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[PlasmaDogPlasma]

GTFO - It's Michigan.

Probably a top 5 team, but only 3rd best team in B1G right now. Indiana, Florida, MSU, Syracuse, Michigan, Duke right now

I'm pretty sure you forgot to list Miami in there. They have beaten 2 of those teams already this year.

They've also lost to FGCU and INST

Just by the eyeball test they look like one of the best teams in the country right now. They're crushing the 3rd best power conference. Their lack of NCAA Tournament experience might be a negative in March though.

 

[butcher boy]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

 

[TobiasFunke]

GTFO - It's Michigan.

Probably a top 5 team, but only 3rd best team in B1G right now. Indiana, Florida, MSU, Syracuse, Michigan, Duke right now

I'm pretty sure you forgot to list Miami in there. They have beaten 2 of those teams already this year.

They've also lost to FGCU and INST

They didn't have Durand Scott for the FGCU game (in early November, on the road). And they didn't have Reggie Johnson for the loss to Indiana State (in December). Indiana State isn't terrible, by the way. They also didn't have Johnson for the Arizona loss.They haven't lost since Xmas, and they haven't lost with their full starting lineup active. I don't know if they're the best team in college basketball, but they've got as good a claim to it as anyone.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

GTFO - It's Michigan.

Probably a top 5 team, but only 3rd best team in B1G right now. Indiana, Florida, MSU, Syracuse, Michigan, Duke right now

I'm pretty sure you forgot to list Miami in there. They have beaten 2 of those teams already this year.

They've also lost to FGCU and INST

Just by the eyeball test they look like one of the best teams in the country right now. They're crushing the 3rd best power conference. Their lack of NCAA Tournament experience might be a negative in March though.

Didn't really stop Kentucky last year, or UConn the year before.

 

[Ilov80s]

GTFO - It's Michigan.

"The pizzazz is back up in Ann Arbor"

Michigan sure looks impressive tonight.

Awful performance, just totally gave up. I hope it taxes then something for March, but the way they wilted was not a good sign. This 4 game stretch was just brutal. They should have done between than 1-3 though. I think Michigan is built better for the tourney than BIG 10 play. Too many BIG 10 teams play slow slow tempo half court games. Michigan will do better when the game open up more and things are so physical.

 

[17seconds]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

 

[sporthenry]

I'm pretty sure you forgot to list Miami in there. They have beaten 2 of those teams already this year.

They've also lost to FGCU and INST

Just by the eyeball test they look like one of the best teams in the country right now. They're crushing the 3rd best power conference. Their lack of NCAA Tournament experience might be a negative in March though.

Didn't really stop Kentucky last year, or UConn the year before.

Well as talented and complete as Miami may be, UK had 6 players drafted last year, 4 in the first round and the first 2 picks. Latest mocks I've seen had Kadji as the only Miami player drafted and in the 2nd round. UK also returned Vargas, Jones, Miller and Lamb from a final 4 team the year before. Now Connecticut is a different story but at least Kemba had gone to the final 4 and Miami doesn't seem to have a Kemba on their team. Not saying Miami can't win, I just don't think they are prohibitive favorites and I'm always weary of the team that gets hot especially hot this early.

 

[sporthenry]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

CUSE

 

[Good Posting Judge]

CUSE

Aaaand, Connecticut wins the rivalry.

 

[5Rings]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Go Zags!Up to #3 in USA Today

 

[5Rings]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

Not so sure I agree on the "weak resume" comment.Gonzaga has played an outstanding non-conf schedule; its the only way they can get a 12 RPI with so many weak conference games.

 

[butcher boy]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Go Zags!Up to #3 in USA Today

I will be in attendance at the Gonzaga/St. Mary's game today. Huge game!!

 

[TobiasFunke]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

Not so sure I agree on the "weak resume" comment.Gonzaga has played an outstanding non-conf schedule; its the only way they can get a 12 RPI with so many weak conference games.

