criticize but different outlets are reporting different things. It's wild.
I know I just like stirring the pot.
:stirspot:

Or at least this morning. Now I'm seeing it come across my timeline for some reason. Huh.
 
Man, I miss the FF spin narratives. Lmao

What evidence is there that Najee is cooked? He's 27 and likely the same replacement level RB he's been throughout his career.

Hampton is clearly the guy you want in FF and should be started over Harris without hesitation. But Najee is a quality handcuff and despite being average, has shown the ability to grind out 250+ carries and 1K yards every season he's been in the league. That has value.

Again, I don't think he's particularly good but he will be a factor for a team that wants to run the ball as much or more than any other team in the league.

You could do a lot worse for end of roster RB depth.
 
So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... 🎤drop

I drafted Hampton and did not draft Najee Harris. I watch most Steelers games since I grew up a Steelers fan before moving to Houston. To me Harris is a JAG. He does everything the coaches ask of him, but nothing at an exceptional or even above average level. I would rather use my late round picks on guys with more upside.

If Hampton can't beat out Najee for the starting job then the problem is not that Najee is super good, but rather the LA Chargers scouts were wrong about Hampton and that pick is a bust for both them and for me.
 
Man, I miss the FF spin narratives. Lmao

What evidence is there that Najee is cooked? He's 27 and likely the same replacement level RB he's been throughout his career.

Hampton is clearly the guy you want in FF and should be started over Harris without hesitation. But Najee is a quality handcuff and despite being average, has shown the ability to grind out 250+ carries and 1K yards every season he's been in the league. That has value.

Again, I don't think he's particularly good but he will be a factor for a team that wants to run the ball as much or more than any other team in the league.

You could do a lot worse for end of roster RB depth.

I'm dropping him for an upside backup. I don't think that Najee in a 50/50 split helps win your league.
 
Man, I miss the FF spin narratives. Lmao

What evidence is there that Najee is cooked? He's 27 and likely the same replacement level RB he's been throughout his career.

Hampton is clearly the guy you want in FF and should be started over Harris without hesitation. But Najee is a quality handcuff and despite being average, has shown the ability to grind out 250+ carries and 1K yards every season he's been in the league. That has value.

Again, I don't think he's particularly good but he will be a factor for a team that wants to run the ball as much or more than any other team in the league.

You could do a lot worse for end of roster RB depth.

I'm dropping him for an upside backup. I don't think that Najee in a 50/50 split helps win your league.
But, you don’t think he himself is an upside backup? If he owned the whole pie?
 
Man, I miss the FF spin narratives. Lmao

What evidence is there that Najee is cooked? He's 27 and likely the same replacement level RB he's been throughout his career.

Hampton is clearly the guy you want in FF and should be started over Harris without hesitation. But Najee is a quality handcuff and despite being average, has shown the ability to grind out 250+ carries and 1K yards every season he's been in the league. That has value.

Again, I don't think he's particularly good but he will be a factor for a team that wants to run the ball as much or more than any other team in the league.

You could do a lot worse for end of roster RB depth.

I'm dropping him for an upside backup. I don't think that Najee in a 50/50 split helps win your league.
But, you don’t think he himself is an upside backup? If he owned the whole pie?

Not as much as if somebody like Tahj Brooks or Brashard Smith ascended to RB1 on their teams. And if the league I had Najee in had Bhayshul Tuten or Woody Marks, I'd pick them up also. I just don't see this Chargers offense cooking like the Bengals or the Chiefs and I don't think Najee is enough of an athlete to take advantage of that whole pie. He'd probably cut it with a fork and claim he's full.

Of course, I'm not really sure how wise it is to dump a 50/50 split of the pie and potential TD runs in a sixteen-team league, so there's that. I'll probably wait too long and get stuck with him. My team really stinks anyway. I was drafting on a vacation and then one day pretty much slept through the slow draft and other stuff. My team wound up hurting. Everybody is overdrafted.
 
