Reggie Bush (1 Viewer)

[walkmac]

I've seen Reggie Bush play a few times and have been pretty impressed with his abilities, and he is quite highly regarded on this board and by others (John Clayton just mentioned he would have been a Top 3 pick this year in an ESPN chat). That's why this scouting report was so interesting:

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile...Prospect_ID=236

The report basically says that he is going to struggle at the next level because he does not have the size/strength to be effective - he's an Eric Metcalf type tweener player without a true position. This seems to really go against what most have been saying about Bush, but it is interesting none the less.

Anyone with any thoughts?

 

[Kleck.]

I think he'll be fine and a great total yardage RB in the NFL. I can understand the size/strength risk right now, but the kid is 6' 200 lbs and only 20. He might even have some natural growing left. Once he hits the weights and gets into some sort of training program preparing himself for the NFL he'll be fine. Kevin Jones was once considered an NFL risk becuase of his size while at VT. IIRC he was listed at 6' 200 his first year there and by his Junior year (21 years old) was listed at 6' 209. Then he shows up to the combine at 5'11 and 225.

 

[TLEF316]

yeah, he's listed at 6 foot 200. alot of people give the faulk comparison because of their versatility. Faulk is 5'11 210, so im sure he was around 195-200lbs while at SDSU. If he can become what he did i see no reason that bush cant have an outstanding NFL career. the kid can really do it all.

 

[EBF]

I agree. I think he'll need to get bigger if he wants to be a featured back. 200 pounds works for some builds, but I don't think it will work for Bush. He's a little bit too lanky.

 

[diesel7982]

I agree with the author and have posted that in a couple threads around here. Bush doesnt have a position he is destined to play in the NFL. He'll be best used by a creative OC who uses him as more of a "weapon" than as a RB or a WR.

 

[JBaldachino]

Reggie Bush is reminding of Brian westbrook..Westbrook has had success in philly playings as a tweener, lining up at WR, RB, and TE. true, there are not many teams that feature a tweener in the NFL, it seems quite plausible that if Philly doesn't resign Westbrook, they won't trade up in the Draft to get Bush.

 

[jwvdcw]

I think he'll be fine and a great total yardage RB in the NFL.  I can understand the size/strength risk right now, but the kid is 6' 200 lbs and only 20.  He might even have some natural growing left.  Once he hits the weights and gets into some sort of training program preparing himself for the NFL he'll be fine. 

Kevin Jones was once considered an NFL risk becuase of his size while at VT.  IIRC he was listed at 6' 200 his first year there and by his Junior year (21 years old) was listed at 6' 209.  Then he shows up to the combine at 5'11 and 225.

I refuse to watch college football until they get a playoff, so forgive my ignorance, but I thought he was a WR.

 

[redman]

You're a tweener without a job if you're 6'0, 230 lbs and you have a mediocre 40 time. If you're 6'0, 200 lbs, can run like a gazelle, have excellent pass catching skills, and can return kicks and punts, you're a multi-faceted weapon. Bush will have a career for many years in the NFL.

 

[EBF]

You're a tweener without a job if you're 6'0, 230 lbs and you have a mediocre 40 time.

If you're 6'0, 200 lbs, can run like a gazelle, have excellent pass catching skills, and can return kicks and punts, you're a multi-faceted weapon.

Bush will have a career for many years in the NFL.

I don't disagree. But Desmond Howard also had a lengthy career and I'd venture to guess that he didn't help many fantasy teams.I'm not saying Bush is Howard, but I do have some concerns about his ability to be a full time RB. We'll see how he does this season. He may get a chance to carry the load full time if LenDale White doesn't suit up.

 

[Kleck.]

I think he'll be fine and a great total yardage RB in the NFL.  I can understand the size/strength risk right now, but the kid is 6' 200 lbs and only 20.  He might even have some natural growing left.  Once he hits the weights and gets into some sort of training program preparing himself for the NFL he'll be fine. 

Kevin Jones was once considered an NFL risk becuase of his size while at VT.  IIRC he was listed at 6' 200 his first year there and by his Junior year (21 years old) was listed at 6' 209.  Then he shows up to the combine at 5'11 and 225.

I refuse to watch college football until they get a playoff, so forgive my ignorance, but I thought he was a WR.

He lines up as one at times, but he is primarily, a RB. His 2004 stat line - 143 carries, 908 yards, 6.3 YPC, 6 TD's. 43 receptions, 509 yards, 11.8 YPR, 7 TD's. Also voted team MVP.

 

[Capella]

You're a tweener without a job if you're 6'0, 230 lbs and you have a mediocre 40 time. 

