Rehab - About to check myself in (1 Viewer)

[PIK95]

What's the consensus? Shtick? I sure hope it isn't.

I wish it was but I don't think so.

 

[Clifford]

I'm voting schtick.

 

[Clifford]

I'm voting schtick.

Yep. I mean cmon

 

[shuke]

I was a legend in the AA community for a decade.

I knew Trey. I would sell him opiates from 1995-1998.

Classic stuff here. Whether it's true or not, greatest poster ever. Get better, Fin.

 

[jdoggydogg]

We've only chatted a bit, but I wish you all the best in the world. As a former heavy drug user, I feel for you.

All that matters now is you've made the brave step of admitting you need help. I know you don't need advice, but this may help a little: your road to recovery must be filled with love. Love of yourself and love of others. Open your heart and be vulnerable to your pain.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Stay focused on recovery. It will save your life.

 

[David Dodds]

Addiction sucks. I just lost a dear friend that was just 47 from addiction. Stay strong Fin. Wishing you the best in your time of need.

 

[tommyboy]

been there, done that.

good luck.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

I'm agreeing with what you are sensing about his lack of humility, but I'm not sure I agree he isn't ready to kick and clean up, because I'm not sure I trust the story at all. I have doubts. He's certainly familiar with the culture but that isn't enough to convince me. Either are pictures.

I've seen the needle, damage, done. I know the broken hearted, beneath pond scum repentance of a dozen strung out junkies ready to kick. I've never ever heard one who was ready come across like Fin. Maybe he's just an ### regardless, but most of those I know were asses anyway. So, one of a dozen things about this thread that bothers me is that he continues to try to impress us. Please. He's a junky. Time to check the ego at the door. We're not impressed. You think he's not ready. I guess you might be right. I would feel the same almost any place but here. Here I sniff a fishing trip.

Really confusing. There is nothing to brag about here. I have to stick a needle in my arm to get out of bed in the morning. I do it another 3-4 times throughout the day. How is that impressive? It's sick and disgusting. Careful with the "Junky" talk though. I'm not a thief. I don't steal. I still have my morals. But, yeah photographic evidence wouldn't be enough to put the fishing accusations to rest?

I'm just a FBG who is suffering.

I wish you the best if this is all true. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt but given your posting history and how well you post in your apparent state you don't come across as someone who's hit rock bottom from drugs. Maybe you are a functioning heroin addict, if such a thing is possible.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Fin told me about this a few months ago, and we're friends on FB and have talked on the phone. So if it's shtick, it's very well-planned shtick. Or I'm in on it too, I guess. Re: the disagreement between Fin and WP, who both have had several great posts in this thread each, I think what WP infers is bravado is just Fin making jokes in the face of a serious situation to help cope.

A buddy's dad cracked up his motorcycle and permanently f'ed up his arm. He got hooked on painkillers, but eventually the doctors installed some sort of "pain pump" in to his body, which effectively ended his addiction. And now he's 100% better. Guy brought down the house at said buddy's wedding a couple weeks ago with his speech. Hopefully things like this become more widespread and fewer people get hooked on painkillers like this.

Anyway, what I know about serious addiction like this could fit in a thimble. So best of luck to Fin, and best of luck to everyone else who's coping with stuff like this.

 

[Finless]

Fin told me about this a few months ago, and we're friends on FB and have talked on the phone. So if it's shtick, it's very well-planned shtick. Or I'm in on it too, I guess. Re: the disagreement between Fin and WP, who both have had several great posts in this thread each, I think what WP infers is bravado is just Fin making jokes in the face of a serious situation to help cope.A buddy's dad cracked up his motorcycle and permanently f'ed up his arm. He got hooked on painkillers, but eventually the doctors installed some sort of "pain pump" in to his body, which effectively ended his addiction. And now he's 100% better. Guy brought down the house at said buddy's wedding a couple weeks ago with his speech. Hopefully things like this become more widespread and fewer people get hooked on painkillers like this.Anyway, what I know about serious addiction like this could fit in a thimble. So best of luck to Fin, and best of luck to everyone else who's coping with stuff like this.

