Reggie Bush trades turned down (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

I just had this trade offer turned down, 12 team dynasty league;

Team A offers Bush, Reggie NOS RB;Bennett, Drew TEN WR;Givens, David TEN WR

FOR

Team B for Jones, Julius DAL RB;Holt, Torry STL WR

 

[JohnnyU]

So, what do you think about that in a dynasty league? Will the owner who turned down that offer suffer long term? Or did he make the right choice?

Hard decison for anyone, correct?

 

[newbetterbucs05]

if your getting Holt and Jones i would accept it. Bush might not even play this year and Givens is not that good for fantasy. Jones should have a great year and Holt is a great FF receiver. A top 10

 

[JohnnyU]

if your getting Holt and Jones i would accept it. Bush might not even play this year and Givens is not that good for fantasy. Jones should have a great year and Holt is a great FF receiver. A top 10

Hell, Julius Jones may not even be the #1 choice on his team (see Barber). Still a tough decision IMO.I think Parcells has a woody for Barber.

 

[qimqam]

if your getting Holt and Jones i would accept it. Bush might not even play this year and Givens is not that good for fantasy. Jones should have a great year and Holt is a great FF receiver. A top 10

Hell, Julius Jones may not even be the #1 choice on his team (see Barber). Still a tough decision IMO.I think Parcells has a woody for Barber.

I would rather have Bush. Holt is 30 and although he still has some productive years ahead of him ...His best year 1700 yds and 12 TDs is behind him and I can see bush putting up quite a few years like this (combined rushing and receiving).

Between Bennett who could have a big year with Volek and Givens you can lesson the loss of Holt.

The Jones' (Julius and Thomas) are always sure to dissappoint. Bush vs. Julius is a blowout.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I'd take Holt/Jones in a heartbeat.

Gotta win now...

 

[KiddLattimer]

I think Parcells has a woody for Barber.

Parcells has a woody for players who actually play. He is weird like that.

 

[Z-Dog]

What a well-disguised AFC "should I make this trade" thread...

 

[Cannon Fodder]

In a Zealots league I offered the person with the 1.1 two trades. He rejected them both. They were:

Payton Manning and the 1.6 rookie pick or

Eli Manning and the 1.4 rookie pick.

I thought I was offering too much for sure. But I look back at this and I'm glad he rejected them. I got D.Williams with the 1.4 and traded the 1.6 for Dominic Davis when everyone thought Bush was going to Houston.

 

[Kleck.]

I didn't offer it, but I was told by the 1.01 owner that he would not trade it to me for 1.02, 1.06, 1.08, 1.12 in 2006 and the earlier of my firsts in 2007 (I have two so far).

That's fine by me since I'd much prefer the other 5 first round picks.

Edit: This happened just prior to the NFL draft when the owner of 1.01 assumed Bush would be a Texan. I'm not sure what his thoughts are now, but I don't think they have changed much.

 

[elpasotexan]

I have been accumulating 1st round picks for 2007 in a 16 team contract league. The team with 1.01 offered me his 1.01 for all 6 of my 2007 1st round picks PLUS the one first rounder I had this year (1.05) PLUS 2 first rounders I have in 2008. That's NINE first rounders for Bush. Needless to say, I rejected and offered three first and three second. He rejected.

 

[cowboyz]

i traded bush in an initial dynasty trade along with david carr, jay cutler, and zach hilton

for brian westbrook, ryan moats, javon walker, and braylon edwards

 

[fsufan]

the owner in one of my dynasty leagues wants a RB, WR and a 1st round in 2006 for the 1.01 2006 rookie pick

to much for Bush

 

[elpasotexan]

I like Bush as much as the next guy, but I won't overpay to get Bush.

 

[Alluro]

I was told by the person picking in my league 1.01 that he would not trade the pick for Larry Johnson straight up.

 

[Packers4ever]

I just trade my 1.1, A. Green, & Michael Clayton for W. McGahee, A. Boldin & his 5.04 in a dynasty league. I thought that I would not trade the 1.1 but he made me an offer and I counter it with offering a trade for his 2 best players and I really did not beleive that he would accept the trade but I think it was a good trade for me now that Bush is talking about holding out for the year.

 

[fsufan]

I was told by the person picking in my league 1.01 that he would not trade the pick for Larry Johnson straight up.

 

[Scarpaggio]

I have gotten 0 offers for the #1 pick.

 

[Getinthemix]

In Z45 I had the 1.3 and 1.10(via trade) picsk and was offered 1.1 and 3.1. I took it. I thought I got excellent value.

