duaneok66
Footballguy
I never said that they were not planning on doing it, I said that to ASSUME that they WILL do it is a big risk, especially for those that spend a 2nd round pick on him . . .
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Reggie Bush ain't gonna produce $%!@ this year (1 Viewer)
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RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Okay. Great point.
lennysmalls
Footballguy
Reggie went 2.09 in my NON-PPR league tonight, I took Duece at 10.02.
Seems like Duece is a past memory for most people. At 10.02 its worth the chance that he isn't and is still a viable 3rd RB in a start 2 RB league (I have multiple other choices of course for RB3 if indeed it is all over for Duece).
Seems like Duece is a past memory for most people. At 10.02 its worth the chance that he isn't and is still a viable 3rd RB in a start 2 RB league (I have multiple other choices of course for RB3 if indeed it is all over for Duece).
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
Firstly, let's just say that I am not a member of the Bush Bus ...
Folks expecting him to produce huge numbers will likely be very disappointed. He was taken in the 1st round as RB #10 in one of my 12 man leagues. Yeash ...
Like it or not, the pre-season is the only data that you have to go from. He is averaging less than 4 yards per reception. This is less than his Yards per Rush people!
Bush will surely be on the field for the Saints this year in a variety of packages, but don't be surprised if he does not see more than 10 touches a game and finishes with around 120 Fantasy Points at RB# 25 ...
Folks expecting him to produce huge numbers will likely be very disappointed. He was taken in the 1st round as RB #10 in one of my 12 man leagues. Yeash ...
Like it or not, the pre-season is the only data that you have to go from. He is averaging less than 4 yards per reception. This is less than his Yards per Rush people!
Bush will surely be on the field for the Saints this year in a variety of packages, but don't be surprised if he does not see more than 10 touches a game and finishes with around 120 Fantasy Points at RB# 25 ...
As the saying goes, "you can't win your league in the 1st 2 rounds of your draft, but you certainly can lose it". If you subscribe to that advice, Bush is not a good pick in the 2nd round, regardless of what you think he "might" be able to do. Obviously anyone can go down with injury, but to take twice the risk on an unproven player? Let someone else do it. I actually like Bush, but don't believe he should be drafted in the 2nd round. I'd rather take Deuce (who I think will produce similar fantasy numbers) in the 7th round.
fenwah
Footballguy
That's a great pickup in the 10th round. You should be thrilled.
fightingillini
Footballguy
I couldn't care less.I want to win my league, not finish a respectable 5th. I'm not afraid of finishing last.If you are, then don't take Bush.Don't forget about the downside . . . lots of it here . . .The upside is the key to focus on.Lots of it here.
I agree. I was drafting 10th in my 10-team league, and took Bush with the 4.1 pick. With the remaining backs on the board (every one at the time has question marks), why not try and hit the homerun here?My take is....the Saints would be incredibly stupid if they don't figure out how to get Bush the ball. A LOT. Sure, he'll split carries with Deuce. I don't expect 300 carries. I expect 12 carries and 4 receptions a game. Also, remember that Deuce will get the short yardage carries, giving Bush an opportunity to get a really nice yards per carry and yards per catch. 200 carries for 900 yds rushing seems reasonable. The main question to me is how many TDs will he score.It's a pick that can take you to a championship.......or take you out of the playoffs.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Remember, if you're using that as your floor for Bush, you might be surprised to learn that he's a huge value in the 3rd round of PPR leagues even with that floor.With just 75 total yards and 5 receptions a game, that puts him at 200 points for the year--or good for RB19 under the current FBG projections, ahead of players like Droughns and Chester Taylor. Remember--that's NOT including touchdowns. That's incredible.THAT'S why he's such a good pick in the mid-late third round. Second round is a bit high, but for those saying he's not going to do anything, do you REALLY expect NO not to use him at LEAST that much?
packersfan
Footballguy
From Mort's chat today. The bolded part is of interest in my opinion:
John (Kingston, ON): Mort, Reggie Bush and Barry Sanders are basically the same size (Bush is actually 2 inches taller). Why do people say that Reggie can't carry the ball 300 times/year when Barry did it on several occasions...and Reggie didn't get worn down in college like Barry did at Oklahoma State?
