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Raiderfan32904
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Yeah, I think he's a must start. He will get plenty of touches and even if it's a blowout, he'll be heavily in the mix on every series. About the only thing I don't count on him for are GL looks. In PPR, he's money.
I am excited to see what this guy can do with the full workload...change of scenery could be just what he needed... it could be really scary, or it could be incredibly bad as far as the Rushing numbers go lol... regardless of how he ends up doing.. you KNOW he will get plenty of opportunities to shine, Miami has to have somewhere in their gameplan, "RUN LIKE HELL TO KEEP TOM BRADY and CO. OFF THE FIELD" lol
either way.. he is going to get you 5-10 receptions, 50-100yds... somewhere in there depending on what day it is... and definitely is worth the start in PPR
either way.. he is going to get you 5-10 receptions, 50-100yds... somewhere in there depending on what day it is... and definitely is worth the start in PPR
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
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Nice link... 
Considering benching Felix for him due to the formidable jets d at home, but not sure yet... Knowing he would be getting a full load would help, but not gonna just take your word for it.
Luckily I get to make the call after the bulk of the day is done, so it might depend on where my score is at and what I need out of my rb2.
Considering benching Felix for him due to the formidable jets d at home, but not sure yet... Knowing he would be getting a full load would help, but not gonna just take your word for it.
Luckily I get to make the call after the bulk of the day is done, so it might depend on where my score is at and what I need out of my rb2.
Shutout
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Is this the same reggie Bush that has caused me to pull my hair out the past 4 years?'Raiderfan32904 said:
Yeah, I think he's a must start. He will get plenty of touches and even if it's a blowout, he'll be heavily in the mix on every series. About the only thing I don't count on him for are GL looks. In PPR, he's money.
Not trying to be Snarky: serious question here...for those who are high on Bush now, what is it exactly that leads you to thinking that he is going to be more productive on the Dolphins than he was with brees and the Saints and all those weapons? I get the idea of increased comitment, but the Saints had tons of opportunities where the Dolphins simply are not that good on offense. So, is it really so much better to say we are going to heavily commit to a guy (but only have 40 offensive plays) vs. saying we are going to use a guy sparingly (but have 80 plays)?
I'm not sure who the sarcasm is directed at but here is a link to Rotoworld quoting Tony Sparano saying he will get the bulk of the touches.http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3600/reggie-bushNice link...
Considering benching Felix for him due to the formidable jets d at home, but not sure yet... Knowing he would be getting a full load would help, but not gonna just take your word for it.
Luckily I get to make the call after the bulk of the day is done, so it might depend on where my score is at and what I need out of my rb2.
I don't think anyone is saying he's Jamaal Charles, but compared to many matchup RB2's and Flex options this week he's looking like a good play.
His first 3 years in NO, when he got 10+ carries most games... he was a top 10 fantasy point per game back in PPR.Actual finishes of 10th, 6th, 10th. What happens when he gets a full load?And as far as predicting injuries go, which I don't do... I'll add that he looked considerably bulked up in preseason. I looked at his arms and the first thing I thought was "wow those are Thomas Jones like biceps." He just looked like a different player to me.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
No brainer flex play in PPR, maybe in non-PPR as well. Yes, it's possible that Bush isn't as effective we'd hope because of NE's stout D and Bush's failure to truly launch himself as a featured, dependable back.
But the stars don't align better for Bush in his situation for this game, with Thomas being ineffectual and banged up, and Hilliard not being a threat. Miami will need to be dynamic and throw a lot of looks at the NE D, so this bodes well for REggie's use in traditional backfield sets as well as splitting out wide, used on dumps and screens, maybe even a Wildcat look or two.
The one threat might be Larry Johnson -- I think Larry is just too far removed from regular play time to tear NE up, but he does provide a solid North SOuth between the tackles style that Bush does not, and if he finds some success, that might be critical to moving NE's D around to Miami's advantage. This itself might benefit Bush, too, if they employ 2-back sets, but I don't know enough about Miami's usual packages to know.