 

[JohnnyU]

Well, this one finally worked. I gave Bush, Chad Johnson, and Volek for LT2, M Turner, and Chad Jackson. PPR startup Dynasty (start qb, 1 rb, 1wr, 1te, 3 flex (wr, rb, te), k, def. I really hated giving up Bush and Johnson, but I think LT2 is pretty damn good, and Turner will be RFA after 2006, and an UFA after 2007. I think he can do pretty well as a starter for anyone. Jackson could develop, but he's no Chad Johnson.

I just wanted others to see what kind of trades Bush is being offered, rejected, and accepted in dynasty leagues.

Edited to say that this trade was unrelated to the league in the initial post. I had Bush in 2 leagues.

 

[ydub]

Recently accepted:

LT2 for Tiki, 1.1, and 1.7 in a 14 team Salary Cap/IDP/contract league.

5 year max contract, 700(cz.) point cap

LT2/2 years remaining at 110 cz.

Tiki/1 year remaining at 97 cz.

1.1/5 years remaining at 41 cz.

1.7/5 years remaining at 34 cz.

Didn't want to deal LT2, but this was too damn sweet to pass up. I've also parlayed the 1.7 and a future 2nd rounder into Julius Jones(3 years at 34 cz.), Ben Troupe (3 years at 9 cz.), 3.04 and a 1st rounder in '08. Both of these deals were in place before I pulled the trigger on either.

 

[EBF]

Well, this one finally worked. I gave Bush, Chad Johnson, and Volek for LT2, M Turner, and Chad Jackson. PPR startup Dynasty (start qb, 1 rb, 1wr, 1te, 3 flex (wr, rb, te), k, def. I really hated giving up Bush and Johnson, but I think LT2 is pretty damn good, and Turner will be RFA after 2006, and an UFA after 2007. I think he can do pretty well as a starter for anyone. Jackson could develop, but he's no Chad Johnson.

I just wanted others to see what kind of trades Bush is being offered, rejected, and accepted in dynasty leagues.

Edited to say that this trade was unrelated to the league in the initial post. I had Bush in 2 leagues.

I don't like that deal at all in PPR, particularly not in that league. CJ is almost worth as much as LT. Factor in Bush (a top 5-6 player IMO), and it's looking pretty lopsided.That said, I like Chad Jackson and feel that Michael Turner has decent potential.

I still don't like that deal at all. I also own Bush in that league and I won't be trading him.

 

[JohnnyU]

Well, this one finally worked.  I gave Bush, Chad Johnson, and Volek for LT2, M Turner, and Chad Jackson.  PPR startup Dynasty (start qb, 1 rb, 1wr, 1te, 3 flex (wr, rb, te), k, def.  I really hated giving up Bush and Johnson, but I think LT2 is pretty damn good, and Turner will be RFA after 2006, and an UFA after 2007.  I think he can do pretty well as a starter for anyone.  Jackson could develop, but he's no Chad Johnson. 

I just wanted others to see what kind of trades Bush is being offered, rejected, and accepted in dynasty leagues.

Edited to say that this trade was unrelated to the league in the initial post.  I had Bush in 2 leagues.

I don't like that deal at all in PPR, particularly not in that league. CJ is almost worth as much as LT. Factor in Bush (a top 5-6 player IMO), and it's looking pretty lopsided.That said, I like Chad Jackson and feel that Michael Turner has decent potential.

I still don't like that deal at all. I also own Bush in that league and I won't be trading him.

You might be right, but we all know how you feel about Bush. I also like him in a PPR league, but LT2 is pretty good in a PPR league also. I think Turner will be a star in the NFL in a couple years, and he's a pretty good handcuff now. If Bush goes down, I would be screwed in that league, and I'm playing to win now, and there's the Deuce and holdout factors to consider for 2006. My other RBs are Benson and Dayne basically. Losing Johnson hurts, but I still have Torry Holt, Glenn, Heap, Lloyd, Sin Moss, etc, and I think Jackson could develop into a nice WR. I'm also concerned about Chad Johnson's production this year with the uncertainty of Palmer, especially early. Like I said, I play to win now, and I think my team is better now than it was a few hours ago.

 

[EBF]

Well, this one finally worked. I gave Bush, Chad Johnson, and Volek for LT2, M Turner, and Chad Jackson. PPR startup Dynasty (start qb, 1 rb, 1wr, 1te, 3 flex (wr, rb, te), k, def. I really hated giving up Bush and Johnson, but I think LT2 is pretty damn good, and Turner will be RFA after 2006, and an UFA after 2007. I think he can do pretty well as a starter for anyone. Jackson could develop, but he's no Chad Johnson.

I just wanted others to see what kind of trades Bush is being offered, rejected, and accepted in dynasty leagues.

Edited to say that this trade was unrelated to the league in the initial post. I had Bush in 2 leagues.

I don't like that deal at all in PPR, particularly not in that league. CJ is almost worth as much as LT. Factor in Bush (a top 5-6 player IMO), and it's looking pretty lopsided.That said, I like Chad Jackson and feel that Michael Turner has decent potential.

