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Judkins is 21 drafted 36th overall to a team with a weak rb room.
being that he's that old I'm figuring Payton is going to pound him into the ground. Being that he is already 3 yrs older than most rookies I gotta picture most Rookie Drafts will put him in the late 1st which is crazy if you have a good team... your getting a RB starter right out of the gate!!
Irrelevant for fantasy purposes. Teams draft RB's for their rookie contract value and are out on them after that anyway unless they become a special talent. He's plenty young to get ground into dust for 4 years on a minimum money contract.
All depends on how you build your team. I generally do not draft rookies based on what I expect of them year one. i.e. the reason I am highly confident I won't have Harvey on any teams is I prefer Luther regardless of format and based on early readings that's a left turn from consensus.
Even if Harvey is older chronologically he doesn't have the RB wear and tear of the others. He was a QB throughout high school and the first year of college.
And this is reminding me a lot of Kamara situation. All in on Harvey. Denver has an excellent OL too.
Javonte missed a ton of holes last year due to lack of vision, which is where Harvey excels.
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That's the same age as RJ's breakout season. Treyveon's? 18.
No one's doubting Henderson, we're just refuting the assertion that Harvey's too old to be a fantasy asset.
Never said he wasn't
He should be able to draw social security this time next year LOL
I would take Golden over Harvey, but to me that's where the line gets fuzzy.
There are some good observations in here. I believe the Broncos did have Henderson rated (slightly) higher than Harvey but not a first round talent based on this statement from GM Paton immediately afterward:
To that point; heard this morning they ranked near the top of RB yards before contact, and near the bottom of RB yards after contact. Put those two together and you see where the problem lies haha. Harvey was definitely excellent there too; 2024 - 1577 rushing yards, 897 of those were after contact. I think he could be an Austin Ekeler type for them for sure.
Payton has his Kamara
This is true, but I am not going to hold it against RJ when he was a QB and then upon converting, tore his ACL.
That's where I'll circle back to tempering expectations haha. But I know what you actually mean here.
I don't disagree.
But are you taking him over any of those 6 RB's? Scroll up, that's where this conversation started. 3 days ago he was one I had circled & highlighted on my pre-draft working doc. Now? Feels like the market may be over-correcting.
Hopefully this is the case, but IMO Estime isn't being kicked to the curb just yet
Sure, estime will have a role. I made the Kamara comparison because he was a fantasy star despite relative low carries. A lot of action in the passing game and had plenty of red zone opportunities. See the same role for Harvey.
This morning, I encountered a tough decision in my 1 QB Dynasty PPR league at the 1.10 pick. I debated back and forth between Golden and Harvey, ultimately choosing Harvey due to my need for a running back. However, it wasn't an easy choice to select a 24-year-old RB over a 22-year-old WR who was a first-round draft pick.
Estime was terrible last year IMO. Yes he will likely improve but this is Harvey's backfield to lose. I think McLoughlin spells him as much or more than Estime.
good info, but Harvey was selected at the end of the 2nd, would think that has to factor into the calculation
Agreed.
Can you tell us how the first 10 picks went in order?
I'm not sure yet. I could see taking him over Judkins and Johnson but could also see taking him after them. Jeanty, Omarion, and Henderson are all locked in ahead of him in my notebook.
I will probably have the same choice to make next month in one league but I am weak at WR. It will be a tough choice.
I think it does mean something that the Jags were looking to draft him within ~15 picks of where the Broncos took him.
Not always.
If you are right on this it won't be a big deal but if not I think he's going to a huge disappointment. I sure don't want to rely on non-passing production from a Payton RB.
Payton said he has soft hands and is going to do well in the pass game. He can move around and is likely what HC wanted in a "joker"
For context, I picked him in one of my three drafts. My scrutiny was merely related to value. He represented it in this league.
Sure and maybe so but I'm pretty sure he said the thought Dulchich and Jaleel could be his "joker" as well.
Don't be a tool, I'm trying to have a conversation about a legit concern.
I think Harvey has a bit more talent than Dulchich or McGloughlin.