This would be a good point if the committee seeded based on "non-conference strength of schedule," but they don't. Strength of schedule is strength of schedule.Also I don't see how their non-conference SOS is so great. Six teams in the Pomeroy Top 50, but only one in the Top 20 (@OK State, clearly their best win). The next three toughest opponents are ranked 27, 32 and 43. So we're already getting into borderline tournament teams playing them on the road, and one of those was a loss to boot. Not exactly a murderer's row.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Go Zags!Up to #3 in USA Today

I seriously wonder what their record would be in the B1G.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

Not so sure I agree on the "weak resume" comment.Gonzaga has played an outstanding non-conf schedule; its the only way they can get a 12 RPI with so many weak conference games.

This would be a good point if the committee seeded based on "non-conference strength of schedule," but they don't. Strength of schedule is strength of schedule.Also I don't see how their non-conference SOS is so great. Six teams in the Pomeroy Top 50, but only one in the Top 20 (@OK State, clearly their best win). The next three toughest opponents are ranked 27, 32 and 43. So we're already getting into borderline tournament teams playing them on the road, and one of those was a loss to boot. Not exactly a murderer's row.

That's kind of the MO of "gaming" NCSOS, right? You aim for the middle ground, but try to avoid any complete cupcakes. Teams that are ranked in the #80-150 range, try to get them at home or at best neutral, and pile up reasonably-easy-yet-not-automatic wins.

 

[butcher boy]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

Not so sure I agree on the "weak resume" comment.Gonzaga has played an outstanding non-conf schedule; its the only way they can get a 12 RPI with so many weak conference games.

This would be a good point if the committee seeded based on "non-conference strength of schedule," but they don't. Strength of schedule is strength of schedule.Also I don't see how their non-conference SOS is so great. Six teams in the Pomeroy Top 50, but only one in the Top 20 (@OK State, clearly their best win). The next three toughest opponents are ranked 27, 32 and 43. So we're already getting into borderline tournament teams playing them on the road, and one of those was a loss to boot. Not exactly a murderer's row.

Yeah their SOS looked a lot better earlier in the year when they were playing those teams, I'll give you that. Doesn't help that Butler and Illinois seem to keep losing too. They have to win out and get some help to be considered for a one seed and even then they'll probably end up with a 3 or 4 after the annual Selection Sunday screwjob.

 

[TobiasFunke]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

Not so sure I agree on the "weak resume" comment.Gonzaga has played an outstanding non-conf schedule; its the only way they can get a 12 RPI with so many weak conference games.

This would be a good point if the committee seeded based on "non-conference strength of schedule," but they don't. Strength of schedule is strength of schedule.Also I don't see how their non-conference SOS is so great. Six teams in the Pomeroy Top 50, but only one in the Top 20 (@OK State, clearly their best win). The next three toughest opponents are ranked 27, 32 and 43. So we're already getting into borderline tournament teams playing them on the road, and one of those was a loss to boot. Not exactly a murderer's row.

Yeah their SOS looked a lot better earlier in the year when they were playing those teams, I'll give you that. Doesn't help that Butler and Illinois seem to keep losing too. They have to win out and get some help to be considered for a one seed and even then they'll probably end up with a 3 or 4 after the annual Selection Sunday screwjob.

Thankfully they'll have a chance to overcome that annual screwjob on the court, by beating those higher seeded teams on their way to the Final Four. Just like they do every year.

 

[butcher boy]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

Not so sure I agree on the "weak resume" comment.Gonzaga has played an outstanding non-conf schedule; its the only way they can get a 12 RPI with so many weak conference games.

This would be a good point if the committee seeded based on "non-conference strength of schedule," but they don't. Strength of schedule is strength of schedule.Also I don't see how their non-conference SOS is so great. Six teams in the Pomeroy Top 50, but only one in the Top 20 (@OK State, clearly their best win). The next three toughest opponents are ranked 27, 32 and 43. So we're already getting into borderline tournament teams playing them on the road, and one of those was a loss to boot. Not exactly a murderer's row.

Yeah their SOS looked a lot better earlier in the year when they were playing those teams, I'll give you that. Doesn't help that Butler and Illinois seem to keep losing too. They have to win out and get some help to be considered for a one seed and even then they'll probably end up with a 3 or 4 after the annual Selection Sunday screwjob.