If you're 6'0, 200 lbs, can run like a gazelle, have excellent pass catching skills, and can return kicks and punts, you're a multi-faceted weapon. 

Bush will have a career for many years in the NFL.

I don't disagree. But Desmond Howard also had a lengthy career and I'd venture to guess that he didn't help many fantasy teams.I'm not saying Bush is Howard, but I do have some concerns about his ability to be a full time RB. We'll see how he does this season. He may get a chance to carry the load full time if LenDale White doesn't suit up.

Fantasy football <> NFL footballBush could be an excellent pro for many years without giving much help to fantasy rosters.

 

[Jason Wood]

You're a tweener without a job if you're 6'0, 230 lbs and you have a mediocre 40 time. 

If you're 6'0, 200 lbs, can run like a gazelle, have excellent pass catching skills, and can return kicks and punts, you're a multi-faceted weapon. 

Bush will have a career for many years in the NFL.

I don't disagree. But Desmond Howard also had a lengthy career and I'd venture to guess that he didn't help many fantasy teams.I'm not saying Bush is Howard, but I do have some concerns about his ability to be a full time RB. We'll see how he does this season. He may get a chance to carry the load full time if LenDale White doesn't suit up.

Fantasy football <> NFL footballBush could be an excellent pro for many years without giving much help to fantasy rosters.

Let's also not forget that teams don't make habits of drafting guys who put the ball on the ground with top 10 draft choices...Bush fumbled six or seven times last year, he'll need to improve that metric this year for sure.

 

[GOD HATES US ALL]

He will be the next Marshall Faulk in the NFL

 

[Gerg73]

The Metcalfe Comparison is HILLARIOUS!Metcalfe was 175 lbs SOAKING WET!Bush is more Faulk-Like than any RB in the last 10 years. He just needs to get better Body Lean and run lower to the ground. I've seen him run people over who were 225-240 (Linebackers!). This kid has power and IS NOT a finesse player like many think. Just because you see him running AWAY from people all the time doesn't mean he can't run THROUGH them when needed.It's just that p. Carroll uses L. White for that Job.Bush is a Top 5 pick Next April and will be Rookie of the Year.

 

[Gringoloco]

...teams don't make habits of drafting guys who put the ball on the ground with top 10 draft choices...Bush fumbled six or seven times last year, he'll need to improve that metric this year for sure.

I bet he could fumble 6-7 times this year and still be a top 10 draft pick.Suffice it to say I've seen Bush play as much as anyone else, unless you saw him play a few times in High School and haven't missed a college start. Bush is as special of a runner as I've ever seen. I think he will succeed as a star NFL RB for many years.

There are obvious comparisons that could be made with other sized players who have fauiled after huge expectations (Des Howard listed here as one of them). But it seems as though you can always find players of any size and ability who have failed to live up to hype. I just don't think that's true with Bush. Just a special, special player. The comparisons to Faulk are much closer to reality than to Howard.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

...teams don't make habits of drafting guys who put the ball on the ground with top 10 draft choices...Bush fumbled six or seven times last year, he'll need to improve that metric this year for sure.

I bet he could fumble 6-7 times this year and still be a top 10 draft pick.Suffice it to say I've seen Bush play as much as anyone else, unless you saw him play a few times in High School and haven't missed a college start. Bush is as special of a runner as I've ever seen. I think he will succeed as a star NFL RB for many years.

There are obvious comparisons that could be made with other sized players who have fauiled after huge expectations (Des Howard listed here as one of them). But it seems as though you can always find players of any size and ability who have failed to live up to hype. I just don't think that's true with Bush. Just a special, special player. The comparisons to Faulk are much closer to reality than to Howard.

I think it's clear I need to see more Bush before next year.

 

[Jason Wood]

...teams don't make habits of drafting guys who put the ball on the ground with top 10 draft choices...Bush fumbled six or seven times last year, he'll need to improve that metric this year for sure.

I bet he could fumble 6-7 times this year and still be a top 10 draft pick.Suffice it to say I've seen Bush play as much as anyone else, unless you saw him play a few times in High School and haven't missed a college start. Bush is as special of a runner as I've ever seen. I think he will succeed as a star NFL RB for many years.

There are obvious comparisons that could be made with other sized players who have fauiled after huge expectations (Des Howard listed here as one of them). But it seems as though you can always find players of any size and ability who have failed to live up to hype. I just don't think that's true with Bush. Just a special, special player. The comparisons to Faulk are much closer to reality than to Howard.

I don't dispute the Bush is a special playmaker. But he's got marks against him...size (he's listed at 190 at NFL Draft Scout and Next Level), fumbling (say what you will but no one can put the ball on the ground that many times and get PT in the NFL), and blocking (not asked to do that much at USC).For every "he's the next Marshall Faulk" we could say, "He's the next Kevin Faulk" and the comparisons would be just as relevant. There are tons of "can't miss" collegiate guys who miss every single year.

