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Rent-a-Defense: Week 2 (1 Viewer)

I was going to go with the Raiders, but Henne changes that dynamic. I'm thinking Philly, with a bad west-coast team heading cross-country for the early start is the way to go.
I'm going with the raiders. Henne does probably improve the jags, but the raiders played surprisingly well against luck @ Indy in week one
But with a semi-viable QB, can they stop MJD and the run? The Colts aren't really a running threat, so that question is still unanswered. I'll want to see that before I invest a week inthe Raiders, and this week I think there are one or two better chances.

 
I would think the Bills would be a good pick against Car this week, along with a pretty cushy schedule most of the year...but Dodds had them ranked 29th this week.

Am I missing something?
Cam was a top 5 projected qb that played against arguably the top defense in week 1. Odds would say Cam will pick it up.

 
rams d.. should be able to get pressure on ryan.

they will give up points, but it really depends on your leagues scoring.

mine you get more points for sacks turnovers then points allowed

 
Tom brady was projected a top 10 qb and has a better ground game than CAR so I think the Bills could be a solid play.

 
Tom brady was projected a top 10 qb and has a better ground game than CAR so I think the Bills could be a solid play.
Meh, I feel week 1 has so much adrenaline and emotion that I can't quite rely on Buffalo. Hated division rival that has been pummeling them for a decade comes in to their town. They have a solid gameplan and get a few early breaks to get the crowd in a frenzy. NE settles it down but Bills are still their at the half. Second half looks like an upset and everyone steps up their game riding on an emotional high. The letdown from the eventual loss could be huge though.

I see Cam getting it back on track this week and Bills trying to recover from an emotional loss.

 
2 rules when playing the rent a defense game:

1) be sure that you only rent stellar defenses from the waiver wire. This year that seems to be: kc, cle, Mia, Philly (maybe), and car.

2) be sure that they are playing a bottom half offense with question marks at key offensive positions like QB and/or oline.

If you veer too much from these rules you can and will get burned a lot.

Oakland and has defenses are not good plays this week BC they violate rule #1

Oakland might perhaps be a decent defense but I'm not convinced yet.

Carolina is the play in my mind BC their defense has shown me enough where I think not only are they a great spot start but maybe permanently rosterable (along with KC).

I'm picking up and inserting Carolina. The only thin that scares me is spiller but I still think that Carolina has the talent to keep the bills under 14 points.

 
I always try to pick home teams when I stream but I would say Carolina is a better play than Buffalo. Panthers front 7 is pretty nasty & the Bills are still suspect vs the run. Who the heck knows about the passing games because both teams struggle to throw & both are weak in the secondary now. But the Panthers figure to have an easier time running & should get an edge for that. I'm a little surprised the Bills are 3pt dogs at home but come to think of it, it does sound like sort of a bad matchup.

I don't buy a whole lot into the "[TeamX/Dallas] is emphasizing takeaways now". Why is there so much variance from week-to-week, year-to-year in takeaways then under the same coaching staffs? I mean I think Rob Ryan sucks but I would bet he values takeaways as much as the next guy. Plus Smith is not a mistake prone QB.

I think the Eagles defense will eventually prove to suck so don't trust them. Or at least I don't see how you can say they're so much better than Oakland's that it's enough to outweigh the "LOL Jags" factor.

Anyone think the Cardinals are worth considering? I like the Lions as much as the next guy but it seems like their style has been pretty generous to fantasy defenses the last couple years.

 
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I like Arizona's D at home vs the lions.

Zonas got some playmakers on D (PP and the Honey Badger) and the lions well.....they are still the lions so you can count on some mistakes.

I think they have a really good shot at aTD in the return game and on D this week.

 
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Anyone think the Cardinals are worth considering? I like the Lions as much as the next guy but it seems like their style has been pretty generous to fantasy defenses the last couple years.
I think you posted this as I was typing mine....yes I'm going with the Cards wherever I can.

 
Anyone think the Cardinals are worth considering? I like the Lions as much as the next guy but it seems like their style has been pretty generous to fantasy defenses the last couple years.
I think you posted this as I was typing mine....yes I'm going with the Cards wherever I can.
Yah it does feel like a classic Schwartz/Stafford 7turnover game just as everyone starts to believe in them.

These gut feelings are sorta worthless but then again fantasy D's are such a crapshoot so who cares.

 
2 rules when playing the rent a defense game:

1) be sure that you only rent stellar defenses from the waiver wire. This year that seems to be: kc, cle, Mia, Philly (maybe), and car.

2) be sure that they are playing a bottom half offense with question marks at key offensive positions like QB and/or oline.

If you veer too much from these rules you can and will get burned a lot.

Oakland and has defenses are not good plays this week BC they violate rule #1

Oakland might perhaps be a decent defense but I'm not convinced yet.

Carolina is the play in my mind BC their defense has shown me enough where I think not only are they a great spot start but maybe permanently rosterable (along with KC).