SportsNation Chris Mortensen: (11:18 AM ET ) I think you are dead on. Now Sanders had extraordinarily huge legs but Bush is strong, very strong, though maybe more in the upper body. The Saints want Bush to get about 21-22 touches per game and an occasional kickoff or punt return. But they do have Deuce McAllister so I think it's a case of finding out exactly what they have with Bush over time. The good thing is that even if the Saints are behind, Bush will get the ball even more because of his versatility and explosiveness.
John (Kingston, ON): Mort, Reggie Bush and Barry Sanders are basically the same size (Bush is actually 2 inches taller). Why do people say that Reggie can't carry the ball 300 times/year when Barry did it on several occasions...and Reggie didn't get worn down in college like Barry did at Oklahoma State?
SportsNation Chris Mortensen: (11:18 AM ET ) I think you are dead on. Now Sanders had extraordinarily huge legs but Bush is strong, very strong, though maybe more in the upper body. The Saints want Bush to get about 21-22 touches per game and an occasional kickoff or punt return. But they do have Deuce McAllister so I think it's a case of finding out exactly what they have with Bush over time. The good thing is that even if the Saints are behind, Bush will get the ball even more because of his versatility and explosiveness.
Athletic Supporter
Footballguy
packersfan said:
That would be awsome! I got him at 8.05 in a 10 team Non-PPR league over the weekend. Also snagged Duece 2 rounds later at 10.07 and couldn't be happier. The Bush pick was followed by a bunch of hecklers "you can have him", "he'll be a bust", blah, blah, blah. 
This just in for those who doubt him........you ever see him play?
After watching these videos, is there any question that he will be successful in the NFL?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMvGyaobz-k...ted&search=
My mind, already one of the top 5 most talented backs in the league. In PPR, he is pure platinum.
After watching these videos, is there any question that he will be successful in the NFL?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMvGyaobz-k...ted&search=
My mind, already one of the top 5 most talented backs in the league. In PPR, he is pure platinum.
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Thomas Jones was coming back from a torn ACL last year?
diesel7982
Footballguy
If Bush touches the ball 22 times/game, thats 350 touches on the season. Figure 290 carries, 60 receptions. He'll be a top 10 back if that happens, not a #2 or #3 guy.
Warpig
Footballguy
Yep, he did whine and threatened to hold out if he didn't get #1 money. And he was also under investigation for fraud. And he already rubbed the top brass the wrong way for wearing his own cleats instead of the uniformal team cleats. Sounds like another T.O. in the making. I can't wait. Just think...he hasn't even played a meaningful game yet. Wait until they start losing 10 games a season.
This is most significant news here in this thread.
From Times-Picayune
Bush to return punts Sunday
Wednesday, 4 p.m.
By Jimmy Smith
Staff writer
Saints tailback Reggie Bush said Wednesday he’ll return punts in Sunday’s season-opener against the Cleveland Browns.
In special teams drills over the last five weeks, Bush has lined up as the No. 1 punt returner, but he has seen no action in New Orleans’ four exhibition games. “I feel good about that,” Bush said Wednesday. “I’m ready to return punts, get the ball in my hands and make a big play.”
Bush was a multitasker in college at Southern California, returning 44 punts for the Trojans for a 12.7 per-return average and three touchdowns. He also returned 67 kickoffs for 1,522 yards and one score, but said he won’t return kicks against the Browns.
Bush said he’d spoken with Saints coach Sean Payton about the possibility of returning punts in the exhibition season, but Payton decided to be cautious and keep Bush on the sideline.
“He just wanted to save me,” Bush said. “He didn’t feel it was necessary. He told me the story about (the Giants’) Jason Sehorn returning a punt in the preseason and getting hurt and he was out for the season. It’s all about keeping me healthy.”