And don't bet on Bush being a surefire top 5 pick next year regardless of what kind of season he has. Putting this year aside, because it was unique, there is TREMENDOUS depth at key positions next year. Three QBs could be in the top 5 mix, and we could have as many as six or seven tackles with surefire 1st round grades. It's the exception not the rule for an RB to go top 5. DeAngelo Williams would be right up there with Bush for the top spot at RB FYI.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm a Pac-10 homer and I think he has Brian Westbrook written all over him. I don't see him as a workhorse type back.

 

[Gringoloco]

But he's got marks against him...size (he's listed at 190 at NFL Draft Scout and Next Level), fumbling (say what you will but no one can put the ball on the ground that many times and get PT in the NFL), and blocking (not asked to do that much at USC).

For every "he's the next Marshall Faulk" we could say, "He's the next Kevin Faulk" and the comparisons would be just as relevant. There are tons of "can't miss" collegiate guys who miss every single year.

Well, needless to say we differ strongly on our NFL outlook for Bush. You never heard me say Kevin Faulk was going to be a special player. In fact, I rarely say it. But since you know little of my history in FF, as I know little about yours, neither of our opinions carry much weight in changing the other's mind.Based on some of what you wrote, you could never possibly say anyone is a can't miss without the same argument made against them (i.e. there are tons of can't miss collegiate guys who miss every single year).

As for his size, I believe he has the frame to put on another 15 pounds easily and still retain his speed. Fumblings problems, although I joked about it with regard to Bush's draft status, are serious. I just happen to think it will be corrected. Blocking? I think Bush has the dedication to become a good blocker.

 

[Chaka]

Reggie is lightning in a can at the NCAA level for sure. His first step is sick fast. His size is definitely a concern but he has room to grow for sure. Even though Bush reminds me of him the Faulk comparisons are a bit premature as Marshall was given the rock a lot more than Bush. I am not sure Reggie will grow into the workhorse role but he will definitely have a place and a solid career in the NFL. At the very least as a receiving option out of the backfield and kickoff and punt returner. At the very most as the next Marshall Faulk.btw from what I am hearing out of spring ball at USC Bush isn't even the best running back on the team. The name for you guys to pay attention to is Chauncey Washington. You heard it here first.

 

[diesel7982]

I'm a Pac-10 homer and I think he has Brian Westbrook written all over him.

I don't see him as a workhorse type back.

He'd be a good "compliment"

 

[Gringoloco]

btw from what I am hearing out of spring ball at USC Bush isn't even the best running back on the team. The name for you guys to pay attention to is Chauncey Washington. You heard it here first.

Chauncey Washington is a highly regarded RB who came out with Bush and White as THE RB trio in the nation. Washington missed some time due to injury and more time due to academic problems, but I have heard great things recently in camp. He was originally compared favorably to Bush and White by none other than Norm Chow.We saw Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams come from the same program. We could have three guys out of USC like that, although Washington is a reshirt sophomore.

And this is to say nothing of the incredibly explosive Desmond Reed. There are weapons everywhere you look with USC.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm a Pac-10 homer and I think he has Brian Westbrook written all over him. 

I don't see him as a workhorse type back.

He'd be a good "compliment"

complement...I saw that after I typed it .You can be my spell checker any time Diesel

 

[diesel7982]

I'm a Pac-10 homer and I think he has Brian Westbrook written all over him. 

I don't see him as a workhorse type back.

He'd be a good "compliment"

complement...I saw that after I typed it .You can be my spell checker any time Diesel

Where did you misspell it? I was just messing around.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I think it's clear I need to see more Bush before next year.

:reported:

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm a Pac-10 homer and I think he has Brian Westbrook written all over him. 

I don't see him as a workhorse type back.

He'd be a good "compliment"

complement...I saw that after I typed it .You can be my spell checker any time Diesel

Where did you misspell it? I was just messing around.

Oh...the proper spellling is complement, not compliment if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Gerg73]

How quickly you guys forget what the NFL Draft is all about!You act like showing that you can tote the rock 25+ times per game and being the STARTING RB on a Top 5 Team is a Pre-requisite for being a Top 5 pick. Guess what...IT'S NOT!When Reggie Bush puts up the Numbers he will this year (Pretty much the same as '04) He'll be considered a 1st round pick.Then, when he shoes up at the Combine (Or personal Workout) At 6'0, 200 Lbs and runs a 4.35 wit ha 38" VJ and a Short Shuttle of 3.67 and Cathes EVERY PASS in sight.He'll shoot into the Top 5.Just like Ronnie Brown did this year.And Brown has had Injury Problems before and couldn't even start on his team.P.S. The Kevin Faulk comparison was just a play on words, right? A use of the word "Faulk" to make a point?You aren't SERIOUSLY comparing the 2 as NFL Prospects. Please tell me I'm right.