I'm picking up and inserting Carolina. The only thin that scares me is spiller but I still think that Carolina has the talent to keep the bills under 14 points.
Rule #1 contradicts itself as there are no stellar defenses on the WW usually. We're looking for the mediocre to good defenses with a good to great matchup week to week,

 
What's the general feeling on the Packers for the year? Seriously considering dropping them for Carolina. I hate to loose the Packers but they're not in the best of shape and I can't squeeze 2 defenses on to my roster....

Thanks

 
What's the general feeling on the Packers for the year? Seriously considering dropping them for Carolina. I hate to loose the Packers but they're not in the best of shape and I can't squeeze 2 defenses on to my roster....

Thanks
I have room for 2 but am in the same situation. My plan was to go with Oakland or Carolina this week and keep GB stashed, but tempted to pick up KC as a stash instead.

 
I think something to keep an eye on is just how badly Cleveland's offensive line got whipped in Week 1. Wake is a beast, but he just dominated Cleveland's RT. Their RG was pretty awful as well. And Weeden is not a QB that will perform well under pressure. That's a team that could be possibly exploited for fantasy plays going forward.

 
In a league were yards and points have nearly no value (>10p and you get zip) should I keep GB and NYG (2 seperate leagues) stashed or go full out on streaming? (14 teams)

 
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I was kind of surprised not to see Carolina mentioned as an option in Sigmund Bloom's Rent-a-Defense: Week 2 column.

 
I'm going with Detroit this week. Arizona has no line and no running game and Det. has a stout front 4 that will bring the pass rush. I see plenty of sacks and a couple picks with the chance of a sack/fumble/td.

 
I'm going with Detroit this week. Arizona has no line and no running game and Det. has a stout front 4 that will bring the pass rush. I see plenty of sacks and a couple picks with the chance of a sack/fumble/td.
The only "bad" thing is this game is on the road, but I think sacks will occur because (1) AZ throws a lot and (2) has a bad oline.

 
I'm going with Detroit this week. Arizona has no line and no running game and Det. has a stout front 4 that will bring the pass rush. I see plenty of sacks and a couple picks with the chance of a sack/fumble/td.
Again, a lot of people thought that last year when AZ started Lindley. Now AZ has a respectable QB? no thanks.

 
Unless you unlocked the 2000 Ravens in some sort of fantasy league twist, you do not start ANY defense on the road against a high powered offense.

 
I'm going with Detroit this week. Arizona has no line and no running game and Det. has a stout front 4 that will bring the pass rush. I see plenty of sacks and a couple picks with the chance of a sack/fumble/td.
Again, a lot of people thought that last year when AZ started Lindley. Now AZ has a respectable QB? no thanks.
I'm sorry, but it looks like you're only looking at the final score. DET D played well that game. ARI had 2 pick 6's (not the DET D's fault), a muffed punt that set up ARI at the 5 (S Logan not on team anymore), and another int that set ARI up at the 3. That's 14pts off ints, and another 14pts where ARI only needed 8 total yards. DET only let up 104 passing yards and 99 rushing yards total that game.

Unless you think that's going to happen again, it's not wise to only look at the score from last year (without any context) and assume DET D is going to play poorly. Not to mention their secondary is much improved over last year through free agents, draft, and getting guys back from injury. And their front 4 could be the best in the league.

 
If there's a good chance Stafford turns the ball over and give the Cardinals a short field, isn't that something to take into consideration?

That is definitely an issue with how fantasy defense scoring works, but it is what it is.

Palmer should be able to have a decent day against Detroit's secondary. Their OL is also improved from last year.

Detroit might return 2 Turnovers for TDs and I can be wrong, but this is not the matchup I want to target.

 
Unless you unlocked the 2000 Ravens in some sort of fantasy league twist, you do not start ANY defense on the road against a high powered offense.
The rams had 4 sacks, 1 int, and 1 forced fumble versus the cards (granted they were at home).

The way I see it, the more ARZ throws (which they LOVE to do) the more the lions have a chance to get sacks, ints, etc, because the ARZ oline has proven to be suspect.

I am not saying they're are the number 1 waiver defense, but I would not completely dismiss them.

 
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Unless you unlocked the 2000 Ravens in some sort of fantasy league twist, you do not start ANY defense on the road against a high powered offense.
the cards are not a high powered offense...just because you throw a lot of times does not make you a high powered offense.
I didn't say the Cardinals were. That was in reference to starting SF @ GB

I posted the same things about Detroit last year as this year even though AZ was much WORSE. I'm just trying to help.

 
Unless you unlocked the 2000 Ravens in some sort of fantasy league twist, you do not start ANY defense on the road against a high powered offense.
The rams had 4 sacks, 1 int, and 1 forced fumble versus the cards (granted they were at home).

The way I see it, the more ARZ throws (which they LOVE to do) the more the lions have a chance to get sacks, ints, etc, because the ARZ oline has proven to be suspect.

I am not saying they're are the number 1 waiver defense, but I would not completely dismiss them.
Levi Brown is much better than what they had on the left tackle spot last year. That position, the QBs blind side, is much improved.

AZ gave up 9 sacks last year @STL for comparison.

I'm not completely dismissing them - I feel there are much better choices out there then a road team in Detroit.

