Reggie Bush > Cadillac Williams (1 Viewer)

[gocats]

I dont get why everyone sees Bush getting 1000 yds

Cadillac Williams

5-11 210

4.46 40

Injuries

o Fractured Fibula

o 2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

o Fractured his left clavicle vs. Alabama (11/17), sitting out the Louisiana State and Peach Bowl clash vs. North Carolina

o Injuried through most of rookie season owners were only to get very few starts

Reggie Bush

6-0 200 lbs

4.33 40

o Led team to 3 NC games

o Hiesman Trophy winner best RB prospect to come out in years

o No injury history

How can anyone say Caddy is in the same league as Bush? Bush had a much better college career, won two NCs, is the better prospect with a far superior workout, has no history of injuries, is on a team with a better offensive line. How can anyone even argue with me that Caddy diserves to be rated higher than Bush in a redraft this year?

Bottom line:

Bush = 1350 yds 7 tds 400 rec 2 Tds

book it.

 

[EBF]

I dont get why everyone sees Bush getting 1000 yds

Cadillac Williams

5-11 210

4.46 40

Injuries

o Fractured Fibula

o 2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

o Fractured his left clavicle vs. Alabama (11/17), sitting out the Louisiana State and Peach Bowl clash vs. North Carolina

o Injuried through most of rookie season owners were only to get very few starts

Reggie Bush

6-0 200 lbs

4.33 40

o Led team to 3 NC games

o Hiesman Trophy winner best RB prospect to come out in years

o No injury history

How can anyone say Caddy is in the same league as Bush, Bush has a much better college career, winning two NCs, is the better prospect with a far superior workout, has no history of injuries, how can anyone even argue with me that Caddy diserves to be rated higher than Bush in a redraft this year?

I mostly agree with you, although I think there's a clear distinction for redraft purposes:- Williams will be his team's primary RB, whereas Bush will probably lose 5-10 touches per game to McAllister.

I was one of the biggest Cadillac supporters on these boards last year, but there's no doubt in my mind that Bush is the superior athlete, prospect, and football player. That said, I don't think it's a stretch to take Caddy over Bush in a redraft. Dynasty might be another story.

 

[gocats]

I dont get why everyone sees Bush getting 1000 yds

Cadillac Williams

5-11 210

4.46 40

Injuries

o Fractured Fibula

o 2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

o Fractured his left clavicle vs. Alabama (11/17), sitting out the Louisiana State and Peach Bowl clash vs. North Carolina

o Injuried through most of rookie season owners were only to get very few starts

Reggie Bush

6-0 200 lbs

4.33 40

o Led team to 3 NC games

o Hiesman Trophy winner best RB prospect to come out in years

o No injury history

How can anyone say Caddy is in the same league as Bush, Bush has a much better college career, winning two NCs, is the better prospect with a far superior workout, has no history of injuries, how can anyone even argue with me that Caddy diserves to be rated higher than Bush in a redraft this year?

I mostly agree with you, although I think there's a clear distinction for redraft purposes:- Williams will be his team's primary RB, whereas Bush will probably lose 5-10 touches per game to McAllister.

I was one of the biggest Cadillac supporters on these boards last year, but there's no doubt in my mind that Bush is the superior athlete, prospect, and football player. That said, I don't think it's a stretch to take Caddy over Bush in a redraft. Dynasty might be another story.

Edge and Jamal Lewis are the backs that came back the best from an ACL injury that I can remember and it took both of them a year before they were close to the backs they were befor the injury. I would stay away from Duece this year. Last I heard he still was having swelling in his knee. And its not like Deuce was lighting it up before the injury The way I see it:Bush > Caddy

NO oline > TB oline

Pittman + Alstott > McCallister

 

[Ozymandias]

Who is this Reggie Bush of whom you speak?

Have I heard of him?

 

[stanmarino13]

College is one thing and the pros are another, so caddy does have the fact that hes competed in the pros and done rather well. As for the Saints line being better then the Bucs line I'd say they are pretty even.

 

[dudaman]

Before we even see him set on the field?

 

[NoFBinLA]

Be interesting to see how this plays out. Many were surprised by Caddy - hell I drafted him in several leagues and was still surprised by him.

Bush - no matter how good in college - has a lot to live up to if he wants to get at what caddy did last year. And the opportunity might not be there if Deuce is healthy.

 

[Footballhead]

It all depends on what kind of talent you have around you. Was LT highly touted coming out from TCU? Reggie had world of talent around him at USC, I'm not saying that he's not talented at all. He has very good vision, but in NFL most of the holes that he will see open, will close on him quicker than he can say "weapons of mass destruction". The question that I have is can Reggie fight for the hard yards like Caddy? I don't think so.