Is this Jack Zero?Yeah this has all been an elaborate plan to dupe the FFA. Once again all you Shticksters, show me the threads. Show me my fishing threads. I'm not talking about marinade threads. I'm talking a thread where I tried to hook the whole FFA in some drama of mine. Go ahead....show it to me. I've got photos. Let me know if you'd like to see them. Jesus. I'm struggling. I just had a speedball. I NEED HELP.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Tell me about the first time you IV'd. Did you have help?Do you nod?Do they still stamp names on the stuff? I remember it being named like Tyson, 911 and Diet People but this was a long time ago.Do you buy by the bundle?Did you use methadone to get off of it the last time?Growing up in the city I've seen a lot. H is one thing I'm glad I've never tried; I've seen it wreck a lot of people.GL GB

Pretty much every post I read of yours, solidifies what a dousche you are

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I'm not talking about marinade threads.

So we're not supposed to cook meat at 150 degrees?

I just had a speedball. I NEED HELP.

Jesus...You need someone local that can help get you through this. Seriously.

 

[glumpy]

By the sounds of it, you aint even close to a place where rehab is gonna do you any good. You still have waaaay to much of your ego ideal wrapped up in being a drug "player" to make the necessary change. Saving yourself is an act of humility, not of heroism. Save your money - matter of fact, gimme half.

No, I do this alone. No one knows about my life. Its very hidden. I'm almost broke. I have never been humbled like this in my life. Next step would be homeless, honestly. I used to travel around the country and go to conferences. I helped a lot of new AA's out.

Up to pissah's post I was copying quotes to say exactly the same thing. Fin, you're so impressed with yourself for having toughed it through before, for being a hero to AA, for being dry for 10 years...you were set up for a fall. You think you're invincible--and you're not. You think you can remain at the tables without rolling the dice, but you've got people feeding them to you and the play is irresistable. Sure it can be done without rehab or 12 step--but only if you lose the losers who are pushing it on you. You've got to get away from it. Guys delivering it to you? Get rid of them--or get yourself out of their reach. You can't tease yourself with it every day and hope to survive. Maybe it's time you got humbled--if you don't break away from your contacts right now you will be. Quit trying to be the hero; from what I'm seeing it ain't working for you.

 

[John Bender]

Stay strong Fin. You are the greatest poster ever in my eyes and I need you back here.

I made a ####ty fantasy baseball trade yesterday because you haven't been around in the thread to help w my question. That's not the Fin I know. Get some help GB. Get healthy and get your ### to Boston for a Sox game later in the summer.

 

[The Comedian]

So like when are you going to rehab? Because now sounds like a pretty decent time.

 

[Possum]

By the sounds of it, you aint even close to a place where rehab is gonna do you any good. You still have waaaay to much of your ego ideal wrapped up in being a drug "player" to make the necessary change. Saving yourself is an act of humility, not of heroism. Save your money - matter of fact, gimme half.

This is a tough one, bro. Fin keeps setting off my BS detector then resetting it.

but he's starting to set it off more than reset it for me.

What is it exactly that you're saying? I'm confused. Are you thinking I'm just bored making this all up? I can link some photographic evidence if you think I owe it to the board since I've been allegedly fishing it with lies for a decade. This story is true. Anytime I make a post that is beyond a paragraph it's legit. As Nigel pointed out, its fairly easy to differentiate the joke thread from the real. Me buying a segway was clearly a joke thread. It's not even fishing. It's just something I think is funny. I have never started a thread about a situation in my life with the intent of fishing people here. I have no need for that. Go ahead and do a search on threads started by me. You tell me where I'm making up a story about myself to fish the board because I have nothing better to do. I'm a different kind of cat. I've lived a colorful life. Lots of ups and downs. Success and failure. I've been homeless before. I have slept in shelters. I have eaten in soup kitchens. I've been stabbed, shot. And I've also had a lot of really cool things happen in my life as well. I came to the conclusion last night while talking with a very close friend, a girl I regretfully dated, that I am addicted to self destruction. I fall for women who are bad for me. I was addicted to gambling, opiates. What I was getting at was that I don't even know if I classify myself as an addict. I feel like there is something inside of me that draws me to things that will eventually kill me.

yeah, most of your threads I've seen are entertaining - the thing is that your posting is always so over the top that I can't ever be 100% sure it's not all schtick. no offense, homes - if you really have a problem, I hope you get some help for it.

