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Tiki, Alexander, Lamont JordanI think this is what I was really asking in my other topic that was not giving me what I wanted.
Lets talk ADP for RBs this year compared what you think it will be next year. Who drops off most?
Edit again: consider from a dynasty league standpoint.
Tiki Barber - Will lose more TD's, but still be productive but with a decline in production and the age people will jumpSteven Jackson - Overrated and runs too high which will lead to injuriesI think this is what I was really asking in my other topic that was not giving me what I wanted.
Lets talk ADP for RBs this year compared what you think it will be next year. Who drops off most?
Edit again: consider from a dynasty league standpoint.
We shall see
I don't think Portis or LT's ADP would plummet in 2007 (assuming they were healthy heading into 2007) if something bad happened to them this year.At worst their ADP would fall to the bottom of round 1.
That is way too early for Edge IMO. Your reasoning isn't bad, but Manning is much better than Warner IMO and the poor run blocking does make a difference. 11 or 12 would have been more appropriate and that the type of guy I would avoid.look at the senior year and explain how Caddy was a MUCH better back in college? Let's not forget that to be a complete back blocking and receiving are important traits and Brown is MUCH better at them than Caddy. Don't get me wrong, I like caddy, but Brown played better his senior year.
Tiki, Alexander, Lamont JordanI think this is what I was really asking in my other topic that was not giving me what I wanted.
Lets talk ADP for RBs this year compared what you think it will be next year. Who drops off most?
Edit again: consider from a dynasty league standpoint.
TJ, Fraud Taylor, Dom Davis, S-Jax, Droughns, Ahman Green, Jamal, Julius Jones ( could be replaced by BarberIII if he can't stay healthy)..
Add in Corey Dillon to both age and Challenger related categories.
Good point - missed that one. Done.
Chris Brown just turned 25. I'd say his situation is either challenger-related or injury concern-related. Nothing really to do with his age.
Basically I can say that because I watched every single game they played in college, and I simply know it to be true. Brown had a few more receptions than Caddy their senior year, but Caddy is equally good at receiving. Brown had more receptions because he was more of a third down back. It's my opinion, but was also the opinion of their HC, RBC, OC, and the entire Auburn nation. Ronnie was a higher pick just because he's a little bigger (thus the nickname Escalade). Also, the knock of never carrying a full-load is a mucgh more relevant knock on him than Caddy because Caddy was the main back until their senior year, and IMO was still the feature back their senior year, and has alrady shown that he can overcome injury and put together a productive season. It's all speculation, but that's why I think Ronnie will fall from fifth overall.Edge, I dunno man. If the combo of Warner/McCown can produce two 1400 yard receivers, I think the Warner/Leinart combo can do much better. Run blocking I won't debate, but I'll eat my hat if he sees one eight-man front all season. People are putting way too much emphasis into the O-line and way underemphasizing Edge's enormous talent. As far as that goes, he's in the top four in the league. He will get his.
That's a good question.I think Jax would prefer a feature back, but with Jones' ability to step up and fill in when (not if) Taylor gets hurt makes it feel like a committee.
I would debate the receiving equality of Brown and Caddy as EVERY scout had Brown as one of the top receiving backs and Caddy as a weakness ion that area. They may be wrong but that is what was heard at nausea. I like Caddy but Ronnie has some serious talent as well. I see Caddy being better at making cuts than Brown, but Ronnie is faster.I think Edge is EXTREMELY well rounded (great balance and hands), but the rest of his skill set is normal as he is not quick or fast.
Edge at 1.07 is right around his ADP (redraft), but your reasoning why his value won't plummet is not as black and white as you think. Statistically speaking, Indy had a top 5 oline last year. One can argue that peyton and the gang played a big part in the padded stats, but calling the unit mediocre is simply ignorant. At least give them some the credit of being a "good" or "over-achieving" oline.In addition, you say zona runs a similar "high-powered" offense as indy, but zona A) doesn't have manning leading the offense, B) TE is an afterthought in green's offense, and C) zona is usually trailing in the latter stages of games. Those 3 things haven't changed this season, so edge is essentially a big gamble. In my opinion, my confidence in edge's talent and ability leads me to believe that his stock won't plummet, but there's so much uncertainty surrounding him that I personally wouldn't gamble a 6 or 7 pick on him.
I wasn't as much commenting on what they want as what the players appear to be to me. I like Jones as the lead back, but he doesn't quite have the explosiveness teams want. Drew has tons of talent, but I'm not convinced he could hold up as the lead back. Sure there are historical exampls of smaller backs being succesful, but I wouldn't put Drew in the same category as those smaller backs who come to mind.They have very good, complimentary, skill sets. It could go either way, Drew as the 3rd down back or Jones as the GL back, or somewhat similar to Tampa Bay a few years back.
All well and good. For KJ: It's just an opinion. The guy has been in the league for two seasons and has had a total of about 8 good games. I'm sure he's just as talented as any back out there, but for some reason it hasn't translated into consistent production or a true feature role (not saying it won't, just saying I haven't seen it yet). I think he's good value in the second round, but he's on a cursed franchise in my opinion, and I would probably take a chance on someone else.Ronnie and Caddy: I agree with you that Caddy wont be seeing 30 carries a game. That was stupid of Gruden and I think he learned his mistake. I think, IF BOTH BACKS STAY HEALTHY, that caddy is the better back. He has intangibles that Ronnie doesnt have, like the ability to shed tacklers. Few backs have really had it: not bowl them over, shed them. Payton had it, LT has it, Caddy has it, and DeAngelo has it. Hell, call it personal preference.Edge at 1.07 is right around his ADP (redraft), but your reasoning why his value won't plummet is not as black and white as you think. Statistically speaking, Indy had a top 5 oline last year. One can argue that peyton and the gang played a big part in the padded stats, but calling the unit mediocre is simply ignorant. At least give them some the credit of being a "good" or "over-achieving" oline.In addition, you say zona runs a similar "high-powered" offense as indy, but zona A) doesn't have manning leading the offense, B) TE is an afterthought in green's offense, and C) zona is usually trailing in the latter stages of games. Those 3 things haven't changed this season, so edge is essentially a big gamble. In my opinion, my confidence in edge's talent and ability leads me to believe that his stock won't plummet, but there's so much uncertainty surrounding him that I personally wouldn't gamble a 6 or 7 pick on him.