Bush obviously will be more involved in the Saints’ gameplan against the Browns, but he said he didn’t know to what extent.
“I don’t know how many times I’ll touch the ball,” he said. “This is a new team, a new coaching staff, a new season. I’m just not sure.” Yet Bush said he, and his teammates, were well-prepared for their NFL regular-season debuts.
“I definitely feel we got better as an offense,” Bush said. “We learned some things. We made some mistakes, but I feel like it’s better to make them early and learn from them as opposed to doing it during the season.
“I’d rather (make mistakes) during the preseason than have gone through things doing it all perfect and then all of a sudden the mistakes come during the regular season. We’ve grown a lot. Obviously, you’ve got such limited time in the preseason with the ones. You don’t have the whole game to kind of work on those during the game. We feel like we’ve grown as a team.”
Bush to return punts Sunday
Wednesday, 4 p.m.
By Jimmy Smith
Staff writer
Saints tailback Reggie Bush said Wednesday he’ll return punts in Sunday’s season-opener against the Cleveland Browns.
In special teams drills over the last five weeks, Bush has lined up as the No. 1 punt returner, but he has seen no action in New Orleans’ four exhibition games. “I feel good about that,” Bush said Wednesday. “I’m ready to return punts, get the ball in my hands and make a big play.”
Bush was a multitasker in college at Southern California, returning 44 punts for the Trojans for a 12.7 per-return average and three touchdowns. He also returned 67 kickoffs for 1,522 yards and one score, but said he won’t return kicks against the Browns.
Bush said he’d spoken with Saints coach Sean Payton about the possibility of returning punts in the exhibition season, but Payton decided to be cautious and keep Bush on the sideline.
“He just wanted to save me,” Bush said. “He didn’t feel it was necessary. He told me the story about (the Giants’) Jason Sehorn returning a punt in the preseason and getting hurt and he was out for the season. It’s all about keeping me healthy.”
Bush obviously will be more involved in the Saints’ gameplan against the Browns, but he said he didn’t know to what extent.
“I don’t know how many times I’ll touch the ball,” he said. “This is a new team, a new coaching staff, a new season. I’m just not sure.” Yet Bush said he, and his teammates, were well-prepared for their NFL regular-season debuts.
“I definitely feel we got better as an offense,” Bush said. “We learned some things. We made some mistakes, but I feel like it’s better to make them early and learn from them as opposed to doing it during the season.
“I’d rather (make mistakes) during the preseason than have gone through things doing it all perfect and then all of a sudden the mistakes come during the regular season. We’ve grown a lot. Obviously, you’ve got such limited time in the preseason with the ones. You don’t have the whole game to kind of work on those during the game. We feel like we’ve grown as a team.”
duaneok66
Footballguy
that's pretty hard considering that Deuce is in the backfield as well . . . Coaches say all sorts of things before the season starts . . . unless they plan on benching McAllister, I don't see it happening . . .
This from the San Diego Union-Tribune: Mostly fluff, but some interesting things in bold.
Bush has Browns on high alert
By Tom Withers
ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:31 p.m. September 6, 2006
BEREA, Ohio – “Stop Bush!” is the cry in Cleveland this week, and it's got nothing to do with politics or Iraq.
As they gear up for their season opener against the New Orleans Saints, the Browns are devising ways of stopping – or at least slowing down – Reggie Bush, the Saints' blur of a rookie running back who will be making his NFL debut.
“He can break one anytime he has the ball in his hands,” Browns defensive tackle Orpheus Roye said. “He's an explosive guy who can make big plays. That's all you saw on TV when he was in college. Reggie Bush this, and Reggie Bush that.”
All-American. Heisman Trophy winner. No. 2 overall pick. Three-time All-American at USC. Bush's resume is stuffed with superlatives, none of which means a thing once the ball is snapped on Sunday.
“This is a whole different league,” Browns cornerback Gary Baxter said. “You have to give him respect for what he did in college, but right now it's a new era for him.”
