Redskins release LB LaVar Arrington (1 Viewer)

[Macdaddy_2004]

Someone explain to me why Arrington wouldn't just sit on his but with the redskins for 12 million this year and 13 million next year

Explain it to me like I am 8

Huh? Why would the Redskins pay him $12 million this year to sit on his butt?Contracts are not guaranteed -- Lavar won't make a dime this year unless he ends up on some team's roster during the season.

He paid them 4 million to get out of his contract - if he didn't pay them he'd still be a redskin

 

[AB in DC]

Someone explain to me why Arrington wouldn't just sit on his but with the redskins for 12 million this year and 13 million next year

Explain it to me like I am 8

Huh? Why would the Redskins pay him $12 million this year to sit on his butt?Contracts are not guaranteed -- Lavar won't make a dime this year unless he ends up on some team's roster during the season.

He paid them 4 million to get out of his contract - if he didn't pay them he'd still be a redskin

Only for a few months. They would have cut him in July anyway.

 

[redman]

Someone explain to me why Arrington wouldn't just sit on his but with the redskins for 12 million this year and 13 million next year

Explain it to me like I am 8

Huh? Why would the Redskins pay him $12 million this year to sit on his butt?Contracts are not guaranteed -- Lavar won't make a dime this year unless he ends up on some team's roster during the season.

He paid them 4 million to get out of his contract - if he didn't pay them he'd still be a redskin

Arrington's incentives as to his contract are simple. The team doesn't kow-tow to him, so he's not guaranteed playing time. He clearly doesn't mesh with the defense's plans for him and the level of work and discipline that it demands from him. So if he stays and then left next year, there would be a very good chance that he'd have gone three years without being a full-time player, and he couldn't blame that third year on an injury. How well would he do as a FA then?

He paid $4M now in the hopes of getting far more than that back on his next contract.

 

[Bizkiteer]

So who takes his LB spot in Washington?

Lemar Marshall will move to WLB and 'Skins will get another MLB. There is an outside chance C. Clemons could fill his spot though.

Barring a FA signing, wouldn't Holdman have a good shot (better than Clemons) at the starting WLB? He did start there for the first half of the season.Also, Robert McCune was considered a promising late round draft pick last year. The potential is there for him to move into the starting lineup.

Holdman is an UFA. It was also proven that when he started, they gave up far more yds rushing on his side than when Lavar was in there. The whole point is that when Holdman played...you NEVER heard his name. Now, some might say that means he was doing his job, but when you play WLB...you should be in more than just a tackle or two for a game.Thus, Holdman is done as a starter for the 'Skins. Maybe depth and fill in, but nothing more...

 

[Silverbacks]

Perhaps they should look at David Thornton-Colts LB to take his place?

 

[cowboyz]

Did Lavar actually pay $4 million, or did it come out of expected salary? in other words did he write a check for $4 mil. i find that hard to believe.

ah, mort said he was owed $5.6, so he agreeed to give back $4 mil of that. i believe the 5.6 is the disputed number, so he essentially got paid $1 mil and was let go early

 

[azcards33]

headline posted as breaking news on ESPN News right now.

He PAID the Skins $4M to release him.He must have really loved it there.

Could be good or bad for Arrington, hopefully he played his cards right. A freakish talent who's built a rep on what he's supposedly able to do, failing to live up to that talent with another team would make him a fraud (assuming he stays healthy, of course)

If he lands with a coaching staff which lets him blitz every down, and allows him to play his style of freelance, undisciplined defense -- assignments be damned -- he'll be fine.

I would think that the 49ers would be a good candidate as a team to sign Arrington given J.P., Brandon Moore, Rasheed Saleem, and Andre Carter are all expected to test the FA market, and given their salary cap position, but seeing how Nolan handled Peterson and Winborn (both like to freelance) it doesn't seem likely and probably wouldn't work.I think that if Arrington can somehow sign with Atlanta and have a chance to work with Jim Mora Jr, who is extremely innovative on defense and allowed players like Julian Peterson and Jamie Winborn to freelance and line up at several different positions, Arrington could become one of the most productive and feared defensive players in the league. Peterson and Winborn both really flourished under the guidance and coaching of Mora Jr.