I still don't like that deal at all. I also own Bush in that league and I won't be trading him.

You might be right, but we all know how you feel about Bush. I also like him in a PPR league, but LT2 is pretty good in a PPR league also. I think Turner will be a star in the NFL in a couple years, and he's a pretty good handcuff now. If Bush goes down, I would be screwed in that league, and I'm playing to win now, and there's the Deuce and holdout factors to consider for 2006. My other RBs are Benson and Dayne basically. Losing Johnson hurts, but I still have Torry Holt, Glenn, Heap, Lloyd, Sin Moss, etc, and I think Jackson could develop into a nice WR. I'm also concerned about Chad Johnson's production this year with the uncertainty of Palmer, especially early. Like I said, I play to win now, and I think my team is better now than it was a few hours ago.

I like the players you got. LT is my #1 rated dynasty player. Chad Jackson is my top rookie WR. Michael Turner kind of fits the Chester Taylor mold as a possible eventual starter.However, I think you're overestimating the importance of RBs in that league. We only have to start one, meaning you really only need one or two good ones on your roster. It's not worth hoarding them because only the elite backs actually outscore the comparable WRs. Short term, you probably would've been fine with Dayne, Benson, and Bush at RB1.

Yea, Tomlinson will outscore those guys, but the points you've gained at RB1 will be lost at one of your flex spots, where CJ would've been a major asset.

I think you had second thoughts about Bush, got nervous, and sold him cheap. That doesn't mean it won't ultimately work out for you, but I don't like the deal.

 

[JohnnyU]

Well, this one finally worked.  I gave Bush, Chad Johnson, and Volek for LT2, M Turner, and Chad Jackson.  PPR startup Dynasty (start qb, 1 rb, 1wr, 1te, 3 flex (wr, rb, te), k, def.  I really hated giving up Bush and Johnson, but I think LT2 is pretty damn good, and Turner will be RFA after 2006, and an UFA after 2007.  I think he can do pretty well as a starter for anyone.  Jackson could develop, but he's no Chad Johnson. 

I just wanted others to see what kind of trades Bush is being offered, rejected, and accepted in dynasty leagues.

Edited to say that this trade was unrelated to the league in the initial post.  I had Bush in 2 leagues.

I don't like that deal at all in PPR, particularly not in that league. CJ is almost worth as much as LT. Factor in Bush (a top 5-6 player IMO), and it's looking pretty lopsided.That said, I like Chad Jackson and feel that Michael Turner has decent potential.

I still don't like that deal at all. I also own Bush in that league and I won't be trading him.

You might be right, but we all know how you feel about Bush. I also like him in a PPR league, but LT2 is pretty good in a PPR league also. I think Turner will be a star in the NFL in a couple years, and he's a pretty good handcuff now. If Bush goes down, I would be screwed in that league, and I'm playing to win now, and there's the Deuce and holdout factors to consider for 2006. My other RBs are Benson and Dayne basically. Losing Johnson hurts, but I still have Torry Holt, Glenn, Heap, Lloyd, Sin Moss, etc, and I think Jackson could develop into a nice WR. I'm also concerned about Chad Johnson's production this year with the uncertainty of Palmer, especially early. Like I said, I play to win now, and I think my team is better now than it was a few hours ago.

I like the players you got. LT is my #1 rated dynasty player. Chad Jackson is my top rookie WR. Michael Turner kind of fits the Chester Taylor mold as a possible eventual starter.However, I think you're overestimating the importance of RBs in that league. We only have to start one, meaning you really only need one or two good ones on your roster. It's not worth hoarding them because only the elite backs actually outscore the comparable WRs. Short term, you probably would've been fine with Dayne, Benson, and Bush at RB1.

Yea, Tomlinson will outscore those guys, but the points you've gained at RB1 will be lost at one of your flex spots, where CJ would've been a major asset.

I think you had second thoughts about Bush, got nervous, and sold him cheap. That doesn't mean it won't ultimately work out for you, but I don't like the deal.

Somehow I don't think getting LT, Turner, and Jackson was selling cheap, lol. Now that was funny. Yes, you can start only 1RB, but I'd rather start several (3 flex) even in a PPR league.

 

[dickey moe]

I was told by the person picking in my league 1.01 that he would not trade the pick for Larry Johnson straight up.

That's just stoopid.I hope other owners in my leagues will value Reggie Bush this high.

 

[joffer]

I was told by the person picking in my league 1.01 that he would not trade the pick for Larry Johnson straight up.

that's kooky talk

 

[JohnnyU]

I was told by the person picking in my league 1.01 that he would not trade the pick for Larry Johnson straight up.

that's kooky talk

Who knows, maybe that won't be so this time next year. However, I do believe Deuce has to make an exit for Bush to come close to being a top 5 fantasy RB, even in PPR leagues.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'd take Holt/Jones in a heartbeat.

