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RB Royce Freeman, LAR (2 Viewers)

2nd straight week as the highest YPC back for the Broncos plus he added a few receptions this week.  Maybe they wake up and start running the ball more after a dismal loss against the Jets.

 
Don't Noonan said:
2nd straight week as the highest YPC back for the Broncos plus he added a few receptions this week.  Maybe they wake up and start running the ball more after a dismal loss against the Jets.
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He had a total of 7 rushing yards from all his carries prior to one 24 yard rush when the Jets were defending the catch up passing.

Won’t be trusting him any time soon.

 
Kree said:
He had a total of 7 rushing yards from all his carries prior to one 24 yard rush when the Jets were defending the catch up passing.

Won’t be trusting him any time soon.
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And Lindsay had 11 carries for 32 yards after his 29 yard run. Point?

 
JuniorNB said:
And Lindsay had 11 carries for 32 yards after his 29 yard run. Point?
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I was referring to the suggestion that Royce actually ran well as evident by his YPC, which we both know is just a fallacious argument.

Lindsay ran better today but it doesn’t really mean anything when neither is producing at an acceptable level from a fantasy perspective.

 
Kree said:
He had a total of 7 rushing yards from all his carries prior to one 24 yard rush when the Jets were defending the catch up passing.

Won’t be trusting him any time soon.
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There is a stat that shows Freeman faces the most 8 man fronts by far on his rushes so don't cherry pick one run.

 
It doesn't really matter--this team is toast and pretty much quitting on the current coaches. The offense is so vanilla and predicable that I would be hesitant to start Freeman any week (I did this week BTW). This team will be lucky to be 5-11 this year. 

I always had a rule in FF that I never started a Defense against my Broncos, but you better believe I will have the Rams in there next week. It is going to be ugly and Wade will be looking to make a statement. I just don't see either back having a good game. 

 
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The Dude said:
I take back my statement - he is 1.  But only on 24 rushing attempts lots of people with more carries have seen 8 with the similar number of carries.  Would also be good to know how many of these came late in games.  I don;t think anyone sees Freeman in and says lets stack the box cause he's awesome.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#percent-eight-defenders
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I don't think it's that. I think it's more like "It's not Lindsay and not Booker. So it's most likely a run."

 
Freeman instantly becomes a RB1 if Lindsay gets hurt, but as long as they're sharing time, both are merely flex options. And hit or miss ones at that. 

 
So the coach speak this last week was "Freeman will get more carries and Hyde will get fewer (to give more to Chubb)." Both lies.

When the heck is Bell coming back because I need a RB BAD!?

 
Don't Noonan said:
2nd straight week as the highest YPC back for the Broncos plus he added a few receptions this week.  Maybe they wake up and start running the ball more after a dismal loss against the Jets.
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Who or what is going to wake them up?  It certainly won't be Vance Joseph.  That clown is a joke of a coach.  Why Elway gave him another year I will never know. 

And I doubt the Rams and Phillips are going to be some wake up call.  They won't be running on them and will have to abandon it by half regardless.  Likely another mauling coming up. 

The Broncos need an overhaul and quick, the D isn't getting younger.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Why? They use Lindsay in the identical way they use Freeman. They don't really pass to either.
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Well Lindsay averages 5 targets a game to Freeman's 2. Freeman also averages more carries per game than Lindsay. If I'm the defense and I see Freeman in the game, more than likely thinking run. Thats probably why he sees the most 8 man fronts.

 
What are people thinking about Freeman long(er) term? 

Does he have the talent to separate from Lindsay/Booker or is he just another committee back?

 
FF Ninja said:
Great guy to try to buy low.

Yes, but that'll be up for the next coach to decide. I'm not sure Vance survives the year. He's about to be 2-4 on what was supposed to be a win now team.
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Yeah, Vance is gone after this year. It can only get better for Freeman. 

 
FF Ninja said:
Great guy to try to buy low.

Yes, but that'll be up for the next coach to decide. I'm not sure Vance survives the year. He's about to be 2-4 on what was supposed to be a win now team.
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I agree.     Great buy low candidate, especially for keeper/dynasty leagues. 

One would think that Freeman would have been fed in the Chiefs' game when they were up by 10 in the 4th quarter and he was running so well.  But evidently Vance Joseph is a proud graduate of the Andy Reid School of Clock Management and didn't utilize Royce.   Then he promises to get more touches for Freeman going into the Jets' game and he gets 8 total touches.   

The next coach will certainly do so.  

 
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dcgangstas said:
I agree.     Great buy low candidate, especially for keeper/dynasty leagues. 

One would think that Freeman would have been fed in the Chiefs' game when they were up by 10 in the 4th quarter and he was running so well.  But evidently Vance Joseph is a proud graduate of the Andy Reid School of Clock Management and didn't utilize Royce.   Then he promises to get more touches for Freeman going into the Jets' game and he gets 8 total touches.   

The next coach will certainly do so.  
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Let see, Royce running well, up on the arch rival, bench the RB, lose the game. Then they get spanked by the Jets without using Freeman hardly at all. How does this guy get through his post mortem meeting with Elway every week?

 
I really do think Lindsay is fools gold and the great buy here is Freeman. Especially with a potential new coach coming in the future. 

