Just wait a week. He will likely go something like 12 for 85 and 1 or 2 next week.Sell low and count your blessings.
Just wait a week. He will likely go something like 12 for 85 and 1 or 2 next week.Sell low and count your blessings.
Or he could be in Belichick’s doghouse and they use Burkhead more and/or activate Harris to spark the running game.Just wait a week. He will likely go something like 12 for 85 and 1 or 2 next week.
I popped in here hoping for guys to talk me off the ledge, but this is exactly what I saw as well.He was in some sort of funk tonight. I paid attention to him closer in the second half, but the game film will not be kind to him. He had at least 3 runs in the 4th quarter where he went down with minimal contact. I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't play much next week either.
The other backs were averaging 5 or 6 ypc. Sony was at 0.9 on 15 carries.
Not sure I am buying or reading into much about last night late in the game. They were up by 30 points. He probably shouldn't have been in there much by that point (and we saw a lot of Burkhead). Having had suffered some knee injuries in the past, he may have just been trying to not get hurt. It was different for Rex . . . he's trying to carve out a bigger role. We know they liked Michel enough to deactivate Harris. Plus Cannon got dinged late, they were playing with Karras at center for the first time this year, Wynn was playing his first game as a pro . . . and it looked to me like the run blocking wasn't all that great (especially not playing a TE most of the game). One game does not make a trend. Let's give it a few more games.I popped in here hoping for guys to talk me off the ledge, but this is exactly what I saw as well.
In a 3-back rotation he sure looked like the least decisive and explosive. He even started dancing a bit on a couple carries in the 4th QTR. If I saw it, BB saw it, and as we all know... it doesn't take much to go from hero to zero in BB's offense.
He needs to run crazy on the Phins next week to reassert himself IMO.
I'm with you, and I know it's only week 1, but lets not kid ourselves... there were some flags last night.Not sure I am buying or reading into much about last night late in the game. They were up by 30 points. He probably shouldn't have been in there much by that point (and we saw a lot of Burkhead). Having had suffered some knee injuries in the past, he may have just been trying to not get hurt. It was different for Rex . . . he's trying to carve out a bigger role. We know they liked Michel enough to deactivate Harris. Plus Cannon got dinged late, they were playing with Karras at center for the first time this year, Wynn was playing his first game as a pro . . . and it looked to me like the run blocking wasn't all that great (especially not playing a TE most of the game). One game does not make a trend. Let's give it a few more games.
Yeah... feels like there should have been some lanes like that last night with Brady chucking it all over the field.Michel will be fine. The running lanes are going to be amazing once defenses have to account for Edelman, Gordon, and Brown.
No team completely schemes and games plans differently from opponent to opponent like NE does. They aren't stupid . . . they knew PIT would stuff the run. But they kept calling run plays to set up the play action that the Steelers have proven they can't cover. I think you may be looking at it wrong. BB could be telling the team Michel did them a solid and took some shots for the team to open up the passing game and they won going away.I'm with you, and I know it's only week 1, but lets not kid ourselves... there were some flags last night.
A lot of truths hidden in what you wrote - Burkhead running like a guy that wants a bigger role... Michel running like a guy trying not to get hurt.
Not to mention the "Michel to be more involved in the passing game" talk of preseason. I didn't expect him to kick White to the curb, but a few targets would have been nice.
I disagree (see above), but different strokes for different folks. BB could have lit a fire under Rex and said show me something or your roster spot will be going to Antonio Brown. Would that have been a motivator? Rex is relatively expensive and they are up against the cap.Pats were up from the jump.
If there ever was a game-flow that you’d think would be the most Sony Michele-friendly opportunity for production, it was this one.
Up early, grind out the clock, bang it between the tackles....that seems like what Michele owners were envisioning headed into the season.
Instead I saw more carries out of James White, and I believe I even saw Edelman carry the rock once?
I mean, I get the “keep him healthy up 30” thought process, but we’re talking about a game where Brady was throwing over the middle to Edelman while up 30, so it’s hard to see that being the Pats mentality considering.
to me this just feels like what we’ve seen of the Pats since Corey Dillon left - Bellichick don’t give AF about your fantasy teams. If you think you know the right NE RB to draft, you’ll be wrong every time.
The only successful NEP RB I’ve had was White, and I got him with a 12th round pick as a depth play last year.
Maybe i’m off, and I’m 100% sure Sony will have a big game here or there, but there’s literally no better game script for Michele than what we saw last night and yet the Pats didn’t use him.
