Reggie Bush Flying up the charts (1 Viewer)

[theToes]

I'm in a 12 team redraft and I am trying not to make this a who do I draft post. I'm more interested in what others see Bush's value being.

qb

2 rb

2 wr

TE

K D

All td's 6

1 pt/25 yds rush/pass/rec

1 ppr

In the latest VBD Bush is 8th according to this scoring.

I have the 12th pick Would it be completly insane to take Bush, along with another RB?(Bush, Rudi\Jordan)

Or does Deuce contribute just enough to be a Williams /Brown situation?

Thoughts?

 

[joffer]

try here

 

[Rounders]

Funny, I had a fellow owner just call me and ask me a similar question. We are 10 team league and in the latest VBD app Bush is 10.

My buddy asked if he's crazy to think about him in the 2nd (13th overall)

It seems that his hype is growing. It will be interesting to see him in his next pre-season game.

I have to think that Bush would be an ideal pick in the 20-25 range. I think that relying on him to be your RB1 is dangerous, but he could be a good to great RB2.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think he is a fine pick at the turn and anywhere thereafter. Higher than that, I would need a little more convincing.

 

[golfguy]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

 

[BoulderBob]

If you really want the guy on your team, RB economics be damned, you will probably have to take him in the early second round.

 

[Moniker]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

I agree. There is no way I take this guy before the 3rd round, at the earliest.

 

[dgreen]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

He had more than one nice run. Not saying that justifies anything, just saying he looked good the other night. I'm anxious to see him again Monday night.

 

[JerseyPaul]

It should be noted that Bush's high VBD rating is based on Dodds' projections. Of all the FBG staffers that do rankings, Dodds has Bush rated the highest. He has him about 9 spots better than the FBG "average".

That's not to say the DD is wrong, but just keep in mind the fact it is not FBG staff with that VBD value, it is FBG VBD voice. At the other extreme, for example, is Maurile Tremblay who has Reggie Bush at 50 points less than Dodds (with PPR).

Dodds' value puts him at the end of the 1st round. Tremblay's put him toward the end of the 3rd round, maybe 4th. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between, which accounts for Bush's current ADP of about 3.04 in PPR 12 team leagues.

Being right on this one could be key as any pick in the first 3 rounds needs to pull his weight. You could have real "value" if David's projections are close or you could start off playing catch up if Maurile is right.

 

[Neo]

It should be noted that Bush's high VBD rating is based on Dodds' projections. Of all the FBG staffers that do rankings, Dodds has Bush rated the highest. He has him about 9 spots better than the FBG "average". That's not to say the DD is wrong, but just keep in mind the fact it is not FBG staff with that VBD value, it is FBG VBD voice. At the other extreme, for example, is Maurile Tremblay who has Reggie Bush at 50 points less than Dodds (with PPR).Dodds' value puts him at the end of the 1st round. Tremblay's put him toward the end of the 3rd round, maybe 4th. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between, which accounts for Bush's current ADP of about 3.04 in PPR 12 team leagues. Being right on this one could be key as any pick in the first 3 rounds needs to pull his weight. You could have real "value" if David's projections are close or you could start off playing catch up if Maurile is right.

I often wondered, shouldn't the top ranking and the bottom ranking be excluded from the overall ranking?

 

[joffer]

It should be noted that Bush's high VBD rating is based on Dodds' projections. Of all the FBG staffers that do rankings, Dodds has Bush rated the highest. He has him about 9 spots better than the FBG "average". That's not to say the DD is wrong, but just keep in mind the fact it is not FBG staff with that VBD value, it is FBG VBD voice. At the other extreme, for example, is Maurile Tremblay who has Reggie Bush at 50 points less than Dodds (with PPR).Dodds' value puts him at the end of the 1st round. Tremblay's put him toward the end of the 3rd round, maybe 4th. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between, which accounts for Bush's current ADP of about 3.04 in PPR 12 team leagues. Being right on this one could be key as any pick in the first 3 rounds needs to pull his weight. You could have real "value" if David's projections are close or you could start off playing catch up if Maurile is right.

I often wondered, shouldn't the top ranking and the bottom ranking be excluded from the overall ranking?

doing that would move his ranking up:wimer:

 

[Spartans Rule]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

He had more than one nice run. Not saying that justifies anything, just saying he looked good the other night. I'm anxious to see him again Monday night.

Reggie Bush is simply moving back up the rankings to where he should have been all along.I think there's been a lot of overemphasis on his situation and how many opportunities he'll get, etc. all off season. Then he steps back on the field and everyone remembers how ridiculously good the guy is.If Reggie Bush is as great as the hype, and I believe that he is, he'll create his own opportunity and leave Deuce in the dust.