 
Unless you unlocked the 2000 Ravens in some sort of fantasy league twist, you do not start ANY defense on the road against a high powered offense.
The rams had 4 sacks, 1 int, and 1 forced fumble versus the cards (granted they were at home).

The way I see it, the more ARZ throws (which they LOVE to do) the more the lions have a chance to get sacks, ints, etc, because the ARZ oline has proven to be suspect.

I am not saying they're are the number 1 waiver defense, but I would not completely dismiss them.
Levi Brown is much better than what they had on the left tackle spot last year. That position, the QBs blind side, is much improved.

AZ gave up 9 sacks last year @STL for comparison.

I'm not completely dismissing them - I feel there are much better choices out there then a road team in Detroit.
Yeah, depends on your league. CAR and other teams mentioned here are not available in any of the leagues I am involved in.

 
Going Raiders, though I might switch to the Chargers.

I think Philly will be a good source fantasy defense points this year.

You won't have a shot at a shutout, but Vick plus a ton of plays will equal a bunch of turnovers and sacks.

 
Going Raiders, though I might switch to the Chargers.

I think Philly will be a good source fantasy defense points this year.

You won't have a shot at a shutout, but Vick plus a ton of plays will equal a bunch of turnovers and sacks.
not many sacks it they only throw 20 times! ;) but i hear what you're saying...

 
I like this week:

Raiders at home vs. abysmal Jacksonville squad. Henne might help JAX somewhat but I don't see them becoming a powerhouse. OAK showed moxie vs. Indy last week.

Philly at home vs. SD. Chargers coming from the west coast and on a short week after a demoralizing loss.

Carolina looked good last week, but I like to go with a home team when I have a choice. Still, not a bad play...this looks like it could be a good squad most of the year.

 
What's Carolina's schedule going forward, are they worth a stash? What do you guy's think about rent a defense's that are on the road like CAR this week?

 
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What's Carolina's schedule going forward, are they worth a stash? What do you guy's think about rent a defense's that are on the road like CAR this week?
@BUF, NYG, BYE

Fine play this week, but not worth holding after that.

FWIW, they play the Saints TWICE during the fantasy playoffs, so nothing great to look forward to there either. (well, except the Jets week 15)

 
I'm grabbing Carolina every chance I can get. I'm thinking I can get at least 6-7 good starts out of this group of games:

Bills
Giants
Cardinals
Vikings
Rams
Buccaneers
Buccaneers
Jets

 
I didn't see the Seattle game, is Carolina's front seven as good as people have said? My league gives a point a sack

 
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Philly is now my favorite WW defense for week 2. Home game, 10 AM start for the demoralized Chargers who crashed and burned at home on Monday night. Philly home opener, and the crowd will be electric to welcome in the Chip Kelly era. This has the makings of a game that could get out of hand early.

 
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I'm going with Detroit this week. Arizona has no line and no running game and Det. has a stout front 4 that will bring the pass rush. I see plenty of sacks and a couple picks with the chance of a sack/fumble/td.
Again, a lot of people thought that last year when AZ started Lindley. Now AZ has a respectable QB? no thanks.
I'm sorry, but it looks like you're only looking at the final score. DET D played well that game. ARI had 2 pick 6's (not the DET D's fault), a muffed punt that set up ARI at the 5 (S Logan not on team anymore), and another int that set ARI up at the 3. That's 14pts off ints, and another 14pts where ARI only needed 8 total yards. DET only let up 104 passing yards and 99 rushing yards total that game.

Unless you think that's going to happen again, it's not wise to only look at the score from last year (without any context) and assume DET D is going to play poorly. Not to mention their secondary is much improved over last year through free agents, draft, and getting guys back from injury. And their front 4 could be the best in the league.
Agree. And I'll add that there is a new coach in town in Arians. He loves to run those deep routes resulting in sacks. Even when he had mobile Qbs in Luck and Ben they still ended up getting sacked a good bit. With a slow Qb in Palmer and a bad oline against a strong pass rush, watch out.

 
Interesting take that I saw on PFF: "Carolina can only wish their secondary matched their front seven; giving away 320 yards when you only bring extra rushers 10 times and yet still get pressure on 38% of passing plays (only four offenses surrendered that much last year) suggests this is not a good unit."

I'm not trying to imply that Manuel is gonna throw all over the place, and we all know that pressuring a rookie QB that often is $$$, but just wanted to provide some more data. Wouldn't keep this unit for a start against the Giants next week.

 
Food for thought on those considering Oakland (I am)

Scoring in my league for DST's vs Jags in 2012 when Henne was starting (2012 defensive rank next to team).


27 (Colts- 26th)
3 (crazy shootout anomaly game vs the Texans - 7th)
13 (Titans - 27th)
19 (Bills - 22nd)
16 (Jets - 8th)
21 (Miami - 21st)
15 (Patriots - 25th)
 
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Went Philly in both my leagues. The combination of a demoralizing SD loss, traveling east for a 10am game, Eagles new aggressive style defense and how much pressure the Eagles offense will put on SD to score has made me optimistic for a big week.

 

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