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[Sweet Love]

gators and duke

Right. I still think Cuse is excellent, but there is (1) waaay too much drama for a 25-2 team and (2) I can certainly live with a loss to Duke, but not one to BC. The ACC is deep, but not THAT deep.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

gators and duke

Right. I still think Cuse is excellent, but there is (1) waaay too much drama for a 25-2 team and (2) I can certainly live with a loss to Duke, but not one to BC. The ACC is deep, but not THAT deep.

The SEC, on the other hand, has no quality depth. Not sure Florida would be running up the record they are in another league

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Zona all the way right now, they are so fun to watch. Dunks galore.

Zona lacks depth, and losing Brandon Ashley is a huge blow.

Every contender has serious flaws.

 

[Koya]

gators and duke

Right. I still think Cuse is excellent, but there is (1) waaay too much drama for a 25-2 team and (2) I can certainly live with a loss to Duke, but not one to BC. The ACC is deep, but not THAT deep.

The BC loss didn't worry men we let our guard down after being way up to a far inferior team - in the midst of playing crappy ball for a few games, albeit lucky ball until then.

I can't get too upset about losing to Duke. We didn't play very well, and still had a great shot to win. But tonight's game? If we slide from slump to full on malaise it's going to to be much more difficult to get right and go deep.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Kansas going for a share of their 10th straight Big !2 championship. WTF Big 12, that's embarrassing.

The last non-KU team to win the Big 12 outright is the Oklahoma State team with John Lucas III, Tony Allen, and the Graham twins that went to the Final Four.

If KU clinches a piece of the conference title tonight, then Bill Self will have more conference titles than home losses since taking over the program.

This year's squad has had some games away from Lawrence where they looked like a team with zero returning starters and a bunch of freshmen, but at the Phog they have had some spectacular games. Their only home loss is to San Diego State, who is projecting as a 3-seed right now.

 

[The General]

Kansas going for a share of their 10th straight Big !2 championship. WTF Big 12, that's embarrassing.

The last non-KU team to win the Big 12 outright is the Oklahoma State team with John Lucas III, Tony Allen, and the Graham twins that went to the Final Four.

If KU clinches a piece of the conference title tonight, then Bill Self will have more conference titles than home losses since taking over the program.

This year's squad has had some games away from Lawrence where they looked like a team with zero returning starters and a bunch of freshmen, but at the Phog they have had some spectacular games. Their only home loss is to San Diego State, who is projecting as a 3-seed right now.

KU is a powerhouse program no doubt, college basketball royalty. But, 10 straight is a statement about the rest of that conference.

 

[tdoss]

Kansas going for a share of their 10th straight Big !2 championship. WTF Big 12, that's embarrassing.

The last non-KU team to win the Big 12 outright is the Oklahoma State team with John Lucas III, Tony Allen, and the Graham twins that went to the Final Four.

If KU clinches a piece of the conference title tonight, then Bill Self will have more conference titles than home losses since taking over the program.

This year's squad has had some games away from Lawrence where they looked like a team with zero returning starters and a bunch of freshmen, but at the Phog they have had some spectacular games. Their only home loss is to San Diego State, who is projecting as a 3-seed right now.

KU is a powerhouse program no doubt, college basketball royalty. But, 10 straight is a statement about the rest of that conference.

x 2

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Our..

Ugh.

I went there. We. I'm not talking about the Whalers here.

Unless you're suiting up, no we.

You're wrong on this one. No we when referring to pro teams. Colleges you attended, we is allowed. My school = "we", "us". Stick to telling us who gets the roses each week.

Spoiler

Okay, well we're now #1.

 

[Frostillicus]

Our..

Ugh.

I went there. We. I'm not talking about the Whalers here.

Unless you're suiting up, no we.

You're wrong on this one. No we when referring to pro teams. Colleges you attended, we is allowed. My school = "we", "us". Stick to telling us who gets the roses each week.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Okay, well we're now #1.

We are?

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Kansas going for a share of their 10th straight Big !2 championship. WTF Big 12, that's embarrassing.

The last non-KU team to win the Big 12 outright is the Oklahoma State team with John Lucas III, Tony Allen, and the Graham twins that went to the Final Four.

If KU clinches a piece of the conference title tonight, then Bill Self will have more conference titles than home losses since taking over the program.

This year's squad has had some games away from Lawrence where they looked like a team with zero returning starters and a bunch of freshmen, but at the Phog they have had some spectacular games. Their only home loss is to San Diego State, who is projecting as a 3-seed right now.

KU is a powerhouse program no doubt, college basketball royalty. But, 10 straight is a statement about the rest of that conference.

x 2

Not as strong a statement as you think. Most measures of conference strength put the Big XII as the 3rd or 4th best conference over the last ten years. Even the down years for the conference were 4-bid seasons with two teams on the 4-seed line or stronger. But we're off topic.Pleased with the win tonight. Wiggins struggled offensively in the first 30 minutes but was fantastic in the last 10. Lots of fouls on the frontcourt but the backup bigs pulled down a lot of boards. If Tharpe plays every game the rest of the way like he did tonight, KU wins the national title going away. But he's Tharpe, so he won't.

