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Remember When Ronda Rousey Had Over Half This Board Believing She Could Beat Up A Male Pro UFC Fighter? (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter rockaction
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I am not debating anything. I am clarifying that using a fact based activity (track) does not allow for debate.
How could anyone who knows sports go there?
Why do people freak out over a man hitting a woman? Yep, men are just too superior physically and we all know this.
Rousey could whip some men not into sports who aren't physical. In with any athletic male she'd take a beating.
I'd say all college/pro footballers could kick her butt.
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You used track as a reason that MMA fighters cannot compete with each other. MMA is more subjective and can lead to a debate while there is no debate when discussing track comparisons. You are either faster or you are not. There is no influence by the opponent in any way.
The Big Guy
Fear the Blitz
I agree that almost any Male with athletic training would do well in a fight with a super lightweight fighter, but her knowledge of submission holds and ability to bend and force people to tap out would take down more people than you might envision. Toe to toe fighting gets her killed 99% of the time, no doubt. But throw some mma at me and I know that I would more than likely lose to her and I am a 245 pound guy.
chet
Footballguy
In this case, I say RR would beat >98% non-mma males and that's probably conservative.
She was the most dominant athlete in the world when I wrote that. Really sporting of you to take potshots with the benefit of 4-years of hindsight.
chet
Footballguy
You'd better hope you tap out in time so she doesn't injure you after she submits you. Do you lift, bra? Does bench press teach you a lot of jiu-jitsu?
pantherclub
Footballguy
chet
Footballguy
Not only me but many informed MMA experts (pretty sure Joe Rogan agreed). This was not an outlier opinion.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Do you still think that? Joe Rogan commented he said that in jest mocking the guys who thought she was the best thing since sliced bread.
Thats the problem with some people on this board, they cannot simply admit they were completely wrong. RR could not beat any male in her weight class and she sure as hell wouldnt stand a snows balls chance against floyd. Its a dumb argument.
chet
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
Noway I'd ever beat up a female. BUT......I like all big strong men would totally destroy any female MMAer, would be ugly.
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The difference is strength would simply be too much. I could pick her up over my head as could most athletic men. She's just too small, too weak to be able to do anything.
In a legit MMA fight vs a male he'd knock her butt and it wouldn't take long.
IF.....it's some sort of judo match with no kicking/punching she might be able to hang, maybe.
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Women play soft ball for a reason. They get special treatment for a reason, a man slugs a woman and he's an animal. Why is that, yep....the weaker sex.
Imagine a womans basketball team vs a men's....ouch!
A fast HS boy can run a 10.20 100m, the fastest women of all time can't break 10.60. (forget that 10.4 it was windy)
HUGE physical differences,
Rhonda Rousey cold whip little women, that is something totally different than dealing with men.
Imagine a womans basketball team vs a men's....ouch!
A fast HS boy can run a 10.20 100m, the fastest women of all time can't break 10.60. (forget that 10.4 it was windy)
HUGE physical differences,
Rhonda Rousey cold whip little women, that is something totally different than dealing with men.
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There is nothing soft about softball. It is a very fast paced game that is much different than baseball. It doesn't make it inferior in any way. It is just different. I am not sure why that statement has anything to do with whether or not a female MMA fighter would or would not be able to compete against men.
And as I stated earlier.....your track example is not applicable. Speed is not a debate. It is simply a comparison of factual numbers.
Strength is not debatable either. What female is as strong as a man her size?
Everything is soft about softball compared to baseball. We can start with the ball. I can't believe you said that,
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A softball is just as hard as a baseball. You can't be serious with this statement. The ball has a lower coefficient of restitution but the outer shell is just as hard and varies depending on level of play (just like baseball). Typically the compression for baseballs and softballs are similar.
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lardonastick
Footballguy
Everybody knows the strongest fighter wins every match.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
My cardio conditioning off the charts, Run the bleachers, skip rope, run 400's, jumping jacks.
Everybody knows a trained male MMA fighter will simply be too strong for a female.
Stold this.
Softballs got their name because their core is softer than a baseball and, therefore, they do not spring off the bat in the same way. ... An NCAA baseball's coefficient cannot be greater than .555, while a softball may not exceed .470
Which would hurt more if they hit you?
