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[Henry Ford]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

"Scare?"

 

[jon_mx]

Speaking of scares, how about that Miami-WF game....Wake by 13 at the half.

 

[The General]

Syracuse Georgetown play a brutal 1st half. Both teams launching brick after brick up.

 

[sporthenry]

Stakes? Steaks? I'm assuming he doesn't check here much. But I'm still willing to make the bet. Understand if he doesn't want to. Only way to really win is if they jump to #1 in the polls but fall to a 2 seed overall. They won't be below the 2 seed out West.

 

[jon_mx]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

Whoa..they actually had a top 100 team on the schedule, 97th to be exact. And that 'scare' was a 13 point loss.

Gonzaga took care of the San Diego Toreros today (RPI 175). Quite the gauntlet they are running.

 

[jon_mx]

I think you gotta say it's Syracuse at this point.

Update?

 

[butcher boy]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

Whoa..they actually had a top 100 team on the schedule, 97th to be exact. And that 'scare' was a 13 point loss.

Gonzaga took care of the San Diego Toreros today (RPI 175). Quite the gauntlet they are running.

So what's your point with the sarcasm? Wanna talk RPI? OK.Zags are 3-1 vs. the RPI top 25. By comparisonuke = 3-2Florida = 2-2Michigan State = 3-3Louisville = 2-3Michigan = 3-2Syracuse = 1-0Kansas = 4-3Indiana = 4-1Miami = 3-1Zags are 10-2 vs. the RPI top 100. By comparisonuke = 12-3Florida = 11-3Michigan State = 10-4Louisville = 10-5Michigan = 10-4Syracuse = 10-4Kansas = 12-3Indiana = 9-3Miami = 13-2This is as of about a week or so ago. Since then, Gonzaga has beaten a top 100 RPI team by 43 points while the Miami's and Dukes of the world are losing to the Marylands and Wake Forests of the world. Gonzaga has zero bad losses.To imply that the Zags haven't beaten anyone is simply false. Indiana is the clear #1, but Gonzaga is absolutely legitimately in the top 5 discussion this year. Lots of people seem to be butthurt that they're crashing the annual BCS party in the top 5.And yes, SC gave Duke a scare. If I recall, SC was leading midway through the 2nd and it took a late surge by Duke to come out ahead.

 

[sporthenry]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

Whoa..they actually had a top 100 team on the schedule, 97th to be exact. And that 'scare' was a 13 point loss.

Gonzaga took care of the San Diego Toreros today (RPI 175). Quite the gauntlet they are running.

So what's your point with the sarcasm? Wanna talk RPI? OK.Zags are 3-1 vs. the RPI top 25. By comparisonuke = 3-2Florida = 2-2Michigan State = 3-3Louisville = 2-3Michigan = 3-2Syracuse = 1-0Kansas = 4-3Indiana = 4-1Miami = 3-1Zags are 10-2 vs. the RPI top 100. By comparisonuke = 12-3Florida = 11-3Michigan State = 10-4Louisville = 10-5Michigan = 10-4Syracuse = 10-4Kansas = 12-3Indiana = 9-3Miami = 13-2This is as of about a week or so ago. Since then, Gonzaga has beaten a top 100 RPI team by 43 points while the Miami's and Dukes of the world are losing to the Marylands and Wake Forests of the world. Gonzaga has zero bad losses.To imply that the Zags haven't beaten anyone is simply false. Indiana is the clear #1, but Gonzaga is absolutely legitimately in the top 5 discussion this year. Lots of people seem to be butthurt that they're crashing the annual BCS party in the top 5.And yes, SC gave Duke a scare. If I recall, SC was leading midway through the 2nd and it took a late surge by Duke to come out ahead.

Well it was a tied game versus Duke with 15 minutes left, but they won by 23 points and two games later, they only lost versus Gonzaga by 7 (granted it was at Santa Clara). So it isn't like Zaga blew them out that time. They also only have 2 RPI top 25 wins as Oklahoma State fell out and I guess either Butler/Illinois also fell out. So they are 2-0. And the thing is, they don't really have many top games. Those top 100 games include 2 versus 90 and 1 versus 87. By breaking it down like this, that is somehow equating those games versus a team who played teams in the 50/60's. Similar with the top 25. Highest RPI team they have played/beat was #19 and that was before Thanksgiving.

