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RB Podcast Question: Mike Bell, DEN (1 Viewer)
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Every TC report I read makes me believe Cobbs will be lucky to even MAKE the team. Not sure why he's being talked up.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Is this a live podcast? When did it take place? I'm not up on these things, so pardon my ignorance.
What date are you listening to?Who is saying "we called it"?The daily camp reports are there for anyone to read in the Daily Email Updates. That's the good thing about putting everything you do out there on the record. We reported each day what was going on with Tatum Bell and Dayne working at #1 and #2 and we also reported that Mike Bell was right up there. Bringing people the words from Shanahan last week that M. Bell was "right in the mix". Please let me know what you're talking about. TIAJ
Draftnik
Footballguy
What's the date on the podcast? Was it before camp started? OTA's? The guy was an undrafted FA from a mediocre football program (no apologies to LHUCKS). I doubt Shanny himself would have said much more about Bell's chances at the time that podcast was produced.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
A pathetic thread.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
sholditch,Opinions on the Podcast are automatically dated as soon as Cecil records them.He records different sessions with each of us depending on our (and his) limited availability, then edits and gets assistance from Keith to upload to the site, test the links, and make them available.IIRC, RBs were recorded about 10 days ago.Sure they aren't "live", but they are under 2 weeks old (during the preseason), but even still there will be surprise moves this time of year. Mike Bell may be the first, but he won't be the last.It is better than some of the print info floating out there (including ours) which are circa May.Thanks for listening.-Jeff
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Cec and I recorded that segment days before the Broncos training camp opened. Cec, who has been at the Broncos camp every day since, was the first person I saw really alert folks that Mike Bell was making a move. But when we recorded that call, no question Cec and I can't pretend to have seen this coming.
The format was going through the RB situation for every team in the league...we would discuss the starters first and then go all the way down the depth chart.
Cec mentioned Mike Bell and cited his pedestrian skill set, he then asked me if I thought Bell would make the final roster. My response was "I think Bell making the roster would be his upside."
but that's why training camps are so interesting. Apparently we weren't the only ones shocked by Mike Bell's ascendence...Tatum Bell is downright livid.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ts/15227965.htm
The format was going through the RB situation for every team in the league...we would discuss the starters first and then go all the way down the depth chart.
Cec mentioned Mike Bell and cited his pedestrian skill set, he then asked me if I thought Bell would make the final roster. My response was "I think Bell making the roster would be his upside."
but that's why training camps are so interesting. Apparently we weren't the only ones shocked by Mike Bell's ascendence...Tatum Bell is downright livid.http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ts/15227965.htm
sholditch
Footballguy
It is old. I just heard a lot of people ragging on FBG staff for "taking credit" for nailing Mike Bell as the starter. When these were done, he certainly wasn't getting any love. Personally I never really saw where FBG staff took credit for it, but other people were talking about it. Feel free to delete if you want.Joe Bryant said:
sholditch
Footballguy
Jason Wood said:Cec and I recorded that segment days before the Broncos training camp opened. Cec, who has been at the Broncos camp every day since, was the first person I saw really alert folks that Mike Bell was making a move. But when we recorded that call, no question Cec and I can't pretend to have seen this coming.
The format was going through the RB situation for every team in the league...we would discuss the starters first and then go all the way down the depth chart.
Cec mentioned Mike Bell and cited his pedestrian skill set, he then asked me if I thought Bell would make the final roster. My response was "I think Bell making the roster would be his upside."
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ts/15227965.htm
I've never been a Bell beleiver, but I have to wonder if he wouldn't be starting somewhere else by now.
Neo
The Dude minds
Jeez, what I don't get is there probably wasn't a person on this earth, except maybe Mike Bell and his mother, who thought he had a shot in hell of contibuting in a starting role, let alone make the team, before training camp. People need to get a grip.....if footballguys would of predicted that, people would of bashed them for not knowing anything. It's a thankless job at times.......