 

[msommer]

Hope this means good stuff for McCune (got him for a song, really on the hope...)

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Did Lavar actually pay $4 million, or did it come out of expected salary? in other words did he write a check for $4 mil. i find that hard to believe.

ah, mort said he was owed $5.6, so he agreeed to give back $4 mil of that. i believe the 5.6 is the disputed number, so he essentially got paid $1 mil and was let go early

the way they explained it on sportscenter today he agreed to forego $4 million in bonus money that would have been coming to him, in exchange for his release.

 

[fatness]

According to PFT Arrington gave up more than $4 million.

A reader has tipped us off to an unusual dynamic regarding the recent release of linebacker LaVar Arrington by the Redskins, which occurred when he agreed to waive $4.4 million in earned but unpaid signing bonus money. We've confirmed the following new information through a league source.As it turns out, the 'Skins offered to convert the $6.5 million roster bonus owed to Arrington into a guaranteed signing bonus, which would have permitted it to be prorated over four years. The 'Skins also offered to move up all or part of the $4.4 million in deferred payments from his December 2003 signing bonus. Arrington was poised at one point to accept the deal, but then opted for free agency.So the maneuver results in a $10.9 million hole from which Arrington will now dig on the open market. And if his agents haven't lined up a deal that will pay him more than $10.9 million plus his $545,000 base salary in 2006, it will prove in hindsight to be a bad move.

 

[cstu]

According to PFT Arrington gave up more than $4 million.

A reader has tipped us off to an unusual dynamic regarding the recent release of linebacker LaVar Arrington by the Redskins, which occurred when he agreed to waive $4.4 million in earned but unpaid signing bonus money. We've confirmed the following new information through a league source.

As it turns out, the 'Skins offered to convert the $6.5 million roster bonus owed to Arrington into a guaranteed signing bonus, which would have permitted it to be prorated over four years. The 'Skins also offered to move up all or part of the $4.4 million in deferred payments from his December 2003 signing bonus. Arrington was poised at one point to accept the deal, but then opted for free agency.

So the maneuver results in a $10.9 million hole from which Arrington will now dig on the open market. And if his agents haven't lined up a deal that will pay him more than $10.9 million plus his $545,000 base salary in 2006, it will prove in hindsight to be a bad move.

Not a bad move at all - he gets to move to a team that wants him. Money isn't everything and Arrington will likely be much happier wherever he goes even if he doesn't get an $11 million guaranteed contract.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

It's not just that. Because his roster bonus wouldn't have hit until July, the Redskins would've kept him in limbo until then. Meanwhile, big money free agency would've come and gone. Most teams would have their rosters set by then, and planning to use their remaining money on signing their rookies.

By getting out of his contract now, he'll be in the first waves of free agency and he has a better chance of signing a bigger contract.

He'll probably get his $4 million back in a signing bonus, and he'll be in a new teams plans from the beginning...with a better chance to start.

Of course, no CBA might change all that.

EDIT: Apparently Profootballtalk already thought of this...sorry

 

[nygiants56]

please sign with NY Giants!!

 

[fatness]

One Giant wants him, apparently. Although this contradicts something I read earlier about Pierce's opinion of Arrington.

Link

Meanwhile, one Giants player said yesterday that middle linebacker Antonio Pierce has begun making a big push for the team to sign outside linebacker LaVar Arrington, his former teammate with the Redskins..............

.......................he Giants player, who requested anonymity, said the team is interested in Arrington, but isn't certain it has enough money under the current salary cap to afford him. However, if the NFL owners accept the union's latest proposal for a new collective bargaining agreement today, the cap would rise about $10 million per team. That would give the Giants plenty of room to add Arrington.