 

[diesel7982]

I'm a Pac-10 homer and I think he has Brian Westbrook written all over him. 

I don't see him as a workhorse type back.

He'd be a good "compliment"

complement...I saw that after I typed it .You can be my spell checker any time Diesel

Where did you misspell it? I was just messing around.

Oh...the proper spellling is complement, not compliment if I'm not mistaken.

Oops. Maybe I was trying to say hed be a good flattering remark?

 

[DonnyT33]

reminds me of a young Marshall Faulk if you ask me.

 

[redman]

...teams don't make habits of drafting guys who put the ball on the ground with top 10 draft choices...Bush fumbled six or seven times last year, he'll need to improve that metric this year for sure.

I bet he could fumble 6-7 times this year and still be a top 10 draft pick.Suffice it to say I've seen Bush play as much as anyone else, unless you saw him play a few times in High School and haven't missed a college start. Bush is as special of a runner as I've ever seen. I think he will succeed as a star NFL RB for many years.

There are obvious comparisons that could be made with other sized players who have fauiled after huge expectations (Des Howard listed here as one of them). But it seems as though you can always find players of any size and ability who have failed to live up to hype. I just don't think that's true with Bush. Just a special, special player. The comparisons to Faulk are much closer to reality than to Howard.

I don't dispute the Bush is a special playmaker. But he's got marks against him...size (he's listed at 190 at NFL Draft Scout and Next Level), fumbling (say what you will but no one can put the ball on the ground that many times and get PT in the NFL), and blocking (not asked to do that much at USC).For every "he's the next Marshall Faulk" we could say, "He's the next Kevin Faulk" and the comparisons would be just as relevant. There are tons of "can't miss" collegiate guys who miss every single year.

And don't bet on Bush being a surefire top 5 pick next year regardless of what kind of season he has. Putting this year aside, because it was unique, there is TREMENDOUS depth at key positions next year. Three QBs could be in the top 5 mix, and we could have as many as six or seven tackles with surefire 1st round grades. It's the exception not the rule for an RB to go top 5. DeAngelo Williams would be right up there with Bush for the top spot at RB FYI.

Marshall Faulk has not been asked to block a lot either.-Kurt Warner's concussed brain

 

[Jason Wood]

...teams don't make habits of drafting guys who put the ball on the ground with top 10 draft choices...Bush fumbled six or seven times last year, he'll need to improve that metric this year for sure.

I bet he could fumble 6-7 times this year and still be a top 10 draft pick.Suffice it to say I've seen Bush play as much as anyone else, unless you saw him play a few times in High School and haven't missed a college start. Bush is as special of a runner as I've ever seen. I think he will succeed as a star NFL RB for many years.

There are obvious comparisons that could be made with other sized players who have fauiled after huge expectations (Des Howard listed here as one of them). But it seems as though you can always find players of any size and ability who have failed to live up to hype. I just don't think that's true with Bush. Just a special, special player. The comparisons to Faulk are much closer to reality than to Howard.

I don't dispute the Bush is a special playmaker. But he's got marks against him...size (he's listed at 190 at NFL Draft Scout and Next Level), fumbling (say what you will but no one can put the ball on the ground that many times and get PT in the NFL), and blocking (not asked to do that much at USC).For every "he's the next Marshall Faulk" we could say, "He's the next Kevin Faulk" and the comparisons would be just as relevant. There are tons of "can't miss" collegiate guys who miss every single year.

And don't bet on Bush being a surefire top 5 pick next year regardless of what kind of season he has. Putting this year aside, because it was unique, there is TREMENDOUS depth at key positions next year. Three QBs could be in the top 5 mix, and we could have as many as six or seven tackles with surefire 1st round grades. It's the exception not the rule for an RB to go top 5. DeAngelo Williams would be right up there with Bush for the top spot at RB FYI.

Marshall Faulk has not been asked to block a lot either.-Kurt Warner's concussed brain

Again, I'm not saying Bush won't be a good pro, but it's far from a lock. And can we please stop comparing him to Marshall Faulk? Faulk was a one man wrecking crew at San Diego State. He's a really terrible comparable to Bush, good or bad.First of all, size...Faulk was a legit 210 pounds coming out of college, Bush has to add 10-15 pounds to get to that point. He can do it certainly, but he hasn't yet. More importantly, Faulk was THE offensive weapon for a fringe D1 program...Bush is one of many NFL caliber players on THE preeminent collegiate program. Faulk was a traditional workhorse tailback for 3 straight years, he wasn't even used much as a receiver until his junior year. Bush's abilities in the receiving game are essential to his getting on the field and he's not used as workhorse.