I haven't seen anyone take credit for calling this on the staff.....I've only read excellent analysis in the camp reports by Cecil. People may be talking out of their ###....
I haven't seen anyone take credit for calling this on the staff.....I've only read excellent analysis in the camp reports by Cecil. People may be talking out of their ###....
Davej626
5.56 solves all
Yea, but not as upset as Maurice...Jason Wood said:Cec and I recorded that segment days before the Broncos training camp opened. Cec, who has been at the Broncos camp every day since, was the first person I saw really alert folks that Mike Bell was making a move. But when we recorded that call, no question Cec and I can't pretend to have seen this coming.
The format was going through the RB situation for every team in the league...we would discuss the starters first and then go all the way down the depth chart.
Cec mentioned Mike Bell and cited his pedestrian skill set, he then asked me if I thought Bell would make the final roster. My response was "I think Bell making the roster would be his upside."
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ts/15227965.htm
Thanks Neo.That's pretty much what I've seen.Sloditch, who exactly did you see or hear that was saying we made claims to have "called it"? I take that pretty seriously when someone comes on our board and does the "so much for..." when it's something we never said. Who said that?TIAJ
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sholditch
Footballguy
I'd love to play detective here, but there have been about 10,000 Mike Bell related posts since the news came out. I honestly can't remember. It wasn't anything malicious. Just some people opining that it seemed like the writers were needlessly patting themselves on the back. Like I said, feel free to delete this if it's misleading. Thus far there really has been only one person who called this and that was a guy who drafted him in a dynasty back in June.
You're saying someone on this board was claiming we called it?J
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
So I assume you can quote several links from other fantasy sites that were talking up Mike Bell weeks ago? Hindsight is 20/20, and it's pretty lame of you to post this nonsense.sholditch said:
i think the operative word in the first post is to say "we" called it...
that makes it sound like it was FBG saying it, & not an individual...
so even if that isn't what you meant, it could be the source of the miscommunication...
* in other words, the point you seem to be trying to make could have been said with less confusion by stating... so much for "some people" claiming blah blah blah...
as to one guy predicting it, it is obviously a big difference between somebody taking a stab & saying this guy will be the starter & a site staking their reputation on something like that... it would be reckless for FBG to say... mike bell is absolutely, positively going to be the starter & we are taking this stand back in april & may right after the draft (just so we look good later if it turns out)... at that time, & until a few days ago, virtually 100% of those close to the situation would have thought it would be dayne or bell...
i think some sites (though not FBG) DO throw darts, just so when some of them inevitably hit, they can print blurbs in ads in their site following season touting how they "called it"... some think this is what fantasy index did last year with bell call, though i'm not sure i agree (flip side is you look bad when wrong on a prominent call like that)... but if people are guessing, for every one guy who "calls" bell in advance as a starter there must be hundreds of whiffs, as the odds aren't very good on speculative situations like that... of course the sites that do this selectively leave out the misses...
it is important to realize that sometimes, just because somebody says something & it subsequently turns out that way, maybe doesn't mean they "knew" it with the same kind of authority as, say, we mean when we drop a rock from our hands & say with confidence... i "know" it is going to hit the ground...
if 100 people throw a 100 sided die (or whatever), and one of them guesses the number 1 & that person is the one out of 100 that has a match between number predicted & actually rolled, it would be a strange sense of the word to say they "knew" it was going to come up 1...
a FBG guy in one of my leagues (pony boy) took bell late, & he did say you never know, he might emerge... that was a smart move imo to get a guy like that late... but he never said at the time he "knew" he would be starting by first pre-game...
if literally no site in the world saw this coming & claimed it in a definitive way, hard to see how FBG could be faulted for being somewhat surprised by the developement... we may have said it "could" happen... but nobody in a site like ours claimed that he was a lock starter 1-2 months ago?
that makes it sound like it was FBG saying it, & not an individual...
so even if that isn't what you meant, it could be the source of the miscommunication...
