RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (2 Viewers)

[Bob Magaw]

Tavon Austin is far from a crisp route runner, yet had 10 TDs combined (and that for a run first offense). But the Rams prioritized getting the ball in his hands. I think Patterson is capable of a lot more if he were similarly prioritized, but that is obviously extremely low on the to do list of MIN OC Norv Turner. And point taken he has nobody to blame but himself for blowing off the coaches by turning down an opportunity to work on his game last off-season. I couldn't have been more disappointed after hearing that, so maybe he will never get it. He may not get the opportunity to show more unless he goes to another team, and even if he does, the chances at this point are far greater that he never amounts to anything. I just can't forget what he did at Tennessee, when he looked like a man against boys.  

 

[Chaka]

Yeah it is to late. He was offered this help last year and turned down because he didn't feel he needed to work on his game. He can't be fixed because his ego won'won't let him work on the basics. 

I don't disagree that he may be done as a WR but how does accepting help this year support your point?  If it would have been a benefit last year (humility/work ethic/no ego blahblahblah) how is it not all those things this year?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Yeah it is to late. He was offered this help last year and turned down because he didn't feel he needed to work on his game. He can't be fixed because his ego won'won't let him work on the basics. 

What kind of work do you think he's doing with Steve Calhoun? Probably the basics, no? 

 

[FreshiZ]

Could have a ted ginn like resurgence if he can hang around the league which barring any major injury he should for his kick return skills.

 

[Bob Magaw]

I'm not cutting him in a few leagues (though admittedly not scrambling to add him in those I don't already have him, either  ). If the light ever flickers on as far as route running and professionalism, unlikely as that may be (stranger things have happened, and Ginn was a good example), you have one of the greatest, most natural open field runners I've ever seen. 

 

[menobrown]

Yeah it is to late. He was offered this help last year and turned down because he didn't feel he needed to work on his game. He can't be fixed because his ego won'won't let him work on the basics. 

I would classify that as a matter of opinion, which I don't agree with. What we know for sure is last off-season he hired a trainer  to work on his conditioning and he flew out to work with Teddy B. He may have done more, that's all I know he did, he just opted to not work with personnel that the Vikings wanted him to work with but that does not mean he did not work on his game.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Personally I like his ego and think it's good for him. There are a lot of things he does not do well and that seems to be what the Norv regime has emphasized instead of focusing and utilizing what he does do well. 2-3 years of that and I think a little ego is beneficial and it's not like he pouts about his lack of playing time or anything which would be another issue entirely. It's never going to work with him and Norv and I think he understands this and I kind of appreciate that he approaches the offseason the way he see's fit to prepare and does not seem to get down. He'll have his shot to be play a Harvin/Austin role, just barring a trade it won't be until 2017.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 








 
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[Milkman]

I don't disagree that he may be done as a WR but how does accepting help this year support your point?  If it would have been a benefit last year (humility/work ethic/no ego blahblahblah) how is it not all those things this year?

Because he's ego won't let him accept the basic help he needs. He told us that last year.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Because he's ego won't let him accept the basic help he needs. He told us that last year.

You keep saying that, but didn't answer this:

What kind of work do you think he's doing with Steve Calhoun? Probably the basics, no? 

 

[BigJim®]

You keep saying that, but didn't answer this:

What kind of work do you think he's doing with Steve Calhoun? Probably the basics, no? 

Meh, I'd love for nothing more than the light to come on for Patterson, but one weekend to work on basics that could not be mastered during 3+ years of practice? Give him credit that this weekend is more time than he's put in previously, but it falls well short of a believable drive to becoming a technician at the WR position. It's like reading the cliff notes for a book club.

 

[Chaka]

Because he's ego won't let him accept the basic help he needs. He told us that last year.

And apparently that changed this year.  So...?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Meh, I'd love for nothing more than the light to come on for Patterson, but one weekend to work on basics that could not be mastered during 3+ years of practice? Give him credit that this weekend is more time than he's put in previously, but it falls well short of a believable drive to becoming a technician at the WR position. It's like reading the cliff notes for a book club.

And I wouldn't really argue with that point. But to say his ego won't him to allow him to "accept the basic help" is nonsense, especially given the Roto report that started this discussion. 

 

[Milkman]

And apparently that changed this year.  So...?

He could certainly grow up but I'm not betting on it. 