Gotta win now...

Nice to see you Grigs. I pretty much agree. You don't want to stock your dynasty/keeper teams with guys a year or 2 away from retiring, but I think that WAY too much emphasis is placed on youth by most people in dynasty leagues. In my keeper league I place little emphasis on young players and constantly acquire proven players. I'm always in the hunt and typically towards the top of the rankings.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Before the draft I traded:

Michael Vick

Willis McGahee

Jerry Porter

Nate Burleson

2007 1st rounder (probably late considering my team)

for

1.01

Darrell Jackson

Ben Roethlisberger

I thought I did pretty well.

 

[JohnnyU]

Before the draft I traded:

Michael Vick

Willis McGahee

Jerry Porter

Nate Burleson

2007 1st rounder (probably late considering my team)

for

1.01

Darrell Jackson

Ben Roethlisberger

I thought I did pretty well.

Very nice trade for you

 

[EBF]

Well, this one finally worked. I gave Bush, Chad Johnson, and Volek for LT2, M Turner, and Chad Jackson. PPR startup Dynasty (start qb, 1 rb, 1wr, 1te, 3 flex (wr, rb, te), k, def. I really hated giving up Bush and Johnson, but I think LT2 is pretty damn good, and Turner will be RFA after 2006, and an UFA after 2007. I think he can do pretty well as a starter for anyone. Jackson could develop, but he's no Chad Johnson.

I just wanted others to see what kind of trades Bush is being offered, rejected, and accepted in dynasty leagues.

Edited to say that this trade was unrelated to the league in the initial post. I had Bush in 2 leagues.

I don't like that deal at all in PPR, particularly not in that league. CJ is almost worth as much as LT. Factor in Bush (a top 5-6 player IMO), and it's looking pretty lopsided.That said, I like Chad Jackson and feel that Michael Turner has decent potential.

I still don't like that deal at all. I also own Bush in that league and I won't be trading him.

You might be right, but we all know how you feel about Bush. I also like him in a PPR league, but LT2 is pretty good in a PPR league also. I think Turner will be a star in the NFL in a couple years, and he's a pretty good handcuff now. If Bush goes down, I would be screwed in that league, and I'm playing to win now, and there's the Deuce and holdout factors to consider for 2006. My other RBs are Benson and Dayne basically. Losing Johnson hurts, but I still have Torry Holt, Glenn, Heap, Lloyd, Sin Moss, etc, and I think Jackson could develop into a nice WR. I'm also concerned about Chad Johnson's production this year with the uncertainty of Palmer, especially early. Like I said, I play to win now, and I think my team is better now than it was a few hours ago.

I like the players you got. LT is my #1 rated dynasty player. Chad Jackson is my top rookie WR. Michael Turner kind of fits the Chester Taylor mold as a possible eventual starter.However, I think you're overestimating the importance of RBs in that league. We only have to start one, meaning you really only need one or two good ones on your roster. It's not worth hoarding them because only the elite backs actually outscore the comparable WRs. Short term, you probably would've been fine with Dayne, Benson, and Bush at RB1.

Yea, Tomlinson will outscore those guys, but the points you've gained at RB1 will be lost at one of your flex spots, where CJ would've been a major asset.

I think you had second thoughts about Bush, got nervous, and sold him cheap. That doesn't mean it won't ultimately work out for you, but I don't like the deal.

Somehow I don't think getting LT, Turner, and Jackson was selling cheap, lol. Now that was funny. Yes, you can start only 1RB, but I'd rather start several (3 flex) even in a PPR league.

You sold two elite dynasty players for one elite dynasty player and two good prospects. For a guy who's trumpeting the win-now strategy, I think it was a questionable move. You lost two starters and gained one. Jackson and Turner are longshots to contribute until 2007 or 2008.Again, I like the players that you acquired, but I think the price was too steep given our format.

 

[JohnnyU]

Well, this one finally worked.  I gave Bush, Chad Johnson, and Volek for LT2, M Turner, and Chad Jackson.  PPR startup Dynasty (start qb, 1 rb, 1wr, 1te, 3 flex (wr, rb, te), k, def.  I really hated giving up Bush and Johnson, but I think LT2 is pretty damn good, and Turner will be RFA after 2006, and an UFA after 2007.  I think he can do pretty well as a starter for anyone.  Jackson could develop, but he's no Chad Johnson. 

I just wanted others to see what kind of trades Bush is being offered, rejected, and accepted in dynasty leagues.

Edited to say that this trade was unrelated to the league in the initial post.  I had Bush in 2 leagues.