 

[johnnycakes]

I was a legend in the AA community for a decade.

Really? So, for the second time... why haven't you checked in yet?

 

[Death Bytes]

What's the consensus? Shtick? I sure hope it isn't.

You'd prefer to have a guy IRL addicted to drugs and on the verge of death as a result of it? I'd much prefer it being shtick even if it's a bad taste shtick.

Yup. I know people who have gone to rehab. I hate to see some d-bag make up ###### trying to get the FFA to come out and give him emotional support because he thinks it's funny.

Have you been absent from the FFA every single Friday for the past 7 years?

 

[simey]

Fin, i could care less about being more right about you than you are. I'm challenging you to find the place in yourself necessary to beating this thing. And you're not - not even close. Now you're bragging about how humble you are.

Not gonna fight. I never slammed, but I know where drugs live inside one & hurt one. I care, I care you get past this. Time to stop hanging your laundry out here on the line and start packing it for a new destination. If i can help, I'm a PM away. GL -

You're just coming from a place of been there, done that. You're condescending me. And since you were hooked on crank 30 years ago you're clearly qualified to judge me and my situation. Tell me I'm a braggart and I'm destined to fail because of my arrogance. Thanks for taking the time to figure this all out for me. I appreciate it. Maybe I won't make it in to detox. Maybe I'll die tonight or tomorrow and one of my Facebook buddies will pass on the news and you can sit back smugly and say "I told you so".

I agree with a lot of what Wikki has said to you. You can lash out at him, but he is trying to help you not hurt you. You say you are a legend in AA. What's that got to do with you now? You are no different than the people you helped. Right now you're a junkie. It doesn't matter if you don't steal and have morals, the bottom line is you are an active drug addict. Go to rehab and get clean, reintroduce yourself to tools for staying clean, and reintroduce yourself to you. Take that job in Houston if it doesn't include drug buddies or bad influences, and from what you have said your expensive high maintenance girlfriend seems to be a trigger for your using. That's not good. Go get help and start over. You can do it. Good luck to you.

 

[rascal]

Good luck Fin!

 

[Arizona Ron]

Tell me about the first time you IV'd. Did you have help?

Do you nod?

Do they still stamp names on the stuff? I remember it being named like Tyson, 911 and Diet People but this was a long time ago.

Do you buy by the bundle?

Did you use methadone to get off of it the last time?

Growing up in the city I've seen a lot. H is one thing I'm glad I've never tried; I've seen it wreck a lot of people.

GL GB

Pretty much every post I read of yours, solidifies what a dousche you are

He answered every single question HERE

It's a thread he started and open up for any questions. I'm simply asking questions, guy.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I still want to know how you found the motivation and energy to post so frequently. Doesn't junk zone you out?

 

[MikeIke]

A couple weeks ago I spent 3 days zonked out of my mind on Percocet after a surgery. I can now understand how someone can get addicted to painkillers, and I can also see how that would graduate up to heroin.

Good luck, Fin. I, for one, will be rooting for you.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

By the sounds of it, you aint even close to a place where rehab is gonna do you any good. You still have waaaay to much of your ego ideal wrapped up in being a drug "player" to make the necessary change. Saving yourself is an act of humility, not of heroism. Save your money - matter of fact, gimme half.

No, I do this alone. No one knows about my life. Its very hidden. I'm almost broke. I have never been humbled like this in my life. Next step would be homeless, honestly. I used to travel around the country and go to conferences. I helped a lot of new AA's out.

Up to pissah's post I was copying quotes to say exactly the same thing. Fin, you're so impressed with yourself for having toughed it through before, for being a hero to AA, for being dry for 10 years...you were set up for a fall. You think you're invincible--and you're not. You think you can remain at the tables without rolling the dice, but you've got people feeding them to you and the play is irresistable. Sure it can be done without rehab or 12 step--but only if you lose the losers who are pushing it on you. You've got to get away from it. Guys delivering it to you? Get rid of them--or get yourself out of their reach. You can't tease yourself with it every day and hope to survive. Maybe it's time you got humbled--if you don't break away from your contacts right now you will be. Quit trying to be the hero; from what I'm seeing it ain't working for you.