 

[Maelstrom]

About 3 years to late to be working on your game bro. 

Yeah it is to late. He was offered this help last year and turned down because he didn't feel he needed to work on his game. He can't be fixed because his ego won'won't let him work on the basics. 

No...I completely disagree. Patterson was a project coming into the league, and while he had some success with gimmick plays in his rookie year, it was expected that it may take a longer than usual for him to "get it". Now, I don't think anyone expected 2 catches in his 3rd year, but in a way it was his 2nd year (new system) and Norv's system isn't exactly simple.

I don't think Patterson is ever going to be a route running genius, but I think he does want to be a solid WR and can get good enough to allow his athletic ability to show through. Will it happen while he is still a Viking? Not sure, I hope so.

 

[Chaka]

He could certainly grow up but I'm not betting on it. 

It seemed like you were entirely ignoring the fact that he is doing what you were critical of him not doing last year.  

I think it is possible that he figured out that he needs to work harder, although I am skeptical that it will help.  Even if he is a quick study AND he is truly committed to the work necessary it is still a 50:50 prospect, IMO, that he could learn to run crisp, consistent routes at this level.  And if he isn't a quick study or truly committed it'll never happen.

 

[BigJim®]

And I wouldn't really argue with that point. But to say his ego won't him to allow him to "accept the basic help" is nonsense, especially given the Roto report that started this discussion. 

That depends how you define 'accept' and 'basic' I guess. Again, it's great he is doing more than nothing, it's a noteworthy step in the right direction. However, this is a little like Eddie Lacy posting on twitter that he drove right past McDonalds all last weekend. That's a fantastic start... towards the daunting feat of losing 30 pounds. That's analogous to the task in front of Cordarrelle, JMHO. In the grand scheme of things, what he's doing it is likely barely scratching the surface of actually solving what has eluded him over 3 full years of practicing under NFL position coaching. 

On the ego question, I'm not sure that it matters whether he thinks he's better than he is, or still doesn't appreciate nuances that separate him from greats at the position. Is it any better if it isn't ego? Unless this is the first of many other off-season steps, something is certainly holding Patterson back from throwing himself head first into what it will likely take for him to become a great WR.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Is 2016 Cordarrelle Patterson’s last chance to prove himself?


http://www.endzonescore.com/cordarrelle-pattersons-last-chance/37144

 

[Arodin]

Is 2016 Cordarrelle Patterson’s last chance to prove himself?


http://www.endzonescore.com/cordarrelle-pattersons-last-chance/37144

I thought that was LAST year...

 

[King of the Jungle]

I was always intrigued by CP but he has obviously failed so far. He will have a tough time proving his worth on the low volume offense he plays for. I am putting him on my radar to scoop up at the end of season to see which team takes a flier on him. He was extremely raw coming out of college and not long ago we were more accepting of a "developmental period" for receivers. Could be a late bloomer value with the right team.

 

[Biabreakable]

On The Fence: Cordarrelle Patterson

This offseason, Patterson is taking his craft more seriously by working out with quarterback guru and route-running coach Steve Calhoun of Orange County California.

I like the sound of this better than what he did last offseason.

 

[Biabreakable]

Report: Minnesota Vikings Unlikely To Pick Up Cordarrelle Patterson's Option

 

[Faust]

Vikings send another signal that Cordarrelle Patterson is a goner

 

[BoltBacker]

I am always surprised teams don't trade a guy like this for a conditional pick. Seems like HOU would have been a good trade partner as they were willing to give up draft capital for fast players.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

The guy is a good returner...they may bring him back as a returner, just not on his $7 million salary...

 

[steelers1080]

The guy is a good returner...they may bring him back as a returner, just not on his $7 million salary...

Don't you think he'd want to take his chances on another team to try and compete for a starting job?

 

[Biabreakable]

Don't you think he'd want to take his chances on another team to try and compete for a starting job?

It's hard to say. Patterson has expressed he really likes the Vikings and would like to stay with the team.

Players always say this though and ultimately it comes down to money.

I am not sure how the coaches feel about it.

I think Patterson doesn't run good enough routes for Teddy who likes to throw the ball on time. I don't think Teddy trusts him, so until that changes it is kind of pointless to have Patterson on the field because Teddy won't really look for him anyways. 

