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Regulations That Hold Back Job Creation (1 Viewer)

cstu

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I've seen Republican politicians running on the message that Democrats are bad for business because they support regulations that hold back job creation. I never hear any specifics though.

Specifically, what are the regulations holding back job creation?

 
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I work on a project team under corporate accounting for a Fortune 500 bank.  Most of the work we get is related to M&A, accounting systems upgrades or tax efficiencies.  I love regulations they are great for business.

 
Those pesky environmental regulations.  Not like the good old days when you could just dump your waste right into the local river.  That was way more cost effective. 

 
I'm being serious - if there are unnecessary regulations that need to be removed in order to encourage job creation I want to know what they are.  TIA.

 
Those pesky environmental regulations.  Not like the good old days when you could just dump your waste right into the local river.  That was way more cost effective. 
Let's take carbon emissions quotas.  How are you saving the envirinment by pushing factories from cleaner factories in the US to third world countries which don't care.   The net result is more CO2 emissions and more global warming.  

 
Let's take carbon emissions quotas.  How are you saving the envirinment by pushing factories from cleaner factories in the US to third world countries which don't care.   The net result is more CO2 emissions and more global warming.  
You and I are nearly on the same page when it comes to climate change.  Whatever the real threat CO2 poses I believe that encouraging the switch to renewable energy has national security benefits.  I don't think there's a need to go overboard in implementing radical change but setting a long-term goal of reducing CO2 emissions accomplishes two things - making the U.S. more energy independent and reducing pollutants that are much worse than CO2 (which I don't consider a true pollutant).

Here are some facts on Obama's Clean Power Plan, I don't think they are radical at all:

The Clean Power Plan Has Big Public Health and Climate Benefits


  • The Clean Power Plan has public health and climate benefits worth an estimated $34 billion to $54 billion per year in 2030, far outweighing the costs of $8.4 billion.
     
  • Reducing exposure to particle pollution and ozone in 2030 will avoid a projected
     

    1,500 to 3,600 premature deaths
  • 90,000 asthma attacks in children
  • Up to 1,700 heart attacks
  • 1,700 hospital admissions
  • 300,000 missed school and work days

  • From the soot and smog reductions alone, for every dollar invested through the Clean Power Plan – American families will see up to $4 in health benefits.
     
  • The Clean Power Plan will reduce pollutants that contribute to the soot and smog that make people sick by over 20 percent in 2030.
     

    318,000 tons of sulfur dioxide
  • 282,000 tons of nitrogen dioxide
     

[*]In EPA’s nearly 45-year history, air pollution has decreased dramatically across the county, improving public health protection for all Americans while the economy has grown. 

 
I'm being serious - if there are unnecessary regulations that need to be removed in order to encourage job creation I want to know what they are.  TIA.
I started a new business back in February, and the regulations are a pain in the ###. As an employer, I have to comply with a dozen or so different local, state and federal offices, which of course all require their own forms to be submitted quarterly. Doing the math, I've found that for every six to eight full time employees I need one full time employee just to handle all the regulations.

It would be much more efficient if all these different offices accepted one filing source. So If I hire "Joe Schmoe" I file for Joe once every three months instead of a dozen times every three months. 

 
I started a new business back in February, and the regulations are a pain in the ###. As an employer, I have to comply with a dozen or so different local, state and federal offices, which of course all require their own forms to be submitted quarterly. Doing the math, I've found that for every six to eight full time employees I need one full time employee just to handle all the regulations.

It would be much more efficient if all these different offices accepted one filing source. So If I hire "Joe Schmoe" I file for Joe once every three months instead of a dozen times every three months. 
I'm on board with that.  However, I have not heard of Republicans advocating for it.  That's the kind of common sense solutions I expect from Republicans but they don't offer them.

 
At least in California, I find that most of the regulations that are onerous are local and vary from city to city. State and local rules are of much greater concern than federal, IMO. 

 
I started a new business back in February, and the regulations are a pain in the ###. As an employer, I have to comply with a dozen or so different local, state and federal offices, which of course all require their own forms to be submitted quarterly. Doing the math, I've found that for every six to eight full time employees I need one full time employee just to handle all the regulations.

It would be much more efficient if all these different offices accepted one filing source. So If I hire "Joe Schmoe" I file for Joe once every three months instead of a dozen times every three months. 
If you have to hire extra employees to comply with the regulations, then it seems like the regulations are job creators.

 
:lol:

so now man made global warming is a thing. interesting 
You should read more.  I have not denied any link between the two. I have denied the excessive fear-mongering and arbitrary limits they throw out.  The point is, if you buy into the fear-mongering many of the policies promoted do the exact opposite of what the goal is. 

 
:lmao:

It means each job I create costs me 12 to 17% more than the job I need done. 
Pretty much wipes out the profit margins of most businesses.  Successful business rely on a model where they can produce goods and services in an efficient manner for a price people are willing to pay.  

 
Pretty much wipes out the profit margins of most businesses.  Successful business rely on a model where they can produce goods and services in an efficient manner for a price people are willing to pay.  
I wouldn't say most businesses. Large businesses can comply to the regulations efficiently. It's small businesses that spend a larger chunk of their resources to comply. Combine that with the fact that small businesses don't get the volume discounts larger businesses get, and the small business cost model sucks compared to the large business cost model. If small businesses are the creator of jobs, then regulations shouldn't be a bigger burden on small businesses than it is on larger businesses. 