 

[steviey]

It should be noted that Bush's high VBD rating is based on Dodds' projections. Of all the FBG staffers that do rankings, Dodds has Bush rated the highest. He has him about 9 spots better than the FBG "average". That's not to say the DD is wrong, but just keep in mind the fact it is not FBG staff with that VBD value, it is FBG VBD voice. At the other extreme, for example, is Maurile Tremblay who has Reggie Bush at 50 points less than Dodds (with PPR).Dodds' value puts him at the end of the 1st round. Tremblay's put him toward the end of the 3rd round, maybe 4th. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between, which accounts for Bush's current ADP of about 3.04 in PPR 12 team leagues. Being right on this one could be key as any pick in the first 3 rounds needs to pull his weight. You could have real "value" if David's projections are close or you could start off playing catch up if Maurile is right.

Hey JP, this might be a dumb question but where are you getting the individual staff member rankings for PPR leagues? TIA.

 

[oukurt]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

He had more than one nice run. Not saying that justifies anything, just saying he looked good the other night. I'm anxious to see him again Monday night.

No it was one nice run as the bulk of his yards.RB1? No way. RB2 I will take him. Too dangerous for 1st round and probably 3rd round material that will go in the 2nd round of almost every draft you are in.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

It should be noted that Bush's high VBD rating is based on Dodds' projections. Of all the FBG staffers that do rankings, Dodds has Bush rated the highest. He has him about 9 spots better than the FBG "average". That's not to say the DD is wrong, but just keep in mind the fact it is not FBG staff with that VBD value, it is FBG VBD voice. At the other extreme, for example, is Maurile Tremblay who has Reggie Bush at 50 points less than Dodds (with PPR).Dodds' value puts him at the end of the 1st round. Tremblay's put him toward the end of the 3rd round, maybe 4th. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between, which accounts for Bush's current ADP of about 3.04 in PPR 12 team leagues. Being right on this one could be key as any pick in the first 3 rounds needs to pull his weight. You could have real "value" if David's projections are close or you could start off playing catch up if Maurile is right.

I often wondered, shouldn't the top ranking and the bottom ranking be excluded from the overall ranking?

doing that would move his ranking up:wimer:

No, it would move him down...but I think there is a joke there I didn't get.

 

[RabidRabbit]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

He had more than one nice run. Not saying that justifies anything, just saying he looked good the other night. I'm anxious to see him again Monday night.

Reggie Bush is simply moving back up the rankings to where he should have been all along.I think there's been a lot of overemphasis on his situation and how many opportunities he'll get, etc. all off season. Then he steps back on the field and everyone remembers how ridiculously good the guy is.If Reggie Bush is as great as the hype, and I believe that he is, he'll create his own opportunity and leave Deuce in the dust.

When ever you have a panel of experts you should throw a couple at the top and a couple at the bottom just in case their is someone with a man-crush on a player or a guy who just won't give a guy any respect.Taking Bush in the first 2 rounds is a little premature I think. 3rd yes, grab him. If you miss out, you miss out. This guy is not going to be a TD machine, so no worry you are missing out on a top 5 or even a top 8 back.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

It should be noted that Bush's high VBD rating is based on Dodds' projections. Of all the FBG staffers that do rankings, Dodds has Bush rated the highest. He has him about 9 spots better than the FBG "average". That's not to say the DD is wrong, but just keep in mind the fact it is not FBG staff with that VBD value, it is FBG VBD voice. At the other extreme, for example, is Maurile Tremblay who has Reggie Bush at 50 points less than Dodds (with PPR).Dodds' value puts him at the end of the 1st round. Tremblay's put him toward the end of the 3rd round, maybe 4th. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between, which accounts for Bush's current ADP of about 3.04 in PPR 12 team leagues. Being right on this one could be key as any pick in the first 3 rounds needs to pull his weight. You could have real "value" if David's projections are close or you could start off playing catch up if Maurile is right.

Hey JP, this might be a dumb question but where are you getting the individual staff member rankings for PPR leagues? TIA.

 

[softball]

Why is it so hard to believe he will be great right away? better than a guy like McGahee who has limited supporting cast, or even LaMont with a lower than average supporting cast? Your FF team should be dynamic, and Bush can add that to your team....

He's fast, he appears to be big enough and he has opportunity. What else is there?

 

[dgreen]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

He had more than one nice run. Not saying that justifies anything, just saying he looked good the other night. I'm anxious to see him again Monday night.

No it was one nice run as the bulk of his yards.