Bottom line is that Bush looked great in the preseason, and he is in a great position here to see tons of looks, and Miami is going to have to lean heavily on him and the dynamicism he can bring to the playcalling in order to stay in this game.
But the stars don't align better for Bush in his situation for this game, with Thomas being ineffectual and banged up, and Hilliard not being a threat. Miami will need to be dynamic and throw a lot of looks at the NE D, so this bodes well for REggie's use in traditional backfield sets as well as splitting out wide, used on dumps and screens, maybe even a Wildcat look or two.
The one threat might be Larry Johnson -- I think Larry is just too far removed from regular play time to tear NE up, but he does provide a solid North SOuth between the tackles style that Bush does not, and if he finds some success, that might be critical to moving NE's D around to Miami's advantage. This itself might benefit Bush, too, if they employ 2-back sets, but I don't know enough about Miami's usual packages to know.
Bottom line is that Bush looked great in the preseason, and he is in a great position here to see tons of looks, and Miami is going to have to lean heavily on him and the dynamicism he can bring to the playcalling in order to stay in this game.
johnadams
Footballguy
I think you ask a good question. In PPR, I think Bush will finish, in terms of ppg, as a top 10 back. I qualify this with PPG as injuries are always a concern. Without PPR, his value is pretty low, but no back gets a bigger bump in PPR than Reggie Bush. Here are his per game averages since he arrived in PPR:06: 16.8 (ninth overall for RBs)Is this the same reggie Bush that has caused me to pull my hair out the past 4 years?'Raiderfan32904 said:
Yeah, I think he's a must start. He will get plenty of touches and even if it's a blowout, he'll be heavily in the mix on every series. About the only thing I don't count on him for are GL looks. In PPR, he's money.
Not trying to be Snarky: serious question here...for those who are high on Bush now, what is it exactly that leads you to thinking that he is going to be more productive on the Dolphins than he was with brees and the Saints and all those weapons? I get the idea of increased comitment, but the Saints had tons of opportunities where the Dolphins simply are not that good on offense. So, is it really so much better to say we are going to heavily commit to a guy (but only have 40 offensive plays) vs. saying we are going to use a guy sparingly (but have 80 plays)?
07: 17.4 (7)
08: 17.2 (5)
09: 12 (28)
10: 9.5 (35)
It's a little scary to see the drops in 2009, but he was riddled with injuries both years and the Saints seemed to have made a decision to move away from him. It's not like he's been frustrating his whole career. The first three years in NO were dynamite from a PPR perspective and I think he's a legit RB2 in that format right now with serious upside to be a RB1 even if he's not the "man." It's the level of commitment from MIA coaching staff that leads people to think he can return to being a top 10 PPR player. Of course, the inevitable injury should temper that expectation, but when healthy, I'm very high on Reggie.
In non-PPR, he's probably no better than a bye week filler.
CompetitiveEdgeFootball
Footballguy
Since is probably the only game of the year he'll be fully healthy, I'm starting him with impunity! 
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
The sarcasm was at someone asserting something, but not providing a link or a quote. Had they done what you did, Mr Roll eyes wouldn't come out.As you know as along timer here, many people just make their own assertions here as if they can will things to happen. If you re gonna start a thread, might as well go the extra inch and add a link/paragraph/quote etc...I'm not sure who the sarcasm is directed at but here is a link to Rotoworld quoting Tony Sparano saying he will get the bulk of the touches.http://www.rotoworld...600/reggie-bushNice link...
Considering benching Felix for him due to the formidable jets d at home, but not sure yet... Knowing he would be getting a full load would help, but not gonna just take your word for it.
Luckily I get to make the call after the bulk of the day is done, so it might depend on where my score is at and what I need out of my rb2.
I don't think anyone is saying he's Jamaal Charles, but compared to many matchup RB2's and Flex options this week he's looking like a good play.
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
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for those checking on their phones, it doesn't hurt to do this either
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
You also have to think that the announcers saying "sproles is a substantial upgrade from Bush" seemingly every 10 minutes should provide a lil extra motivation for Reggie.
