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RB Rhamondre Stevenson, NE (2 Viewers)

My point is on the fumbling front, Stevenson should be considered ahead of Harris.  Not to mention harris' fumble was in the redzone at a much more critical point of the game.

Pass blocking wise, I think it's clear Harris is ahead of Stevenson.

I also think it matters that Stevenson is a better actual runner of the football.  Eventually that will matter IMHO.


I think nobody is really that nitpicky to put him 'ahead' on a spreadsheet somewhere

I also, like i said above, think people need to temper there expectations on Stevenson.  It was the preseason.  Harris has a 4.8 ypc...that's pretty dang good.

Stevenson is only 2.0 ypc (of course i'm kidding here)

 
My point is on the fumbling front, Stevenson should be considered ahead of Harris.  Not to mention harris' fumble was in the redzone at a much more critical point of the game.

Pass blocking wise, I think it's clear Harris is ahead of Stevenson.

I also think it matters that Stevenson is a better actual runner of the football.  Eventually that will matter IMHO.
Maybe on TeamTrip Stevenson is ahead of Harris on the fumbling front. These are THE KNOWN fumbling issues I have uncovered about Stevenson. There is no summary or full stats anywhere, so . . .

- Fumbled 3 times in a high school game in big rivalry / playoff game
- Fumbled 7 times in 290 carries in junior college
- Fumbled on his first carry at Oklahoma (oddly I can't find his fumbling numbers at OU)
- Fumbled in a preseason game (I also remember a couple other times he fumbled in camp)
- Fumbled in week one on two touches

IMO, I don't think NE currently views Stevenson as a better talent / better back / in line to take away Harris' job any time soon. They love Harris. Part of the reason Harris was gassed and fumbled was the limited amount of live tackling and playing time. If Stevenson didn't get in the doghouse, they wouldn't have had to overload Harris in Week 1.

We don't really know how Stevenson will look against real defenders . . . and after last week he didn't exactly get off to a good start. In 5 snaps, he had 1 carry for 2 yards, 1 reception with a fumble, and got his QB lit up.

 
Maybe on TeamTrip Stevenson is ahead of Harris on the fumbling front. These are THE KNOWN fumbling issues I have uncovered about Stevenson. There is no summary or full stats anywhere, so . . .

- Fumbled 3 times in a high school game in big rivalry / playoff game
- Fumbled 7 times in 290 carries in junior college
- Fumbled on his first carry at Oklahoma (oddly I can't find his fumbling numbers at OU)
- Fumbled in a preseason game (I also remember a couple other times he fumbled in camp)
- Fumbled in week one on two touches

IMO, I don't think NE currently views Stevenson as a better talent / better back / in line to take away Harris' job any time soon. They love Harris. Part of the reason Harris was gassed and fumbled was the limited amount of live tackling and playing time. If Stevenson didn't get in the doghouse, they wouldn't have had to overload Harris in Week 1.

We don't really know how Stevenson will look against real defenders . . . and after last week he didn't exactly get off to a good start. In 5 snaps, he had 1 carry for 2 yards, 1 reception with a fumble, and got his QB lit up.
If NE had kept Michel, maybe they win the game. I agree that the draft capital was too good to pass up in a year NE has a rookie QB and is expected to go about 9-8.

 
We don't really know how Stevenson will look against real defenders . . . and after last week he didn't exactly get off to a good start. In 5 snaps, he had 1 carry for 2 yards, 1 reception with a fumble, and got his QB lit up.


Critical, real fumble from Harris wasn't ideal either.  

I don't think there is any question that the Pats staff will heavily favor the veteran that can pass block.  I guess I'm arguing that the gap between Stevenson and Harris may not be as big by mid-year as it is perceived to be now.  

 
If NE had kept Michel, maybe they win the game. I agree that the draft capital was too good to pass up in a year NE has a rookie QB and is expected to go about 9-8.
There were about 47 ways they could and should have won that game. Lots of people did just enough wrong for them to lose. Before the season started, a lot of people were projected them for 10 or 11 wins. That could still happen, but they have to clean up the stupid mistakes (and take the training wheels off Jones).

 
Critical, real fumble from Harris wasn't ideal either.  

I don't think there is any question that the Pats staff will heavily favor the veteran that can pass block.  I guess I'm arguing that the gap between Stevenson and Harris may not be as big by mid-year as it is perceived to be now.  
Again, not to belabor the point, but BB doesn't like playing rookies period. They would have to have a guy that is sooooo much better than the other options for him to give a rookie a big role. I don't think Bill is going to view Stevenson as a big upgrade to Harris. Things could change if Harris got hurt, but we aren't in that situation yet.

 
Again, not to belabor the point, but BB doesn't like playing rookies period. They would have to have a guy that is sooooo much better than the other options for him to give a rookie a big role. I don't think Bill is going to view Stevenson as a big upgrade to Harris. Things could change if Harris got hurt, but we aren't in that situation yet.


Agree he is anti-rookie...for now.   I think shipping off Michel shows some sign of confidence in Stevenson though.

 
I think there is a decent chance they deactivate Stevenson against the Jets to rub his nose in it. That's a BB thing to do.
He may rub both noses in it. I think he is the most anal coach when it comes to fumbling. He doesn’t like that at all. He will punish both. Wish I was a fly on the wall to see what he is putting them both through. At the end of the day, we lost due to turnovers and that won’t go unpunished in his mind. 