Would you feel better about him if he didn't have that one long run?He had 8 touches. I saw every one of them. I'd say he really showed me something on at least 4 or 5 of those touches.

 

[dgreen]

Why is it so hard to believe he will be great right away? better than a guy like McGahee who has limited supporting cast, or even LaMont with a lower than average supporting cast? Your FF team should be dynamic, and Bush can add that to your team....He's fast, he appears to be big enough and he has opportunity. What else is there?

The fullness of his opportunity THIS YEAR is my only question.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Why is it so hard to believe he will be great right away? better than a guy like McGahee who has limited supporting cast, or even LaMont with a lower than average supporting cast? Your FF team should be dynamic, and Bush can add that to your team....He's fast, he appears to be big enough and he has opportunity. What else is there?

Actually, the consensus is now saying just that. Bush is going to R1 on a bullet train of late.

 

[steviey]

It should be noted that Bush's high VBD rating is based on Dodds' projections. Of all the FBG staffers that do rankings, Dodds has Bush rated the highest. He has him about 9 spots better than the FBG "average". That's not to say the DD is wrong, but just keep in mind the fact it is not FBG staff with that VBD value, it is FBG VBD voice. At the other extreme, for example, is Maurile Tremblay who has Reggie Bush at 50 points less than Dodds (with PPR).Dodds' value puts him at the end of the 1st round. Tremblay's put him toward the end of the 3rd round, maybe 4th. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between, which accounts for Bush's current ADP of about 3.04 in PPR 12 team leagues. Being right on this one could be key as any pick in the first 3 rounds needs to pull his weight. You could have real "value" if David's projections are close or you could start off playing catch up if Maurile is right.

Hey JP, this might be a dumb question but where are you getting the individual staff member rankings for PPR leagues? TIA.

Just looking at the staff rankings on the home page. Doesn't specify if they are ppr or not. Doesn't look like they are. That's all. Carry on.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

It should be noted that Bush's high VBD rating is based on Dodds' projections. Of all the FBG staffers that do rankings, Dodds has Bush rated the highest. He has him about 9 spots better than the FBG "average". That's not to say the DD is wrong, but just keep in mind the fact it is not FBG staff with that VBD value, it is FBG VBD voice. At the other extreme, for example, is Maurile Tremblay who has Reggie Bush at 50 points less than Dodds (with PPR).Dodds' value puts him at the end of the 1st round. Tremblay's put him toward the end of the 3rd round, maybe 4th. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between, which accounts for Bush's current ADP of about 3.04 in PPR 12 team leagues. Being right on this one could be key as any pick in the first 3 rounds needs to pull his weight. You could have real "value" if David's projections are close or you could start off playing catch up if Maurile is right.

Hey JP, this might be a dumb question but where are you getting the individual staff member rankings for PPR leagues? TIA.

Just looking at the staff rankings on the home page. Doesn't specify if they are ppr or not. Doesn't look like they are. That's all. Carry on.

They aren't, but if you can get JP to do it for us, that'd be great. I was with you on it.

 

[theToes]

I just did a qick calculation using the current VBD for the scoring I said in the 1 st post

Picking 12th overall in a 12 team league

1:12 Rudi

2:01 Reggie

3:12 Chambers

4:01 Driver

705 pts

1:12 Rudi

2:01 Holt

3:12 Dunn

4:01 Driver

697 pts

 

[steviey]

It should be noted that Bush's high VBD rating is based on Dodds' projections. Of all the FBG staffers that do rankings, Dodds has Bush rated the highest. He has him about 9 spots better than the FBG "average". That's not to say the DD is wrong, but just keep in mind the fact it is not FBG staff with that VBD value, it is FBG VBD voice. At the other extreme, for example, is Maurile Tremblay who has Reggie Bush at 50 points less than Dodds (with PPR).Dodds' value puts him at the end of the 1st round. Tremblay's put him toward the end of the 3rd round, maybe 4th. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between, which accounts for Bush's current ADP of about 3.04 in PPR 12 team leagues. Being right on this one could be key as any pick in the first 3 rounds needs to pull his weight. You could have real "value" if David's projections are close or you could start off playing catch up if Maurile is right.

Hey JP, this might be a dumb question but where are you getting the individual staff member rankings for PPR leagues? TIA.

Just looking at the staff rankings on the home page. Doesn't specify if they are ppr or not. Doesn't look like they are. That's all. Carry on.

They aren't, but if you can get JP to do it for us, that'd be great. I was with you on it.

No worries. My next guess was that you have to take the projections and do it manually. I've just been looking for differentiated staff ppr rankings and thought it was just me that couldn't find them. I know what the ppr rankings are with the DD for my league but an interesting point was raised that those projections are only from one person.