 

[Premier]

Gonzaga is very good but I doubt the committee gives them a 1 seed. Probably give them an 8 seed like they usually do or something.

 

[butcher boy]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

Whoa..they actually had a top 100 team on the schedule, 97th to be exact. And that 'scare' was a 13 point loss.

Gonzaga took care of the San Diego Toreros today (RPI 175). Quite the gauntlet they are running.

So what's your point with the sarcasm? Wanna talk RPI? OK.Zags are 3-1 vs. the RPI top 25. By comparisonuke = 3-2Florida = 2-2Michigan State = 3-3Louisville = 2-3Michigan = 3-2Syracuse = 1-0Kansas = 4-3Indiana = 4-1Miami = 3-1Zags are 10-2 vs. the RPI top 100. By comparisonuke = 12-3Florida = 11-3Michigan State = 10-4Louisville = 10-5Michigan = 10-4Syracuse = 10-4Kansas = 12-3Indiana = 9-3Miami = 13-2This is as of about a week or so ago. Since then, Gonzaga has beaten a top 100 RPI team by 43 points while the Miami's and Dukes of the world are losing to the Marylands and Wake Forests of the world. Gonzaga has zero bad losses.To imply that the Zags haven't beaten anyone is simply false. Indiana is the clear #1, but Gonzaga is absolutely legitimately in the top 5 discussion this year. Lots of people seem to be butthurt that they're crashing the annual BCS party in the top 5.And yes, SC gave Duke a scare. If I recall, SC was leading midway through the 2nd and it took a late surge by Duke to come out ahead.

Well it was a tied game versus Duke with 15 minutes left, but they won by 23 points and two games later, they only lost versus Gonzaga by 7 (granted it was at Santa Clara). So it isn't like Zaga blew them out that time. They also only have 2 RPI top 25 wins as Oklahoma State fell out and I guess either Butler/Illinois also fell out. So they are 2-0. And the thing is, they don't really have many top games. Those top 100 games include 2 versus 90 and 1 versus 87. By breaking it down like this, that is somehow equating those games versus a team who played teams in the 50/60's. Similar with the top 25. Highest RPI team they have played/beat was #19 and that was before Thanksgiving.

And 2 wins vs. St. Mary's who has cracked the top 25 coaches poll and on the verge of the AP poll. St. Mary's is a very good team that inexplicably schedules terribly weak OOC games every year which hurts them in the long run. We can go back and forth on schedule though. Yeah, Gonzaga's schedule is probably their weakest point, but they're blowing out the weaker teams they're currently playing by 30-40 points while most or all of the top 10 continue to get bad losses.

 

[jon_mx]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

Whoa..they actually had a top 100 team on the schedule, 97th to be exact. And that 'scare' was a 13 point loss.

Gonzaga took care of the San Diego Toreros today (RPI 175). Quite the gauntlet they are running.

So what's your point with the sarcasm? Wanna talk RPI? OK.Zags are 3-1 vs. the RPI top 25. By comparisonuke = 3-2Florida = 2-2Michigan State = 3-3Louisville = 2-3Michigan = 3-2Syracuse = 1-0Kansas = 4-3Indiana = 4-1Miami = 3-1Zags are 10-2 vs. the RPI top 100. By comparisonuke = 12-3Florida = 11-3Michigan State = 10-4Louisville = 10-5Michigan = 10-4Syracuse = 10-4Kansas = 12-3Indiana = 9-3Miami = 13-2This is as of about a week or so ago. Since then, Gonzaga has beaten a top 100 RPI team by 43 points while the Miami's and Dukes of the world are losing to the Marylands and Wake Forests of the world. Gonzaga has zero bad losses.To imply that the Zags haven't beaten anyone is simply false. Indiana is the clear #1, but Gonzaga is absolutely legitimately in the top 5 discussion this year. Lots of people seem to be butthurt that they're crashing the annual BCS party in the top 5.And yes, SC gave Duke a scare. If I recall, SC was leading midway through the 2nd and it took a late surge by Duke to come out ahead.