I don't like that deal at all in PPR, particularly not in that league. CJ is almost worth as much as LT. Factor in Bush (a top 5-6 player IMO), and it's looking pretty lopsided.That said, I like Chad Jackson and feel that Michael Turner has decent potential.

I still don't like that deal at all. I also own Bush in that league and I won't be trading him.

You might be right, but we all know how you feel about Bush. I also like him in a PPR league, but LT2 is pretty good in a PPR league also. I think Turner will be a star in the NFL in a couple years, and he's a pretty good handcuff now. If Bush goes down, I would be screwed in that league, and I'm playing to win now, and there's the Deuce and holdout factors to consider for 2006. My other RBs are Benson and Dayne basically. Losing Johnson hurts, but I still have Torry Holt, Glenn, Heap, Lloyd, Sin Moss, etc, and I think Jackson could develop into a nice WR. I'm also concerned about Chad Johnson's production this year with the uncertainty of Palmer, especially early. Like I said, I play to win now, and I think my team is better now than it was a few hours ago.

I like the players you got. LT is my #1 rated dynasty player. Chad Jackson is my top rookie WR. Michael Turner kind of fits the Chester Taylor mold as a possible eventual starter.However, I think you're overestimating the importance of RBs in that league. We only have to start one, meaning you really only need one or two good ones on your roster. It's not worth hoarding them because only the elite backs actually outscore the comparable WRs. Short term, you probably would've been fine with Dayne, Benson, and Bush at RB1.

Yea, Tomlinson will outscore those guys, but the points you've gained at RB1 will be lost at one of your flex spots, where CJ would've been a major asset.

I think you had second thoughts about Bush, got nervous, and sold him cheap. That doesn't mean it won't ultimately work out for you, but I don't like the deal.

Somehow I don't think getting LT, Turner, and Jackson was selling cheap, lol. Now that was funny. Yes, you can start only 1RB, but I'd rather start several (3 flex) even in a PPR league.

You sold two elite dynasty players for one elite dynasty player and two good prospects. For a guy who's trumpeting the win-now strategy, I think it was a questionable move. You lost two starters and gained one. Jackson and Turner are longshots to contribute until 2007 or 2008.Again, I like the players that you acquired, but I think the price was too steep given our format.

Don't be surprised to not see Bush take off until 2007 or 2008. I'm from the school you should always get the best player in the trade, which I did, and that will benefit me in the "win now" philosophy. I would be very surprised to see Bush in the top 20 RBs in 2006, even in a PPR league. Add to that the potential of Turner and Jackson for the future, I like how that stacks up as well. Thanks for your input EBF, and I know you think Bush will be great out of the gate (fantasy wise), but I don't think he will.

 

[EBF]

Well, this one finally worked. I gave Bush, Chad Johnson, and Volek for LT2, M Turner, and Chad Jackson. PPR startup Dynasty (start qb, 1 rb, 1wr, 1te, 3 flex (wr, rb, te), k, def. I really hated giving up Bush and Johnson, but I think LT2 is pretty damn good, and Turner will be RFA after 2006, and an UFA after 2007. I think he can do pretty well as a starter for anyone. Jackson could develop, but he's no Chad Johnson.

I just wanted others to see what kind of trades Bush is being offered, rejected, and accepted in dynasty leagues.

Edited to say that this trade was unrelated to the league in the initial post. I had Bush in 2 leagues.

I don't like that deal at all in PPR, particularly not in that league. CJ is almost worth as much as LT. Factor in Bush (a top 5-6 player IMO), and it's looking pretty lopsided.That said, I like Chad Jackson and feel that Michael Turner has decent potential.

I still don't like that deal at all. I also own Bush in that league and I won't be trading him.

You might be right, but we all know how you feel about Bush. I also like him in a PPR league, but LT2 is pretty good in a PPR league also. I think Turner will be a star in the NFL in a couple years, and he's a pretty good handcuff now. If Bush goes down, I would be screwed in that league, and I'm playing to win now, and there's the Deuce and holdout factors to consider for 2006. My other RBs are Benson and Dayne basically. Losing Johnson hurts, but I still have Torry Holt, Glenn, Heap, Lloyd, Sin Moss, etc, and I think Jackson could develop into a nice WR. I'm also concerned about Chad Johnson's production this year with the uncertainty of Palmer, especially early. Like I said, I play to win now, and I think my team is better now than it was a few hours ago.

I like the players you got. LT is my #1 rated dynasty player. Chad Jackson is my top rookie WR. Michael Turner kind of fits the Chester Taylor mold as a possible eventual starter.However, I think you're overestimating the importance of RBs in that league. We only have to start one, meaning you really only need one or two good ones on your roster. It's not worth hoarding them because only the elite backs actually outscore the comparable WRs. Short term, you probably would've been fine with Dayne, Benson, and Bush at RB1.