Kevin Jones sucks? You base your ronnie and caddy analysis on their college careers, but you completely discount KJ's accomplishments at VT? KJ was stuck in a bad situation in Detroit with mooch, a proven RBBC lover, where the whole team was in disarray. I can't count the number of times KJ had it going early in games last season, only to be pulled out of the game in favor of pinner or bryson. Pinner probably won't make the squad and bryson will probably be kept for his pass catching ability, so it's KJ's show this season. Everything I've read this offseason points to Martz leaning heavily on KJ and Roy Williams. This is coming from a Miami home-boy who has lived in Virginia the past several years. I saw a lot of KJ and hated his guts at the same time.
Out of ronnie and caddy, if anyone's value is going to plummet it's going to be caddy. I think it's already been established that ronnie is a better receiver (it's not that it's something he CAN do, but it's one of his STRENGTHS), and like you said ronnie is bigger (and faster might I add). The fact that caddie has been THE guy at auburn actually shifts the argument in favor of brown who has much less miles on his tires. Furthermore, I think gruden learned his lesson when he gave caddy 30+ carries early in the season only to see a huge drop off in performance later as well as a pretty significant injury to his foot. I think pittman will play a bigger role than you care to acknowledge in tampa. In miami, Brown has the spotlight all to himself and will have every opportunity to shine (keyword OPPORTUNITY). The only way I see ronnie's value being lower or dropping lower than caddy's is if he's injured, which is a real possibility (although it goes both ways).
So basically I disagree with you on all your points
Of the three possible reasons I listed as to why Edge might drop (Age/wear, O-line, Denny Green) I think the most likely reason is not his O-line, but Denny Green. Your argument that they might be playing from behind plays into this a little bit, but the biggest thing is that I just don't see Denny feeding Edge the ball enough to justify his current rankings when he's got Warner/Fitz/Boldin at his disposal.
why all the love for brian calhoun on this website? he's 5'9 202 lbs and he ran a 4.62 40 . i could understand if this guy was a burner but he's not. he's not warrick dunn, he's not brian westbrook. he's a role player who will play special teams, carry the ball 3-5 times a game and catch 20 passes. nothing more, not this year, not next year. just because you drafted this guy in your fantasy draft doesn't make him good. in no way will he impact KJ this year (injuries aside). the coaching staff in detroit loves KJ and for a good reason. the guy has everything you want in a back, explosive speed, great size and good vision. get off the calhoun bandwagon, he's artose pinner version 2.0.
Edge at 1.07 is right around his ADP (redraft), but your reasoning why his value won't plummet is not as black and white as you think. Statistically speaking, Indy had a top 5 oline last year. One can argue that peyton and the gang played a big part in the padded stats, but calling the unit mediocre is simply ignorant. At least give them some the credit of being a "good" or "over-achieving" oline.
In addition, you say zona runs a similar "high-powered" offense as indy, but zona A) doesn't have manning leading the offense, B) TE is an afterthought in green's offense, and C) zona is usually trailing in the latter stages of games. Those 3 things haven't changed this season, so edge is essentially a big gamble. In my opinion, my confidence in edge's talent and ability leads me to believe that his stock won't plummet, but there's so much uncertainty surrounding him that I personally wouldn't gamble a 6 or 7 pick on him.
Kevin Jones sucks? You base your ronnie and caddy analysis on their college careers, but you completely discount KJ's accomplishments at VT? KJ was stuck in a bad situation in Detroit with mooch, a proven RBBC lover, where the whole team was in disarray. I can't count the number of times KJ had it going early in games last season, only to be pulled out of the game in favor of pinner or bryson. Pinner probably won't make the squad and bryson will probably be kept for his pass catching ability, so it's KJ's show this season. Everything I've read this offseason points to Martz leaning heavily on KJ and Roy Williams. This is coming from a Miami home-boy who has lived in Virginia the past several years. I saw a lot of KJ and hated his guts at the same time.
Out of ronnie and caddy, if anyone's value is going to plummet it's going to be caddy. I think it's already been established that ronnie is a better receiver (it's not that it's something he CAN do, but it's one of his STRENGTHS), and like you said ronnie is bigger (and faster might I add). The fact that caddie has been THE guy at auburn actually shifts the argument in favor of brown who has much less miles on his tires. Furthermore, I think gruden learned his lesson when he gave caddy 30+ carries early in the season only to see a huge drop off in performance later as well as a pretty significant injury to his foot. I think pittman will play a bigger role than you care to acknowledge in tampa. In miami, Brown has the spotlight all to himself and will have every opportunity to shine (keyword OPPORTUNITY). The only way I see ronnie's value being lower or dropping lower than caddy's is if he's injured, which is a real possibility (although it goes both ways).
So basically I disagree with you on all your points
I want you to know that you are my hero.Cool, want to bet a liftetime FBG sig on it?