Thankfully they'll have a chance to overcome that annual screwjob on the court, by beating those higher seeded teams on their way to the Final Four. Just like they do every year.

This is a bit of a disingenuine statement. You seem to be implying that seeding doesn't really matter when it clearly does. It also affects where teams end up playing. Take the Zags last year. They were seeded 7th which was fine, facing 10th seeded West Virginia. The kicker? The game was played 75 miles from WVUs campus essentially making it a home game for them. The Zags still won, however. Same thing happened in 08 when they faced lower seeded Davidson at a "neutral" site that was less than a 3 hour drive from the Davidson campus. Usually, they try to place the games closer to the higher seed's home. This rarely seems to be the case for the Zags. Tough draws always happen, they just seem to be way more common for GU. This year with their ranking so high, lots of fans are expecting and hoping to be seeded and playing somewhere in the West, but I'm not counting on it. We'll see. Unrelated, I was at the St. Mary's game last night. Lots of Zag fans in the house who kind of took over after St. Mary's fans left in droves at around 4 minutes left in the game.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I put $10 on Cal at 1000-1 yesterday.

 

[elguapo07]

I put $10 on Cal at 1000-1 yesterday.

Put 25 on Pitt @ 100-1 5 weeks ago.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I put $10 on Cal at 1000-1 yesterday.

Put 25 on Pitt @ 100-1 5 weeks ago.

I like this.

 

[sporthenry]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

Not so sure I agree on the "weak resume" comment.Gonzaga has played an outstanding non-conf schedule; its the only way they can get a 12 RPI with so many weak conference games.

This would be a good point if the committee seeded based on "non-conference strength of schedule," but they don't. Strength of schedule is strength of schedule.Also I don't see how their non-conference SOS is so great. Six teams in the Pomeroy Top 50, but only one in the Top 20 (@OK State, clearly their best win). The next three toughest opponents are ranked 27, 32 and 43. So we're already getting into borderline tournament teams playing them on the road, and one of those was a loss to boot. Not exactly a murderer's row.

Yeah their SOS looked a lot better earlier in the year when they were playing those teams, I'll give you that. Doesn't help that Butler and Illinois seem to keep losing too. They have to win out and get some help to be considered for a one seed and even then they'll probably end up with a 3 or 4 after the annual Selection Sunday screwjob.

Thankfully they'll have a chance to overcome that annual screwjob on the court, by beating those higher seeded teams on their way to the Final Four. Just like they do every year.

This is a bit of a disingenuine statement. You seem to be implying that seeding doesn't really matter when it clearly does. It also affects where teams end up playing. Take the Zags last year. They were seeded 7th which was fine, facing 10th seeded West Virginia. The kicker? The game was played 75 miles from WVUs campus essentially making it a home game for them. The Zags still won, however. Same thing happened in 08 when they faced lower seeded Davidson at a "neutral" site that was less than a 3 hour drive from the Davidson campus. Usually, they try to place the games closer to the higher seed's home. This rarely seems to be the case for the Zags. Tough draws always happen, they just seem to be way more common for GU. This year with their ranking so high, lots of fans are expecting and hoping to be seeded and playing somewhere in the West, but I'm not counting on it. We'll see. Unrelated, I was at the St. Mary's game last night. Lots of Zag fans in the house who kind of took over after St. Mary's fans left in droves at around 4 minutes left in the game.

Well that is wrong. Unless you get a top 4 seed, you don't get any protection. The committee has a ton of things they have to consider and the reason you were in Pittsburgh had more to do with being selected in OSU's pod. OSU as the 2 seed gets preferential treatment so they aren't going to play in Portland so the 7 seed has a home court over the 10 seed. And I'm sure there were a ton of other factors they had to take into account like making sure Purdue and Florida weren't in the same bracket as OSU that after 3 days, I doubt they really care about Gonzaga having to play WVU in Pittsburgh. I'm sure there is one or two iterations that would make Gonzaga fans happy but that would piss someone else off.