Yea, Tomlinson will outscore those guys, but the points you've gained at RB1 will be lost at one of your flex spots, where CJ would've been a major asset.

I think you had second thoughts about Bush, got nervous, and sold him cheap. That doesn't mean it won't ultimately work out for you, but I don't like the deal.

Somehow I don't think getting LT, Turner, and Jackson was selling cheap, lol. Now that was funny. Yes, you can start only 1RB, but I'd rather start several (3 flex) even in a PPR league.

You sold two elite dynasty players for one elite dynasty player and two good prospects. For a guy who's trumpeting the win-now strategy, I think it was a questionable move. You lost two starters and gained one. Jackson and Turner are longshots to contribute until 2007 or 2008.Again, I like the players that you acquired, but I think the price was too steep given our format.

Don't be surprised to not see Bush take off until 2007 or 2008. I'm from the school you should always get the best player in the trade, which I did, and that will benefit me in the "win now" philosophy. I would be very surprised to see Bush in the top 20 RBs in 2006, even in a PPR league. Add to that the potential of Turner and Jackson for the future, I like how that stacks up as well. Thanks for your input EBF, and I know you think Bush will be great out of the gate (fantasy wise), but I don't think he will.

Given his receiving abilities, it's pretty likely that Bush will be a top 20 RB in PPR leagues from the moment he steps on the field. I agree that his best seasons are probably 1-2 years away, but I wonder why you even bothered to draft him if you're so lukewarm on his value.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wonder why you even bothered to draft him if you're so lukewarm on his value.

....because I had my sights set on LT2 in a PPR league for 2006 from the very beginning, and I knew his trade value would be through the roof.

 

[JohnnyU]

Given his receiving abilities, it's pretty likely that Bush will be a top 20 RB in PPR leagues from the moment he steps on the field. I

I think it will be close, but it wouldn't surprise me if he isn't in the top 20 for 2006. Now 2007 is a different story, or if Deuce can't come back this year. I projected Bush's numbers to be around 40 receptions for 400 yds and 3 tds, and 125 carries for about 500 yds and 2 tds. Thats about 160 fantasy points in our league for 2006. Having said that, he is just as likely to score about 100 fantasy points for 2006, but I doubt he goes over 160.

 

[EBF]

Given his receiving abilities, it's pretty likely that Bush will be a top 20 RB in PPR leagues from the moment he steps on the field. I

I think it will be close, but it wouldn't surprise me if he isn't in the top 20 for 2006. Now 2007 is a different story, or if Deuce can't come back this year. I projected Bush's numbers to be around 40 receptions for 400 yds and 3 tds, and 125 carries for about 500 yds and 2 tds. Thats about 160 fantasy points in our league for 2006. Having said that, he is just as likely to score about 100 fantasy points for 2006, but I doubt he goes over 160.

It won't take much for him to eclipse your projections. These are modest weekly averages:

12 carries - 50 yards

3 catches - 20 yards

.5 TDs

That's 13 ppg. I'd argue that those numbers represent the floor for Bush in 2006. If the Saints staff really lets him loose, then he could easily manage these weekly numbers:

15 carries - 60 yards

4 catches - 25 yards

.6 TDs

That's 15.5 ppg as a conservative ceiling.

I know college isn't the NFL, but this guy split time last year and averaged:

15 carries - 134 yards

2.8 catches - 37 yards

1.4 TDs

That's 28.3 ppg. He won't sniff those numbers in the NFL (at least not any time soon), but if he plays 16 games then I guarantee you he'll exceed 160 fantasy points. I'd say 12.5-16 ppg represents the likely range for Bush in ppr leagues. Catches add huge value in PPR. Brian Westbrook is a huge scorer in those leagues. Bush is a comparable player with arguably greater talent.

 

[JohnnyU]

Given his receiving abilities, it's pretty likely that Bush will be a top 20 RB in PPR leagues from the moment he steps on the field. I

I think it will be close, but it wouldn't surprise me if he isn't in the top 20 for 2006. Now 2007 is a different story, or if Deuce can't come back this year. I projected Bush's numbers to be around 40 receptions for 400 yds and 3 tds, and 125 carries for about 500 yds and 2 tds. Thats about 160 fantasy points in our league for 2006. Having said that, he is just as likely to score about 100 fantasy points for 2006, but I doubt he goes over 160.

It won't take much for him to eclipse your projections. These are modest weekly averages:

12 carries - 50 yards

3 catches - 20 yards

.5 TDs

That's 13 ppg. I'd argue that those numbers represent the floor for Bush in 2006. If the Saints staff really lets him loose, then he could easily manage these weekly numbers:

15 carries - 60 yards

4 catches - 25 yards

.6 TDs

That's 15.5 ppg as a conservative ceiling.