So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... 🎤drop

I drafted Hampton and did not draft Najee Harris. I watch most Steelers games since I grew up a Steelers fan before moving to Houston. To me Harris is a JAG. He does everything the coaches ask of him, but nothing at an exceptional or even above average level. I would rather use my late round picks on guys with more upside.

If Hampton can't beat out Najee for the starting job then the problem is not that Najee is super good, but rather the LA Chargers scouts were wrong about Hampton and that pick is a bust for both them and for me.

Not disagreeing with anything you've said here. But,,,lol

What do we really mean in terms of upside? Harris' ADP on Fantasy Pros is RB 42. Just behind guys like Brian Robinson and Braelon Allen and just ahead of Jaydon Blue and Rachaad White. Others in that range include Bigsby, Chubb, Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Sampson, etc.

What is the best case scenario for any of those guys? Harris finished as RB 26 last year while splitting carries in a poor to mediocre offense. So he had some value as a flex/bench play. Other than maybe Braelon with an injury or trade of Breece, I don't see that much upside in terms of FF production.

Anything can happen but I just think the FF community falls a little too much in love with the potential upside of players we haven't seen yet vs consistent production of replacement level vets. I get it. I do it too. But sometimes I think we overvalue potential that may or may not really be there at the expense of guys who have proven they can be solid just not spectacular.
 
So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... 🎤drop

I drafted Hampton and did not draft Najee Harris. I watch most Steelers games since I grew up a Steelers fan before moving to Houston. To me Harris is a JAG. He does everything the coaches ask of him, but nothing at an exceptional or even above average level. I would rather use my late round picks on guys with more upside.

If Hampton can't beat out Najee for the starting job then the problem is not that Najee is super good, but rather the LA Chargers scouts were wrong about Hampton and that pick is a bust for both them and for me.

Not disagreeing with anything you've said here. But,,,lol

What do we really mean in terms of upside? Harris' ADP on Fantasy Pros is RB 42. Just behind guys like Brian Robinson and Braelon Allen and just ahead of Jaydon Blue and Rachaad White. Others in that range include Bigsby, Chubb, Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Sampson, etc.

What is the best case scenario for any of those guys? Harris finished as RB 26 last year while splitting carries in a poor to mediocre offense. So he had some value as a flex/bench play. Other than maybe Braelon with an injury or trade of Breece, I don't see that much upside in terms of FF production.

Anything can happen but I just think the FF community falls a little too much in love with the potential upside of players we haven't seen yet vs consistent production of replacement level vets. I get it. I do it too. But sometimes I think we overvalue potential that may or may not really be there at the expense of guys who have proven they can be solid just not spectacular.

Harris was #26 on the season last year, but only #29 in ppg at 11.8 ppg, he was even worse in 2023 ranked #34 at 10.7 ppg per game. If I watch the waiver wire I think I can find a flex that produces 11 ppg off the waiver wire. I could potentially even match that production by just streaming WR's in shallower leagues, ie12 team with less than 16 total roster spots.

Where as someone like Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Braelon Allen, all have contingency upside, either through trade or injury to the people in front of them. The benefit also with drafting someone like Tuten is that if it is clear that he is the #3 RB on his own team after week 1 then i could cut him and use that roster spot on a different player.

Where as if Harris is producing 11 ppg, then he will clog my roster all season.
 
So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... 🎤drop

I drafted Hampton and did not draft Najee Harris. I watch most Steelers games since I grew up a Steelers fan before moving to Houston. To me Harris is a JAG. He does everything the coaches ask of him, but nothing at an exceptional or even above average level. I would rather use my late round picks on guys with more upside.

If Hampton can't beat out Najee for the starting job then the problem is not that Najee is super good, but rather the LA Chargers scouts were wrong about Hampton and that pick is a bust for both them and for me.