 

[wharf rat]

One Giant wants him, apparently. Although this contradicts something I read earlier about Pierce's opinion of Arrington.

Link

Meanwhile, one Giants player said yesterday that middle linebacker Antonio Pierce has begun making a big push for the team to sign outside linebacker LaVar Arrington, his former teammate with the Redskins..............

.......................he Giants player, who requested anonymity, said the team is interested in Arrington, but isn't certain it has enough money under the current salary cap to afford him. However, if the NFL owners accept the union's latest proposal for a new collective bargaining agreement today, the cap would rise about $10 million per team. That would give the Giants plenty of room to add Arrington.

 

[TeddyKGB]

One Giant wants him, apparently. Although this contradicts something I read earlier about Pierce's opinion of Arrington.

Link

Meanwhile, one Giants player said yesterday that middle linebacker Antonio Pierce has begun making a big push for the team to sign outside linebacker LaVar Arrington, his former teammate with the Redskins..............

.......................he Giants player, who requested anonymity, said the team is interested in Arrington, but isn't certain it has enough money under the current salary cap to afford him. However, if the NFL owners accept the union's latest proposal for a new collective bargaining agreement today, the cap would rise about $10 million per team. That would give the Giants plenty of room to add Arrington.

Well, at least Lavar will have Pierce there to tell him where to line up. Just like the old days!

 

[Boone22]

Another Source..KFFL

Giants | Pierce pushing for Arrington

Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:18:43 -0800

Mike Garafolo, of the Star-Ledger, reports one New York Giants player said Monday, March 6, that MLB Antonio Pierce has begun making a big push for the team to sign free agent LB LaVar Arrington (Redskins). The Giants player, who requested anonymity, said the team is interested in Arrington, but isn't certain the franchise has enough money under the current salary cap to afford him. In a radio interview in Washington yesterday, Arrington said he wants to stay in the NFC East, but would prefer not to play for the Cowboys. That would leave the Giants and Philadelphia Eagles as prime candidates for him to sign with.

 

[Big Score]

Another Source..KFFL

Giants | Pierce pushing for Arrington

Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:18:43 -0800

Arrington said he wants to stay in the NFC East, but would prefer not to play for the Cowboys.

Scared of Parcells?

 

[fatness]

He probably just hates the Cowboys.

 

[cstu]

He probably just hates the Cowboys.

I've heard from someone who knew him that he was a Cowboys fan.

 

[5Rings]

I'd rank his potential suitors as follows:

1) Cowboys

2) Giants

3) Eagles

4) San Francisco

5) Houston

No way he goes to SF. Nolan unloaded Winborn because he freelanced and wouldn't fall assignments; why would he spend big bucks to bring in another like-kind player. Nolan has repeatedly stated he wants guys that will follow his gameplan.Not a chance.

 

[Marvelous]

So who takes his LB spot in Washington?

Lemar Marshall will move to WLB and 'Skins will get another MLB. There is an outside chance C. Clemons could fill his spot though.

Barring a FA signing, wouldn't Holdman have a good shot (better than Clemons) at the starting WLB? He did start there for the first half of the season.Also, Robert McCune was considered a promising late round draft pick last year. The potential is there for him to move into the starting lineup.

Lemar Marshall is a good player who works hard, but he's just not a playmaker. He's merely adequate/competent at MLB. He's probably going to go back to his more natural WLB position. Without checking, McCune was active in more games as a special teamer than he was inactive. I think the team likes him. They also have Khary Campbell to consider at MLB.

I believe the Redskins are very high on Chris Clemons. I don't know if they will consider him a starter, but he played extensively last year.

 

[Marvelous]

According to PFT Arrington gave up more than $4 million.

A reader has tipped us off to an unusual dynamic regarding the recent release of linebacker LaVar Arrington by the Redskins, which occurred when he agreed to waive $4.4 million in earned but unpaid signing bonus money.  We've confirmed the following new information through a league source.