Faulk's Collegiate Rushing Stats

YEAR TEAM Att Yds TD Long

1991 SDSU Aztecs 201 rushes for 1429 yards and 21 touchdowns

1992 SDSU Aztecs 265 rushes for 1630 yards and 15 touchdowns

1993 SDSU Aztecs 300 rushed for 1530 yards and 21 touchdowns

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 766 rushes for 4589 yards and 57 touchdowns

Faulk's Collegiate Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM Rec Yds TD LONG

1991 SDSU Aztecs 17 receptions for 201 yards and 2 touchdowns

1992 SDSU Aztecs 18 receptions for 128 yards and 0 touchdowns

1992 SDSU Aztecs 47 receptions for 644 yards and 5 touchdowns

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 82 receptions for 973 ayrds and 7 touchdowns

 

[Spike]

...teams don't make habits of drafting guys who put the ball on the ground with top 10 draft choices...Bush fumbled six or seven times last year, he'll need to improve that metric this year for sure.

I bet he could fumble 6-7 times this year and still be a top 10 draft pick.Suffice it to say I've seen Bush play as much as anyone else, unless you saw him play a few times in High School and haven't missed a college start. Bush is as special of a runner as I've ever seen. I think he will succeed as a star NFL RB for many years.

There are obvious comparisons that could be made with other sized players who have fauiled after huge expectations (Des Howard listed here as one of them). But it seems as though you can always find players of any size and ability who have failed to live up to hype. I just don't think that's true with Bush. Just a special, special player. The comparisons to Faulk are much closer to reality than to Howard.

I don't dispute the Bush is a special playmaker. But he's got marks against him...size (he's listed at 190 at NFL Draft Scout and Next Level), fumbling (say what you will but no one can put the ball on the ground that many times and get PT in the NFL), and blocking (not asked to do that much at USC).For every "he's the next Marshall Faulk" we could say, "He's the next Kevin Faulk" and the comparisons would be just as relevant. There are tons of "can't miss" collegiate guys who miss every single year.

And don't bet on Bush being a surefire top 5 pick next year regardless of what kind of season he has. Putting this year aside, because it was unique, there is TREMENDOUS depth at key positions next year. Three QBs could be in the top 5 mix, and we could have as many as six or seven tackles with surefire 1st round grades. It's the exception not the rule for an RB to go top 5. DeAngelo Williams would be right up there with Bush for the top spot at RB FYI.

Marshall Faulk has not been asked to block a lot either.-Kurt Warner's concussed brain

If I recall correctly, Marshall's an excellent blocker.

 

[Keepers]

Then, when he shoes up at the Combine (Or personal Workout) At 6'0, 200 Lbs and runs a 4.35 wit ha 38" VJ and a Short Shuttle of 3.67 and Cathes EVERY PASS in sight.

Sounds like Bush should be a WR, not a RB.

 

[TedHead]

Bush is a freak. He will definitely be a return man in the NFL because he has ankle breaking moves once the ball is in his hands. From what I have seen watching him play I am not sure if he can be an every down back in the NFL because he hasn't shown the ability to run inside, but then he really has not been asked to.

 

[jurb26]

Again, I'm not saying Bush won't be a good pro, but it's far from a lock. And can we please stop comparing him to Marshall Faulk? Faulk was a one man wrecking crew at San Diego State. He's a really terrible comparable to Bush, good or bad.

First of all, size...Faulk was a legit 210 pounds coming out of college, Bush has to add 10-15 pounds to get to that point. He can do it certainly, but he hasn't yet. More importantly, Faulk was THE offensive weapon for a fringe D1 program...Bush is one of many NFL caliber players on THE preeminent collegiate program. Faulk was a traditional workhorse tailback for 3 straight years, he wasn't even used much as a receiver until his junior year. Bush's abilities in the receiving game are essential to his getting on the field and he's not used as workhorse.