Frenchy Fuqua
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Reggie Bush eager for first carry as a Dolphin
By Associated Press | Friday, September 9, 2011 | http://www.bostonherald.com | NFL Coverage
Photo by AP
MIAMI - Reggie Bush enjoys taking pitchouts. He likes sweeps and traps and picking a hole up the middle behind zone blocking.
So which play does he prefer?
"My favorite running play?" he says. "Hand me the ball."
The Miami Dolphins [team stats] plan to do that a lot this season in the hope their new running back can carry them to the playoffs.
Bush will likely take his first handoff early in Monday night’s season opener against the New England Patriots [team stats], who will be ready with a 350-pound response in run-stuffer Albert Haynesworth.
The Dolphins made their biggest acquisition of the summer when they traded for Bush shortly after the NFL lockout ended. The Patriots traded for Haynesworth the same day.
Miami was looking to jump-start a sputtering offense desperate for a breakaway threat. New England wanted to fortify a leaky defense that undermined the productivity of Tom Brady [stats]’s potent offense last year.
The success of the two teams’ attempts to upgrade will help determine this year’s AFC East race. The Patriots (14-2 in 2010) want to repeat as division champions and then win a postseason game for the first time since 2007. The Dolphins (7-9) are eager to improve enough to make the playoffs for only the second time since 2001.
If Bush and Haynesworth don’t play a big role in Monday’s outcome, other newcomers might.
The Dolphins, seeking more big plays from their defense, added linebacker Kevin Burnett and brought back linebacker Jason Taylor for his third stint in Miami.
The Patriots, whose third-down defense was dismal last year, acquired pass rushers Shaun Ellis, Andre Carter and Mark Anderson. They also provided Brady with a tantalizing new target in Chad Ochocinco, who teams up with Wes Welker and Deion Branch.
"We’ve added new guys; other teams have added new guys," Brady says. "How it all comes together - that’s why we’re playing the games."
Game 1 will help clarify Bush’s role in the Miami attack directed by another newcomer, offensive coordinator Brian Daboll. Coach Tony Sparano insists the 203-pound, injury-prone Bush will get the most touches of any Dolphins back, and that includes plunges between the tackles into the Patriots’ 970-pound front three of Haynesworth, Vince Wilfork [stats] and Mike Wright.
"We’re going to try to get Reg involved different ways," Sparano says. "A good way to get him involved is to turn and hand him the ball."
Bush missed eight games last season in New Orleans with a leg injury. The only time the former Heisman Trophy winner played all 16 games in a season was his rookie year in 2006.
But he embraced the trade to Miami because he wanted to be the feature back, and he’s eager to show skeptics he can handle a heavy workload.
"I love the fact that there are doubters out there, because those are the people that drive me to strive and be even greater," Bush says. "Obviously I hear it; I’m not deaf. I understand where it comes from. I’ve had my share of injuries throughout my career. All I can do is give my all."
Bush says he likes running up the middle because it’s the shortest route to the goal line, and he had success between the tackles during the exhibition season.
"He’s running hard this year," Patriots linebacker Jerod Mayo says. "Watching the preseason, he’s breaking a lot of tackles so he adds a whole other dynamic to the offense. He can break a 2-yard run and take it to the house."
Bush is an even bigger threat on the flank, where he has more room to make moves. With 294 career receptions, he provides a valuable safety valve for quarterback Chad Henne, who has been prone to making bad decisions under pressure.
Now, when Ellis, Carter or Anderson bear down on Henne, he can simply swing the ball out to Bush.
Bill Belichick’s Patriots have never faced Bush, but the coach is well aware of the challenge involved.
"Reggie is a very dynamic player, a great receiver as a running back," Belichick says. "He’s really part receiver, part running back and a hard guy to match up against. He has a lot of explosive plays. You give him a little space and he can gain a lot of yards in a hurry."
Miami will likely need some big plays to keep up with Brady’s crew. Last year the Patriots led the NFL with an average of 32.4 points per game, and they beat the Dolphins twice while outscoring them 79-21.