I know college isn't the NFL, but this guy split time last year and averaged:

15 carries - 134 yards

2.8 catches - 37 yards

1.4 TDs

That's 28.3 ppg. He won't sniff those numbers in the NFL (at least not any time soon), but if he plays 16 games then I guarantee you he'll exceed 160 fantasy points. I'd say 12.5-16 ppg represents the likely range for Bush in ppr leagues. Catches add huge value in PPR. Brian Westbrook is a huge scorer in those leagues. Bush is a comparable player with arguably greater talent.

You may be right. I guess that's why they play the games

 

[Hawkeyeskin]

You made a good trade Chuck. You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing. It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future. I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years. And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above. That's why I felt ok about doing the trade. For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins. Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle. I think it will be.

 

[EBF]

You made a good trade Chuck. You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing. It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future. I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years. And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above. That's why I felt ok about doing the trade. For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins. Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle. I think it will be.

Good deal for you. You got two superstar talents. And even though I'm giving Johnny a hard time, I think this trade could work out for him. It really depends on Turner and Jackson. If those guys pan out, this will be a win-win situation for you guys.

 

[nightshift]

You made a good trade Chuck. You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing. It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future. I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years. And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above. That's why I felt ok about doing the trade. For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins. Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle. I think it will be.

Hawkeye, ya rat bast%rd! I tried to get LT2 for a month Sundays & all I got was " I'm keepin' him."Then ya trade him for a 2 bit rookie who's gonna hold out possibly the whole season!

BTW, you could have traded down in the initial draft & got Bush league - why here?

 

[Hawkeyeskin]

You made a good trade Chuck. You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing. It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future. I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years. And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above. That's why I felt ok about doing the trade. For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins. Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle. I think it will be.

Hawkeye, ya rat bast%rd! I tried to get LT2 for a month Sundays & all I got was " I'm keepin' him."Then ya trade him for a 2 bit rookie who's gonna hold out possibly the whole season!

BTW, you could have traded down in the initial draft & got Bush league - why here?

Yeah I'm sorry about that nightshift. I really didn't have any intention of trading LT when you asked about him. But Saturday night I got home and had this offer from JohnnyU, and it was an offer I felt like I needed to explore. I tried to get a little more out of Johnny but the stubborn ole boy wasn't havin it. j/k Johnny! So I ended up taking his original offer. Had I traded down from the 1.1 spot to get Bush, I don't think I would have been able to get Chad Johnson too. That's why I did the trade here.BTW, you have a damn good team! Did you really need LT and LJ?

 

[Hawkeyeskin]

You made a good trade Chuck. You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing. It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future. I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years. And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above. That's why I felt ok about doing the trade. For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins. Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle. I think it will be.

Good deal for you. You got two superstar talents. And even though I'm giving Johnny a hard time, I think this trade could work out for him. It really depends on Turner and Jackson. If those guys pan out, this will be a win-win situation for you guys.

Thanks EBF. I agree with everything you said. I think we'll both be happy!

 

[nightshift]

You made a good trade Chuck. You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing. It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future. I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years. And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above. That's why I felt ok about doing the trade. For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins. Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle. I think it will be.

Hawkeye, ya rat bast%rd! I tried to get LT2 for a month Sundays & all I got was " I'm keepin' him."Then ya trade him for a 2 bit rookie who's gonna hold out possibly the whole season!

BTW, you could have traded down in the initial draft & got Bush league - why here?

Yeah I'm sorry about that nightshift. I really didn't have any intention of trading LT when you asked about him. But Saturday night I got home and had this offer from JohnnyU, and it was an offer I felt like I needed to explore. I tried to get a little more out of Johnny but the stubborn ole boy wasn't havin it. j/k Johnny! So I ended up taking his original offer. Had I traded down from the 1.1 spot to get Bush, I don't think I would have been able to get Chad Johnson too. That's why I did the trade here.BTW, you have a damn good team! Did you really need LT and LJ?

Of course! Now when you get tired of Bush, let me know... FIRST.

 

[wannabee]

You made a good trade Chuck.  You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing.  It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future.  I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years.  And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above.  That's why I felt ok about doing the trade.  For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins.  Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle.  I think it will be.

Hawkeye, ya rat bast%rd! I tried to get LT2 for a month Sundays & all I got was " I'm keepin' him."Then ya trade him for a 2 bit rookie who's gonna hold out possibly the whole season!

BTW, you could have traded down in the initial draft & got Bush league - why here?

Yeah I'm sorry about that nightshift. I really didn't have any intention of trading LT when you asked about him. But Saturday night I got home and had this offer from JohnnyU, and it was an offer I felt like I needed to explore. I tried to get a little more out of Johnny but the stubborn ole boy wasn't havin it. j/k Johnny! So I ended up taking his original offer. Had I traded down from the 1.1 spot to get Bush, I don't think I would have been able to get Chad Johnson too. That's why I did the trade here.BTW, you have a damn good team! Did you really need LT and LJ?