Not disagreeing with anything you've said here. But,,,lol

What do we really mean in terms of upside? Harris' ADP on Fantasy Pros is RB 42. Just behind guys like Brian Robinson and Braelon Allen and just ahead of Jaydon Blue and Rachaad White. Others in that range include Bigsby, Chubb, Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Sampson, etc.

What is the best case scenario for any of those guys? Harris finished as RB 26 last year while splitting carries in a poor to mediocre offense. So he had some value as a flex/bench play. Other than maybe Braelon with an injury or trade of Breece, I don't see that much upside in terms of FF production.

Anything can happen but I just think the FF community falls a little too much in love with the potential upside of players we haven't seen yet vs consistent production of replacement level vets. I get it. I do it too. But sometimes I think we overvalue potential that may or may not really be there at the expense of guys who have proven they can be solid just not spectacular.

Harris was #26 on the season last year, but only #29 in ppg at 11.8 ppg, he was even worse in 2023 ranked #34 at 10.7 ppg per game. If I watch the waiver wire I think I can find a flex that produces 11 ppg off the waiver wire. I could potentially even match that production by just streaming WR's in shallower leagues, ie12 team with less than 16 total roster spots.

Where as someone like Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Braelon Allen, all have contingency upside, either through trade or injury to the people in front of them. The benefit also with drafting someone like Tuten is that if it is clear that he is the #3 RB on his own team after week 1 then i could cut him and use that roster spot on a different player.

Where as if Harris is producing 11 ppg, then he will clog my roster all season.
So you don’t think Harris would benefit playing in a real offense with a real QB? I mean, it’s no secret the Steelers passing game and play-calling have been an absolute joke for a while now. No threat to pass, poor O-line, run run incomplete punt. Rinse and repeat and rely on D. Harris is way better football player than people think based on stat sheets alone.

Tuten, Gordon, Allen and many below that level are rostered in every league I play in 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... 🎤drop

I drafted Hampton and did not draft Najee Harris. I watch most Steelers games since I grew up a Steelers fan before moving to Houston. To me Harris is a JAG. He does everything the coaches ask of him, but nothing at an exceptional or even above average level. I would rather use my late round picks on guys with more upside.

If Hampton can't beat out Najee for the starting job then the problem is not that Najee is super good, but rather the LA Chargers scouts were wrong about Hampton and that pick is a bust for both them and for me.

Not disagreeing with anything you've said here. But,,,lol

What do we really mean in terms of upside? Harris' ADP on Fantasy Pros is RB 42. Just behind guys like Brian Robinson and Braelon Allen and just ahead of Jaydon Blue and Rachaad White. Others in that range include Bigsby, Chubb, Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Sampson, etc.

What is the best case scenario for any of those guys? Harris finished as RB 26 last year while splitting carries in a poor to mediocre offense. So he had some value as a flex/bench play. Other than maybe Braelon with an injury or trade of Breece, I don't see that much upside in terms of FF production.

Anything can happen but I just think the FF community falls a little too much in love with the potential upside of players we haven't seen yet vs consistent production of replacement level vets. I get it. I do it too. But sometimes I think we overvalue potential that may or may not really be there at the expense of guys who have proven they can be solid just not spectacular.

Harris was #26 on the season last year, but only #29 in ppg at 11.8 ppg, he was even worse in 2023 ranked #34 at 10.7 ppg per game. If I watch the waiver wire I think I can find a flex that produces 11 ppg off the waiver wire. I could potentially even match that production by just streaming WR's in shallower leagues, ie12 team with less than 16 total roster spots.

Where as someone like Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Braelon Allen, all have contingency upside, either through trade or injury to the people in front of them. The benefit also with drafting someone like Tuten is that if it is clear that he is the #3 RB on his own team after week 1 then i could cut him and use that roster spot on a different player.

Where as if Harris is producing 11 ppg, then he will clog my roster all season.

Fair enough. My two main leagues have scoring/settings that favor RBs so a guy like Harris has a little more value than waiver wire WRs but I think we largely agree.

Anyways, I've already devoted too much of my day to Najee freakin Harris so I'm out. Peace be with you.
 