The Dolphins believe they’ve upgraded their pass rush with the reacquisition of NFL active sack leader Taylor, the addition of Burnett and the return of 2010 first-round draft Jared Odrick, who missed all but one game last season because of a leg injury.
Taylor leads all active players with 132½ sacks, and 10½ have come against Brady.
"You’ve got to pressure the guy," Taylor says, "because he’s the best in the league, period."
While the game will include plenty of newcomers to the rivalry, count on familiar foes to play a role, too.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view.bg?articleid=1364629&format=text
By Associated Press | Friday, September 9, 2011 | http://www.bostonherald.com | NFL Coverage
Photo by AP
MIAMI - Reggie Bush enjoys taking pitchouts. He likes sweeps and traps and picking a hole up the middle behind zone blocking.
So which play does he prefer?
"My favorite running play?" he says. "Hand me the ball."
The Miami Dolphins [team stats] plan to do that a lot this season in the hope their new running back can carry them to the playoffs.
Bush will likely take his first handoff early in Monday night’s season opener against the New England Patriots [team stats], who will be ready with a 350-pound response in run-stuffer Albert Haynesworth.
The Dolphins made their biggest acquisition of the summer when they traded for Bush shortly after the NFL lockout ended. The Patriots traded for Haynesworth the same day.
Miami was looking to jump-start a sputtering offense desperate for a breakaway threat. New England wanted to fortify a leaky defense that undermined the productivity of Tom Brady [stats]’s potent offense last year.
The success of the two teams’ attempts to upgrade will help determine this year’s AFC East race. The Patriots (14-2 in 2010) want to repeat as division champions and then win a postseason game for the first time since 2007. The Dolphins (7-9) are eager to improve enough to make the playoffs for only the second time since 2001.
If Bush and Haynesworth don’t play a big role in Monday’s outcome, other newcomers might.
The Dolphins, seeking more big plays from their defense, added linebacker Kevin Burnett and brought back linebacker Jason Taylor for his third stint in Miami.
The Patriots, whose third-down defense was dismal last year, acquired pass rushers Shaun Ellis, Andre Carter and Mark Anderson. They also provided Brady with a tantalizing new target in Chad Ochocinco, who teams up with Wes Welker and Deion Branch.
"We’ve added new guys; other teams have added new guys," Brady says. "How it all comes together - that’s why we’re playing the games."
Game 1 will help clarify Bush’s role in the Miami attack directed by another newcomer, offensive coordinator Brian Daboll. Coach Tony Sparano insists the 203-pound, injury-prone Bush will get the most touches of any Dolphins back, and that includes plunges between the tackles into the Patriots’ 970-pound front three of Haynesworth, Vince Wilfork [stats] and Mike Wright.
"We’re going to try to get Reg involved different ways," Sparano says. "A good way to get him involved is to turn and hand him the ball."
Bush missed eight games last season in New Orleans with a leg injury. The only time the former Heisman Trophy winner played all 16 games in a season was his rookie year in 2006.
But he embraced the trade to Miami because he wanted to be the feature back, and he’s eager to show skeptics he can handle a heavy workload.
"I love the fact that there are doubters out there, because those are the people that drive me to strive and be even greater," Bush says. "Obviously I hear it; I’m not deaf. I understand where it comes from. I’ve had my share of injuries throughout my career. All I can do is give my all."
Bush says he likes running up the middle because it’s the shortest route to the goal line, and he had success between the tackles during the exhibition season.
"He’s running hard this year," Patriots linebacker Jerod Mayo says. "Watching the preseason, he’s breaking a lot of tackles so he adds a whole other dynamic to the offense. He can break a 2-yard run and take it to the house."
Bush is an even bigger threat on the flank, where he has more room to make moves. With 294 career receptions, he provides a valuable safety valve for quarterback Chad Henne, who has been prone to making bad decisions under pressure.
Now, when Ellis, Carter or Anderson bear down on Henne, he can simply swing the ball out to Bush.
Bill Belichick’s Patriots have never faced Bush, but the coach is well aware of the challenge involved.