Meanwhile sexy rexy did more than enough to cement a larger role moving forward. I remember trading for Rex prior to last season when there were rumblings about his challenging for the RB1 job...then he got hurt & poof!
If I were a Michele owner I’d be very concerned about his usage moving forward.
Time will tell. This sounds a bit wishful.I disagree (see above), but different strokes for different folks. BB could have lit a fire under Rex and said show me something or your roster spot will be going to Antonio Brown. Would that have been a motivator? Rex is relatively expensive and they are up against the cap.
It's no secret the Steelers are great at stuffing the run and not so great at defending the pass. This isn't news. White and Burkhead were in the game together and thus became a match up nightmare for PIT. Michel was in the game with no TE. There are any number of reasons why Michel had a bad game fantasy wise. That doesn't necessarily mean he had a bad game in BB's eyes.
There is no questioning that NE is one dimensional when Michel is in there with regard to what he will do. He's not going to catch the ball (at least they haven't done that much). I don't think Rex cemented a role moving forward. I think Rex cemented a role if they are up by 30 moving forward. BB is not going to burn his players out in September. Anyone expecting huge carry total for Michel at this stage needed a reality check.
Lost in all of this was the fact that NE scored from distance. They didn't have goal line looks. No TD chances for Michel. It's a long season. Wait until they start spreading teams out at the two yard line and Michel walks into the end zone. It was one game . . . people should not be jumping off the cliff.
I mean, the way they played last night yes, it was.Burkhead had 8 carries. Is that really carrying the load? This is his third season . .
I agree with the first part. The bolded part seems like speculation & i’m not sure how accurate it is.Has NE ever used Burkhead as a heavy workload back? With no Gronk and no healthy TE on the roster, it was predictable that the RBs were going to see a lot of targets. Just like Michel was never going to see 25 carries early in the season. Michel's value is TD dependent and later in the fantasy playoff season when they ramp up the running game.
I’m not confused by it, I just think it’s a cluster. I avoided NE RBs for that reason.I am not sure why people get so confused over the NE backfield. There is usually an early down RB (Michel) and a pass catching back (White). They usually have another guy to spell them that will come in for a series (Burkhead). Now they have Harris as a luxury in case someone gets hurt. And in NE, someone ALWAYS gets hurt.
Of course. But again, Michele was thought of as the back at the stripe for the Pats, and that’s why he was a 4th or 5th round pick. So if he does get vultured by Burkhead, his perceived value will only sink further.There is always a chance that someone could vulture a TD . . . even if that's a FB. Just how things go sometimes.
NE has done the same thing, year after year, yet people get flumoxed by what they do for some reason. NE usually has their main tailback start the game and get a few drives in. They will sub out their receiving back where needed. At some point, they usually have a secondary back go in for an entire drive to give the other two guys a break. If the drive is successful, that back could see a lot of touches. If the drive stalls say in a three and out, we might not even notice that other back was in there. I suspect that's what we saw with Burkhead. Put another way, I don't Burkhead suddenly grabbing a bigger portion of the RB pie based off of one game . . . especially if Michel wasn't fumbling or missing blitzers.I mean, the way they played last night yes, it was.
More importantly he was out there in what I considered key situations. Short yardage, game still close, and got the job done.
What should be of greater concern to Michele owners is the quality of carries vs the quantity.
Michele had 15 carries for 14 yards. That’s....not good.
And yeah, PIT is a tough run D. But against that same tough run D, we saw Burkhead turn 8 carries into 44 yards.
We saw White turn 4 carries into 25 yards.
we even saw Edelman turn 1 carry into 8 yards & Boldin turn 1 carry into 7 yards.
So why less than 1 YPC for Michele?
I agree with the first part. The bolded part seems like speculation & i’m not sure how accurate it is.
I’m not confused by it, I just think it’s a cluster. I avoided NE RBs for that reason.
Headed into this season, consensus rankings, expert write-ups & FF managers alike treated Sony/White as though it was a Kamara/Murray situation.
Burkhead was spoken about exactly none times, near as I can tell. Nothing indicated Rex would have a large role (IIRC he was even released briefly at one point in the preseason)
That seems to have been off-base in retrospect.
Of course. But again, Michele was thought of as the back at the stripe for the Pats, and that’s why he was a 4th or 5th round pick. So if he does get vultured by Burkhead, his perceived value will only sink further.
and i’m not sure he’s a great buy low. Possibly. Depends how low.