Of course! Now when you get tired of Bush, let me know... FIRST.

too late ......

 

[Hawkeyeskin]

You made a good trade Chuck. You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing. It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future. I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years. And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above. That's why I felt ok about doing the trade. For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins. Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle. I think it will be.

Hawkeye, ya rat bast%rd! I tried to get LT2 for a month Sundays & all I got was " I'm keepin' him."Then ya trade him for a 2 bit rookie who's gonna hold out possibly the whole season!

BTW, you could have traded down in the initial draft & got Bush league - why here?

Yeah I'm sorry about that nightshift. I really didn't have any intention of trading LT when you asked about him. But Saturday night I got home and had this offer from JohnnyU, and it was an offer I felt like I needed to explore. I tried to get a little more out of Johnny but the stubborn ole boy wasn't havin it. j/k Johnny! So I ended up taking his original offer. Had I traded down from the 1.1 spot to get Bush, I don't think I would have been able to get Chad Johnson too. That's why I did the trade here.BTW, you have a damn good team! Did you really need LT and LJ?

Of course! Now when you get tired of Bush, let me know... FIRST.

I promise you I'll never get tired of Bush. But if I ever decide to trade Reggie Bush you're the first one I'm callin!

 

[JohnnyU]

You made a good trade Chuck.  You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing.  It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future.  I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years.  And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above.  That's why I felt ok about doing the trade.  For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins.  Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle.  I think it will be.

Hawkeye, ya rat bast%rd! I tried to get LT2 for a month Sundays & all I got was " I'm keepin' him."Then ya trade him for a 2 bit rookie who's gonna hold out possibly the whole season!

BTW, you could have traded down in the initial draft & got Bush league - why here?

Yeah I'm sorry about that nightshift. I really didn't have any intention of trading LT when you asked about him. But Saturday night I got home and had this offer from JohnnyU, and it was an offer I felt like I needed to explore. I tried to get a little more out of Johnny but the stubborn ole boy wasn't havin it. j/k Johnny! So I ended up taking his original offer. Had I traded down from the 1.1 spot to get Bush, I don't think I would have been able to get Chad Johnson too. That's why I did the trade here.BTW, you have a damn good team! Did you really need LT and LJ?

Of course! Now when you get tired of Bush, let me know... FIRST.

I promise you I'll never get tired of Bush. But if I ever decide to trade Reggie Bush you're the first one I'm callin!

I'll give you Terry Glenn and Ryan Moats for him

 

[Hawkeyeskin]

You made a good trade Chuck. You got the best player out of the deal and that is always a good thing. It was a little tough for me to trade away a guy like LT, but felt I would improve my starting lineup this year, and still be setup for the future. I love Reggie Bush and think he will be the #1 FF player within the next 3 years. And I expect the same numbers for Bush in 2006 that EBF projected a couple of posts above. That's why I felt ok about doing the trade. For my 3rd Flex position I was looking at having to start a guy like Battle, Barlow, Pittman or even Justin McCareins. Hopefully Bush and CJ is better than LT and Battle. I think it will be.

Hawkeye, ya rat bast%rd! I tried to get LT2 for a month Sundays & all I got was " I'm keepin' him."Then ya trade him for a 2 bit rookie who's gonna hold out possibly the whole season!

BTW, you could have traded down in the initial draft & got Bush league - why here?

Yeah I'm sorry about that nightshift. I really didn't have any intention of trading LT when you asked about him. But Saturday night I got home and had this offer from JohnnyU, and it was an offer I felt like I needed to explore. I tried to get a little more out of Johnny but the stubborn ole boy wasn't havin it. j/k Johnny! So I ended up taking his original offer. Had I traded down from the 1.1 spot to get Bush, I don't think I would have been able to get Chad Johnson too. That's why I did the trade here.BTW, you have a damn good team! Did you really need LT and LJ?

Of course! Now when you get tired of Bush, let me know... FIRST.

I promise you I'll never get tired of Bush. But if I ever decide to trade Reggie Bush you're the first one I'm callin!

I'll give you Terry Glenn and Ryan Moats for him

What in addition to Reggie would you need for Moats and Glenn? I'd hate to fleece ya like that Johnny!

 

[JohnnyU]

What in addition to Reggie would you need for Moats and Glenn? I'd hate to fleece ya like that Johnny!

I'm not sure. It's a proven fact that Westbrook will go down, and Deuce will get all the carries in NO, so I would think a couple 1st rd picks should suffice.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Bush (1.01) just went for Harrison, Galloway, and 1.07 in 16 Team Dynasty