 

[(HULK)]

I just did a qick calculation using the current VBD for the scoring I said in the 1 st post

Picking 12th overall in a 12 team league

1:12 Rudi

2:01 Reggie

3:12 Chambers

4:01 Driver

705 pts

1:12 Rudi

2:01 Holt

3:12 Dunn

4:01 Driver

697 pts

That is a solid core.I really like pairing a remarkably dependable guy like Rudi with Bush.

 

[BoomBoom]

In my auction last Sunday, I got Bush for $25 ($200 cap).

We start 1QB/2RB/3WR/1FLEX(RB/WR)/TE/K/DEF.

Standard scoring, including 1 ppr.

I snagged LJ @ $66, Bush @ $25, Dunn @ $22, then some other gambles like Chris Brown for $5, D. Williams for $7, and even Marion Barber for $1.

He was the 19th most expensive RB in our auction. Just to give you an idea of the guys around him, here you go:

Kevin Jones 32

Chester Taylor 32

Dominic Rhodes 27

Jamal Lewis 26

Reggie Bush 25

Julius Jones 25

DeShaun Foster 23

Willie Parker 22

Warrick Dunn 22

With LJ and Dunn, I felt like it was worth the risk to use Bush as my flex player. He should at least catch enough balls to put up decent points each week.

 

[Judge Smails]

Bush is red hot right now and I would be willing to be we'll see him going in a lot of 12/13 turns from here on out. Sexy pick, and a lot of owners want to be able to say "I told you so" later on. I'm convinced that he has no shot of falling to me at 24/25. I had pretty much made up my mind that I would pair him with the top rated WR on the board. LJ/Bush/Boldin would have been a nice start. I'm just hoping that WR's fall to me now...

 

[longlip]

i have 12th pick in a ppr league and have been considering going caddy or rudi and bush, just cant convince myself to do it but i do love bush.....i believe he will warrrant the pic when its all said and done..

 

[BoomBoom]

Bush is red hot right now and I would be willing to be we'll see him going in a lot of 12/13 turns from here on out. Sexy pick, and a lot of owners want to be able to say "I told you so" later on. I'm convinced that he has no shot of falling to me at 24/25. I had pretty much made up my mind that I would pair him with the top rated WR on the board. LJ/Bush/Boldin would have been a nice start. I'm just hoping that WR's fall to me now...

I had the same plan, but auction (see post right above yours). Wanted a top RB and WR to pair with Bush, and I was able to nab LJ/Bush/Fitzgerald, and still secured solid players later on in Dunn, TJ Housh, Galloway, etc.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Bush is red hot right now and I would be willing to be we'll see him going in a lot of 12/13 turns from here on out. Sexy pick, and a lot of owners want to be able to say "I told you so" later on. I'm convinced that he has no shot of falling to me at 24/25. I had pretty much made up my mind that I would pair him with the top rated WR on the board. LJ/Bush/Boldin would have been a nice start. I'm just hoping that WR's fall to me now...

But saying "I told you so" with Bush is bush-league, no?

 

[avoiding injuries]

One of the reasons he is going so high is because for some of the owners drafting him, it will be the only Bush they get all season.

 

[mwaldo13]

...just cant convince myself to do it but i do love bush.....i

Who doesn't?

 

[WildRover]

I just did a qick calculation using the current VBD for the scoring I said in the 1 st postPicking 12th overall in a 12 team league1:12 Rudi2:01 Reggie3:12 Chambers4:01 Driver705 pts1:12 Rudi2:01 Holt3:12 Dunn4:01 Driver697 pts

ADP on Chambers is 28 right now.

 

[longlip]

hoping someone caught that...

 

[ConstruxBoy]

One of the reasons he is going so high is because for some of the owners drafting him, it will be the only Bush they get all season.

Hey, this isn't a Star Trek convention here. We do pretty well.

 

[longlip]

 

[mwaldo13]

One of the reasons he is going so high is because for some of the owners drafting him, it will be the only Bush they get all season.

Hey, this isn't a Star Trek convention here. We do pretty well.

"Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex." "Pan down...we've got bush!"

 

[Keys Myaths]

One of the reasons he is going so high is because for some of the owners drafting him, it will be the only Bush they get all season.

Hey, this isn't a Star Trek convention here. We do pretty well.

 

[oukurt]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

He had more than one nice run. Not saying that justifies anything, just saying he looked good the other night. I'm anxious to see him again Monday night.

No it was one nice run as the bulk of his yards.