 
Because of the "fumble" that wasn't a "fumble"...unlike Harris' real fumble?
Your focus is too narrow. Harris has put in his time and this is his third season. He earned his stripes. Stevenson hasn't earned anything yet. Stevenson has had some issues since he got there, starting with being out of shape and failing his physical and having to start camp on the training camp PUP list. And his fumblitis has been a known issue that keeps popping up.

 
Your focus is too narrow. Harris has put in his time and this is his third season. He earned his stripes. Stevenson hasn't earned anything yet. Stevenson has had some issues since he got there, starting with being out of shape and failing his physical and having to start camp on the training camp PUP list. And his fumblitis has been a known issue that keeps popping up.
Plus harris has performed really well.  4.8 ypc and only 1 fumble last year.  He is a great blocker too

 
JJ Taylor worth a pickup or is it gonna be 100% Damien?
It wasn't supposed to be 100% Harris last week but Stevenson got himself in the dog house and got benched. Harris was gassed by the end of the game and asked to come out of the game a couple of times. I doubt he will see the work load he got last week to keep him fresher. If you are stuck with Jacobs and are desperate and need a body, sure Taylor will get more than 0 points. But Week 2 I doubt many teams are in that situation.

 
It wasn't supposed to be 100% Harris last week but Stevenson got himself in the dog house and got benched. Harris was gassed by the end of the game and asked to come out of the game a couple of times. I doubt he will see the work load he got last week to keep him fresher. If you are stuck with Jacobs and are desperate and need a body, sure Taylor will get more than 0 points. But Week 2 I doubt many teams are in that situation.
Appreciate the info. I heard Damien was gonna be in the doghouse due to his game losing fumble….. hoping to possibly find a diamond in the rough or a step ahead on a week 2 waiver wire grab. Sounds like JJ might not be it. 

 
Appreciate the info. I heard Damien was gonna be in the doghouse due to his game losing fumble….. hoping to possibly find a diamond in the rough or a step ahead on a week 2 waiver wire grab. Sounds like JJ might not be it. 
I can never tell what was posted and discussed where. There are NE threads and NE RB threads. Anyway, the Patriots don't have the resources to bench their lead back for guys with no experience. Harris will likely get a mulligan on the fumble from last week. As indicated, they will reduce his workload a little, but that's about it. Generally speaking, I think the plan is to get Harris 15-16 touches each week depending upon game script. He got about 10 extra touches with Stephenson in the dog house. I would guess that RB2 role will get 8-10 touches a game with White in the game for passing situations.

 
had him pegged as at least someone who could have some upside this season, but is he even worth the stash at this point?

 
had him pegged as at least someone who could have some upside this season, but is he even worth the stash at this point?


I'm rostering Stevenson in all leagues with roster availability, would be very aggressively trading for him in dynasty in situations where you can buy low...can probably wait longer to get a lower price.

  1. Harris isn't proven and already has a bad fumble that cost the team.(worse than Stevens')
  2. He's the best rusher on the team.







 
had him pegged as at least someone who could have some upside this season, but is he even worth the stash at this point?
Stevenson will always be limited as long as he plays for NE and BB is the head coach. Will never be a bell cow and will split the workload with several other backs. His value this year is based solely on the health of Harris. I don’t believe there is any way Stevenson is going to do so well that he replaces Harris. As mapped out earlier, way more goes into playing RB than just being the best runner. 

 
Free Rhamondre.   BB and this RB seemed like an odd pairing at the time of the draft.    Hoping he gets back in this week.  Otherwise, surely by the time the Patriots are eliminated, right?

 
Amazing how happy the coaches get when they've lost several RBs and the RBs remaining lack big play ability.

Stevenson's time is coming sooner rather than later and there is a non-zero chance he'll never leave the starting lineup again...he's that much better than the other RBs on the roster at running the football.
He’s also the weakest at pass protection, fumbling, strength and conditioning, and situational football. With Jones getting lit up on almost every play, Stevenson will struggle to see a lot of snaps. Until he gets proficient at those, he will see a small workload. 

 
He’s also the weakest at pass protection, fumbling, strength and conditioning, and situational football. With Jones getting lit up on almost every play, Stevenson will struggle to see a lot of snaps. Until he gets proficient at those, he will see a small workload. 
I don't disagree with anything you're saying; in fact, I regard you as a subject matter expert on the Patriots RB situation.  As bye weeks approach and rosters thin out, maybe Stevenson has some value as a goal-line back (what the heck, right?).  As a dynasty owner of Stevenson, I think that all the deficiencies you listed are coachable and correctable.

 
I don't disagree with anything you're saying; in fact, I regard you as a subject matter expert on the Patriots RB situation.  As bye weeks approach and rosters thin out, maybe Stevenson has some value as a goal-line back (what the heck, right?).  As a dynasty owner of Stevenson, I think that all the deficiencies you listed are coachable and correctable.
Stevenson certainly has more of a chance to earn a role and I would suggest people speculate and add him if he is available. But I think he’s a long way from earning the starting job and not looking back. NE’s got issues right now, first and foremost with their OL. 

 

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