The coefficient of restitution has to do with the spring from the ball off the bat and rebound effect. It has nothing to do with how much it will hurt if it hits you. The compression (the amount of force needed to compress the ball a certain amount) is different than the COR and has more to do with the actual hardness of the outer shell of each ball. The compression of baseballs and softballs differ based on age group as you can have a "softee" used for lower level use. However, for standard high school or college balls the outer shell has similar "hardness" and will hurt similarly if you are hit by it. However, the COR value would dictate that if a baseball hit your head it would likely rebound further than if a softball hit your head. Each would equally hurt (or not depending on the actual hardness of your head) because the impact and "hurt" would be based on the similar hardness of the surface of the ball.
Bottom line this is an extremely silly discussion that has no bearing on the original discussion point.
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There is nobody who would prefer being hit by a baseball over a softball, ok?
Ok, moving on.
Point
Why don't women simply play baseball?
There are many people that prefer watching softball over baseball. Some believe that quick style of play and game is better than the slow pace of baseball.
It's a completely different game. Not worse or better. Just different..........and your comments still have nothing to so with the topic.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Wrong as you always are, kids troll, and I am anything but a fool.
Dude, you don't seem to get what these places are about, WAY too uptight.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Good God. This thread started out on thin ice and now there's...this.
You guys enjoy!
You guys enjoy!
Possum
Footballguy
people just lost their minds for a while because of the hype, like Joe Rogan calling her the greatest athlete of all time. The talent level in women's MMA is pretty bad even now but back then it was like the NBA circa 1951 with Rousey as George Mikan
Think of the outrage if the best female NCAA basketball team played Duke or any of the top mens teams. It would be......what a dumb idea. Imagine how badly the girls would get beat, it would get real ugly real fast.
Rousey vs any male fighter would be no different and it should be real obvious.
Rousey vs any male fighter would be no different and it should be real obvious.
rockaction
Footballguy
It started off on a bedrock principle, really. Only hopes and wishes and subsequent scorns mixed with dopes with #####es and unicorns' horns elevated Rousey to anything but a punching bag against professional male fighters.AhrnCityPahnder said:
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
rockaction
Footballguy
No, I haven't seen Kalib fight. I'm really not sold on reality stars becoming world class athletes. I'm also not sold on the UFC in general, as I know firsthand that Dana White fixes fights but that's another story for another day.
chet
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I guess I should say it was secondhand (my bad) and it was "might," actually. I might have had journalist friends who covered the UFC at inception. Fight fixing might have been admitted to in confidence and threats might have been made about publication of said confessions. The allegations never saw the light of day, which would have been smart given that the threats might have had overtures to physical repercussions in the very nature of how they were made.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I am confused here. Dana White had nothing to do with the UFC at inception. He did not join the company until 8 years later.
rockaction
Footballguy
Sorry. He's been president since its sale in 2001 to his connections, which many would consider its beginning. UFC wasn't a blip on the radar until then, and that's when a journalist friend might have covered them and their tournaments overseas.
From Wiki: While working as a manager for Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell, White met Bob Meyerwitz, the owner of Semaphore Entertainment Group, the parent company of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. White learned that Meyerwitz was looking to sell the UFC. White contacted childhood friend Lorenzo Fertitta, an executive at Station Casinos and a former commissioner of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and asked if he would be interested in acquiring the company. In January 2001, Lorenzo and his older brother Frank acquired the UFC, which subsequently became a subsidiary of Zuffa, LLC. White was installed as the company's president
From Wiki: While working as a manager for Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell, White met Bob Meyerwitz, the owner of Semaphore Entertainment Group, the parent company of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. White learned that Meyerwitz was looking to sell the UFC. White contacted childhood friend Lorenzo Fertitta, an executive at Station Casinos and a former commissioner of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and asked if he would be interested in acquiring the company. In January 2001, Lorenzo and his older brother Frank acquired the UFC, which subsequently became a subsidiary of Zuffa, LLC. White was installed as the company's president
rockaction
Footballguy
FYPNot hard to believe; the NBA had Tim Donaghy, point shaving allegations by the FBI, and 10,000 text messages between he and an officiating friend, and said there was nothing to see there.
chet
Footballguy
I am not contending that fights weren't fixed. RA said he knows firsthand.Not hard to believe; the NBA fixed the draft in '85 so the Knicks could draft Ewing.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
rockaction
Footballguy
chet
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Fights weren't fixed, Rousey was unbeatable -- man, woman, or child.
rockaction
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