 
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I’m willing to play the long game here

Per #NextGenStats, Royce Freeman sees an 8-man box more than any other RB in the NFL at 51.02% (Alex Collins is next at 43.86%). Royce is 8th in avg with 5.1 yards (minimum 30 attempts). Phillip Lindsay sees an 8-man box 22.81% of the time and leads rookies with 5.8 avg. #Broncos
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Defenses are not respecting the play calling or Keenum, and Freeman is taking the hit despite a solid performance under the circumstances.  I can’t see either the coach or QB being there next year if this keeps up.  With Denver’s WR talent, I’m holding/buying in dynasty/keeper and looking for an improved situation.

 
Dr. Dan said:
I really do think Lindsay is fools gold and the great buy here is Freeman. Especially with a potential new coach coming in the future. 
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You keep using that word..........

He's not fool's gold - he's a low end RB2 for redraft right now that will probably dominate in pass catching if Freeman takes over and still have value. 

Probably the best you can get from Freeman is RB2

I know we all take the X number of plays we see and assuming something should change.  But the coaches are seeing something in practice and in games that makes them prefer Lindsay.

A new coach would likely be next year.  I would imagine the OC would take over this year and there's no reason to expect significant change.

 
The Dude said:
You keep using that word..........

He's not fool's gold - he's a low end RB2 for redraft right now that will probably dominate in pass catching if Freeman takes over and still have value. 

Probably the best you can get from Freeman is RB2

I know we all take the X number of plays we see and assuming something should change.  But the coaches are seeing something in practice and in games that makes them prefer Lindsay.

A new coach would likely be next year.  I would imagine the OC would take over this year and there's no reason to expect significant change.
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I think that's the first or second time I've said that. I started the Lindsay thread and hyped him up quite a bit. I was looking at him before you even knew who he was. 

I'm not talking redraft, I'm talking dynasty. I said there is likely a new coach coming in the future. Which I know future could be tomorrow or next year, maybe I should have been more clear, but Freeman is a huge buy in dynasty and I think Lindsay may be a significant sell high in dynasty. When you have a player who is dependant on a pass catching role (which I think eventually Lindsay will be relegated to that), then that player is very coach/OC dependant for value, as not every coach wants to 1- telegraph plays with specific backs, and 2- use a back for receiving purposes only

 
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Dr. Dan said:
I think that's the first or second time I've said that. I started the Lindsay thread and hyped him up quite a bit. I was looking at him before you even knew who he was. 

I'm not talking redraft, I'm talking dynasty. I said there is likely a new coach coming in the future. Which I know future could be tomorrow or next year, maybe I should have been more clear, but Freeman is a huge buy in dynasty and I think Lindsay may be a significant sell high in dynasty. When you have a player who is dependant on a pass catching role (which I think eventually Lindsay will be relegated to that), then that player is very coach/OC dependant for value, as not every coach wants to 1- telegraph plays with specific backs, and 2- use a back for receiving purposes only
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Well the good news for Lindsay owners then is that Freeman seems to be the one that telegraphs what the team is going to do - you know since everyone keeps bringing up how he faces more stacked boxes than any other RB.

Lindsay has been more effective running the ball and catching the ball.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Well the good news for Lindsay owners then is that Freeman seems to be the one that telegraphs what the team is going to do - you know since everyone keeps bringing up how he faces more stacked boxes than any other RB.

Lindsay has been more effective running the ball and catching the ball.
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Yep. It's an interesting scenario for sure. Lindsay has looked like the better feature back than Freeman. 

I don't see that lasting, but it's what's occurred for the first 5 games, for sure. 

 
I was just kidding with the Princess Bride quote

I think in redraft It's likely LIndsay for the duration.  Dynasty, I could see Freeman as the buy - but it's also likely someone else comes along and takes the job from both

 
I picked up Freeman last week in a short bench league, but will be dropping this week.  I made a 2 for 1 deal and don't have the room.  Is this destined to be a split like GB?  Does Booker get any snaps?

 
Gottabesweet said:
I picked up Freeman last week in a short bench league, but will be dropping this week.  I made a 2 for 1 deal and don't have the room.  Is this destined to be a split like GB?  Does Booker get any snaps?
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Booker gets snaps because VJ is an idiot. Booker shouldn't even be on the team..

The offense cant support both of them like NO can support Kamara and Ingram, or like Pitt will support Bell/Conner.

 
Lindsay has been the better overall back of the two. I don't understand why people assume Freeman is a buy low in dynasty when everything so far has shown Lindsay to be more versatile. 

 
reggio1 said:
Lindsay has been the better overall back of the two. I don't understand why people assume Freeman is a buy low in dynasty when everything so far has shown Lindsay to be more versatile. 
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I'd like to believe that too, but Lindsay is not being leveraged that much in the passing game -- far from the clear-cut choice in terms of passing down back (that seems to be Booker); he's also struggled in the pass pro department (again, the reason why Booker is still trotted out there).

I do agree that his skill-set is more diverse than Freeman, who looks to be a sound N/S power runner who can also bring some speed to the sidelines and around the corner. Lindsay is clearly more electric, and has shown he can be trusted in short yardage/red zone looks.

But I don't think it's clear he's the better back just yet, and he's not so versatile as to relegate Booker to the bench.

I do think that both Freeman and Lindsay are talented and have a role in this offense together. 

 
Lindsay is a Darren Sproles, Tarik Cohen type. He could have a very nice career just as Sproles did, but he's much too small to be an every-down back. He will always be a change-of-pace type. If they want him to last more than three seasons that is.  Freeman will eventually become the main back. He is a monster back and he has great hands to boot. Looks like they'll be sharing time this season, but for dynasty, Freeman every day of the week over Lindsay

 
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