But this year, you guys will be a top 1-2 seed and being in the West where nobody else is, you guys will get preferential treatment. You'll either be the 1 or 2 out West assuming you keep winning. You guys will also be in either Salt Lake City or San Jose. So I'll be sure to mention this when you guys don't get screwed unless you consider possibly having to play U of A in LA screwed but you'll be out West at least.

 

[5Rings]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

Not so sure I agree on the "weak resume" comment.Gonzaga has played an outstanding non-conf schedule; its the only way they can get a 12 RPI with so many weak conference games.

This would be a good point if the committee seeded based on "non-conference strength of schedule," but they don't. Strength of schedule is strength of schedule.Also I don't see how their non-conference SOS is so great. Six teams in the Pomeroy Top 50, but only one in the Top 20 (@OK State, clearly their best win). The next three toughest opponents are ranked 27, 32 and 43. So we're already getting into borderline tournament teams playing them on the road, and one of those was a loss to boot. Not exactly a murderer's row.

Yeah their SOS looked a lot better earlier in the year when they were playing those teams, I'll give you that. Doesn't help that Butler and Illinois seem to keep losing too. They have to win out and get some help to be considered for a one seed and even then they'll probably end up with a 3 or 4 after the annual Selection Sunday screwjob.

Thankfully they'll have a chance to overcome that annual screwjob on the court, by beating those higher seeded teams on their way to the Final Four. Just like they do every year.

This is a bit of a disingenuine statement. You seem to be implying that seeding doesn't really matter when it clearly does. It also affects where teams end up playing. Take the Zags last year. They were seeded 7th which was fine, facing 10th seeded West Virginia. The kicker? The game was played 75 miles from WVUs campus essentially making it a home game for them. The Zags still won, however. Same thing happened in 08 when they faced lower seeded Davidson at a "neutral" site that was less than a 3 hour drive from the Davidson campus. Usually, they try to place the games closer to the higher seed's home. This rarely seems to be the case for the Zags. Tough draws always happen, they just seem to be way more common for GU. This year with their ranking so high, lots of fans are expecting and hoping to be seeded and playing somewhere in the West, but I'm not counting on it. We'll see. Unrelated, I was at the St. Mary's game last night. Lots of Zag fans in the house who kind of took over after St. Mary's fans left in droves at around 4 minutes left in the game.

Well that is wrong. Unless you get a top 4 seed, you don't get any protection. The committee has a ton of things they have to consider and the reason you were in Pittsburgh had more to do with being selected in OSU's pod. OSU as the 2 seed gets preferential treatment so they aren't going to play in Portland so the 7 seed has a home court over the 10 seed. And I'm sure there were a ton of other factors they had to take into account like making sure Purdue and Florida weren't in the same bracket as OSU that after 3 days, I doubt they really care about Gonzaga having to play WVU in Pittsburgh. I'm sure there is one or two iterations that would make Gonzaga fans happy but that would piss someone else off.

But this year, you guys will be a top 1-2 seed and being in the West where nobody else is, you guys will get preferential treatment. You'll either be the 1 or 2 out West assuming you keep winning. You guys will also be in either Salt Lake City or San Jose. So I'll be sure to mention this when you guys don't get screwed unless you consider possibly having to play U of A in LA screwed but you'll be out West at least.

Don't bet on it. There have been plenty of years we are ranked well within the top 15 and end up with 7 seeds and other crap rankings. Unless we are the #1 ranked team in the nation come bracket time, I don't expect anything higher than a 3 seed. ButcherBoy--you an alum?

 

[sporthenry]

Don't bet on it. There have been plenty of years we are ranked well within the top 15 and end up with 7 seeds and other crap rankings. Unless we are the #1 ranked team in the nation come bracket time, I don't expect anything higher than a 3 seed. ButcherBoy--you an alum?

I'd most certainly bet on it. Down year in basketball and Gonzaga's resume is solid. Of course they could go and lose a game but barring a bad loss, they'll easily be a 1 or 2 seed.

 

[jon_mx]

All odds equal, if I were to put money down on the team to win it all, I would put it on Michigan State.