I just have a hard time believing RB26-29 is a league winner. And this assumes good health and that Harbaugh uses him as much if not more than Tomlin.
 
So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... 🎤drop

I drafted Hampton and did not draft Najee Harris. I watch most Steelers games since I grew up a Steelers fan before moving to Houston. To me Harris is a JAG. He does everything the coaches ask of him, but nothing at an exceptional or even above average level. I would rather use my late round picks on guys with more upside.

If Hampton can't beat out Najee for the starting job then the problem is not that Najee is super good, but rather the LA Chargers scouts were wrong about Hampton and that pick is a bust for both them and for me.

Not disagreeing with anything you've said here. But,,,lol

What do we really mean in terms of upside? Harris' ADP on Fantasy Pros is RB 42. Just behind guys like Brian Robinson and Braelon Allen and just ahead of Jaydon Blue and Rachaad White. Others in that range include Bigsby, Chubb, Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Sampson, etc.

What is the best case scenario for any of those guys? Harris finished as RB 26 last year while splitting carries in a poor to mediocre offense. So he had some value as a flex/bench play. Other than maybe Braelon with an injury or trade of Breece, I don't see that much upside in terms of FF production.

Anything can happen but I just think the FF community falls a little too much in love with the potential upside of players we haven't seen yet vs consistent production of replacement level vets. I get it. I do it too. But sometimes I think we overvalue potential that may or may not really be there at the expense of guys who have proven they can be solid just not spectacular.

Harris was #26 on the season last year, but only #29 in ppg at 11.8 ppg, he was even worse in 2023 ranked #34 at 10.7 ppg per game. If I watch the waiver wire I think I can find a flex that produces 11 ppg off the waiver wire. I could potentially even match that production by just streaming WR's in shallower leagues, ie12 team with less than 16 total roster spots.

Where as someone like Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Braelon Allen, all have contingency upside, either through trade or injury to the people in front of them. The benefit also with drafting someone like Tuten is that if it is clear that he is the #3 RB on his own team after week 1 then i could cut him and use that roster spot on a different player.

Where as if Harris is producing 11 ppg, then he will clog my roster all season.
So you don’t think Harris would benefit playing in a real offense with a real QB? I mean, it’s no secret the Steelers passing game and play-calling have been an absolute joke for a while now. No threat to pass, poor O-line, run run incomplete punt. Rinse and repeat and rely on D. Harris is way better football player than people think based on stat sheets alone.

Tuten, Gordon, Allen and many below that level are rostered in every league I play in 🤷🏻‍♂️

We will find out, maybe you are correct, maybe I am correct. We will need to agree to disagree and wait to see how this season plays out.

Either way I went with Hampton in the 4th and was not considering Harris in the 14th round where he went. I chose Dylan Sampson and Bryce Young over Harris for my 13/14 round picks. It is a superflex and I waited on backup QBs, so i wanted an extra backup. I have JJ mcararthy/Young as my QB 3/4.
 
Sure, Najee got paid

Did he really? His 2025 cap hit is #21 among RBs, and there are a number of quality RBs (e.g., Gibbs, Hall, Hampton) on rookie contracts with lower cap hits. I would say the market was lukewarm for Harris.

1. 2025 - The veteran minimum for RBs with 4-6 seasons earns $1.17 million. Najae has a fully guaranteed base salary of $5.25 million, worth up to $9.25 million. That is starter money-certainly not money for a "washed" up or "cooked" NFL player. This kind of money dished out is for someone who is taking close to 50% of snaps. For comparison, Hampton has a base salary of $840k. But after signing bonus his cap hit is $3.23 million. So we are playing for 2025 right? This supports a near 50/50 split between the two.

IMO the Chargers did not plan to draft Hampton. The draft was essentially a worst case scenario for the Chargers, and they were left with Hampton as the only player remaining in their tier of best players remaining. The point is, when they signed Harris, IMO they intended for him to be RB1, and I expect they planned to draft a RB in the 3rd round or so behind him. The draft changed things, as did Harris's injury. So IMO Harris's salary (which isn't particularly impressive for a second RB contract, as noted above) isn't necessarily indicative of what his role will be.
 