* in other words, the point you seem to be trying to make could have been said with less confusion by stating... so much for "some people" claiming blah blah blah...
as to one guy predicting it, it is obviously a big difference between somebody taking a stab & saying this guy will be the starter & a site staking their reputation on something like that... it would be reckless for FBG to say... mike bell is absolutely, positively going to be the starter & we are taking this stand back in april & may right after the draft (just so we look good later if it turns out)... at that time, & until a few days ago, virtually 100% of those close to the situation would have thought it would be dayne or bell...
i think some sites (though not FBG) DO throw darts, just so when some of them inevitably hit, they can print blurbs in ads in their site following season touting how they "called it"... some think this is what fantasy index did last year with bell call, though i'm not sure i agree (flip side is you look bad when wrong on a prominent call like that)... but if people are guessing, for every one guy who "calls" bell in advance as a starter there must be hundreds of whiffs, as the odds aren't very good on speculative situations like that... of course the sites that do this selectively leave out the misses...
it is important to realize that sometimes, just because somebody says something & it subsequently turns out that way, maybe doesn't mean they "knew" it with the same kind of authority as, say, we mean when we drop a rock from our hands & say with confidence... i "know" it is going to hit the ground...
if 100 people throw a 100 sided die (or whatever), and one of them guesses the number 1 & that person is the one out of 100 that has a match between number predicted & actually rolled, it would be a strange sense of the word to say they "knew" it was going to come up 1...
a FBG guy in one of my leagues (pony boy) took bell late, & he did say you never know, he might emerge... that was a smart move imo to get a guy like that late... but he never said at the time he "knew" he would be starting by first pre-game...
if literally no site in the world saw this coming & claimed it in a definitive way, hard to see how FBG could be faulted for being somewhat surprised by the developement... we may have said it "could" happen... but nobody in a site like ours claimed that he was a lock starter 1-2 months ago?
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sholditch
Footballguy
Good f'ing God.
I said they can delete this about a million times. I had no idea people were this freaking sensitive, and I thought that the many posters saying the exact same thing would maybe see this and get a quick chuckle. I for one, never said they were claiming it and never thought they were. So, for chrissakes, what do you want? An apology? Fine. I apologize for posting a thread on what lots of other people on this board had said that I didn't even see for myself. I had no idea it would create a freaking crisis. I am now going to erase my entire first post and change topic to please delete. If you want to see where people said it, try pages 3-6 of the Broncos training camp thread.
FWIW, I don't think anyone should have seen this coming. Jeezuz.
I said they can delete this about a million times. I had no idea people were this freaking sensitive, and I thought that the many posters saying the exact same thing would maybe see this and get a quick chuckle. I for one, never said they were claiming it and never thought they were. So, for chrissakes, what do you want? An apology? Fine. I apologize for posting a thread on what lots of other people on this board had said that I didn't even see for myself. I had no idea it would create a freaking crisis. I am now going to erase my entire first post and change topic to please delete. If you want to see where people said it, try pages 3-6 of the Broncos training camp thread.
FWIW, I don't think anyone should have seen this coming. Jeezuz.
Defending Champs
Footballguy
Like sand in an hour glass, that was just a matter of time...
amnesiac
beer is good
sometimes it's difficult to convey what we mean while typing.i just reread your first post, and i think i see what you were trying to say.that said, flipping out doesn't help matters.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
It is is written in stone FOREVER.
It will never be deleted.
:evillaugh:
It will never be deleted.
:evillaugh:
sholditch
Footballguy
sholditch
Footballguy
understood but neither does making someone restate the same thing 18 times in one day. all good.sometimes it's difficult to convey what we mean while typing.i just reread your first post, and i think i see what you were trying to say.that said, flipping out doesn't help matters.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
FLAMEOUT. EJECT.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
No reason to change the title to "Please Delete" this thread is fine. I guess sholditch the issue people are having is that someone on the boards said FBG was taking credit, which in turn raised you ire because of Cec and I downplaying Bell on the podcast. Had Cec or I come on the boards taking credit, I think you would have every right to take us to task; but how on Earth are we to control the way a non-staff member reads the tea leaves on the boards?