Well it was a tied game versus Duke with 15 minutes left, but they won by 23 points and two games later, they only lost versus Gonzaga by 7 (granted it was at Santa Clara). So it isn't like Zaga blew them out that time. They also only have 2 RPI top 25 wins as Oklahoma State fell out and I guess either Butler/Illinois also fell out. So they are 2-0. And the thing is, they don't really have many top games. Those top 100 games include 2 versus 90 and 1 versus 87. By breaking it down like this, that is somehow equating those games versus a team who played teams in the 50/60's. Similar with the top 25. Highest RPI team they have played/beat was #19 and that was before Thanksgiving.

And 2 wins vs. St. Mary's who has cracked the top 25 coaches poll and on the verge of the AP poll. St. Mary's is a very good team that inexplicably schedules terribly weak OOC games every year which hurts them in the long run. We can go back and forth on schedule though. Yeah, Gonzaga's schedule is probably their weakest point, but they're blowing out the weaker teams they're currently playing by 30-40 points while most or all of the top 10 continue to get bad losses.

All top 100 and 25 teams are not created equal. A team in the 30-40 range is so much tougher than a team in the 90-100. Playing a 90-100 team is like a #1 seed playing a #16 seed which they are like 120-0 against. Meanwhile at least a top 8 seed has a fighting chance, especially if you have to play them at home. Gonzaga's top 25 teams are at the lower end of the scale as are many of their top 100 games.

 

[sporthenry]

And 2 wins vs. St. Mary's who has cracked the top 25 coaches poll and on the verge of the AP poll. St. Mary's is a very good team that inexplicably schedules terribly weak OOC games every year which hurts them in the long run. We can go back and forth on schedule though. Yeah, Gonzaga's schedule is probably their weakest point, but they're blowing out the weaker teams they're currently playing by 30-40 points while most or all of the top 10 continue to get bad losses.

But the point being, these top teams might continue losing but it is b/c of their schedule. Even if Duke loses to a Maryland team, them at 65 is still better than 11 out of Gonzaga's 15 games in 2013. And that doesn't even take into account that this was on the heels of playing the RPI #22 team earlier in the week. Sure Gonzaga will go up as those teams lose but holding that loss against a team like Duke when it was a classic trap game is the problem. But I'm sure this thread will be bumped now when both Gonzaga and Syracuse go down in March now.

 

[butcher boy]

And 2 wins vs. St. Mary's who has cracked the top 25 coaches poll and on the verge of the AP poll. St. Mary's is a very good team that inexplicably schedules terribly weak OOC games every year which hurts them in the long run. We can go back and forth on schedule though. Yeah, Gonzaga's schedule is probably their weakest point, but they're blowing out the weaker teams they're currently playing by 30-40 points while most or all of the top 10 continue to get bad losses.

But the point being, these top teams might continue losing but it is b/c of their schedule. Even if Duke loses to a Maryland team, them at 65 is still better than 11 out of Gonzaga's 15 games in 2013. And that doesn't even take into account that this was on the heels of playing the RPI #22 team earlier in the week. Sure Gonzaga will go up as those teams lose but holding that loss against a team like Duke when it was a classic trap game is the problem. But I'm sure this thread will be bumped now when both Gonzaga and Syracuse go down in March now.

Somehow I get the impression that if Gonzaga had lost a trap game, it wouldn't be so overlooked like you're doing for Duke. I guess people just like seeing the same teams at the top all the time.

 

[jon_mx]

How many top 5 teams has Gonzaga played......0How many top 6-10 teams has Gonzaga played......0How many top 11-15 teams has Gonzaga played....1How many top 15-20 teams has Gonzaga played....1Contrast that against a Big 10 team like Minnesota who has 5 games against top 10 teams.

 

[Mile High]

Rankings matter in College basketball?

 

[butcher boy]

How many top 5 teams has Gonzaga played......0How many top 6-10 teams has Gonzaga played......0How many top 11-15 teams has Gonzaga played....1How many top 15-20 teams has Gonzaga played....1Contrast that against a Big 10 team like Minnesota who has 5 games against top 10 teams.

So Minnesota should've ranked ahead of Gonzaga now?? I haven't even brought up kenpom which is a much better predictor of success than RPI anyway. Zags are sitting at 4th.