 

[MagicMan]

The kid has not played a down in the NFL yet.

 

[Capella]

but there's no doubt in my mind that Bush is the superior athlete, prospect, and football player.

This is just a tad bit much. Caddy was the 5th pick in the draft, an extremely high-rated prospect and then rushed for about 1200 yards in his rookie season while missing 3 games.Seriously, some of you people need to get a grip on Reggie here. He'd be pretty fortunate to have the rookie season Caddy did.

 

[cstu]

Injurieso Fractured Fibulao 2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle spraino Fractured his left clavicle vs. Alabama (11/17), sitting out the Louisiana State and Peach Bowl clash vs. North Carolinao Injuried through most of rookie season owners were only to get very few starts

All non-serious injuries (from a longevity perspective) and it shows that he's tough and can battle through injuries. What has Bush battled through?

 

[Capella]

o 2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

at sitting out a game against Ole Miss, 5 years ago, in his freshman season as a knock against the guy.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

o 2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

at sitting out a game against Ole Miss, 5 years ago, in his freshman season as a knock against the guy.

I don't really follow the OP's logic in this thread but to be fair in the post you're quoting, Deuce was very readily regarded as injury prone coming out of college and it was far and away the biggest knock against him.

 

[cstu]

o 2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

at sitting out a game against Ole Miss, 5 years ago, in his freshman season as a knock against the guy.

I don't really follow the OP's logic in this thread but to be fair in the post you're quoting, Deuce was very readily regarded as injury prone coming out of college and it was far and away the biggest knock against him.

Deuce blew out his knee in college - much different that the injuries Cadillac has had.

 

[J-Money]

NO oline > TB oline

Didn't NO lose 2 starting o-linemen? i can see tb's o-line being more solid this year

 

[EBF]

but there's no doubt in my mind that Bush is the superior athlete, prospect, and football player.

This is just a tad bit much. Caddy was the 5th pick in the draft, an extremely high-rated prospect and then rushed for about 1200 yards in his rookie season while missing 3 games.Seriously, some of you people need to get a grip on Reggie here. He'd be pretty fortunate to have the rookie season Caddy did.

Bush was better in every statistical category in college and had much better workout numbers. As good as Caddy was, he was never in serious consideration for the #1 overall pick. Like I said, I like Caddy, but there's no doubt in my mind that Bush is the better prospect. The only area where Williams has an advantage is power. Bush more than makes up for that difference with his superior speed, quickness, and hands.

 

[slayer666]

The kid has not played a down in the NFL yet.

The kid has not signed a NFL contract yet either.

 

[DropKick]

Seriously, why do you care if Bush or Caddy is ranked higher? My own rankings always differ from the general consensus (thankfully).

As someone else said, the key is "redraft". In these leagues, people don't expect a huge rookie contribution. Potential takes a back seat immediate production. Sure, a rookie COULD explode ala Randy Moss but it is the exception, not the rule.

Caddy is the clear starter. At this time, Bush is RBBC and there are several unknowns regarding Bush. How many touches per game will Bush get? How will he adjust to the faster and more balanced (talent wise) pro game? How will he hold up over a longer season? How will he react to his sudden riches? Normally, I wouldn't bring up character but the guy has become a regular media topic lately.

No real surprise to the choice of Caddy of Bush in a redraft. But, hey, you don't have to draft according to rankings.

 

[Blackjacks]

I think it's funny how everyone says how tough Caddy is so tough but I'd rather have a guy that avoids hits so I don't miss him for a couple of games. I agree Bush is the superior talent now how that transfer tot he NFL is another thing. I wouldn't think 1500 total yards and about 7 td's would be a crazy thought at all.

 

[ImTheScientist]

o  2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

at sitting out a game against Ole Miss, 5 years ago, in his freshman season as a knock against the guy.

His freshman year of High School he had a ankle sprain......I think I may bump him from 10 in my rankings to 32.

 

[jurb26]

o 2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

at sitting out a game against Ole Miss, 5 years ago, in his freshman season as a knock against the guy.

I would think that he simply copy and pasted the injury write ups in the players profiles somewhere. Not sure why you're making a big deal about it.

 

[gzilla]

o  2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

at sitting out a game against Ole Miss, 5 years ago, in his freshman season as a knock against the guy.

I don't really follow the OP's logic in this thread but to be fair in the post you're quoting, Deuce was very readily regarded as injury prone coming out of college and it was far and away the biggest knock against him.

Deuce blew out his knee in college - much different that the injuries Cadillac has had.

Deuce blew out his knee in college? So, this is his 2nd ACL injury?

 

[gzilla]

o  2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

at sitting out a game against Ole Miss, 5 years ago, in his freshman season as a knock against the guy.