Exactly right. At one point I was close to getting addicted to cocaine (or at least it becoming a serious habit) and I simply cut myself off to avoid the temptation. You need to be able to erase any number you have and do not talk to anyone who has connections. It's hard but it's the only way to get out. I wasn't even that serious of a user yet but I couldn't have stopped myself from buying more if I still had contact with a dealer.

 

[drfeelgood]

By the sounds of it, you aint even close to a place where rehab is gonna do you any good. You still have waaaay to much of your ego ideal wrapped up in being a drug "player" to make the necessary change. Saving yourself is an act of humility, not of heroism. Save your money - matter of fact, gimme half.

No, I do this alone. No one knows about my life. Its very hidden. I'm almost broke. I have never been humbled like this in my life. Next step would be homeless, honestly. I used to travel around the country and go to conferences. I helped a lot of new AA's out.

Up to pissah's post I was copying quotes to say exactly the same thing. Fin, you're so impressed with yourself for having toughed it through before, for being a hero to AA, for being dry for 10 years...you were set up for a fall. You think you're invincible--and you're not. You think you can remain at the tables without rolling the dice, but you've got people feeding them to you and the play is irresistable. Sure it can be done without rehab or 12 step--but only if you lose the losers who are pushing it on you. You've got to get away from it. Guys delivering it to you? Get rid of them--or get yourself out of their reach. You can't tease yourself with it every day and hope to survive. Maybe it's time you got humbled--if you don't break away from your contacts right now you will be. Quit trying to be the hero; from what I'm seeing it ain't working for you.

Exactly right. At one point I was close to getting addicted to cocaine (or at least it becoming a serious habit) and I simply cut myself off to avoid the temptation. You need to be able to erase any number you have and do not talk to anyone who has connections. It's hard but it's the only way to get out. I wasn't even that serious of a user yet but I couldn't have stopped myself from buying more if I still had contact with a dealer.

The difference with him is that he already is addicted. He really needs a rehab. When he said he does it alone, I believe he was talking about the fact that he uses alone. I think he was explaining he wasn't a drug player. Nobody knows about his drug use because he hides it.

 

[flyingsushi]

Best wishes to you Finless.

Take care.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Get Better...glllllllll

 

[Koya]

Best of luck. Way to own up and take responsibility. It's the first and most important step. Stay strong - you have an army of iFriends who are wishing you well.

 

[Harry Manback]

This is not the thread to call out Fin for fishing.

If he is, we don't look foolish, he does.

If he's not fishing, all you doubters are going to (rightfully) feel like dooshbags.

 

[General Malaise]

This is not the thread to call out Fin for fishing.If he is, we don't look foolish, he does.If he's not fishing, all you doubters are going to (rightfully) feel like dooshbags.

Just like all the dooshbags who didn't buy the little boy who cried wolf's story the 3rd time?I mean, even in his stories here, he's sprinkling in just enough shtick that it's virtually impossible for some of us to believe. He's not just doing drugs...he HAS to be doing drugs better than anybody else who's ever done drugs. I mean, come on. A legend in AA? Selling to Trey? So stealthy in his drug use his that nobody had a clue? I mean, does it not strike any of you odd that the guy is still posting on the internet and not actually IN REHAB? People in serious need of professional help with drugs don't dilly dally on message boards. They go get the help they need, either on their own volition or because they are forced by others. What's he waiting for? This thread to reach 10 pages? That's what a guy who was fishing would want...

 

[Arizona Ron]

Tell me about the first time you IV'd. Did you have help? No, I was drunk at the time and had been sniffing dope on and off for about 3 years. Never had an addiction though. I sniffed a bag and puked. I was like "Damn I keep wasting this stuff puking. Timmy, gimme a rig I'm mainlining this ____. He declined and I just took a fresh outfit from him and went to work. Never sniffed it again.

Do you nod? Only when I use a real lot. I don't even like the effects produced. If I smoke herb after fixing then I nod.I think I'm just addicted to the ritual which makes quitting much easier then it was back east where the stuff gave me an amazing rush that I chased for years.