 

[sporthenry]

All odds equal, if I were to put money down on the team to win it all, I would put it on Michigan State.

Really? I'd say they provide great value at the moment but I wouldn't say that if they were equal odds with IU or UM. Their value is b/c you can get them at 25-1. That is a pretty good bet. But this year is crazy. I could see any of the top 10 teams winning and since their odds are about in line with previous years, there isn't much value to be had.

 

[5Rings]

Don't bet on it. There have been plenty of years we are ranked well within the top 15 and end up with 7 seeds and other crap rankings. Unless we are the #1 ranked team in the nation come bracket time, I don't expect anything higher than a 3 seed. ButcherBoy--you an alum?

I'd most certainly bet on it. Down year in basketball and Gonzaga's resume is solid. Of course they could go and lose a game but barring a bad loss, they'll easily be a 1 or 2 seed.

I'll bet you that their seed # is > than their AP Ranking.

 

[butcher boy]

If the top teams keep losing and Gonzaga wins out a tough 2 game road trip this weekend, they will creep close to that #1 spot.

Was thinking the same thing with Arizona but then the Cal game... Duke and the Zags the only 2-loss teams left

Arizona hasn't really been that impressive. Them and Gonzaga probably have to do more than just win to get a #1 seed b/c their resumes don't really compare. They have to hope that some of these other teams suffer some bad losses as well.

Not so sure I agree on the "weak resume" comment.Gonzaga has played an outstanding non-conf schedule; its the only way they can get a 12 RPI with so many weak conference games.

This would be a good point if the committee seeded based on "non-conference strength of schedule," but they don't. Strength of schedule is strength of schedule.Also I don't see how their non-conference SOS is so great. Six teams in the Pomeroy Top 50, but only one in the Top 20 (@OK State, clearly their best win). The next three toughest opponents are ranked 27, 32 and 43. So we're already getting into borderline tournament teams playing them on the road, and one of those was a loss to boot. Not exactly a murderer's row.

Yeah their SOS looked a lot better earlier in the year when they were playing those teams, I'll give you that. Doesn't help that Butler and Illinois seem to keep losing too. They have to win out and get some help to be considered for a one seed and even then they'll probably end up with a 3 or 4 after the annual Selection Sunday screwjob.

Thankfully they'll have a chance to overcome that annual screwjob on the court, by beating those higher seeded teams on their way to the Final Four. Just like they do every year.

This is a bit of a disingenuine statement. You seem to be implying that seeding doesn't really matter when it clearly does. It also affects where teams end up playing. Take the Zags last year. They were seeded 7th which was fine, facing 10th seeded West Virginia. The kicker? The game was played 75 miles from WVUs campus essentially making it a home game for them. The Zags still won, however. Same thing happened in 08 when they faced lower seeded Davidson at a "neutral" site that was less than a 3 hour drive from the Davidson campus. Usually, they try to place the games closer to the higher seed's home. This rarely seems to be the case for the Zags. Tough draws always happen, they just seem to be way more common for GU. This year with their ranking so high, lots of fans are expecting and hoping to be seeded and playing somewhere in the West, but I'm not counting on it. We'll see. Unrelated, I was at the St. Mary's game last night. Lots of Zag fans in the house who kind of took over after St. Mary's fans left in droves at around 4 minutes left in the game.

Well that is wrong. Unless you get a top 4 seed, you don't get any protection. The committee has a ton of things they have to consider and the reason you were in Pittsburgh had more to do with being selected in OSU's pod. OSU as the 2 seed gets preferential treatment so they aren't going to play in Portland so the 7 seed has a home court over the 10 seed. And I'm sure there were a ton of other factors they had to take into account like making sure Purdue and Florida weren't in the same bracket as OSU that after 3 days, I doubt they really care about Gonzaga having to play WVU in Pittsburgh. I'm sure there is one or two iterations that would make Gonzaga fans happy but that would piss someone else off.