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If I drafted Hampton I would have to roll with it for week 1.

I drafted Harris as a late round flyer, but I can’t imagine starting him. Would it shock me if he ends up getting the most touches? No way.

Now we will all watch Haskins come out and out touch both of them.
 
Man, I miss the FF spin narratives. Lmao

What evidence is there that Najee is cooked? He's 27 and likely the same replacement level RB he's been throughout his career.

Hampton is clearly the guy you want in FF and should be started over Harris without hesitation. But Najee is a quality handcuff and despite being average, has shown the ability to grind out 250+ carries and 1K yards every season he's been in the league. That has value.

Again, I don't think he's particularly good but he will be a factor for a team that wants to run the ball as much or more than any other team in the league.

You could do a lot worse for end of roster RB depth.
Perfectly said
 
So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... 🎤drop

I drafted Hampton and did not draft Najee Harris. I watch most Steelers games since I grew up a Steelers fan before moving to Houston. To me Harris is a JAG. He does everything the coaches ask of him, but nothing at an exceptional or even above average level. I would rather use my late round picks on guys with more upside.

If Hampton can't beat out Najee for the starting job then the problem is not that Najee is super good, but rather the LA Chargers scouts were wrong about Hampton and that pick is a bust for both them and for me.

Not disagreeing with anything you've said here. But,,,lol

What do we really mean in terms of upside? Harris' ADP on Fantasy Pros is RB 42. Just behind guys like Brian Robinson and Braelon Allen and just ahead of Jaydon Blue and Rachaad White. Others in that range include Bigsby, Chubb, Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Sampson, etc.

What is the best case scenario for any of those guys? Harris finished as RB 26 last year while splitting carries in a poor to mediocre offense. So he had some value as a flex/bench play. Other than maybe Braelon with an injury or trade of Breece, I don't see that much upside in terms of FF production.

Anything can happen but I just think the FF community falls a little too much in love with the potential upside of players we haven't seen yet vs consistent production of replacement level vets. I get it. I do it too. But sometimes I think we overvalue potential that may or may not really be there at the expense of guys who have proven they can be solid just not spectacular.

Harris was #26 on the season last year, but only #29 in ppg at 11.8 ppg, he was even worse in 2023 ranked #34 at 10.7 ppg per game. If I watch the waiver wire I think I can find a flex that produces 11 ppg off the waiver wire. I could potentially even match that production by just streaming WR's in shallower leagues, ie12 team with less than 16 total roster spots.

Where as someone like Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Braelon Allen, all have contingency upside, either through trade or injury to the people in front of them. The benefit also with drafting someone like Tuten is that if it is clear that he is the #3 RB on his own team after week 1 then i could cut him and use that roster spot on a different player.

Where as if Harris is producing 11 ppg, then he will clog my roster all season.
So you don’t think Harris would benefit playing in a real offense with a real QB? I mean, it’s no secret the Steelers passing game and play-calling have been an absolute joke for a while now. No threat to pass, poor O-line, run run incomplete punt. Rinse and repeat and rely on D. Harris is way better football player than people think based on stat sheets alone.

Tuten, Gordon, Allen and many below that level are rostered in every league I play in 🤷🏻‍♂️

We will find out, maybe you are correct, maybe I am correct. We will need to agree to disagree and wait to see how this season plays out.

Either way I went with Hampton in the 4th and was not considering Harris in the 14th round where he went. I chose Dylan Sampson and Bryce Young over Harris for my 13/14 round picks. It is a superflex and I waited on backup QBs, so i wanted an extra backup. I have JJ mcararthy/Young as my QB 3/4.

Again, I don't think we even necessarily disagree. I've been playing this game a LONG time and have often favored upside at the end of the roster over guys like Najee.