Would you feel better about him if he didn't have that one long run?He had 8 touches. I saw every one of them. I'd say he really showed me something on at least 4 or 5 of those touches.

What do you mean feel better how him? I have him as RB 12 on my board. I think I feel just fine about him. Did he have an exciting 6 yard run I forgot about? If so, I apologize. Was just stating the bulk of his yards were on that change of direction run.

 

[Doug B]

I've posted this elsewhere: in my New Orleans area live redraft, so long as he stays healthy, Bush is going to go mid-to-late first round -- someone will pull the trigger on him.

Those of you getting him late second ... you guys are getting steals.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Those of you getting him late second ... you guys are getting steals.

I've gotten him mid-third in two PPR leagues...I think he's a good value there, but people are going overboard with this, IMO. Mid-third, he doesn't need all that much to justify his draft position, but late first and mid second is where you're starting to reach.

 

[dgreen]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

He had more than one nice run. Not saying that justifies anything, just saying he looked good the other night. I'm anxious to see him again Monday night.

No it was one nice run as the bulk of his yards.

Would you feel better about him if he didn't have that one long run?He had 8 touches. I saw every one of them. I'd say he really showed me something on at least 4 or 5 of those touches.

What do you mean feel better how him? I have him as RB 12 on my board. I think I feel just fine about him.

You said:

RB1? No way. RB2 I will take him. Too dangerous for 1st round and probably 3rd round material that will go in the 2nd round of almost every draft you are in.

Did he have an exciting 6 yard run I forgot about? If so, I apologize. Was just stating the bulk of his yards were on that change of direction run.

Exciting? No, but he did have a nice 6-yard run where he made a nice cut and picked up about three yards after contact. He also had the 9-yard reception where he slammed into Pacman.Here are those three plays.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

One of the reasons he is going so high is because for some of the owners drafting him, it will be the only Bush they get all season.

Hey, this isn't a Star Trek convention here. We do pretty well.

"Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex." "Pan down...we've got bush!"

Thanks Boog

 

[littletank]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

He had more than one nice run. Not saying that justifies anything, just saying he looked good the other night. I'm anxious to see him again Monday night.

No it was one nice run as the bulk of his yards.

Would you feel better about him if he didn't have that one long run?He had 8 touches. I saw every one of them. I'd say he really showed me something on at least 4 or 5 of those touches.

He had 59 yards on 6 carries. 1 of those carries amounted to 44 of the yards. So that means he got 15 yards on the other 5 carries. 3 yards per carry is not impressive. He is not superman and it was a preseason game. Stop the Hype. Then again if you want to waste a round 1 or 2 pick for him go right ahead while I pick up someone that actually has value.

 

[Doug B]

Those of you getting him late second ... you guys are getting steals.

I've gotten him mid-third in two PPR leagues...I think he's a good value there, but people are going overboard with this, IMO. Mid-third, he doesn't need all that much to justify his draft position, but late first and mid second is where you're starting to reach.

One factor I neglected to mention is that I've to wait until Labor Day for this redraft ... the preseason hype machine will be going on for a month by the time we draft. Plus 7 or 8 Saints homers (including me ) are involved ... VBD will be thrown out the window for him And one more factor: a very popular FF magazine/website (probably the #1, actually) now -- right now -- has Bush listed as their #13 RB, and the #16 player overall. That's going to have a ripple effect, too.

 

[dgreen]

i don't get this at all. he had one nice run against a crappy defense in the titans. there is no way he has more value then some of these other guys, especially with deuce in the picture.

He had more than one nice run. Not saying that justifies anything, just saying he looked good the other night. I'm anxious to see him again Monday night.

No it was one nice run as the bulk of his yards.

Would you feel better about him if he didn't have that one long run?He had 8 touches. I saw every one of them. I'd say he really showed me something on at least 4 or 5 of those touches.

He had 59 yards on 6 carries. 1 of those carries amounted to 44 of the yards. So that means he got 15 yards on the other 5 carries. 3 yards per carry is not impressive. He is not superman and it was a preseason game. Stop the Hype. Then again if you want to waste a round 1 or 2 pick for him go right ahead while I pick up someone that actually has value.

If I can't use the 44-yard run as supporting evidence, then you can't use the 3 y/c of the other five runs. Fair?

 

[avoiding injuries]

Ypc are calculated using long runs and they are a major contributor. Reggie averaged just under 10 ypc last week.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Ypc are calculated using long runs and they are a major contributor. Reggie averaged just under 10 ypc last week.

That's what Reggie brings to the table. If you're going to "take away" his long runs...then yes, he's not going to look good.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I think having Reggie Bush as your RB1 in a redraft league is a very risky proposition.