Reception without Target? (2 Viewers)

[eighsse2]

Alright, here's your pointless curiosity for the day. When a pass is thrown to one receiver, it bounces off of him, and is then caught by a different receiver who was not particularly close to to the intended receiver (see: Jayden Reed's TD for the Packers on Sunday) ... does that target go to the intended receiver, or to the guy that caught the ball?

- Common sense says the target goes to the intended receiver. If you want to know who was "targeted", that is your man.

- But it also seems statistically weird to think of a stat line showing more receptions than targets, which makes me think the target might actually go, nominally, to the receiver who actually caught the ball.

Not getting any results from searching the internet. Anybody know?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Not sure if this helps but a QB can get a reception on a batted ball I believe, I doubt they could say he targeted himself. Great question actually

 

[Bri]

Stats are done very fast. There isn't thought put into them.
When I worked for stats we'd get weekly emails and work team discussions on things of course but in game...whew it's a lot of work for a little pay.
Who threw it who targeted who caught who in coverage man zone double yards yac who tackled...enter it all before the next snap.

There will never be a "let's think about this" play statistically.

It would be guy targeted that tipped the ball (also a drop) and reception goes to the guy that caught it

7,8 guys live, 4-5 guys after, 4-5 guys the day after.

I was raised on if it touches your hands, you can catch it so it'd be a drop for me.

BUT
Your scenario is relatively common (or actually was years ago) with end of half hail Mary's when a WR would tip it purposely to another player

 

[eighsse2]

Stats are done very fast. There isn't thought put into them.
When I worked for stats we'd get weekly emails and work team discussions on things of course but in game...whew it's a lot of work for a little pay.
Who threw it who targeted who caught who in coverage man zone double yards yac who tackled...enter it all before the next snap.

There will never be a "let's think about this" play statistically.

It would be guy targeted that tipped the ball (also a drop) and reception goes to the guy that caught it

7,8 guys live, 4-5 guys after, 4-5 guys the day after.

I was raised on if it touches your hands, you can catch it so it'd be a drop for me.

BUT
Your scenario is relatively common (or actually was years ago) with end of half hail Mary's when a WR would tip it purposely to another player

So the way you're putting it, there's no reason you couldn't get more receptions than targets. Didn't know you were once in that line of work, very cool, thanks for the info!

 

[wlwiles]

Your scenario is relatively common (or actually was years ago) with end of half hail Mary's when a WR would tip it purposely to another player

So who gets the target on a Hail Mary? The receiver that touches it first? Or the receiver that's closest to the defender who catches it/bats it down?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Targets aren't an official NFL stat, right? So different sites might have conflicting info on weird outlier plays.

 

[Snotbubbles]

To help you out. CJ Stroud threw a pass, it got batted in the air, he caught it. His stats say he got 1 target, 1 reception.

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[eighsse2]

Targets aren't an official NFL stat, right? So different sites might have conflicting info on weird outlier plays.

Yeah I was thinking this too. But also I would figure that they all get their data from one source or very few sources.

 

[Bri]

Your scenario is relatively common (or actually was years ago) with end of half hail Mary's when a WR would tip it purposely to another player

So who gets the target on a Hail Mary? The receiver that touches it first? Or the receiver that's closest to the defender who catches it/bats it down?

The receiver that tips it to his teammate.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

To help you out. CJ Stroud threw a pass, it got batted in the air, he caught it. His stats say he got 1 target, 1 reception.

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Checkout the latest stats for C.J. Stroud. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

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Unlike @Bri I don't have any experience with this stuff, but it seems like this would be the easiest way to do it. If you catch a pass, that means you were targeted

 

[eighsse2]

To help you out. CJ Stroud threw a pass, it got batted in the air, he caught it. His stats say he got 1 target, 1 reception.

C.J. Stroud Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for C.J. Stroud. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

Unlike @Bri I don't have any experience with this stuff, but it seems like this would be the easiest way to do it. If you catch a pass, that means you were targeted

That was my first thought too. You get the target, just because.

 

[eighsse2]

Also this could result in >100% catch rate over small sample sizes.

 

[Bri]

Targets aren't an official NFL stat, right? So different sites might have conflicting info on weird outlier plays.

That was only really a thing with sacks. There's no celebration for the most targeted player no juice from it within the league.

There's probably 7-10 companies that do stats live. Maybe 50-100 that will use a script to retrieve data from play by play. This is inexact and purposely so until like Wednesday. There's huge money in previous so Elias etc will have 4 and 6 yards instead of 3 and 7. 7# yards instead of 73. They have an awesome 99.? percent success rate but throw a few nuggets in to catch gleaners

 

[Bri]

Also this could result in >100% catch rate over small sample sizes.

I think everyone had this years ago when Mariota threw to himself. I imagine everyone still has a line of code w being the max

 

[ChiefD]

Also this could result in >100% catch rate over small sample sizes.

I think everyone had this years ago when Mariota threw to himself. I imagine everyone still has a line of code w being the max

Against the Chiefs.

In the playoffs.

For a touchdown.

In a game the Chiefs would lose at Arrowhead.









Thanks for THAT memory.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Also this could result in >100% catch rate over small sample sizes.

I think everyone had this years ago when Mariota threw to himself. I imagine everyone still has a line of code w being the max

Against the Chiefs.

In the playoffs.

For a touchdown.

In a game the Chiefs would lose at Arrowhead.









Thanks for THAT memory.

That can't be right. I was told by reliable sources that the Chiefs are an expansion franchise who started in 2018.

(It honestly does feel like that sometimes. It's hard to remember what they were like pre-Mahomes)