 

[sporthenry]

And 2 wins vs. St. Mary's who has cracked the top 25 coaches poll and on the verge of the AP poll. St. Mary's is a very good team that inexplicably schedules terribly weak OOC games every year which hurts them in the long run. We can go back and forth on schedule though. Yeah, Gonzaga's schedule is probably their weakest point, but they're blowing out the weaker teams they're currently playing by 30-40 points while most or all of the top 10 continue to get bad losses.

But the point being, these top teams might continue losing but it is b/c of their schedule. Even if Duke loses to a Maryland team, them at 65 is still better than 11 out of Gonzaga's 15 games in 2013. And that doesn't even take into account that this was on the heels of playing the RPI #22 team earlier in the week. Sure Gonzaga will go up as those teams lose but holding that loss against a team like Duke when it was a classic trap game is the problem. But I'm sure this thread will be bumped now when both Gonzaga and Syracuse go down in March now.

Somehow I get the impression that if Gonzaga had lost a trap game, it wouldn't be so overlooked like you're doing for Duke. I guess people just like seeing the same teams at the top all the time.

I don't disagree. Obviously Gonzaga has to play perfect to get into this discussion but that is all they should be, in the discussion. They have a claim to a #1 seed but they are in no way any more qualified for that 1 seed than any of the other top 6-7 teams. Such is the life of a Gonzaga. I don't really care who is at the top (well as long as its Duke and not UNC) but the point is Gonzaga is a huge question mark come tournament time most years since they haven't played a S16 caliber game in 2 months.

 

[jon_mx]

How many top 5 teams has Gonzaga played......0How many top 6-10 teams has Gonzaga played......0How many top 11-15 teams has Gonzaga played....1How many top 15-20 teams has Gonzaga played....1Contrast that against a Big 10 team like Minnesota who has 5 games against top 10 teams.

So Minnesota should've ranked ahead of Gonzaga now?? I haven't even brought up kenpom which is a much better predictor of success than RPI anyway. Zags are sitting at 4th.

....no. But they should be behind Indiana, Michigan, and Duke. They will get a number 1 seed because there is no one left on their schedule who should even come close to threatening them. In my book, they are a good team, but only earned a #2 seed based on their schedule. They simply are not proven. While Gonzaga is playing teams like BYU and Portland and then a cup cake conference tourney which may have one mildly competitive game, Indiana-Michigan-Michigan St will be beating each other up in conference games, then again in their tourney.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Nothing against Gonzaga, but . . . Pomeroy's ratings are not flawless. His formula has well-known problems and it really falls down when considering a team that hasn't played elite competition.

 

[5Rings]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

Whoa..they actually had a top 100 team on the schedule, 97th to be exact. And that 'scare' was a 13 point loss.

Gonzaga took care of the San Diego Toreros today (RPI 175). Quite the gauntlet they are running.

So what's your point with the sarcasm? Wanna talk RPI? OK.Zags are 3-1 vs. the RPI top 25. By comparisonuke = 3-2Florida = 2-2Michigan State = 3-3Louisville = 2-3Michigan = 3-2Syracuse = 1-0Kansas = 4-3Indiana = 4-1Miami = 3-1Zags are 10-2 vs. the RPI top 100. By comparisonuke = 12-3Florida = 11-3Michigan State = 10-4Louisville = 10-5Michigan = 10-4Syracuse = 10-4Kansas = 12-3Indiana = 9-3Miami = 13-2This is as of about a week or so ago. Since then, Gonzaga has beaten a top 100 RPI team by 43 points while the Miami's and Dukes of the world are losing to the Marylands and Wake Forests of the world. Gonzaga has zero bad losses.To imply that the Zags haven't beaten anyone is simply false. Indiana is the clear #1, but Gonzaga is absolutely legitimately in the top 5 discussion this year. Lots of people seem to be butthurt that they're crashing the annual BCS party in the top 5.And yes, SC gave Duke a scare. If I recall, SC was leading midway through the 2nd and it took a late surge by Duke to come out ahead.