Do they still stamp names on the stuff? I remember it being named like Tyson, 911 and Diet People but this was a long time ago. That's east coast style. I used to get Viper (that was Philly family stuff - the best and Knockout. When I sold mine it was just plain - no name and everyone knew that is what they wanted. I was living up in northern New England at the time. Far from any major city...400% markup. I worked with Dominicans. THey treated me like family. Then they tried to give the business I built away to some stiff I knew. I ended up taking a pretty good score from them. Holed up in a king suit for a few weeks. Got raided by the DEA and ATF. They missed me though I had nothing of significance. Got sober 4 months later. The stuff I buy now just comes in little tied off balloons. It's Mexican stuff unlike the rest out the country which gets it from Afghanistan. The Afghani stuff is MUCH better.

Do you buy by the bundle? Only on the east coast. I would get it 500 to 1000 bags at a time. A bundle is 10 bags..

Did you use methadone to get off of it the last time? Yes January 17 of 2000. I started at 25mgs for a few days and tapered down. I was selling it at the time and had so much that the amount that the detox was allowed to give me didn't even take the edge off. I didn't sleep a wink for over 2 weeks and got down to 117 pounds. My fighting weight is around 160.

Growing up in the city I've seen a lot. H is one thing I'm glad I've never tried; I've seen it wreck a lot of people. It's the only thing besides my girlfriend that has grabbed me like this.

GL GB

Answers in bold

Anyone who reads this and doesn't see the schtick is lost. Yes he may have a problem but he's also definitely shticking this up.

 

[Redwes25]

Good Luck and I hope you get well.

 

[General Malaise]

Tell me about the first time you IV'd. Did you have help? No, I was drunk at the time and had been sniffing dope on and off for about 3 years. Never had an addiction though. I sniffed a bag and puked. I was like "Damn I keep wasting this stuff puking. Timmy, gimme a rig I'm mainlining this ____. He declined and I just took a fresh outfit from him and went to work. Never sniffed it again.

Do you nod? Only when I use a real lot. I don't even like the effects produced. If I smoke herb after fixing then I nod.I think I'm just addicted to the ritual which makes quitting much easier then it was back east where the stuff gave me an amazing rush that I chased for years.

Do they still stamp names on the stuff? I remember it being named like Tyson, 911 and Diet People but this was a long time ago. That's east coast style. I used to get Viper (that was Philly family stuff - the best and Knockout. When I sold mine it was just plain - no name and everyone knew that is what they wanted. I was living up in northern New England at the time. Far from any major city...400% markup. I worked with Dominicans. THey treated me like family. Then they tried to give the business I built away to some stiff I knew. I ended up taking a pretty good score from them. Holed up in a king suit for a few weeks. Got raided by the DEA and ATF. They missed me though I had nothing of significance. Got sober 4 months later. The stuff I buy now just comes in little tied off balloons. It's Mexican stuff unlike the rest out the country which gets it from Afghanistan. The Afghani stuff is MUCH better.

Do you buy by the bundle? Only on the east coast. I would get it 500 to 1000 bags at a time. A bundle is 10 bags..

Did you use methadone to get off of it the last time? Yes January 17 of 2000. I started at 25mgs for a few days and tapered down. I was selling it at the time and had so much that the amount that the detox was allowed to give me didn't even take the edge off. I didn't sleep a wink for over 2 weeks and got down to 117 pounds. My fighting weight is around 160.

Growing up in the city I've seen a lot. H is one thing I'm glad I've never tried; I've seen it wreck a lot of people. It's the only thing besides my girlfriend that has grabbed me like this.

GL GB

Answers in bold

Anyone who reads this and doesn't see the schtick is lost. Yes he may have a problem but he's also definitely shticking this up.

Tend to agree with Tom from Albany here.

 

[hooter311]

What is "nodding"?

 

[Arizona Ron]

What is "nodding"?

quote from Urban:

nodding off A term used to describe the high of heroin.. it is often mistaken as being very tired (which works out well for the user!), but it is more like "nodding" in and out of semi-consciousness. That's really the best way to describe it. It's like a series of times where the user will fall asleep for 30 seconds - a few minutes out of nowhere, and then suddenly snap into wakefulness again. They often are in very uncomfortable positions, too. (because they were not really planning or expecting to be sleeping!)..the term can also sometimes be heard with opiate-based pills, but generally it is specific for being high on heroin.

Should also be noted that this doesn't happen to everyone, hense the question.