But this year, you guys will be a top 1-2 seed and being in the West where nobody else is, you guys will get preferential treatment. You'll either be the 1 or 2 out West assuming you keep winning. You guys will also be in either Salt Lake City or San Jose. So I'll be sure to mention this when you guys don't get screwed unless you consider possibly having to play U of A in LA screwed but you'll be out West at least.

Don't bet on it. There have been plenty of years we are ranked well within the top 15 and end up with 7 seeds and other crap rankings. Unless we are the #1 ranked team in the nation come bracket time, I don't expect anything higher than a 3 seed. ButcherBoy--you an alum?

No, I married into a family of long time fans and the team pretty much grew on me. My 1a and 1b teams are Cal and Gonzaga. If they ever meet in an important game we will need marriage counseling for sure.And yeah, realistically I'm expecting a 3 seed or maybe the worst 2 seed, and will be pleasantly surprised with anything higher.

 

[sporthenry]

Don't bet on it. There have been plenty of years we are ranked well within the top 15 and end up with 7 seeds and other crap rankings. Unless we are the #1 ranked team in the nation come bracket time, I don't expect anything higher than a 3 seed. ButcherBoy--you an alum?

I'd most certainly bet on it. Down year in basketball and Gonzaga's resume is solid. Of course they could go and lose a game but barring a bad loss, they'll easily be a 1 or 2 seed.

I'll bet you that their seed # is > than their AP Ranking.

Okay. Do I get seed is <= AP ranking?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

All odds equal, if I were to put money down on the team to win it all, I would put it on Michigan State.

I'll give you MSU, you give me Florida, anything else is no action.

 

[sporthenry]

I'll take IU. I'm getting giddy just thinking about March Madness. I'm excited to try this bracket challenge/draft thing you guys do here.

 

[pizzatyme]

####! I wanted IU.

 

[sporthenry]

####! I wanted IU.

It'd be interesting to run a pool where you can pick any team, duplicates included but if you win, you split it with everyone who has that team.

 

[pizzatyme]

Anyone been in a point spread bracket pool? It was a lot of fun. Even if you got a 16 seed, the 1 seed had to cover the spread or the person with the 16 seed moved on with the 1 seed. It gave to lower seeded teams a chance throughout the tourney. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

[sporthenry]

Anyone been in a point spread bracket pool? It was a lot of fun. Even if you got a 16 seed, the 1 seed had to cover the spread or the person with the 16 seed moved on with the 1 seed. It gave to lower seeded teams a chance throughout the tourney. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

That sounds pretty cool. It just sounds weird getting a team who you didn't take. I guess that makes it a little more random but it seems like just picking ATS round by round would be more skillful.

 

[pizzatyme]

The deal is, you get your pick in the first round just like a regular draw. The difference is when they play, you could have a dog (say a #15 seed) that covers and you get to move on with the higher seed. In theory, the next round now you have the #2 seed and let's say you play #7 seed but don't cover the spread. Now the guy who had the #7 gets to move on with your team (the #2 seed). It makes it more fair than 64 people putting in and those feeling like crap with 13-16 seeds. Now they can root for the dig to cover. Make sense? We had a blast with it. I'd love to do it again.

 

[sporthenry]

Alright. I'm not even sure how I was thinking the game worked but yeah, that does make it much more equitable. That would be pretty cool way to run things.

 

[sporthenry]

Don't bet on it. There have been plenty of years we are ranked well within the top 15 and end up with 7 seeds and other crap rankings. Unless we are the #1 ranked team in the nation come bracket time, I don't expect anything higher than a 3 seed. ButcherBoy--you an alum?

I'd most certainly bet on it. Down year in basketball and Gonzaga's resume is solid. Of course they could go and lose a game but barring a bad loss, they'll easily be a 1 or 2 seed.

I'll bet you that their seed # is > than their AP Ranking.

So are we betting?

 

[Garrett]

You guys are cracking me up.

Still...

 

[sporthenry]

Don't bet on it. There have been plenty of years we are ranked well within the top 15 and end up with 7 seeds and other crap rankings. Unless we are the #1 ranked team in the nation come bracket time, I don't expect anything higher than a 3 seed. ButcherBoy--you an alum?