: Name the bet, Henry

 

[5Rings]

And 2 wins vs. St. Mary's who has cracked the top 25 coaches poll and on the verge of the AP poll. St. Mary's is a very good team that inexplicably schedules terribly weak OOC games every year which hurts them in the long run. We can go back and forth on schedule though. Yeah, Gonzaga's schedule is probably their weakest point, but they're blowing out the weaker teams they're currently playing by 30-40 points while most or all of the top 10 continue to get bad losses.

But the point being, these top teams might continue losing but it is b/c of their schedule. Even if Duke loses to a Maryland team, them at 65 is still better than 11 out of Gonzaga's 15 games in 2013. And that doesn't even take into account that this was on the heels of playing the RPI #22 team earlier in the week. Sure Gonzaga will go up as those teams lose but holding that loss against a team like Duke when it was a classic trap game is the problem. But I'm sure this thread will be bumped now when both Gonzaga and Syracuse go down in March now.

Somehow I get the impression that if Gonzaga had lost a trap game, it wouldn't be so overlooked like you're doing for Duke. I guess people just like seeing the same teams at the top all the time.

I don't disagree. Obviously Gonzaga has to play perfect to get into this discussion but that is all they should be, in the discussion. They have a claim to a #1 seed but they are in no way any more qualified for that 1 seed than any of the other top 6-7 teams. Such is the life of a Gonzaga. I don't really care who is at the top (well as long as its Duke and not UNC) but the point is Gonzaga is a huge question mark come tournament time most years since they haven't played a S16 caliber game in 2 months.

The last paragraph is 100% incorrect...and Henry, eve though you are new, having jonmx or mop agree with you on a topic is a huge red flag that you should reevaluate your stance.

 

[sporthenry]

An update for your guys' bet.Gonzaga beat Santa Clara, a top 100 RPI team, by 43 points last night. As a reminder, this is the same Santa Clara team that gave Duke a scare earlier in the season.The Zags doing everything they can to not let the selection committee screw them.

Whoa..they actually had a top 100 team on the schedule, 97th to be exact. And that 'scare' was a 13 point loss.

Gonzaga took care of the San Diego Toreros today (RPI 175). Quite the gauntlet they are running.

So what's your point with the sarcasm? Wanna talk RPI? OK.Zags are 3-1 vs. the RPI top 25. By comparisonuke = 3-2Florida = 2-2Michigan State = 3-3Louisville = 2-3Michigan = 3-2Syracuse = 1-0Kansas = 4-3Indiana = 4-1Miami = 3-1Zags are 10-2 vs. the RPI top 100. By comparisonuke = 12-3Florida = 11-3Michigan State = 10-4Louisville = 10-5Michigan = 10-4Syracuse = 10-4Kansas = 12-3Indiana = 9-3Miami = 13-2This is as of about a week or so ago. Since then, Gonzaga has beaten a top 100 RPI team by 43 points while the Miami's and Dukes of the world are losing to the Marylands and Wake Forests of the world. Gonzaga has zero bad losses.To imply that the Zags haven't beaten anyone is simply false. Indiana is the clear #1, but Gonzaga is absolutely legitimately in the top 5 discussion this year. Lots of people seem to be butthurt that they're crashing the annual BCS party in the top 5.And yes, SC gave Duke a scare. If I recall, SC was leading midway through the 2nd and it took a late surge by Duke to come out ahead.

: Name the bet, Henry

What are you thinking?

 

[sporthenry]

And 2 wins vs. St. Mary's who has cracked the top 25 coaches poll and on the verge of the AP poll. St. Mary's is a very good team that inexplicably schedules terribly weak OOC games every year which hurts them in the long run. We can go back and forth on schedule though. Yeah, Gonzaga's schedule is probably their weakest point, but they're blowing out the weaker teams they're currently playing by 30-40 points while most or all of the top 10 continue to get bad losses.

But the point being, these top teams might continue losing but it is b/c of their schedule. Even if Duke loses to a Maryland team, them at 65 is still better than 11 out of Gonzaga's 15 games in 2013. And that doesn't even take into account that this was on the heels of playing the RPI #22 team earlier in the week. Sure Gonzaga will go up as those teams lose but holding that loss against a team like Duke when it was a classic trap game is the problem. But I'm sure this thread will be bumped now when both Gonzaga and Syracuse go down in March now.