But I concede that like anyone, I have no idea what the Pats will do game to game, week to week. It could just all be by design for this one game & then next game we’ll see a much different script.
It’ll be interesting to watch. Glad I’m not invested in that backfield - thrilled to have Brady as a superflex/QB2 behind Mahomes in dynasty though.
i think the Dolphins game will be telling though. Pats shouldn’t even have Brady suit up for that one. Edelman can play wildcat all game.
But if he sits around 1 YPC we certainly could.Put another way, I don't Burkhead suddenly grabbing a bigger portion of the RB pie based off of one game . . . especially if Michel wasn't fumbling or missing blitzers.
But the only one who can consider what is unproductive is BB. Not worth repeating what I already posted, but they had a tough opponent to run against, the NE OL was playing guys that hadn't played together before (and had an injury during the game), Brady didn't see a ton of pressure, and they won by 30. I would have to go watch the game again to see who didn't do their job. To me, it looked like Michel was hit in the backfield constantly. Is it his fault if there is no blocking? BB could watch the tape and conclude Michel, while not getting very far, did what he was asked to do. He didn't fumble, he took a lot of hits, and he set up play action for later in the game.But if he sits around 1 YPC we certainly could.
Again, I believe the dolphins game will be an important signpost for Sony Michele’s value looking forward.
Pats football, as you partly elude to above, is predicted on “next man up” - and underperforming is just as bad as fumbling or missing blocks.
If Michele ain’t gettin it done, they’ll see if Rex can. When Sony was still recovering from the knee, Burkhead was being talked up pretty good by the Pats.
Billichick isn’t married to any player except Brady. And that’s the one thing we know for an absolute fact. And even if Brady got hurt I’m pretty sure it’d be a “next man up” mentality.
Bad game. It happens.So why less than 1 YPC for Michele?
See above for lost of Pats players who averaged substantially more than 1 YPC.But the only one who can consider what is unproductive is BB. Not worth repeating what I already posted, but they had a tough opponent to run against, the NE OL was playing guys that hadn't played together before (and had an injury during the game), Brady didn't see a ton of pressure, and they won by 30. I would have to go watch the game again to see who didn't do their job. To me, it looked like Michel was hit in the backfield constantly. Is it his fault if there is no blocking? BB could watch the tape and conclude Michel, while not getting very far, did what he was asked to do. He didn't fumble, he took a lot of hits, and he set up play action for later in the game.
Sure, that happens. But Michele ain’t a HOF-er.Bad game. It happens.
Nearly every player ever, including Hall of Famers, have put up a dud game here or there.
Or maybe Belichick recognized that Burkhead was having a better game than Michel so Belichick gave Burkhead more carries, but Belichick will go right back to Michel next week because: (A) Belichick recognizes that players have an occasional down game; and (B) Belichick saw Michel carry the Patriots to a Super Bowl down the stretch last season.Sure, that happens. But Michele ain’t a HOF-er.
some players on some teams can afford to put up an absolute stinker like that.
Michele likely cant.
Anarchy said above that maybe Bellichick was sending a message to Burkhead to play hard. If we’re speculating, maybe he was sending a message to Michele that he wasn’t playing hard enough by giving Burkhead those touches.![]()
I expect all of Michel, Harris, and Burkhead to get over 100 total yards each next week @ MIA.Or he could be in Belichick’s doghouse and they use Burkhead more and/or activate Harris to spark the running game.
You just never know with Bill.
I am not BB, but I know him well enough as an observer that he is not going to change anything after a single game on opening night. In other seasons, NE has struggled in September and many times have been 2-2 record wise. BB is not going to start making tweaks to the usage pattern this soon, especially not for a first round pick, and especially not for a guy that practically carried the team in the most recent post season. Until we have more evidence that either Michel is not doing what he is supposed to, is hurt, or starts fumbling, I would not be concerned.See above for lost of Pats players who averaged substantially more than 1 YPC.
I hear what you’re saying, but I’m having trouble reconciling that with how well literally every other player who ran the ball performed against that same defense with that same OL.
So doesn’t that point to a crappy performance by Michele? I don’t mean to sound disagreeable here, but you seem to be affording him an awful lot of benefit of the doubt/excuses for his poor performance,, perhaps undeservedly so.
This is silly. NE is one of the most predictable backfields to figure out in the entire league.Unfortunately, this is the way of the Pats RB situation every year.