I don't really follow the OP's logic in this thread but to be fair in the post you're quoting, Deuce was very readily regarded as injury prone coming out of college and it was far and away the biggest knock against him.

Deuce blew out his knee in college - much different that the injuries Cadillac has had.

Deuce blew out his knee in college? So, this is his 2nd ACL injury?

I didn't think Deuce blew out his knee. http://olemisssports.cstv.com/sports/m-foo...er_deuce00.html

 

[Capella]

o  2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

at sitting out a game against Ole Miss, 5 years ago, in his freshman season as a knock against the guy.

I would think that he simply copy and pasted the injury write ups in the players profiles somewhere. Not sure why you're making a big deal about it.

Because it's a ridiculous thing to post when trying to make an argument.

 

[Baracuda]

Deuce definitely did not tear his ACL in college. His first tear was last year.

 

[Aaronur]

Why is everyone talking about all the talent around Bush. If I remember correctly, it was about 2 years ago now, but Auburn was a pretty good football team with a few 1st draft picks. And wasn't it a big deal that they got squeezed out of the NC game against USC. Bottom line is the fact the Reggie played on a good team in College doesn't mean he can't produce, Williams and Brown in the backfield is a lot like Bush and White IMO.

I would rather have Williams in a Redraft because I like the proven product and Williams has proven that he is the man in TB and that he can produce.

 

[el-gato-grande]

NO oline > TB oline

Didn't NO lose 2 starting o-linemen? i can see tb's o-line being more solid this year

Yeah, including LeCharles Bentley who was handling all of their line calls and adjustments. Here is an article from back in April. Sounds like a mess to me. Saints offensive line a work in progress

10:29 PM CDT on Saturday, April 8, 2006

Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS — About all the New Orleans Saints know about their offensive line right now is that Jammal Brown will start at left tackle. The rest is a work in progress.

Three starters from last year's line are gone and the team has brought in only one new lineman, though first-year coach Sean Payton said between minicamp practices Saturday that more will be coming.

"We're struggling right now just in this mini-camp at getting the reps without double-dutying a lot of guys," he said. "So as we go here we'll address that and make sure when we go into training camp our numbers are where we have at least two groups. We're aware of who's left. We've made some changes already. A couple of guys who can't go are forcing others to go double-duty."

Brown was moved from right tackle on the eve of minicamp after last year's left tackle, Wayne Gandy, was traded to Atlanta. Also gone from last year's starting line are center LeCharles Bentley, who signed as a free agent with Cleveland, and left guard Kendyl Jacox, who was released.

Center Jon Goodwin was signed as a free agent from the Jets. Guards Montrae Holland, who is a restricted free agent but is expected to accept the team's one-year tender offer, and Jermane Mayberry, are limited by injury.

If the season were about to begin, New Orleans likely would start Brown at left tackle, Holland at left guard, Goodwin at center, Mayberry at right guard and Jon Stinchcomb at right tackle with utility player Jamar Nesbit being the top backup. But there's plenty of time for everything, except for Brown's position, to change.

"The offensive line is kind of mixed up right now," Holland said. "Wherever they put me I'll play. Nobody knows where they fit. Everybody is trying to figure out about the new coaching staff, how they're going to put things together, what kind of plan they've got. We don't know which direction we're headed yet."

The Saints traded up three spots to the 13th position in the first round of last year's draft to make Brown the first offensive lineman selected.

"He's a big, strong guy who's got athleticism," Payton said. "He's a young player who adjusted quickly in his first year on the right side. I'm sure everyone who identified Jammal in the draft didn't identify him to be the 13th pick in the draft to be the right tackle down the road.

"When you deal with a player of his ability and he shows you that he can play at that level, I think you look at the flexibility he may give you and go from there. He's got a lot to learn on the left side and he knows that."

Brown started as a defensive lineman at Oklahoma, then moved to offense and went on to win the 2005 Outland Trophy as the nation's best blocker.

"If you think about it, it's kind of a compliment," Brown said of the move. "Usually the best guy protects the blind side of the quarterback, so I just take it as a challenge and a way to better help the team. It's going to be good for me. I'm just learning different techniques."

Stinchcomb, a second-round draft choice three years ago, was a backup his first two seasons before missing all of last season with a knee injury.

"Any time you're not out there playing, you work at every position so it's not going to be much of a jump for me," Stinchcomb said. "Once I get a feel for it, everything will fall back into place."

 

[Chaos]

40 times are not meaningless but they are far less indicative of RB performance than people make out.

Short burst and power play a much larger role in 95% of the run plays. Only a handfull of plays really can take advantage of the difference between 4.3 and 4.46.