 
I started a new business back in February, and the regulations are a pain in the ###. As an employer, I have to comply with a dozen or so different local, state and federal offices, which of course all require their own forms to be submitted quarterly. Doing the math, I've found that for every six to eight full time employees I need one full time employee just to handle all the regulations.

It would be much more efficient if all these different offices accepted one filing source. So If I hire "Joe Schmoe" I file for Joe once every three months instead of a dozen times every three months. 
Can you possibly specify the federal regulations in question?

 
If you have to hire extra employees to comply with the regulations, then it seems like the regulations are job creators.
Yes, and if we made sure via regulation that all construction jobs requiring digging had to be done with spoons, we would have jobs as far as the eye could see.

 
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Can you possibly specify the federal regulations in question?
Federal Forms: 

I-9

W-2

W-4

940

941

State Forms for Ohio:

OH-IT-941

OH JFS 20127

OH IT-3

Then all the local ones I'd have to go look in my files as they can't be done electronically through Quickbooks.

Since I have less than 50 full time employees, there are other federal regulations that don't apply to me... like Obamacare. 

 
What type of people do you think you could hire at that wage?
Lots of people if the government didn't have food stamps, SS, unemployment benefits and other liberal freebies that keep them from having to take jobs for pennies.

 
Lots of people if the government didn't have food stamps, SS, unemployment benefits and other liberal freebies that keep them from having to take jobs for pennies.
Those people are more likely to rob stores than to work full time for you for $200 a week.  How would you expect a person to live on $800 a month minus taxes?

 
If you have to hire extra employees to comply with the regulations, then it seems like the regulations are job creators.
If we went to a flat tax and cut way back on reporting the bank I work for could lay off 3,000 people tomorrow including myself.  We could cut way back on technology spend having to support all of it.  Free up capital for other ventures.

 
You don't think you should have to check whether they are legally able to work in this country?
If the government does not check people, why should it be up to business to police them.  The government allows illegals access to schools and other services, and access to driving licenses.   Why is it business burden to deny them work when the government does very little to keep them out.  

 
They don't even realize they are working Tor that though.  
I've looked at the numbers and they don't consider that drivers use their car for personal use (which they don't claim) and can write off a ton of expenses on taxes (i.e. gas for personal use).  Illegal of course but that's what most are doing to net a decent hourly wage.  Also, they don't factor in the freedom drivers have - even if they net $10 an hour then that's better than making $10 an hour working a 9-5 job with a boss breathing down your neck (see Ren Hoek's thread).

 
hfs.

we spend 15 billion (with a b) on protecting the borders alone.  and right now the US spends more on the problem then it ever has.
Once they get in they treat illegals almost like real citizens.  Police are not allowed to ask for ID.  They are allowed into our schools.  Hospitals must provide care.  If we are not gonna deport them, it seem ridiculous we only crack down on allowing them to work.  The way the policy is enforced their only option is criminal activity.   Given that there are 15-20 million here, it is just stupid that the point many leftists think we need to crack down is allowing them to work and come down hard on businesses when it was the giveenment's failure for allowing them to be here in the first place. 

 
Those people are more likely to rob stores than to work full time for you for $200 a week.  How would you expect a person to live on $800 a month minus taxes?
I would build my own apartments and stores that they can cheaply live in and shop in. I would probably ban them from procreation, dating and recreation (assuming the current job killing regulations preventing me from doing so are also removed). 

 
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How about environmental regulations regarding bald eagles.  They aren't even endangered species anymore.  I agree that some environmental regulations are necessary, but some have become ridiculous.  

 
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How about environmental regulations regarding bald eagles.  They aren't even endangered species anymore.  I agree that some environmental regulations are necessary, but some have become ridiculous.  
How do the masses of bald eagles hold back job creation?

They swoop? They screech?

I got nothin' here, help a brother out

 
How do the masses of bald eagles hold back job creation?

They swoop? They screech?

I got nothin' here, help a brother out
Sorry, I missed the "job creation part".  However, if you drill down I guess it could be tied to job creation.  If a developer is spending a bunch of resources on environmental regulations, maybe they could be building more with that money.  Then again, the ecologist have jobs because of these things, so who knows...  What's better job wise?  A few ecologist & agency officials, or a bunch of contractors?  

 
Sorry, I missed the "job creation part".  However, if you drill down I guess it could be tied to job creation.  If a developer is spending a bunch of resources on environmental regulations, maybe they could be building more with that money.  Then again, the ecologist have jobs because of these things, so who knows...  What's better job wise?  A few ecologist & agency officials, or a bunch of contractors?  
Seems like the world would be a better place without any of these people.  Put them on an island together to build sanctuary homes for eagles 

 
If the government does not check people, why should it be up to business to police them.  The government allows illegals access to schools and other services, and access to driving licenses.   Why is it business burden to deny them work when the government does very little to keep them out.  
It's a burden to have an employee fill out a W-9?

 
I'm not sure it's regulations, but really the costs to employ workers for manufacturing jobs in the US with a living wage and benefits. The cat is out of the bag so to speak in terms of the cost of making something in the USA vs. making the same thing in a foreign country where workers are comparatively paid pennies on the dollar and then shipping the completed good to the US or to an OUS destination for final sale to a customer. With big international companies, I'm not sure those jobs ever come back stateside, and even though the theory of lowering the corporate tax rate below 35% I think would help, I'm not sure that it would ever completely offset the costs to manufacture things OUS. Whatever zig approach the US government would take to address, companies will look right to their bottom line after the cascade effect of XYZ changes and zag as appropriate to achieve maximum cost saving. I don't think that there's a silver bullet there, moreso just a reality at this point.

 

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