I really am not a big fan of Reggie Bush due to his inconsistency and my league only gives .5 pt per reception. I looked at his avg draft position and saw he is being taken in the first round. At the turn or the middle of the second round does this guy become a steal in any league. Just curious because my personal ranking of Bush seems to be way off. Deuce is going to share the load again and that worries since Reggie is going for 1st or 2nd in a 12 team league.
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Reggie Bush at what point is he a steal or a must pick? (1 Viewer)
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The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Nope. Reggie Bush is probably the most overrated running back in the NFL right now. I guess in PPR leagues he has his uses. Other than that he's nothing special. And like you said Deuce Mcallister isn't going anywhere.
PantherPower
Footballguy
I think a few of you didn't watch Reggie Bush over the 2nd half of the season. He's an elite uber talented RB who's easily easily a 1st round pick in PPR leagues. I took him over Gore and LJ at 1.3 and didn't think twice about it in a new dynasty league.
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ceo3west
Footballguy
I think he will be the steal of the draft (even where he's being drafted), and he's on my short list of must-have's this year. Talent always emerges, and his talent is supreme. He won't be held back this year. Even if by some miracle McAllister has the same season he had last year, Bush's touches will increase this year as will his fantasy value. RB turnover in the top 5 happens more frequently than one might think, and he's a legit candidate IMO.
TheWick
Footballguy
Even in 0.5 PPR if he improves any on last years totals (he will if healthy) he'll be top 12 RB. I've got him at185/821 with 7 TDs86/768 with 4 TDs= 266 pts - good enough to be top 10 in that formatlast year he was155/565 with 6 TDs88/742 with 2 TDs= 223I think you are underrating him based on his running performance in the first half last year and massively underrating his catches and recieving yards. No matter if Deuce is getting the ball as much as he did last year or not they will still get the ball in his hands 15-20 times a game and he does wonders with it. I upped his TD totals after seeing him get the ball more in the redzone in the second half of the season. His YPC also was up in the second half (5.1 in final 5 games) and I assume he can't run the ball as bad as he did in the first half last year as he was figuring things out. If you just watch him play you can tell how much faster/quicker he is than everyone else on the field. Payton will make sure he gets the rock you just make sure you draft him if he's there after pick 10.
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Gopher State
Footballguy
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People are taking Bush over T.Henry/in Non PPR leagues, Henry/Portis will out perform him in Non-PPR. Bush is player who's average draft position exceeds his true value in non PPR, I pass on him and go the Portis/Henry route. Does anyone really think NO will change the split on carries based on the success of last year with Bush/Duce? They may talk it, but I wait until I see it on the field.
TheWick
Footballguy
Portis and Betts were sharing quite a bit last year also...you don't think that will continue?very
My only redraft league has only .5 per catch as well. I took him with the last pick of the 2nd round twelve teams and was disappointed. He made adjustments or Payton just figured out how to utilize him better in the 2nd half and I would consider him a must pick at about 15 or so this year. The Saints offense is just too good.
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TheWick
Footballguy
doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
Last year Bush had almost 1400 total yards and 8 TDs. I think that is pretty much his floor, so even in non PPR I can see someone taking him in the Portis/Henry range. I can't fault someone for having Portis/Henry ranked in front of him, but I can't fault someone for having Bush ranked ahead of them, either.veryPeople are taking Bush over T.Henry/in Non PPR leagues, Henry/Portis will out perform him in Non-PPR. Bush is player who's average draft position exceeds his true value in non PPR, I pass on him and go the Portis/Henry route. Does anyone really think NO will change the split on carries based on the success of last year with Bush/Duce? They may talk it, but I wait until I see it on the field.
PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
12 team PPR league picking 10th, Hoping he is still there and no hesitation I am going there. How many times in the professional sports and our FF world do you see an athlete be able to play 2 positions ? (Deon, Magic, Bednarik I am confident in his continued development as a RB as well as WRRush YDS TD 155 565 6 Rec YDS 88 742 For what its worth if you look at his USC stats 04 & 05 he was more productive as a WR than a RB. his 2nd year his RB #'s increased tremendously and his WR #s took a hitYEAR ATT YDS TD REC YDS AVG TD 2004 143 908 6 43 509 11.8 7 2005 200 1740 16 37 478 12.9 2 IMO I see his RB #'s to go up significantly and his WR rec and yds to drop but rec td to increaseAt #10 i think he is a must pick anything further in ppr he is an absolute stealsorry for the #being together kinda drink y and cant figure out how to align it on editor
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Penguin
Footballguy
To answer the OP's question properly I need to add that if Bush is available at the turn in a PPR league I can't see how you could pas on him with either the 1.12 or 2.01, no matter how down on him you are. In standard non PPR leagues if he's there late in the 2nd round I think you'd have to grab him.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
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The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
I don't know about that. He was horrible running the football. Deuce McAllister was a much better rusher (4.3 to 3.6) so I see little to no improvement in terms of rushing yards. Reggie Bush caught 88 passes last season which is an incredibly high number for a running back. That's much more likely to go down than up. I guess he could get more touchdowns than he did last season but Deuce McAllister had more TDs than him and there's no reason to expect more of the same.The Saints are pretty much the same team in 2007 as they were in 2006. Why should I expect much different (particularly better) numbers this year? Because he's "uber-talented"? Sorry that doesn't cut it for me. I don't even like Travis Henry and I'd have no problem drafting him over Reggie Bush. Bush isn't even in the same zipcode as Portis so that's that.Last year Bush had almost 1400 total yards and 8 TDs. I think that is pretty much his floor, so even in non PPR I can see someone taking him in the Portis/Henry range. I can't fault someone for having Portis/Henry ranked in front of him, but I can't fault someone for having Bush ranked ahead of them, either.veryPeople are taking Bush over T.Henry/in Non PPR leagues, Henry/Portis will out perform him in Non-PPR. Bush is player who's average draft position exceeds his true value in non PPR, I pass on him and go the Portis/Henry route. Does anyone really think NO will change the split on carries based on the success of last year with Bush/Duce? They may talk it, but I wait until I see it on the field.