Right or wrong, Cec was the first person I heard/read from that mentioned Bell looking good in camp. Now that's a byproduct of a) Cec being at camp and b) his being directly affiliated with the team (he does radio work with them).
It's all good...I actually had a chuckle about the whole situation because I was driving to work listening to the podcast and had forgotten that we even discussed Mike Bell; then I hear me saying "he'll be lucky to make the roster" when that very same day the news broke that Bell is running with the first time.
That's the beauty of publishing or speaking your views, they are there for everyone to applaud or assail for all posterity. Hopefully I'll have had some good things to say that DO come true in the other 120 minutes of podcasting we recorded that night.
Right or wrong, Cec was the first person I heard/read from that mentioned Bell looking good in camp. Now that's a byproduct of a) Cec being at camp and b) his being directly affiliated with the team (he does radio work with them).
It's all good...I actually had a chuckle about the whole situation because I was driving to work listening to the podcast and had forgotten that we even discussed Mike Bell; then I hear me saying "he'll be lucky to make the roster" when that very same day the news broke that Bell is running with the first time.
That's the beauty of publishing or speaking your views, they are there for everyone to applaud or assail for all posterity. Hopefully I'll have had some good things to say that DO come true in the other 120 minutes of podcasting we recorded that night.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Sorry man, the aforementioned pimp wasnt in either of the posts. Get to the #120's in the Bell thread and youll see it was one disgruntled person. Nobody else seems to recall any outright claim that they had forseen the rise of Bell. And as for pages 3-6 of the Broncos' thread which i do follow reuglarly, theyre too busy pimping Tatum to have any time for Mike.
Did you even get Cecil's email on Mike?
Sorry but being a #### was cool up until middle school.
sholditch
Footballguy
It's all good. My bad for making it look that way. Post was intended for those who were saying that (see above thread, post 114) if you follow that you'll see I never said FBG was taking credit. I had read that thread a few days ago and was listening today and just thought it was kinda funny. Wasn't trying to take anyone to task. Everyone missed that boat. I just thought it was worth a chuckle and that's all.
sholditch
Footballguy
from the post I referred to:
Sorry man, the aforementioned pimp wasnt in either of the posts. Get to the #120's in the Bell thread and youll see it was one disgruntled person. Nobody else seems to recall any outright claim that they had forseen the rise of Bell. And as for pages 3-6 of the Broncos' thread which i do follow reuglarly, theyre too busy pimping Tatum to have any time for Mike.
Did you even get Cecil's email on Mike?
Sorry but being a #### was cool up until middle school.
I see now that it was one person. I thought it was more since it got discussed more. Again, sorry. I think that's enough apologies for something that in no way hurt anyone on any level. If FBG somehow think that this post damages their credibility, they are free to delete it, as I have said. Joe wanted to know where I saw it, so I posted. It was different than I had remembered. Ok, that's it, I'm removing the hook as I have been
That's cool. Thanks. I was worried we had people saying something we didn't say. No worries.Jfrom the post I referred to:
Sorry man, the aforementioned pimp wasnt in either of the posts. Get to the #120's in the Bell thread and youll see it was one disgruntled person. Nobody else seems to recall any outright claim that they had forseen the rise of Bell. And as for pages 3-6 of the Broncos' thread which i do follow reuglarly, theyre too busy pimping Tatum to have any time for Mike.
Did you even get Cecil's email on Mike?
Sorry but being a #### was cool up until middle school.I see now that it was one person. I thought it was more since it got discussed more. Again, sorry. I think that's enough apologies for something that in no way hurt anyone on any level. If FBG somehow think that this post damages their credibility, they are free to delete it, as I have said. Joe wanted to know where I saw it, so I posted. It was different than I had remembered. Ok, that's it, I'm removing the hook as I have been