But I also know that when bye weeks, injuries, fluke stuff happens then its sometimes valuable to have a guy at the end of your bench that can get you 10-13 pts in a given week.

He's not a "league winner" but I think that phrase is overused anyway. Lotto tickets are fun. But sometimes its just as/more useful to cash out the change you have sitting in your jar.
 
So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... 🎤drop

I drafted Hampton and did not draft Najee Harris. I watch most Steelers games since I grew up a Steelers fan before moving to Houston. To me Harris is a JAG. He does everything the coaches ask of him, but nothing at an exceptional or even above average level. I would rather use my late round picks on guys with more upside.

If Hampton can't beat out Najee for the starting job then the problem is not that Najee is super good, but rather the LA Chargers scouts were wrong about Hampton and that pick is a bust for both them and for me.

Not disagreeing with anything you've said here. But,,,lol

What do we really mean in terms of upside? Harris' ADP on Fantasy Pros is RB 42. Just behind guys like Brian Robinson and Braelon Allen and just ahead of Jaydon Blue and Rachaad White. Others in that range include Bigsby, Chubb, Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Sampson, etc.

What is the best case scenario for any of those guys? Harris finished as RB 26 last year while splitting carries in a poor to mediocre offense. So he had some value as a flex/bench play. Other than maybe Braelon with an injury or trade of Breece, I don't see that much upside in terms of FF production.

Anything can happen but I just think the FF community falls a little too much in love with the potential upside of players we haven't seen yet vs consistent production of replacement level vets. I get it. I do it too. But sometimes I think we overvalue potential that may or may not really be there at the expense of guys who have proven they can be solid just not spectacular.

Harris was #26 on the season last year, but only #29 in ppg at 11.8 ppg, he was even worse in 2023 ranked #34 at 10.7 ppg per game. If I watch the waiver wire I think I can find a flex that produces 11 ppg off the waiver wire. I could potentially even match that production by just streaming WR's in shallower leagues, ie12 team with less than 16 total roster spots.

Where as someone like Tuten, Ollie Gordon, Braelon Allen, all have contingency upside, either through trade or injury to the people in front of them. The benefit also with drafting someone like Tuten is that if it is clear that he is the #3 RB on his own team after week 1 then i could cut him and use that roster spot on a different player.

Where as if Harris is producing 11 ppg, then he will clog my roster all season.
So you don’t think Harris would benefit playing in a real offense with a real QB? I mean, it’s no secret the Steelers passing game and play-calling have been an absolute joke for a while now. No threat to pass, poor O-line, run run incomplete punt. Rinse and repeat and rely on D. Harris is way better football player than people think based on stat sheets alone.

Tuten, Gordon, Allen and many below that level are rostered in every league I play in 🤷🏻‍♂️

We will find out, maybe you are correct, maybe I am correct. We will need to agree to disagree and wait to see how this season plays out.

Either way I went with Hampton in the 4th and was not considering Harris in the 14th round where he went. I chose Dylan Sampson and Bryce Young over Harris for my 13/14 round picks. It is a superflex and I waited on backup QBs, so i wanted an extra backup. I have JJ mcararthy/Young as my QB 3/4.

Again, I don't think we even necessarily disagree. I've been playing this game a LONG time and have often favored upside at the end of the roster over guys like Najee.

But I also know that when bye weeks, injuries, fluke stuff happens then its sometimes valuable to have a guy at the end of your bench that can get you 10-13 pts in a given week.

He's not a "league winner" but I think that phrase is overused anyway. Lotto tickets are fun. But sometimes its just as/more useful to cash out the change you have sitting in your jar.
Agreed. Value above replacement running backs, like Najee, do have value, and will pop every now and then, but their average PPG is nothing to be happy about on this weekly game. I think players like him should belong on waivers and be used for bye weeks only or they are players that should be traded to RB needy teams who need a spot starter. I don't see Najee being a 14-16 PPG player any time soon.
 

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