I don't know if it's the commercials or the ESPN Now or whatever but Reggie Bush is getting a ton of hype for a season that wasn't that great. All this hype for a player who isn't even the best running back on his own team. Incredible.
twitch
Footballguy
Im not sure how anyone can think a player of Bush's caliber can NOT improve as a rusher? He's a rare talent with a good football head, and seems committed to doing great things. Its no coincidence that New Orleans was able to turn that team around from drafting 2nd to being a game away from the Superbowl with Bush as a part of that offense. Certainly he wasnt the only reason, but he was a big part of it. He will continue to be a nightmare matchup for defenses, and I have no doubt with just season under his belt, he's going to be vastly improved as an NFL runner.
It would be ideal to get him at some point high to mid 2nd round, but in the right format, I can definitely see good reasoning for him to go late 1st. But bottom line, if he's sitting there undrafted at any point in the 2nd round, I think you've got to take him there. Between his rushing, his receiving, his returning and his overall game breaking ability, he just brings too much to the table to overlook.
It would be ideal to get him at some point high to mid 2nd round, but in the right format, I can definitely see good reasoning for him to go late 1st. But bottom line, if he's sitting there undrafted at any point in the 2nd round, I think you've got to take him there. Between his rushing, his receiving, his returning and his overall game breaking ability, he just brings too much to the table to overlook.
lol I little tired last night and apparently f'ed up too. I took Bush last year with the last pick of the 2nd round. Despite being disappointed overall, Sean Payton and Reggie seemed to really make adjustments and I would not let him slip pasrt pick 15.
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Tau837
Footballguy
To those of you questioning/discussing whether or not he can improve as a rusher, we have already seen him do it. This is my post from the Bush spotlight thread... check out his splits:
In a PPR league, I don't see any basis for not taking him among the top 8 RBs off the board. In a non-PPR league, I can't see letting him fall any further than possibly RB12 or so... and I'd personally take him higher than that.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
I think Bush is always going to be in a two back system. He runs with very little power and was terrible at times between the tackles last year. Duece may be gone after next year due to salary cap reasons, but I think Bush will always play along side a power back. I do think Bush's receiving numbers could be freakish. He has a chance to crack 1k he he takes a step up this year. This season will be telling.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Who was the last Rookie RB to crack the top 10 in FF before Reggie Bush?
LT2?
LT2?
trader jake
Footballguy
Agreed. At the turn he would be real difficult to pass up on as a RB2.
duaneok66
Footballguy
doubt he lasts to late in the 2nd in any draft . . .
Jayrod
Footballguy
Ever hear of Maurice Jones-Drew?It happens on a regular basis.
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In non-PPR leagues, Reggie was not in the top 10, he finished 17th.
Excluding MJD?And he wasn't top 10. But yes, MJD is a stud. Thansks for sharing.
CalBear
Footballguy
Bush rushed for 4.8 yards per carry in the second half of the season. This year he is very likely to be closer to 4.8 than 3.6.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
In PPR scoring, Bush is fantasy gold. He is worthy of a top 5 pick. In non-PPR scoring, I think he is borderline top 12. Guys like Edge, McGahee, MJD, Portis, and even Benson may outscore him. Deuce may even continue to put up better numbers just like last year.
Last year the top 10 RB's in non-PPR scoring averaged around 50 receptions. Bush had 89. Only SJax had more. So in order to justify his current ADP in non-PPR, Bush would need to increase his base scoring from last year by around 20%, plus find a way to make up the 40 point difference in receptions. That's over 70 points total. If he does this, he would probably finish top 8 in non-PPR. But I don't think he can do it while sharing a backfield with Deuce.
Last year the top 10 RB's in non-PPR scoring averaged around 50 receptions. Bush had 89. Only SJax had more. So in order to justify his current ADP in non-PPR, Bush would need to increase his base scoring from last year by around 20%, plus find a way to make up the 40 point difference in receptions. That's over 70 points total. If he does this, he would probably finish top 8 in non-PPR. But I don't think he can do it while sharing a backfield with Deuce.
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