 

[Chaos Commish]

What is "nodding"?

 

[Chaos Commish]

What is "nodding"?

quote from Urban:

nodding off A term used to describe the high of heroin.. it is often mistaken as being very tired (which works out well for the user!), but it is more like "nodding" in and out of semi-consciousness. That's really the best way to describe it. It's like a series of times where the user will fall asleep for 30 seconds - a few minutes out of nowhere, and then suddenly snap into wakefulness again. They often are in very uncomfortable positions, too. (because they were not really planning or expecting to be sleeping!)..the term can also sometimes be heard with opiate-based pills, but generally it is specific for being high on heroin.

Should also be noted that this doesn't happen to everyone, hense the question.

Some junkies find the euphoria of nodding second only to the initial surge of euphoria. It's a dreamlike state of bliss regardless it it looks awful. Speedballers like our boy Fin attempting aliascide last night, tend to prefer not to nod, so the coke keeps their hearts pumping a little faster.Fin has mentioned not being a nodder while being a massive doser and a pins and needler. The only way I know to combine all that is to be dually, addicted to to opiates and speed both. Heroin and coke used to be common, now it oxy and meth.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Fin, the pins and needles aren't from dosing more than you need or the quality of the dope. Pure morphine has a powerful pins and needle period. It is a histimine reaction. If you hate it, take some benedryl 40 minutes before slamming. Mix that with the coke and who knows, not only will you fool everyone around you, you might fool yourself. Good times.

Are you dual addicted? If not how much coke are you holding?

 

[Chaos Commish]

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Tactics,

Jene Bramel,

James Daulton

Any thoughts, doc?

eta: well besides me being a jerk...

 

[wikkidpissah]

nodding is when you fall thru yourself and splash down into a pool of the Virgin Mary's amniotic fluid....

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

weird thread.

 

[hooter311]

nodding is when you fall thru yourself and splash down into a pool of the Virgin Mary's amniotic fluid....

Yeah, now that people describe it, I've seen it a few times in my life. Had no idea that some actively sought this sensation, I'm more of hustle and bustle kind of guy myself. Would have to be a pretty boring occasion for any kind of opiates to be involved.

 

[The_Man]

nodding is when you fall thru yourself and splash down into a pool of the Virgin Mary's amniotic fluid....

...and you feel just like Jesus’ son

 

[wikkidpissah]

nodding is when you fall thru yourself and splash down into a pool of the Virgin Mary's amniotic fluid....

Yeah, now that people describe it, I've seen it a few times in my life. Had no idea that some actively sought this sensation, I'm more of hustle and bustle kind of guy myself. Would have to be a pretty boring occasion for any kind of opiates to be involved.

hate to sound advocating - especially because they kill people - but that's where speedballs come in. nod-rush-nod-rush. every now & then, a blast of both at the same time - like having Heather Graham & Jennifer Connelly hair-pulling over who gets to lick you first. scary - STILL how i'd like to die.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

The time release oxy was my favorite. I would take a regular one and a time release one at the same time. Nice sweet rush 20 or so minutes later. I'm soooo glad to have never tried heroin

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Wow. My life is sheltered beyond description.

 

[Fennis]

All I know about rehab I learned from Sandra Bullock in 28 days.

Good luck, Fin!

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Good luck Fin! I know I feel conflicted but that's just my addiction to shtick talking.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

This is not the thread to call out Fin for fishing.If he is, we don't look foolish, he does.If he's not fishing, all you doubters are going to (rightfully) feel like dooshbags.

Just like all the dooshbags who didn't buy the little boy who cried wolf's story the 3rd time?I mean, even in his stories here, he's sprinkling in just enough shtick that it's virtually impossible for some of us to believe. He's not just doing drugs...he HAS to be doing drugs better than anybody else who's ever done drugs. I mean, come on. A legend in AA? Selling to Trey? So stealthy in his drug use his that nobody had a clue? I mean, does it not strike any of you odd that the guy is still posting on the internet and not actually IN REHAB? People in serious need of professional help with drugs don't dilly dally on message boards. They go get the help they need, either on their own volition or because they are forced by others. What's he waiting for? This thread to reach 10 pages? That's what a guy who was fishing would want...

I'm sensing skepticism.