Faulk's Collegiate Rushing Stats 

YEAR TEAM Att Yds TD Long   

1991 SDSU Aztecs 201 rushes for 1429 yards and 21 touchdowns    

1992 SDSU Aztecs 265 rushes for 1630 yards and 15 touchdowns   

1993 SDSU Aztecs 300 rushed for 1530 yards and 21 touchdowns   

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 766 rushes for 4589 yards and 57 touchdowns   

Faulk's Collegiate Receiving Stats 

YEAR TEAM Rec Yds TD LONG  

1991 SDSU Aztecs 17 receptions for 201 yards and 2 touchdowns  

1992 SDSU Aztecs 18 receptions for 128 yards and 0 touchdowns

1992 SDSU Aztecs 47 receptions for 644 yards and 5 touchdowns

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 82 receptions for 973 ayrds and 7 touchdowns

Boy does this drive me crazy. Some how, some way someone will always drive to drive home a point about stats even though one does not exist in FF circles. Your right, Faulk was a 1 man show. In case you didn't notice though USC has a pretty darn good football team. THEY DON'T NEED TO RELY ON JUST BUSH, SDSU DID. Comparing these numbers is competly out of context.

In case all of you people have fogoten, the reason that Faulk ended up at SDSU instead of a top program is ALL OF THE REASONS YOU ARE STATING FOR BUSH RIGHT NOW.

If you want to see why so many people feel that he will be similar to Faulk, you don't need to look up any stats..... simple watch the guy play. If you don't see any sort of similarity, then come back and call us all liers.

 

[Draftnik]

I think he'll be fine and a great total yardage RB in the NFL. I can understand the size/strength risk right now, but the kid is 6' 200 lbs and only 20. He might even have some natural growing left. Once he hits the weights and gets into some sort of training program preparing himself for the NFL he'll be fine.

Kevin Jones was once considered an NFL risk becuase of his size while at VT. IIRC he was listed at 6' 200 his first year there and by his Junior year (21 years old) was listed at 6' 209. Then he shows up to the combine at 5'11 and 225.

SC has won back to back titles and has returned to being a factory for NFL draft picks. There's a good deal of money at $C -- they have very nice athletic facilities (Coliseum notwithstanding) and I understand they have 1 or two guys hanging around campus who know something about conditioning NFL caliber athletes.I think it's saft to say that Bush is already in "some sort of training program preparing himself for the NFL" right now. Unless he goes to the "helper," I don't think we're going to see Reggie Bush playing at anything over 210, 215 max.

 

[Jason Wood]

Again, I'm not saying Bush won't be a good pro, but it's far from a lock. And can we please stop comparing him to Marshall Faulk? Faulk was a one man wrecking crew at San Diego State. He's a really terrible comparable to Bush, good or bad.

First of all, size...Faulk was a legit 210 pounds coming out of college, Bush has to add 10-15 pounds to get to that point. He can do it certainly, but he hasn't yet. More importantly, Faulk was THE offensive weapon for a fringe D1 program...Bush is one of many NFL caliber players on THE preeminent collegiate program. Faulk was a traditional workhorse tailback for 3 straight years, he wasn't even used much as a receiver until his junior year. Bush's abilities in the receiving game are essential to his getting on the field and he's not used as workhorse.

Faulk's Collegiate Rushing Stats 

YEAR TEAM Att Yds TD Long   

1991 SDSU Aztecs 201 rushes for 1429 yards and 21 touchdowns    

1992 SDSU Aztecs 265 rushes for 1630 yards and 15 touchdowns   

1993 SDSU Aztecs 300 rushed for 1530 yards and 21 touchdowns   

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 766 rushes for 4589 yards and 57 touchdowns   

Faulk's Collegiate Receiving Stats 

YEAR TEAM Rec Yds TD LONG  

1991 SDSU Aztecs 17 receptions for 201 yards and 2 touchdowns  

1992 SDSU Aztecs 18 receptions for 128 yards and 0 touchdowns

1992 SDSU Aztecs 47 receptions for 644 yards and 5 touchdowns

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 82 receptions for 973 ayrds and 7 touchdowns

Boy does this drive me crazy. Some how, some way someone will always drive to drive home a point about stats even though one does not exist in FF circles. Your right, Faulk was a 1 man show. In case you didn't notice though USC has a pretty darn good football team. THEY DON'T NEED TO RELY ON JUST BUSH, SDSU DID. Comparing these numbers is competly out of context.

In case all of you people have fogoten, the reason that Faulk ended up at SDSU instead of a top program is ALL OF THE REASONS YOU ARE STATING FOR BUSH RIGHT NOW.

If you want to see why so many people feel that he will be similar to Faulk, you don't need to look up any stats..... simple watch the guy play. If you don't see any sort of similarity, then come back and call us all liers.

Hey Jurb,I would ask that you recognize the irony of your rant. You're trying to take umbrage with the use of stats, and yet I not only admit to but AGREE with your main contention in the textual portion of the quote above.