It will begin against a Cleveland team that yielded 137.6 rushing yards per game last season, the league's third highest average. The Browns plugged holes in their 'D' during the offseason by signing free agent nose tackle Ted Washington and linebacker Willie McGinest.
The first-team defense showed significant improvement against the run during the preseason, but that was the preseason, and the Browns didn't have to contend with any back close to being as fast as Bush.
New Orleans plans to line him up in the backfield by himself as well as alongside Deuce McAllister, the Saints' career rushing leader who missed the final 11 games last season with a knee injury.
In limited playing time, the 6-foot, 203-pound multipurpose jitterbug finished the exhibition season with 10 carries for 102 yards, 44 coming on his second run of the preseason against Tennessee.
On the play, Bush was stopped behind the line of scrimmage before bolting around the left side. With nowhere to go, he cut back to the right, beat two Titans defenders to the edge and turned up field.
It was vintage Bush, who regularly pulled off similar Houdini-like escapes with the Trojans.
“He's special, man,” Saints quarterback Drew Brees said. “He can do so many things. Everything you saw in USC highlights we pretty much see every day. The guy is as physically gifted as anyone I've seen.”
Babatunde Oshinowo was a firsthand witness to several of those Bush breakaways while at Stanford.
“He got outside on us a couple of times and hit some really big runs,” said the Browns rookie, who was signed to the practice squad earlier this week. “Whoever is on the outside has to make him run inside.”
It's that, or watch No. 25 disappear into the distance.
Bush, too, showed he can catch the ball, leading the Saints with 10 receptions during the preseason. And, he'll return punts.
“He is someone you want to make sure is touching it 15 to 20 times per game,” said first-year Saints coach Sean Payton, who mostly kept Bush under wraps in four preseason games.
The Browns will face Bush and the Saints shorthanded on defense. Starting free safety Brian Russell is doubtful after undergoing minor surgery on his elbow last week, and cornerback Daylon McCutcheon is out following knee surgery.
Also, Baxter will be playing for the first time since straining a pectoral muscle in Cleveland's exhibition opener.
Browns coach Romeo Crennel compared Bush to Marshall Faulk, the currently inactive running back who could do it all.
“He's able to line up out of the backfield and catch the ball,” Crennel said. “He's able to reverse his field and make people miss. I'm not saying he's Marshall Faulk, but when you prepare for him, I think you have to take that into consideration.”
The Saints will try to find mismatches against Bush, hoping to get him one-on-one against some unlucky linebacker or cornerback. Crennel, too, is worried about the Browns getting so caught up in stopping Bush that McAllister runs free or Brees and wide receiver Joe Horns burn Cleveland deep.
“We're getting ready for him (Bush) to be anywhere and everywhere,” he said. “We cannot focus totally on Reggie. You can't put all of those eggs into the Bush basket.”
So how do the Browns stop Bush. Wide receiver Braylon Edwards offered a game plan.
“You hit him in the mouth on every play,” he said.
If you can catch him.
Bush has Browns on high alert
By Tom Withers
ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:31 p.m. September 6, 2006
BEREA, Ohio – “Stop Bush!” is the cry in Cleveland this week, and it's got nothing to do with politics or Iraq.
As they gear up for their season opener against the New Orleans Saints, the Browns are devising ways of stopping – or at least slowing down – Reggie Bush, the Saints' blur of a rookie running back who will be making his NFL debut.
“He can break one anytime he has the ball in his hands,” Browns defensive tackle Orpheus Roye said. “He's an explosive guy who can make big plays. That's all you saw on TV when he was in college. Reggie Bush this, and Reggie Bush that.”
All-American. Heisman Trophy winner. No. 2 overall pick. Three-time All-American at USC. Bush's resume is stuffed with superlatives, none of which means a thing once the ball is snapped on Sunday.
“This is a whole different league,” Browns cornerback Gary Baxter said. “You have to give him respect for what he did in college, but right now it's a new era for him.”