Brady killed down to Rex and James White. Michel saw no audibles that I could tell.I am not BB, but I know him well enough as an observer that he is not going to change anything after a single game on opening night. In other seasons, NE has struggled in September and many times have been 2-2 record wise. BB is not going to start making tweaks to the usage pattern this soon, especially not for a first round pick, and especially not for a guy that practically carried the team in the most recent post season. Until we have more evidence that either Michel is not doing what he is supposed to, is hurt, or starts fumbling, I would not be concerned.
Also of note is that Brady several times switched from passing calls to running plays with either White or Burkhead in the game. They also played both guys at the same time. They may swap from a run to a pass with Michel in the game, but Michel wouldn't get the ball in that situation. If Brady does that, that means he sees the defense playing off the line and a running lane is available. Not really sure anyone can blame Michel for that.
:spitsdrinkoutonscreen:This is silly. NE is one of the most predictable backfields to figure out in the entire league.
This.Unfortunately, this is the way of the Pats RB situation every year.
I'm not bothering reading because it doesn't seem that anybody but Anarchy99 watched the game.
Correct. We know for now that they aren't going to run Michel in routes and he more than likely won't be in on passing downs. It makes his utility somewhat limited for now and it makes the defense able to key on him. It normally means it's a running play and he will be the one getting the ball. That's generally playing to the other teams strength (unless the opponent can't stop the run). Unlike prior seasons, NE doesn't have the TE personnel at the moment to really go run jumbo packages unless they use OL men as TE's. But they also have OL injuries, so that isn't really an option so they have to use Devlin.Brady killed down to Rex and James White. Michel saw no audibles that I could tell.
WutOr maybe Belichick recognized that Burkhead was having a better game than Michel so Belichick gave Burkhead more carries, but Belichick will go right back to Michel next week because: (A) Belichick recognizes that players have an occasional down game; and (B) Belichick saw Michel carry the Patriots to a Super Bowl down the stretch last season.
You’re making too much out of one game.
I'm not sure what you were watching then, because it was fifteen carries by a New England back in a 33-3 blowout from the jump, which doesn't suggest anything but proper and consistent usage of a fantasy RB2.![]()
It was the late game. I’m pretty sure we all watched it.
I was watching that back struggle to get 1 YPC, and then not get carries later in a game script that I would have otherwise expected a healthy Michele to thrive in.I'm not sure what you were watching then, because it was fifteen carries by a New England back in a 33-3 blowout from the jump, which doesn't suggest anything but proper and consistent usage of a fantasy RB2.
There is no need for Michel to be running up his carries this early in the season. They were ahead by 30. They could have given snaps and carries to Bolden or Burkhead. This week they chose Burkhead. If Burkhead got hurt, they would not care as much as if it had been Michel. This is Burkhead's third season in NE. He's had as many carries as Michel had this week once . . . Week 1 last year when Michel was hurt.I was watching that back struggle to get 1 YPC, and then not get carries later in a game script that I would have otherwise expected a healthy Michele to thrive in.
if they were down 30, would that be when they lean on Michele? No, that’s probably White.
So does a game have to be perfectly even in score for Michele to have his sweet spot for usage?
Just trying to figure out when Michele will be used otherwise since up 30 is Burkhead time, and down 30 is White.
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So to use your phrase, I’m not sure what game you were watching, but in the one I saw, Sony Michele was absolutely terrible & then didn’t get used when they were ahead.
Yes, it's one game, but that’s all we have to go by for now.
Sony Michel rolled to 85 yards and a touchdown on 21 carries Sunday in the Patriots’ Week 2 win at Miami.
As usual, Michel was not targeted in the passing game. The Pats came. They saw. They conquered. Coming off a sluggish opener Sunday night (14 yards on 15 carries in a win over Pittsburgh), Michel bounced back with an emphatic Week 2, carrying the mail for New England in a game where the Pats essentially did whatever they wanted. Michel punctuated the Patriots’ opening drive by punching in a goal-line touchdown and almost found pay-dirt again in the third quarter but was marked down inches short of the end zone (Bill Belichick challenged the spot but it was upheld on review). Michel did have one slip-up, coughing up the ball for New England’s only turnover of the afternoon. The Pats have barely broken a sweat while outscoring their opponents 76-3 over the first two weeks. Twenty years into their dynasty, the Patriots remain a juggernaut on both sides of the ball. They’ll host the Jets in Foxboro next Sunday.
Sep 15, 2019, 4:44 PM ET