I could see him staying. Coach Zimmer did express that the Vikings need to get more out of the WR they already have, so that gives some indication that they will keep working with their projects. Patterson may struggle with learning and coaching as part of the reason he hasn't developed much thus far.

I am still optimistic that Patterson is getting better at route running which is a focus of his trainer this offseason (liked above) maybe that shows during mini camp and training camp. Patterson has to earn Teddy's trust to have a chance at more than just a kick returner with the Vikings. Hard to say what he might do if he goes to another team.

 

[Biabreakable]

@GoesslingESPN: There were a few questions this week about Patterson, but this is a particularly interesting one. Patterson did look better in the first organized team activity session we saw this week (for whatever that's worth), and he's put in some time working on his route-running skills this offseason. That doesn't count for much at this stage of the game, and he'll have to show he can produce in the regular season. I'm skeptical he'll get enough chances to put up the numbers you suggest, especially with Jerick McKinnon turning into the kind of versatile threat Patterson has been, but if Patterson gets those kinds of numbers, in addition to whatever he does as a kick returner, the Vikings would have to think seriously about it. It'd be a fascinating negotiation, because I'm not sure how much of a contractual precedent there would be for Patterson, but if the Vikings were able to find a decent price to keep a productive receiver and dangerous kick returner, they'd have to think seriously about it. Patterson would have to want to stay after a tumultuous three years in Minnesota -- it's possible he'd want to test the market -- but in the event something clicks for him on offense this season, the Vikings might have to gamble and try to pay him. This is all rather hypothetical at this point, but it's fun to think about.

 

[Milkman]

Pay him for what? Working on his route running 1 out of 3 off seasons. No thanks.

 

[Biabreakable]

Pay him for what? Working on his route running 1 out of 3 off seasons. No thanks.

Oh the question was:


Alex Goble ‎@Ulaeron


@GoesslingESPN Let's say Patterson has a 900 yd 5 TD season, just in receptions. Do the Vikes extend him?#VikingsMail

 

[SayWhat?]

Oh the question was:


Alex Goble ‎@Ulaeron


@GoesslingESPN Let's say Patterson has a 900 yd 5 TD season, just in receptions. Do the Vikes extend him?#VikingsMail

Dumb question, because he won't come remotely close to even seeing the field enough on offense to touch those numbers.

 

[Biabreakable]

Dumb question, because he won't come remotely close to even seeing the field enough on offense to touch those numbers.

I agree. However I think it is possible Patterson could put up 300 or so receiving yards which might be enough for the Vikings to want to keep him. Its possible they keep him just as a kick returner if the money was ok for them.

 

[SayWhat?]

I agree. However I think it is possible Patterson could put up 300 or so receiving yards which might be enough for the Vikings to want to keep him. Its possible they keep him just as a kick returner if the money was ok for them.

I would agree with this, though if I had to wager +/- 300 yards receiving I think I'd take the under.

 

[Donnybrook]

@GoesslingESPN: There were a few questions this week about Patterson, but this is a particularly interesting one. Patterson did look better in the first organized team activity session we saw this week (for whatever that's worth), and he's put in some time working on his route-running skills this offseason. That doesn't count for much at this stage of the game, and he'll have to show he can produce in the regular season. I'm skeptical he'll get enough chances to put up the numbers you suggest, especially with Jerick McKinnon turning into the kind of versatile threat Patterson has been, but if Patterson gets those kinds of numbers, in addition to whatever he does as a kick returner, the Vikings would have to think seriously about it. It'd be a fascinating negotiation, because I'm not sure how much of a contractual precedent there would be for Patterson, but if the Vikings were able to find a decent price to keep a productive receiver and dangerous kick returner, they'd have to think seriously about it. Patterson would have to want to stay after a tumultuous three years in Minnesota -- it's possible he'd want to test the market -- but in the event something clicks for him on offense this season, the Vikings might have to gamble and try to pay him. This is all rather hypothetical at this point, but it's fun to think about.

Goessling always so informative.  Executive Summary:

@GoesslingESPN: There were a few questions this week about Patterson, but I have no clue how things are going to turn out.  

 

[Sabertooth]

Pretty much Devin Hester in terms of fantasy outlook. Much more valuable to a football team than a fantasy team.  

 

[menobrown]

Pretty much Devin Hester in terms of fantasy outlook. Much more valuable to a football team than a fantasy team.  