As it turns out, the 'Skins offered to convert the $6.5 million roster bonus owed to Arrington into a guaranteed signing bonus, which would have permitted it to be prorated over four years.  The 'Skins also offered to move up all or part of the $4.4 million in deferred payments from his December 2003 signing bonus. Arrington was poised at one point to accept the deal, but then opted for free agency.

So the maneuver results in a $10.9 million hole from which Arrington will now dig on the open market.  And if his agents haven't lined up a deal that will pay him more than $10.9 million plus his $545,000 base salary in 2006, it will prove in hindsight to be a bad move.

Not a bad move at all - he gets to move to a team that wants him. Money isn't everything and Arrington will likely be much happier wherever he goes even if he doesn't get an $11 million guaranteed contract.

If this report is true (it's not as strongly worded as some of the PFT artlicles), that means the Redskins were willing to keep Arrington and Arrington turned it down. This report is not inconsistent with what Joe Gibbs has said.

 

[redman]

So who takes his LB spot in Washington?

Lemar Marshall will move to WLB and 'Skins will get another MLB. There is an outside chance C. Clemons could fill his spot though.

Barring a FA signing, wouldn't Holdman have a good shot (better than Clemons) at the starting WLB? He did start there for the first half of the season.Also, Robert McCune was considered a promising late round draft pick last year. The potential is there for him to move into the starting lineup.

Lemar Marshall is a good player who works hard, but he's just not a playmaker. He's merely adequate/competent at MLB. He's probably going to go back to his more natural WLB position. Without checking, McCune was active in more games as a special teamer than he was inactive. I think the team likes him. They also have Khary Campbell to consider at MLB.

I believe the Redskins are very high on Chris Clemons. I don't know if they will consider him a starter, but he played extensively last year.

They used him as an outside pass rusher and occasionally as a DE. He's not MLB material, although he has some nice skills as a rusher.

 

[TheLaw]

Someone explain to me why Arrington wouldn't just sit on his but with the redskins for 12 million this year and 13 million next year

Explain it to me like I am 8

Huh? Why would the Redskins pay him $12 million this year to sit on his butt?Contracts are not guaranteed -- Lavar won't make a dime this year unless he ends up on some team's roster during the season.

He paid them 4 million to get out of his contract - if he didn't pay them he'd still be a redskin

He didnt "pay" them, from what I understand. Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but I read it as Lavar was owed 4.4M in deferred money (signing bonus etc) which he gave up. By giving up that 4.4M, that deferred money is taken off the salary cap books of the Skins, instead of becoming immediately due for cap purposes upon Lavar's release. They would not have been able to release him because of their cap situation had he not done that and he would have been stuck. He wouldnt have received that 4.4M this season, therefore he need not recoup it in one season from his new team either.

 

[Marvelous]

So who takes his LB spot in Washington?

Lemar Marshall will move to WLB and 'Skins will get another MLB. There is an outside chance C. Clemons could fill his spot though.

Barring a FA signing, wouldn't Holdman have a good shot (better than Clemons) at the starting WLB? He did start there for the first half of the season.Also, Robert McCune was considered a promising late round draft pick last year. The potential is there for him to move into the starting lineup.

Lemar Marshall is a good player who works hard, but he's just not a playmaker. He's merely adequate/competent at MLB. He's probably going to go back to his more natural WLB position. Without checking, McCune was active in more games as a special teamer than he was inactive. I think the team likes him. They also have Khary Campbell to consider at MLB.

I believe the Redskins are very high on Chris Clemons. I don't know if they will consider him a starter, but he played extensively last year.

They used him as an outside pass rusher and occasionally as a DE. He's not MLB material, although he has some nice skills as a rusher.

He was the WLB on passing downs (Arrington's position). His brother, Nate, is a DE and was playing at the end of the year.If Clemons gets more playing time or starts, Marshall will stay in the middle.