My point isn't that Bush isn't as good as Faulk, just that HE'S NOT A GOOD COMPARABLE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

 

[jurb26]

My point isn't that Bush isn't as good as Faulk, just that HE'S NOT A GOOD COMPARABLE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

The people who are comparing him DO think he is comparable from watching him play though. Its not about the stats or amount of ops each has/had gotten, its how they have looked while getting them. Its the physical ability that people are comparing, nothing more. The stats have no place in that context. Of course if you take 2 guys with similar skills and give 1 of the 2 a lot more ops to produce, he will. People are simply stating that Bush has physical abilities that are Faulk-like. This does not promise him to be a successfull NFL RB though, as he has only shown that ability at the NCAA level where as Faulk did on both the NCAA and NFL level.

 

[Gringoloco]

Again, I'm not saying Bush won't be a good pro, but it's far from a lock.

As much as I debate this with Woodrow, I agree with him that Bush is no lock. I tend to think no player is a lock.I think the comparisons to Marshall Faulk are borne from the nature of their respective receiving abilities and not necessarily to their styles as runners. Any RB who can line up, and make plays, as a WR at any given time is going to be compared to the one who made it famous in Faulk.

I understand that Bush did not have the full workload, but neither did Ronnie Brown or Caddy Williams. Bush's workload was very similar to Brown's. They had an equal number of touches, but Bush had 175 more total yards and 4 more TD's. Meanwhile, White had similar numbers (total touches, yards, td's) 214/1200/17 to Caddy's 260/1389/13.

So based on how much load they carried, it's hard to say Bush didn't do enough but Brown did (Brown had only 10 more rushes). The question, then, comes down to size and whether or not Bush can handle playing against the guys he'll face in the NFL. I believe he will.

 

[Jason Wood]

My point isn't that Bush isn't as good as Faulk, just that HE'S NOT A GOOD COMPARABLE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

The people who are comparing him DO think he is comparable from watching him play though. Its not about the stats or amount of ops each has/had gotten, its how they have looked while getting them. Its the physical ability that people are comparing, nothing more. The stats have no place in that context. Of course if you take 2 guys with similar skills and give 1 of the 2 a lot more ops to produce, he will. People are simply stating that Bush has physical abilities that are Faulk-like. This does not promise him to be a successfull NFL RB though, as he has only shown that ability at the NCAA level where as Faulk did on both the NCAA and NFL level.

OK...now this is what bothers me. Do you HONESTLY think people are sitting around breaking down film...studying where Bush holds the ball versus Faulk? Whether he gets as low? How he plants and which foot, if any, he favors? Where he extends his arms for passes? Whether he has tells when lining out wide? And on and on and on? Don't kid yourself here Jurb. NFL scouts are doing that, YES. But guys on message boards who are touting the kid are saying, "Bush reminds me of Faulk" because they watch USC games and see the kid make plays."Reminds me of" in this context = HE'S GOOD, JUST LIKE MARSHALL FAULK

My point here is, regardless of his NFL prospects, there are quite a few former and current NFL backs who likely look quite a bit more like Reggie Bush on film than Marshall Faulk, honestly.

 

[jurb26]

OK...now this is what bothers me. Do you HONESTLY think people are sitting around breaking down film...studying where Bush holds the ball versus Faulk? Whether he gets as low? How he plants and which foot, if any, he favors? Where he extends his arms for passes? Whether he has tells when lining out wide? And on and on and on? Don't kid yourself here Jurb. NFL scouts are doing that, YES. But guys on message boards who are touting the kid are saying, "Bush reminds me of Faulk" because they watch USC games and see the kid make plays.

"Reminds me of" in this context = HE'S GOOD, JUST LIKE MARSHALL FAULK

My point here is, regardless of his NFL prospects, there are quite a few former and current NFL backs who likely look quite a bit more like Reggie Bush on film than Marshall Faulk, honestly.

Well, I don't know what these people are doing with their time as a matter of fact, nor do you. I would expect anyone to be doing this, but around here, I also woudn't be surprised. Do you HONESTY think that the only ones qualified to provide an anylisis of players are those working for NFL teams Jason? Yes, mabye they are the MOST qualified, but are they still the only ones? If so, why do we have this board? Why do we have Mel and others?

You say there are quite a few RBs that look a lot like Bush.... well who are they and why has this thread gone 2 pages and their names left out?

 

[Chaka]

Faulk's Collegiate Rushing Stats

YEAR TEAM Att Yds TD Long

1991 SDSU Aztecs 201 rushes for 1429 yards and 21 touchdowns

1992 SDSU Aztecs 265 rushes for 1630 yards and 15 touchdowns

1993 SDSU Aztecs 300 rushed for 1530 yards and 21 touchdowns

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 766 rushes for 4589 yards and 57 touchdowns

Faulk's Collegiate Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM Rec Yds TD LONG

1991 SDSU Aztecs 17 receptions for 201 yards and 2 touchdowns

1992 SDSU Aztecs 18 receptions for 128 yards and 0 touchdowns

1993 SDSU Aztecs 47 receptions for 644 yards and 5 touchdowns

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 82 receptions for 973 ayrds and 7 touchdowns

How in the world did Gino Toretta and Charlie Ward beat this guy out for the Heisman?