It will begin against a Cleveland team that yielded 137.6 rushing yards per game last season, the league's third highest average. The Browns plugged holes in their 'D' during the offseason by signing free agent nose tackle Ted Washington and linebacker Willie McGinest.
The first-team defense showed significant improvement against the run during the preseason, but that was the preseason, and the Browns didn't have to contend with any back close to being as fast as Bush.
New Orleans plans to line him up in the backfield by himself as well as alongside Deuce McAllister, the Saints' career rushing leader who missed the final 11 games last season with a knee injury.
In limited playing time, the 6-foot, 203-pound multipurpose jitterbug finished the exhibition season with 10 carries for 102 yards, 44 coming on his second run of the preseason against Tennessee.
On the play, Bush was stopped behind the line of scrimmage before bolting around the left side. With nowhere to go, he cut back to the right, beat two Titans defenders to the edge and turned up field.
It was vintage Bush, who regularly pulled off similar Houdini-like escapes with the Trojans.
“He's special, man,” Saints quarterback Drew Brees said. “He can do so many things. Everything you saw in USC highlights we pretty much see every day. The guy is as physically gifted as anyone I've seen.”
Babatunde Oshinowo was a firsthand witness to several of those Bush breakaways while at Stanford.
“He got outside on us a couple of times and hit some really big runs,” said the Browns rookie, who was signed to the practice squad earlier this week. “Whoever is on the outside has to make him run inside.”
It's that, or watch No. 25 disappear into the distance.
Bush, too, showed he can catch the ball, leading the Saints with 10 receptions during the preseason. And, he'll return punts.
“He is someone you want to make sure is touching it 15 to 20 times per game,” said first-year Saints coach Sean Payton, who mostly kept Bush under wraps in four preseason games.
The Browns will face Bush and the Saints shorthanded on defense. Starting free safety Brian Russell is doubtful after undergoing minor surgery on his elbow last week, and cornerback Daylon McCutcheon is out following knee surgery.
Also, Baxter will be playing for the first time since straining a pectoral muscle in Cleveland's exhibition opener.
Browns coach Romeo Crennel compared Bush to Marshall Faulk, the currently inactive running back who could do it all.
“He's able to line up out of the backfield and catch the ball,” Crennel said. “He's able to reverse his field and make people miss. I'm not saying he's Marshall Faulk, but when you prepare for him, I think you have to take that into consideration.”
The Saints will try to find mismatches against Bush, hoping to get him one-on-one against some unlucky linebacker or cornerback. Crennel, too, is worried about the Browns getting so caught up in stopping Bush that McAllister runs free or Brees and wide receiver Joe Horns burn Cleveland deep.
“We're getting ready for him (Bush) to be anywhere and everywhere,” he said. “We cannot focus totally on Reggie. You can't put all of those eggs into the Bush basket.”
So how do the Browns stop Bush. Wide receiver Braylon Edwards offered a game plan.
“You hit him in the mouth on every play,” he said.
If you can catch him.
OK, if you don't want to read it then don't. Just sharing information for others that might be interested.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
“He is someone you want to make sure is touching it 15 to 20 times per game,” said first-year Saints coach Sean Payton, who mostly kept Bush under wraps in four preseason games.
This is all I need to hear Bush is good for 300 touches this season.
10-12 rushes per game
2-3 punt returns
3-5 receptions
This is all I need to hear Bush is good for 300 touches this season.
10-12 rushes per game
2-3 punt returns
3-5 receptions
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
I also think that with the Trade of Stallworth and Hilton being released that NO is committing to BUSH as their #2 option on passing plays.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him line up opposite Joe Horn at least a couple of times on Sunday.
At USC he add a lot of nice grabs lining up 1-1 with a DB.
I think if you can put Bush in the slot he's even more dangerous.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him line up opposite Joe Horn at least a couple of times on Sunday.
At USC he add a lot of nice grabs lining up 1-1 with a DB.
I think if you can put Bush in the slot he's even more dangerous.
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