Right now yes, no doubt about it really. Not sure he has any value to a fantasy team, none in leagues I participate which is why I think he is not rostered in any leagues I'm in.

I still don't think he's worse than he used to be, just got drafted by a offensive staff that had a plan for him and inherited one that does not. I've pretty much given up hope that he could take that raw ability we saw his rookie  year and grow on it into a more natural receiver that is less dependent on being schemed open. But I still think he has that raw ability which can in fact be very useful to a fantasy team if used correctly, and real NFL team for that matter.

I'll be very curious to see where he ends up in FA last year, but only real questions I'll have with him this year is if he's worth a late season add as a roster stash in hope free agency does him well and he can reclaim a role more similar to one we saw at end of his rookie season.

 

[Biabreakable]

So the Vikings are not a real NFL team now? 

Damn I thought they had been in since 1970.

 

[Sabertooth]

Zygi Wilf grew up in Germany but always loved America.   His wife told him that since he looked like Walt Disney, he should buy a Mickey Mouse outfit.  So he bought the Vikings.   

 

[Biabreakable]

That makes about as much sense as saying the Vikings are not a real team because Patterson isn't good at running routes Saber.

Maybe the Vikings should relocate to NFL Europe or something.

 

[Milkman]

Yeah the Vikes have no idea how to do anything but hand the ball to Peterson. 

 

[steelers1080]

The German could wind up taking his position this year.  With Diggs, German dude, Treadwell taking all the receptions, I wouldn't be shocked if Patterson is cut.

 

[cstu]

Remember when electric Cord Patterson was getting drafted before slow Deandre Hopkins in rookie drafts?

 

[King of the Jungle]

Remember when electric Cord Patterson was getting drafted before slow Deandre Hopkins in rookie drafts?

Is this to be remembered for Coleman/Treadwell?

I still think Patterson can develop into something a weapon for the right team. Unfortunately he is on about the worst team for his skillset. A conservative offense that has a run-first mentality is not going to bring him to the surface. He may never be a FF stud but I will be interested in which team takes a shot on him next.

 

[menobrown]

Remember when electric Cord Patterson was getting drafted before slow Deandre Hopkins in rookie drafts?

That's nothing, so was Tavon Austin. But after both had been in the league a full year Patterson was going a few rounds ahead of Hopkins in startups.

I did one startup that year, an FFPC league, and Patterson went exactly two rounds before Hopkins, 3.1 vs 5.1, and I remember when Patterson went 2-3  people being upset because he was their target.

 

[Milkman]

Remember when electric Cord Patterson was getting drafted before slow Deandre Hopkins in rookie drafts?

Or when Melvin Gordon was being drafted in front of David Johnson?

 

[Biabreakable]

Entering contract year, Cordarrelle Patterson says he’d like to stay with Vikings

“Kick returner, that’s just something I’ve been. I can do that in my sleep,” Patterson said. “Wide receiver, that’s something I have to work on each and every day. Just trying to get better at that. When I get that down, I feel like I’ll be good.”

Saying his cognizant of the deficiencies in his game, Patterson has worked with a private quarterbacks and receivers coach, Steve Calhoun, this offseason to refine his routes.

That’s something Captain Munnerlyn said he noticed in OTAs.

“We were talking about that in the meeting room as a unit in the defensive back room,” Munnerlyn said. “We were like, ‘Man. This guys looks different.’ He’s running routes better. He catches the ball. He never had a problem with catching the ball. He’s definitely looked different. I don’t know if he’s slimmed down a little. He definitely looks different. He’s going out there making plays.

“I don’t know if them not picking up his fifth-year option woke him up a little bit or what. He’s definitely smelling it now. He’s going out and working.”

 

[Faust]

Video Link:

Vikings raving about Cordarrelle Patterson's progress

 

[KellysHeroes]

Video Link:

Vikings raving about Cordarrelle Patterson's progress

trade bait

 

[Faust]

Cordarrelle Patterson: It's my make or break year

 

[IMAX 3D]

Cordarrelle Patterson: It's my make or break year

Thanks for these very useful updates

 

[Milkman]

Cordarrelle Patterson: It's my make or break year

Actually last year was Cordarrelle. You know the year where you wanted to workout on your own instead of working on your route running. Enjoy life after football.

 

[spider321]

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