Red Sox vs Angels **OFFICIAL THREAD** (1 Viewer)

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I disagree on everything being set up perfectly for the squeeze. I realize technically speaking, it was the right man on third, the right batter, the right count, the right everything...and even the announcers were mentioning it as a possibility.So with all that being set up, I think it was TOO obvious to call for a squeeze there. The beauty of the squeeze and a lot of its effectiveness comes in the element of surprise, almost like a surprise onside kick. With everyone and their mother knowing a squeeze was a very strong possibility, Delcarmen was able to throw a nasty 2-0 pitch well inside to prevent it. Worst-case scenario, he goes 3-0 on Aybar but still has two bases open. I just thought Scioscia out-thought himself there.

It's not like the Sox pitched out. If Aybar gets the bunt down, Scioscia looks like a genius for five minutes until Boston ties it up in the bottom half. A one run lead, K-rod and the bottom of the order coming up isn't a bad proposition.

I'll never think/agree that what would transpire in the bottom of an inning would have been exactly the same no matter what the score. In any sport. In any situation for that matter. Everything is different. Pitcher pitches different, batters bat different, mindsets are different...and on and on. Anyway, cause/effect, blah, blah, blah.I don't understand why sportscasters/people bring such things up.

I agree wtih this. Sox getting that run is much tougher if down by 1 than if tied. They have to press too much. Difference of opinion, maybe, but to assume boston scores that run is a bit over the top IMO.

 

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I disagree on everything being set up perfectly for the squeeze. I realize technically speaking, it was the right man on third, the right batter, the right count, the right everything...and even the announcers were mentioning it as a possibility.So with all that being set up, I think it was TOO obvious to call for a squeeze there. The beauty of the squeeze and a lot of its effectiveness comes in the element of surprise, almost like a surprise onside kick. With everyone and their mother knowing a squeeze was a very strong possibility, Delcarmen was able to throw a nasty 2-0 pitch well inside to prevent it. Worst-case scenario, he goes 3-0 on Aybar but still has two bases open. I just thought Scioscia out-thought himself there.

It's not like the Sox pitched out. If Aybar gets the bunt down, Scioscia looks like a genius for five minutes until Boston ties it up in the bottom half. A one run lead, K-rod and the bottom of the order coming up isn't a bad proposition.

Ephus here are the success rates of the squeeze...turns out it isn't 100% for the batter

Bunter Rating				Infield back							  Infield In/Corners InA		 suicide			  67% (8%)								53% (14%)			safety			   61%										 47% B		  suicide			  53%(14%)							   39% (19%)			safety			   47%										 33% C		 suicide			  39% (19%)							  22% (31%)	 			Safety			   33%										 17% D		 suicide			  22%(31%)							   14% (42%)			safety			   17%										 8%

Wilked, Not that I'm arguing the numbers ... but are those the success rates once the batter gets the bat on the ball (what we're arguing) or every squeeze attempt in general (not what we're arguing. You got a link? Again... not saying you're wrong here... but I have to think that the rate of success for an A rated bunter getting the bat on the ball is much higher than 61%.

 

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lolackey

"We lost to a team that's not better than us," growled pitcher John Lackey, who gave up two runs and seven hits in seven innings. "We are a better team than they are. The last two days, we shouldn't have given up anything."

"[sunday]night they scored three runs on a pop fly that was called a hit, which was a joke," Lackey said, referring to Ellsbury's pop that fell between center fielder Torii Hunter and second baseman Howie Kendrick in Game 3.

"[Monday] night they scored on a broken-bat ground ball and a fly ball that anywhere else in America is an out, and he's fist-pumping on second base like he did something great."

Asked to describe his feelings, Lackey said, "Like I want to throw somebody through a wall."

"Here's your sign", tool. Enjoy. Boston has beated you assclowns 12 out of the last 13 games in the postseason and you're going to argue that we don't deserve it.

Face it... Angels can't finish. Postseason choke artists of the highest order. Come to grips with it buddy.Own it. It's your identity.

 

[Ghost Rider]

wow, the suicide is 100% success as long as the batter gets a bat on the ball?

My brother was saying with the Sox infield in and all of them outstanding defensive players, he doesn't think Willits scores anyway. It's not like he got a great break off the bag at 3B (which also explains why he was almost able to get back).

No way. On just about any squeeze, if the bunt is dropped down well, so long as the runner from 3rd doesn't moonwalk home, he is gonna score.

 

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wow, the suicide is 100% success as long as the batter gets a bat on the ball?

My brother was saying with the Sox infield in and all of them outstanding defensive players, he doesn't think Willits scores anyway. It's not like he got a great break off the bag at 3B (which also explains why he was almost able to get back).

No way. On just about any squeeze, if the bunt is dropped down well, so long as the runner from 3rd doesn't moonwalk home, he is gonna score.

So what you are saying is that if the pitcher delivers a fastball over the plate, and if the runner gets a good jump, and the hitter bunts it well, it works every time? Gotcha...