 

[Tau837]

How about Warrick Dunn as a comparable? I seem to recall that he was used by FSU in a similar manner to how USC uses Bush (i.e., RB & WR, direct snaps, lots of receptions in open space, but not a workhorse rusher). He hasn't set the NFL on fire, but he has had a successful career. And when given opportunities (e.g., 20 carries in a game), he has really produced. OTOH he has had some difficulty staying on the field.

 

[Capella]

Faulk's Collegiate Rushing Stats 

YEAR TEAM Att Yds TD Long   

1991 SDSU Aztecs 201 rushes for 1429 yards and 21 touchdowns   

1992 SDSU Aztecs 265 rushes for 1630 yards and 15 touchdowns   

1993 SDSU Aztecs 300 rushed for 1530 yards and 21 touchdowns   

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 766 rushes for 4589 yards and 57 touchdowns

Faulk's Collegiate Receiving Stats 

YEAR TEAM Rec Yds TD LONG 

1991 SDSU Aztecs 17 receptions for 201 yards and 2 touchdowns 

1992 SDSU Aztecs 18 receptions for 128 yards and 0 touchdowns

1993 SDSU Aztecs 47 receptions for 644 yards and 5 touchdowns

TOTAL 3 NCAA Seasons 82 receptions for 973 ayrds and 7 touchdowns

How in the world did Gino Toretta and Charlie Ward beat this guy out for the Heisman?

Uh, Charlie Ward was pretty amazing his senior year..and did it against top competition.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I really like Bush and think he can become a great NFL player. But I think that D. Williams and Maroney are more NFL-ready backs right now, in terms of a resume of highlight plays that translate to the NFL in a scout's mind. There always is someone who can come along and break the mold of the prototypical NFL player at a given position (see Vick, Michael), and Reggie may be that guy for every down RBs. But my opinion is that both his "lankiness" as someone called it and his lack of runs in between the tackles will drive him down some in the eyes of the typical NFL scout. Whether that is changed during his season this year remains to be seen.

 

[Gringoloco]

...teams don't make habits of drafting guys who put the ball on the ground with top 10 draft choices...Bush fumbled six or seven times last year, he'll need to improve that metric this year for sure.

I bet he could fumble 6-7 times this year and still be a top 10 draft pick.Suffice it to say I've seen Bush play as much as anyone else, unless you saw him play a few times in High School and haven't missed a college start. Bush is as special of a runner as I've ever seen. I think he will succeed as a star NFL RB for many years.

There are obvious comparisons that could be made with other sized players who have fauiled after huge expectations (Des Howard listed here as one of them). But it seems as though you can always find players of any size and ability who have failed to live up to hype. I just don't think that's true with Bush. Just a special, special player. The comparisons to Faulk are much closer to reality than to Howard.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

I think some you guys are vastly underrating Reggie Bush. He's the most exciting RB I've seen play in the Pac-10 since Napoleon Kaufman, and Kaufman didn't have have Reggie's size.And while it's true that Kaufman didn't have a long career (he retired after just 6 years to become a Minister) he did put up some solid numbers. In the 1997 season he finished the year with 1294 rushing yards, 403 receiving yards, and 8 TD's. Those numbers were good enough to make him the 5th best fantasy RB, and the 8th best fantasy player overall.I fully expect Bush to dwarf Kaufman's '97 numbers in the pros, as well as the numbers of guys like Warrick Dunn and Brian Westbrook. I'm not ready to put him in the same category as Faulk yet, but the upside is definitely there. If he is put in the right situation in the pros, look out...

 

[jurb26]

Bush is so good it's scary at this point. He is the only reason USC won today. He won the Heisman today IMO.

 

[Gringoloco]

I think some you guys are vastly underrating Reggie Bush.

FYI, I quoted a post that started more than five months ago. I would imagine many of those doubters then have started to agree with my original sentiment.

 

[Gerg73]

Nah, He didn't show the Ability to carry it 25+ Times and break Tackles or....What?....He had 160 Yards and 3 TD's on 16 Carries?...um...well.....He's STILL TOO SMALL! There will always be these kinds of arguments coming from HATERS. The FACT is, he will be a Top 5 Pick next year and I PRAY that My Cleveland Browns get him.