"Reggie is a very dynamic player, a great receiver as a running back," Belichick says. "He’s really part receiver, part running back and a hard guy to match up against. He has a lot of explosive plays. You give him a little space and he can gain a lot of yards in a hurry."
Miami will likely need some big plays to keep up with Brady’s crew. Last year the Patriots led the NFL with an average of 32.4 points per game, and they beat the Dolphins twice while outscoring them 79-21.
The Dolphins believe they’ve upgraded their pass rush with the reacquisition of NFL active sack leader Taylor, the addition of Burnett and the return of 2010 first-round draft Jared Odrick, who missed all but one game last season because of a leg injury.
Taylor leads all active players with 132½ sacks, and 10½ have come against Brady.
"You’ve got to pressure the guy," Taylor says, "because he’s the best in the league, period."
While the game will include plenty of newcomers to the rivalry, count on familiar foes to play a role, too.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view.bg?articleid=1364629&format=text
Badgers Fan
Footballguy
Rolling with Reggie Bush over Jahvid Best. I feel I'll make the wrong decision either way, so might as well play the guy I can watch on national television.
timschochet
Footballguy
I'm considering starting him over Ahmed Bradshaw. Non PPR league. I just haven't been able to pull the trigger.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Bush is getting the nod for me over Felix.Nice link...
eakfootball
Footballguy
All the buzz will be around him. Then he'll go down for the year in week 3.
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
I don't know about that. I've got a feeling Ryan Mathews is primed for the breakout year that everyone was expecting from him as a rookie. And he's gonna kick things off with a big week 1 vs. a depleted Vikes front.
Phins are going to have a really hard time getting any push at all against Wilfork/Haynesworth.
GL
djjosee
Footballguy
Same here ... in a .5 ppr.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
1st, I think his overall productivity when healthy is underestimated. He has averaged almost exactly 5 catches per game during his 5 year career. That projects out to 80 catches per season. He leads all RBs in receptions since 2006 even with all the time he's missed. 2nd, With that in mind, I think it is fair to say he is going to be on the field a lot more and is on a team with way fewer offensive weapons where he'll receive even more targets. He has a good shot to give Ray Rice and LeSean McCoy a run for their money for most receptions by a RB. I think he is at least going to meet his 5 catch per game career average.Is this the same reggie Bush that has caused me to pull my hair out the past 4 years?'Raiderfan32904 said:
Yeah, I think he's a must start. He will get plenty of touches and even if it's a blowout, he'll be heavily in the mix on every series. About the only thing I don't count on him for are GL looks. In PPR, he's money.
Not trying to be Snarky: serious question here...for those who are high on Bush now, what is it exactly that leads you to thinking that he is going to be more productive on the Dolphins than he was with brees and the Saints and all those weapons? I get the idea of increased comitment, but the Saints had tons of opportunities where the Dolphins simply are not that good on offense. So, is it really so much better to say we are going to heavily commit to a guy (but only have 40 offensive plays) vs. saying we are going to use a guy sparingly (but have 80 plays)?
3rd, Let's take a look at what 5 catches per game means for a RB who is also going to get 10+ carries per game... 5 catches, 40 yards, 0.2 TDs per game and he is scoring you 10 PPG without a single rush. If he adds another 50-60 yards rushing with the occasional TD there, he's a top 12 RB scoring 17+PPG in PPR leagues...
It may not look pretty and it may not feel like he's a RB1, but the numbers all add up and they're hard to ignore in my opinion.
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
Bush isn't going to live up to the hype over the long haul. He's not a between the tackles runner or an every down back and it wont take long for teams to scheme him out. Miami is going to have to throw a lot unless LJ or Thomas can get a grinding run game going.
I don't think this statement takes into consideration how he has been used this preseason.
New Orleans stopped using him a lot because he was awful running the ball. He isn't a big play rb that people think he is and by all metrics rb's are judged he is bad.
He will put up decent stats because Miami will give him touches, but it will be to the detriment of the teams success and eventually they will convert him back to the cop role he fits into.