I'd most certainly bet on it. Down year in basketball and Gonzaga's resume is solid. Of course they could go and lose a game but barring a bad loss, they'll easily be a 1 or 2 seed.

I'll bet you that their seed # is > than their AP Ranking.

So are we betting?

 

[5Rings]

Don't bet on it. There have been plenty of years we are ranked well within the top 15 and end up with 7 seeds and other crap rankings. Unless we are the #1 ranked team in the nation come bracket time, I don't expect anything higher than a 3 seed. ButcherBoy--you an alum?

I'd most certainly bet on it. Down year in basketball and Gonzaga's resume is solid. Of course they could go and lose a game but barring a bad loss, they'll easily be a 1 or 2 seed.

I'll bet you that their seed # is > than their AP Ranking.

Okay. Do I get seed is <= AP ranking?

yes

 

[Apple Jack]

Indiana, followed by Miami. But if Duke gets Ryan Kelly back for the tournament anywhere close to 100% and they are able to make the necessary adjustments, it'll be Duke.

 

[VA703]

Indiana, followed by Miami. But if Duke gets Ryan Kelly back for the tournament anywhere close to 100% and they are able to make the necessary adjustments, it'll be Duke.

Oladipo is a beast

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Indiana, followed by Miami. But if Duke gets Ryan Kelly back for the tournament anywhere close to 100% and they are able to make the necessary adjustments, it'll be Duke.

Miami has been on a heck of a run but they have one win over a ranked opponent and have some really bad losses. They also have four last-second wins against mediocre teams which, while it bodes well for those tight tourney games, it's not like they've been running people off the court like Indiana and Sparty have in most of their wins.I think they're a good team and deserving of a #1 seed right now but I could easily see them dropping a couple of these close games before the season ends. If that happens, their lack of many impressive wins and the quality of losses is really going to hurt them.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Indiana, followed by Miami. But if Duke gets Ryan Kelly back for the tournament anywhere close to 100% and they are able to make the necessary adjustments, it'll be Duke.

Miami has been on a heck of a run but they have one win over a ranked opponent and have some really bad losses. They also have four last-second wins against mediocre teams which, while it bodes well for those tight tourney games, it's not like they've been running people off the court like Indiana and Sparty have in most of their wins.I think they're a good team and deserving of a #1 seed right now but I could easily see them dropping a couple of these close games before the season ends. If that happens, their lack of many impressive wins and the quality of losses is really going to hurt them.

If only Miami had played one of those teams so we could have some idea of how they'd stack up.Very few teams blow out everyone they face. Sure, Miami has a couple close wins against lesser teams, but so does every other team in the country except Indiana. It's the nature of conference schedules and road games. And some of those close wins come against teams that are better than you think. Pomeroy has UVa at #19 right now.

Miami will probably lose at least one more time, probably two or more. But if they either go 17-1 in the ACC or 16-2 and then win the tournament, they deserve a #1 seed without question. I know everyone is fawning over the Big Ten right now, but it's not like they manhandled the ACC in the Challenge, as you may recall. And Miami certainly did their part.

Also, Miami beat UNC by 26 and 29 and Duke by 27. I think that counts as "running people off the court," yes?

 

[sporthenry]

Don't bet on it. There have been plenty of years we are ranked well within the top 15 and end up with 7 seeds and other crap rankings. Unless we are the #1 ranked team in the nation come bracket time, I don't expect anything higher than a 3 seed. ButcherBoy--you an alum?

I'd most certainly bet on it. Down year in basketball and Gonzaga's resume is solid. Of course they could go and lose a game but barring a bad loss, they'll easily be a 1 or 2 seed.

I'll bet you that their seed # is > than their AP Ranking.

Okay. Do I get seed is <= AP ranking?

yes

Alright what are the stakes?

 

[butcher boy]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Indiana.The guantlet they've gone thru all year is more than enough to warrant them as the top seed in the county.

 

[jon_mx]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

Whoa..they actually had a top 100 team on the schedule, 97th to be exact. And that 'scare' was a 13 point loss.