Somehow I get the impression that if Gonzaga had lost a trap game, it wouldn't be so overlooked like you're doing for Duke. I guess people just like seeing the same teams at the top all the time.

I don't disagree. Obviously Gonzaga has to play perfect to get into this discussion but that is all they should be, in the discussion. They have a claim to a #1 seed but they are in no way any more qualified for that 1 seed than any of the other top 6-7 teams. Such is the life of a Gonzaga. I don't really care who is at the top (well as long as its Duke and not UNC) but the point is Gonzaga is a huge question mark come tournament time most years since they haven't played a S16 caliber game in 2 months.

The last paragraph is 100% incorrect...and Henry, eve though you are new, having jonmx or mop agree with you on a topic is a huge red flag that you should reevaluate your stance.

I guess the years when St. Mary's or BYU were good, they were more tested. But in the last few months, Gonzaga hasn't been tested and you really can't argue that. They've played what? St. Mary's? They lost to one of those bad BCS teams in Georgia Tech. Squeaked out a 1 point win over Harvard and their big win recently at home versus Creighton. But St. Mary's would be something like a 9-11 seed. So that will be the equivalent of a 2nd round match up. In order to make the F4, they'll have to face much tougher test than that.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Nothing against Gonzaga, but . . . Pomeroy's ratings are not flawless. His formula has well-known problems and it really falls down when considering a team that hasn't played elite competition.

Does it? The beauty of KP's formula is that it doesn't weight beating a bad team by 10 and beating a bad team by 30 the same. Good teams typically do the latter, and not the former. Gonzaga hasn't had any bad missteps. They lost to a pretty good Butler team on the road, and an even better Illinois team at home. They've beaten Baylor, they've beaten OSU, Oklahoma, St. Mary's twice. It's not a Big 10 resume, but KP has them ranked right around Pitt, who played Michigan and a bunch of girls' schools out of conference. This argument came up in 2008 re: KenPom, and that was the year Memphis nearly won it all with a high KP ranking. But, there really isn't enough data to test whether KP's rankings are accurate or not. The experiment gets run once, and that's not too big of a sample size. If Gonzaga goes out in the second-round, does that mean they weren't any good, or does it mean they just got caught?

 

[butcher boy]

St. Mary's is still a very good team this year. Funny how Gonzaga's big wins don't really count since they were early in the season, but when trying to say that St. Mary's isn't very good, it's ok to bring up some bad losses early in their season. St. Mary's has broken the coaches' top 25 and is a win or two away from breaking into the AP poll. I fully expect to see them in the WCC championship game.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I think you gotta say it's Syracuse at this point.

Update?

No change really

 

[Raider Nation]

Louisville/SYR in the finals would be interesting to say the least.

 

[Raider Nation]

The Cuse realistically will finish 3rd or 4th in the Big East. That's with considerable luck.

Maybe in some bizarro world but not this one.

Once teams figure out the novelty zone defense you guys play it's all over. Same story every year.

 

[Abraham]

Louisville/SYR in the finals would be interesting to say the least.

That's what I'm hoping for.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

CUSE!!!!!

 

[Raider Nation]

Chicken-or-egg question: Is Boeheim a better coach or recruiter?

Is his zone so devastating because of how he teaches it, or is it because of the looooooong players he so covets?

 

[jon_mx]

Chicken-or-egg question: Is Boeheim a better coach or recruiter?

Is his zone so devastating because of how he teaches it, or is it because of the looooooong players he so covets?

He recruits players which fit his system. Seems like smart recruiting and effective coaching.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I think you gotta say it's Syracuse at this point.

Update?

Did you get an answer here yet?

 

[jon_mx]

I think you gotta say it's Syracuse at this point.

Update?

Did you get an answer here yet?

Louisville down?

 

[Sarnoff]

Always nice when you can hold the other team to making only 12 shots from the floor.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Chicken-or-egg question: Is Boeheim a better coach or recruiter?

Is his zone so devastating because of how he teaches it, or is it because of the looooooong players he so covets?

IMO it's a great match of scheme and people.I also think that sports teams that know who they are have a big advantage -- especially at the NCAA level. Do the same thing over and over to where everybody on the floor knows exactly how to handle any situation that comes up and it pays off. Almost doesn't matter what the scheme is (Navy running the wishbone, Beilein's offense at WVU and Michigain, the Bulls running the triangle), just that everyone gets it and knows instinctively where to be.