Give me Emmit Smith and his slow 40 time, power, vision and burst over Trung Candidate and his 4.3 40 speed.

Reggie Bush has the chance to be something special but he has a some serious questions that he'll have to answer coming into the NFL.

His vision in college was spectacular. Will it continue when the players and the game are moving at warp speed.

Even the CBs in the NFL can open field tackle. Can he shed tacklers when he has to? He can't always avoid them.

HE did not carry the mail at USC and most likely will not in NO either. However, CAN HE is the question. I'll be waiting for his first 30 carry game just to see how he handles it. ( I don't expect there will be many of these)

 

[fsufan]

o Led team to 3 NC games

he did have some help

 

[mbuehner]

Reggie Bush

6-0 200 lbs

4.33 40

o Led team to 3 NC games

o Hiesman Trophy winner best RB prospect to come out in years

o No injury history

Tweaked his hammy in mini-camp. Stop the presses. The guy is 'injury prone' just like Caddy. Time to start a new thread on why Laurence Maroney is > Caddy and Bush?

 

[P Boy]

Well, right now I know for a fact that only 1 of the 2 can play successfully in the NFL.

Besides, Bush figures to miss time this coming season when he has to go to Rome to get canonized by the Pope.

 

[Sabertooth]

but there's no doubt in my mind that Bush is the superior athlete, prospect, and football player.

This is just a tad bit much. Caddy was the 5th pick in the draft, an extremely high-rated prospect and then rushed for about 1200 yards in his rookie season while missing 3 games.Seriously, some of you people need to get a grip on Reggie here. He'd be pretty fortunate to have the rookie season Caddy did.

I agree with both of these statements Capella. Bush is the better athlete, prospect, and player. However, he will be fortunate to have the rookie season that Caddy did. A lot went right for Caddy, but we also saw his flaws (injuries, not being able to carry the load for a full season). I don't think those are mutually exclusive statements at all. Bush is the best prospect at running back since Barry in my opinion. But he's just that, a prospect. If I had to choose today, which player - I'd say Caddy. However I'd not be in the least bit surprised to be totally wrong.

 

[Sabertooth]

Well, right now I know for a fact that only 1 of the 2 can play successfully in the NFL.

Besides, Bush figures to miss time this coming season when he has to go to Rome to get canonized by the Pope.

Good point. Let's not forget about the knocks on Caddy last season either, that TB had a horrible offensive line. Funny how a talented back can make a line look so much better. It's interesting. I am leaning toward Caddy right now, but I'd settle for Bush as my RB2 in a heartbeat. I am hoping my main redraft falls this way with me holding the 6 spot.

Maybe take Tiki or somebody in that range in round 1 and Bush in the second.

 

[Double_J]

I dont get why everyone sees Bush getting 1000 yds

Cadillac Williams

5-11 210

4.46 40

Injuries

o Fractured Fibula

o 2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

o Fractured his left clavicle vs. Alabama (11/17), sitting out the Louisiana State and Peach Bowl clash vs. North Carolina

o Injuried through most of rookie season owners were only to get very few starts

Reggie Bush

6-0 200 lbs

4.33 40

o Led team to 3 NC games

o Hiesman Trophy winner best RB prospect to come out in years

o No injury history

How can anyone say Caddy is in the same league as Bush? Bush had a much better college career, won two NCs, is the better prospect with a far superior workout, has no history of injuries, is on a team with a better offensive line. How can anyone even argue with me that Caddy diserves to be rated higher than Bush in a redraft this year?

Bottom line:

Bush = 1350 yds 7 tds 400 rec 2 Tds

book it.

That would be 2 NC games and 1 NC......just saying.

 

[Sabertooth]

I dont get why everyone sees Bush getting 1000 yds

Cadillac Williams

5-11 210

4.46 40

Injuries

o  Fractured Fibula

o  2001 -- Sat out the Mississippi game (10/6) with a left ankle sprain

o Fractured his left clavicle vs. Alabama (11/17), sitting out the Louisiana State and Peach Bowl clash vs. North Carolina

o Injuried through most of rookie season owners were only to get very few starts

Reggie Bush

6-0 200 lbs

4.33 40

o Led team to 3 NC games

o  Hiesman Trophy winner best RB prospect to come out in years

o  No injury history

How can anyone say Caddy is in the same league as Bush? Bush had a much better college career, won two NCs, is the better prospect with a far superior workout, has no history of injuries, is on a team with a better offensive line.  How can anyone even argue with me that Caddy diserves to be rated higher than Bush in a redraft this year?

Bottom line:

Bush = 1350 yds 7 tds 400 rec 2 Tds

book it.

That would be 2 NC games and 1 NC......just saying.

Also, I'd say Leinart "led" them.