He will put up decent stats because Miami will give him touches, but it will be to the detriment of the teams success and eventually they will convert him back to the cop role he fits into.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
1. No one is arguing he's a good running back in 'real' football, only 'fantasy' football, and even more specifically, 'fantasy' football.2. If he goes back to being a COP, isn't the ideal 'sell high' candidate?
I suppose what it will come down to, in the end, is a simple question.... is Reggie Bush good? Can he dominate the game when given ample opportunity? I believe he can. I just don't believe it.... this week. That's why, for the purpose of this thread, I believe you bench Bush if you have someone decent to throw in there. (I have Jahvid Best).It is what it is. Reggie will get his, but the Patriots are ready and have earned our respect, fantasy or otherwise.I love you all but enough is enough. Go with your RB2, resist the urge. The clouds will part.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
I'm very high on Bush, but I do agree with this. I think he's a really nice flex play in PPR, but I don't know that I'd be starting him at RB2 over guys like Jahvid Best, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc. I'm personally starting him in all 3 leagues I own him in but due in some part to the specific circumstances. In 1 league I'm awful at RB and have no other legit options, in 1 league b/c Bush is filling in for Arian Foster week 1 and in 1 league b/c he's the clear best option at flex (guys like A. Hernandez, J. Ford, etc. as the other options make it a no-brainer). Without looking at the rankings/matchups really in-depth, for now I have Reggie in that 16-20 range of my week 1 RB rankings for PPR. A nice option, but not a guy I'm benching my early round picks for just yet.'GCP said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Bush is going to have a hard time matching what Sproles did THU night - 250 total yards getting touches four different ways. Just rushing & receiving in a 1.0 PPR Sproles put up a 15.2. Really wondering if Bush can match that. The key is Miami has to throw him the ball a lot, not just from a FF perspective but from an NFL perspective that team needs to figure out how to move the ball downfield. If they fall behind vs NE (good chance of that) they may just rely on him quite a bit.
therokie0070
Footballguy
Dont assume Miami will fall behind!! Miami has owned NE in the past, its kinda one of those head scratchers for me!!! But I do see Bush having a good night regardless of the score!!
Yes. Bush vs. Mathews is a close call.Bush has a higher floor IMO (esp. in PPR) due to a lot of positive intangibles and less uncertainty over being the feature back. I would say Mathews could have higher upside, however, (esp. if SD gets the lead early) with a greater likelihood of getting in the end zone (SD more powerful offense, Bush hasn't impressed me around the GL and big plays seem tough against NE).'Scrappy Doo said:
Both are relatively late games, so if I'm down significantly after the first set of games then might reconsider and gamble on Mathews but otherwise see Bush as the better play.
Mark in Tennessee
Footballguy
Also torn here on starting Bush over the likes of Bradshaw, or Felix.
I too like Bush this week, since he is healthy and hopefully motivated.
Does anyone know the status of the Phin's "wild cat offense"? Would they consider a couple of plays where Bush takes direct snaps???
I just remember what that did to Ronnie Brown's value a few years ago..
Just a thought
I too like Bush this week, since he is healthy and hopefully motivated.
Does anyone know the status of the Phin's "wild cat offense"? Would they consider a couple of plays where Bush takes direct snaps???
I just remember what that did to Ronnie Brown's value a few years ago..
Just a thought
No comparison. Bush got a lot of touches his first few years, and had a bad YPC/bad YPC/and very few big plays. It isn't like McFadden who had much better production given his opportunities.
He got more running opportunities as a rook, but he tore it up on the recieving game. Is it possible he is a different/better runner now than his rookie year?
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I love how Jahvid Best is being considered better than Reggie Bush when he has never had as good of a season as Bush.... he was hurt all year long last year, and he is splitting the Carries this year.... is this because he hasn't made you very angry yet?? ... don't worry... it will happen I had him last year... he is not an every down back, and Reggie Bush could easily get more receptions as well as way more rushing yards playing in a system that loves to run the ball...
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LittlePhatty
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flc735
Footballguy
oh crap...:thunderstorm:
