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RB Saquon Barkley, PHI (4 Viewers)

JohnnyU said:
So who do you think will be your draft options that make it worth it?  No way I do that trade.  I prefer quality over quantity.
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Totally understand, but I love 3 players this year and like AR to rebound, so I’d take the risk. Last year I did something similar, moving the 1.1 and the 4.1 for the 1.4, 1.11 and 2.4 and turned that into Dalvin Cook, Kamara and D Watson, so i feel pretty good about that one. As long as I know someone I really like will be around at 1.3 I’m willing to trust my drafting instincts (which don’t always work lol).

 
I am the other end of this deal.  This team was getting older and I reengineered this year.  I had no stud RB so I made the deal from one of my strength positions.  It was about building my core.  OBJ, Nuk, Saquon, and Evan Engram are the core guys on the team.  It is a risk to give up that much but I wanted to have a build piece at RB...

 
Guy that owns 1.1 in one of my leagues is asking for this

Garoppolo, Kareem Hunt, Josh Gordon, 1.6, 2.6

Yep....

 
Jello_Biafra said:
Yes but Zeke is on Dallas and will continue to produce at a high level. Situation matters. I'm as high on Barkley as anyone, but if he goes to a situation like Mixon did, I can't say I won't be disappointed. 
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Zeke is an afterthought in the passing game while Barkley is one of the best receiving backs to come out in years 

 
Raback said:
Zeke is an afterthought in the passing game while Barkley is one of the best receiving backs to come out in years 
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Zeke caught 26 balls in 10 games this season, he's not an afterthought. He's no L Bell but he gets targets. 

 
foxco said:
Zeke caught 26 balls in 10 games this season, he's not an afterthought. He's no L Bell but he gets targets. 
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Last year he ran more routes than AJ Green. I haven’t finished my numbers yet for this year but before the suspension he was on a fairly decent pace. It’s just a matter of time before the targets come. They planned on targeting him more this year but things happen so it didn’t work out the way they planned.

Tex

 
BigTex said:
Last year he ran more routes than AJ Green. I haven’t finished my numbers yet for this year but before the suspension he was on a fairly decent pace. It’s just a matter of time before the targets come. They planned on targeting him more this year but things happen so it didn’t work out the way they planned.

Tex
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Zeke ran more routes then AJ...I don't believe that, literally AJs job is to run routes

 
Bfrahm3 said:
Zeke ran more routes then AJ...I don't believe that, literally AJs job is to run routes
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Yes, in 2016 he ran more routes. Lol, seems crazy but it’s true. I keep those stats, it’s just a matter of time before they start throwing the ball to him.

Tex

 
Bfrahm3 said:
That is true, didn't think of it like that, I guess a little cherry picking from the other poster then
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It’s not cherry picking at all. I don’t cherry pick stats I just have them. Do you know how many routes Zeke actually ran?????

Tex

 
Hankmoody said:
As if that has one iota of relevance to my post.  I see your comprehension is as dull as ever.
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You're the one who compared a running back who wasn't even the best on his team to one who is said to be the best pro prospect in a decade. So 'dull' is definitely a good word. Lol

 
JuniorNB said:
You're the one who compared a running back who wasn't even the best on his team to one who is said to be the best pro prospect in a decade. So 'dull' is definitely a good word. Lol
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Especially when I put if after "your comprehension".  But this is par for the course and I don't know why I even reply to you so I'll leave you to your ... what do they call it, bliss?

 
BigTex said:
It’s not cherry picking at all. I don’t cherry pick stats I just have them. Do you know how many routes Zeke actually ran?????

Tex
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What are the stats because I don't not have them. You hand picked AJG, who was hurt at the end of last year and didn't play so yeah know that I remember that I could see zeke having more routes run because green missed out on probably 150 or so routes while hurt

 
ESPN's Todd McShay now lists Penn State RB Saquon Barkley as the top player on his board.

His previous top player -- UCLA QB Josh Rosen -- moves down to the third spot, with USC QB Sam Darnold moving to second. McShay notes that Barkley has a "distinctive combination of size, agility and power." He also mentions that he's a competent pass-blocker who is good as a receiver, making him a three-down back. "Making it an even easier evaluation is the fact that Barkley is a driven competitor with very good leadership skills and no off-the-field issues," McShay writes. "This guy is clean and complete as they come."

Source: ESPN 

Jan 22 - 5:49 PM
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Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 prospects for 2018 NFL Draft

Excerpt:

Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State

Rank: #1

Barkley is one of the most dynamic running backs to enter the NFL in the last decade. He's built like a brick house, with an extremely thick/muscular lower body. On inside runs, he's quick to press the line of scrimmage before stopping, sorting and then exploding through the hole. When he decides to bounce the ball outside, Barkley has an incredible lateral burst. He's at his best on stretch runs. When he puts his foot in the ground and drives upfield, his suddenness is exceptional. He rarely drops his shoulder on contact, but his lower-body strength allows him to power through tacklers, and he also possesses a violent stiff arm. He has elite home-run speed and can make defenders miss at the second and third level without gearing down. Barkley's a versatile weapon in the passing game, capable of splitting out wide and running receiver routes with ease. He has natural hands. He's also reliable in pass protection, displaying both awareness and willingness. Overall, Barkley is capable of becoming the best player at his position very early in his NFL career.
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Gil Brandt on Twitter in response to Daniel Jeremiah listing Barkley as the #1 overall 2018 NFL Draft prospect:

@Gil_Brandt

I don’t know how you pass on the RB from Penn State in this draft. The clear No. 1 guy.
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What if they sign Alex Smith, Barkley at 1 and QB at 4? I think that's what I would try to do if I really thought Barkley was a generational talent. 

 
Is there any reason to NOT take Barkley @ 1.01 for anyone? I'm talking fantasy drafts, not real football.

 
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Magic_Man said:
Is there any reason to NOT take Barkley @ 1.01 for anyone? I'm talking fantasy drafts, not real football.
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If you have Bell, Gurley, DJ, and two other top 10 RBs in a start 1 RB league, and someone offered you OBJ for the pick, I think I would take it, but would still try and send someone else from that stable of RBs before accepting

 
Andy Dufresne said:
If you watch a highlight film, one does get a sense of Barry Sanders. He's part Sanders part Portis.
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I only have one game done for Barley so far, against Rutgers.

Barkley does have very good change of direction ability, he has loose hips and he is very elusive. I recorded 9 plays where he demonstrated good elusiveness in this game. Previous high was 6 times in a game, once by Chubb and once by Michel.

I don't think that Fournette ever matched up to the Bo Jackson comparison nor would I expect Barkley to live up to this Barry Sanders comparison.

I respect Lances work and I can even see why he might go there with Barkley, its just a bit over the top for me. I don't really expect to see another Barry Sanders in my lifetime.

 
Zierliens 7.5 grade for Barley is higher than any other grade for a player I can find done by him.

Elliot was graded 7.09

I have 2014 and 2015 grades and Sammy Watkins is the highest graded player by Lance in those seasons with 7.3

 
The characteristic I think he shares with Sanders is his creativity in running the ball.  To a lesser extent his change of direction ability.

But nobody compares to Sanders' start-stop, "jackrabbiting".

 
Andy Dufresne said:
The characteristic I think he shares with Sanders is his creativity in running the ball.  To a lesser extent his change of direction ability.

But nobody compares to Sanders' start-stop, "jackrabbiting".
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I agree. Sanders was unreal. I do think Barkley is faster, top speed and he’s obviously a bigger guy by 25 pounds or so. I can see the comp though. There is more shiftiness than power to his game. First thing I thought of a while ago when I saw this run was Barry.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e6eU61Y-UA0

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
The characteristic I think he shares with Sanders is his creativity in running the ball.  To a lesser extent his change of direction ability.

But nobody compares to Sanders' start-stop, "jackrabbiting".
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I just watched Barkleys game against Michigan.

While he has one really good run in this game, there are quite a few others where he doesn't exactly remind me of Barry Sanders.

For my charting he only had 2 positive plays where elusiveness was effectively demonstrated. His balance and control were off in this game as well. He did do some very good things, especially as a blocker in this game that help out his overall score. I had to add a new trait for throwing the ball as Barkley completes a pass pretty well on a trick play. He jumps as he is delivering the ball, but otherwise a pretty good throw.

He does a really nice job on a circle route that the QB actually gets the ball to him on. He doesn't run the ball particularly well in this game and I maybe should have given him more negative marks for failed plays, but some of these he is bracketed by two defenders in the backfield and really not much he or any RB could do under such circumstances. Getting back to the LOS is a win in these situations.

That said if anyone could make something out of nothing, its Barry.

 
Interestingly  With 1114 total yards lost during his 10-year career, Barry Sanders is the NFL's all-time leader in negative yardage (according to the 2008 article I found).

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Interestingly  With 1114 total yards lost during his 10-year career, Barry Sanders is the NFL's all-time leader in negative yardage (according to the 2008 article I found).
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Yeah no doubt. He would reverse field a lot.

I tend to forget the bad plays I think with Sanders. So many great plays to remember.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Interestingly  With 1114 total yards lost during his 10-year career, Barry Sanders is the NFL's all-time leader in negative yardage (according to the 2008 article I found).
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That as always the claim people would make when criticizing Sanders. "Take away his big runs and he only averages 2 yards per carry". Well the 'big runs' seemed to happen more frequently than anyone else's big runs. That's what made him so great. 

Penn State had excellent skill position players. McSorely was a playmaker, Barkley was as talented of a back that the NCAA has seen. Tight End Mike Giseki may be the best at his position in the country. But there were lots of games where the O-line was dominated. Barkley was often swarmed before ever reaching the line of scrimmage. So be careful when looking at particular games and judging him by a low yards per carry. It's very misleading. And pro scouts and draft experts understand that. 

 
Just watched the game against Ohio State. 

Tons of blown up runs in this game. One thing that really stands out is how good of a blocker Barley is in these tough games.

There really isn't much variety in run play calls, mostly just running the draw out of the shotgun with him.

 
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