Too many teams try to do too many things and never get great at any of them.

 

[Nipsey]

http://monkeydyne.com/rmcs/opencomic.phtml?rowid=396532

 

[Raider Nation]

http://monkeydyne.com/rmcs/opencomic.phtml?rowid=396532

Wait to see who the two winners tomorrow are. No sense hedging on FOUR other teams.Then you put just enough money on those two winners so that if either of them won it all, you'd get back your risk amount on ALL bets. So now heading into the F4, it's gravy. Sit back and root for your boys or the Shockers to win it all at monster odds.

 

[Nipsey]

http://monkeydyne.com/rmcs/opencomic.phtml?rowid=396532

Wait to see who the two winners tomorrow are. No sense hedging on FOUR other teams.Then you put just enough money on those two winners so that if either of them won it all, you'd get back your risk amount on ALL bets. So now heading into the F4, it's gravy. Sit back and root for your boys or the Shockers to win it all at monster odds.

I appreciate the response RN but I'm looking for a way to (somewhat?) cash out before tip next Saturday. I feel like I should get 5 figures out no matter what. Those are all my futures. Not looking to cover the bets, sit back and enjoy. I'll enjoy regardless. I'm with you I'm just looking for the math guys to figure out what to do. This is tough with the WichSt bet to figure.ETA

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[Aaron Rudnicki]

Michigan is +600

Duke is +500

Florida is +400

Louisville is +250

Cuse might be close to even with Michigan or Florida after tomorrow

Louisville or Duke will be a huge favorite over Wichita so hedging on that side seems much tougher for sure.

Might be best to put money on all of these teams now.

 

[Nipsey]

Michigan is +600Duke is +500Florida is +400Louisville is +250Cuse might be close to even with Michigan or Florida after tomorrowLouisville or Duke will be a huge favorite over Wichita so hedging on that side seems much tougher for sure. Might be best to put money on all of these teams now.

Basically this will be Lou's best price, no? hammer now and then re-hedge?

 

[Raider Nation]

 

[Ilov80s]

Similar to last year, Cuse, Michigan, Kansas, Zona.

 

[Raider Nation]

Similar to last year, Cuse, Michigan, Kansas, Zona.

You spell "Florida" strangely.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Similar to last year, Cuse, Michigan, Kansas, Zona.

You spell "Florida" strangely.

indeed.

The addition of Chris walker tuesday should only help Florida too. All they have been lacking is a true inside scoring threat.

 

[Mile High]

Kansas isn't even the best team in the state of Kansas.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Similar to last year, Cuse, Michigan, Kansas, Zona.

You spell "Florida" strangely.

indeed.

The addition of Chris walker tuesday should only help Florida too. All they have been lacking is a true inside scoring threat.

I'm not expecting much from Walker anytime soon. Maybe by Big Dance time he'll be ready to play significant minutes.

I don't think the general crappiness of the SEC is doing UF any favors as far as getting ready for the tourney. Pretty much 2 UK games and a whole bunch of mediocre to bad on the conference slate.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm not expecting much from Walker anytime soon. Maybe by Big Dance time he'll be ready to play significant minutes.


I don't think the general crappiness of the SEC is doing UF any favors as far as getting ready for the tourney. Pretty much 2 UK games and a whole bunch of mediocre to bad on the conference slate.

Luckily they played some really strong teams pre-conference, because otherwise I agree that the SEC would do a poor job of preparing them for the tourney.

That said, they've made it to three straight elite 8's (should have made the final 4 two of those years) and I think this team is better than any of those.

ETA: A ridiculous amount of tourney experience on this team too. Four starters that all played on all three of those elite 8 games.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

After today, no doubt Kentucky. Huge road win, at Mizzou. The toughest home environment in the NCAA.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Nice few minutes by Walker tonight so maybe he can end up having an impact this season.

What concerns me is that almost every game Florida has long stretches where they struggle offensively. Their defense keeps them in it until they can put a spurt together, but eventually they're going to run into a team that manages to have a good day offensively. Also free throw shooting could be a real Achilles' heel come tourney time.