It's crowded at the top this season. KU has 17 wins against the RPI 100, 7 wins against the RPI 30, zero losses outside the RPI 50, and doesn't have a 1-seed locked up. Probably going to have to win the conference tournament and hope Cuse or Wichita loses in theirs to move up.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

We are?

Self gave our guy Frankamp an audition in the first half tonight. Five minutes and three fouls later, he was back on the bench.He did hit a couple threes at K-State. K-State also has an in-state white combo guard, so they had someone Frankamp could check.

 

[Frostillicus]

We are?

Self gave our guy Frankamp an audition in the first half tonight. Five minutes and three fouls later, he was back on the bench.He did hit a couple threes at K-State. K-State also has an in-state white combo guard, so they had someone Frankamp could check.

I'm just waiting for him to win the 3-point contest in 3 years.

 

[Scoresman]

Give me Kansas. 4 legit NBA players and a solid, experienced PG. Assuming Embiid is healthy, too many options offensively between Selden, Ellis, Wiggins, Embiid to go cold and their defense should be good enough.

They did lose SU to Florida. Didn't catch that game so maybe I'll try to watch that since I'm not well versed on Florida.

Kansas is legit. They also have the toughest schedule in the land. I also think nova's up there too.

Not high on Nova at all. They have 2 wins which they are hanging their hat on. Both came in the Bahamas in November. Since then, losses to Creighton and 'Cuse in noncompetitive games.

Of course this all changes when the match ups are announced but I just don't see Nova being able to beat a top team consistently. I think Vegas futures are probably best indicators granted they favor blue bloods a bit. They have Nova at 12th best.

Leading the way are Florida, Kansas, Cuse, MSU, Wichita State, Duke, Arizona, UK, Louisville, Iowa

I should clarify since I tend to get lost in the stats, I don't consider nova to be the best team right now, but I see them as possibly outperforming their eventual seed in the tournament, and consider them a team that could win it. There's a group of stats that all champs from the last two decades I believe, have had in common, and right now the only teams to have them AND pass the kenpom champ test are Kansas and Nova.

As for some of the other teams you list, I think I take Louisville off of it. Louisville's SOS hardly has them battle tested for the tournament.

Their opponents have been nothing to write home about, but they can only beat who is on their schedule. They look like a damn strong team to me. They'll be a tough out in the tourney.

That's what people said about Zaga last year and look how that turned out. I think there's something to be said about being battle tested going into the tournament.

In the last decade and a half, no national champ has had a SOS lower than 75th. Right now, Louisville is at 96.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Give me Kansas. 4 legit NBA players and a solid, experienced PG. Assuming Embiid is healthy, too many options offensively between Selden, Ellis, Wiggins, Embiid to go cold and their defense should be good enough.

They did lose SU to Florida. Didn't catch that game so maybe I'll try to watch that since I'm not well versed on Florida.

Kansas is legit. They also have the toughest schedule in the land. I also think nova's up there too.

Not high on Nova at all. They have 2 wins which they are hanging their hat on. Both came in the Bahamas in November. Since then, losses to Creighton and 'Cuse in noncompetitive games.

Of course this all changes when the match ups are announced but I just don't see Nova being able to beat a top team consistently. I think Vegas futures are probably best indicators granted they favor blue bloods a bit. They have Nova at 12th best.

Leading the way are Florida, Kansas, Cuse, MSU, Wichita State, Duke, Arizona, UK, Louisville, Iowa

I should clarify since I tend to get lost in the stats, I don't consider nova to be the best team right now, but I see them as possibly outperforming their eventual seed in the tournament, and consider them a team that could win it. There's a group of stats that all champs from the last two decades I believe, have had in common, and right now the only teams to have them AND pass the kenpom champ test are Kansas and Nova.

As for some of the other teams you list, I think I take Louisville off of it. Louisville's SOS hardly has them battle tested for the tournament.

Their opponents have been nothing to write home about, but they can only beat who is on their schedule. They look like a damn strong team to me. They'll be a tough out in the tourney.

That's what people said about Zaga last year and look how that turned out. I think there's something to be said about being battle tested going into the tournament.

In the last decade and a half, no national champ has had a SOS lower than 75th. Right now, Louisville is at 96.

Gonzaga lost to a final 4 team that lost to the eventual national champion by 4 points. I hardly think that it is a great argument. Not to mention the fact that kenpom has Louisville at number 2 right now. There are obviously no guarantees, but by no means would I write off Louisville.

 

[sporthenry]

Where are you getting SOS and is it after tournament? I imagine 6 games 3-4 of which against the best teams in the country will push up anyone's SOS.

 

[Scoresman]

Give me Kansas. 4 legit NBA players and a solid, experienced PG. Assuming Embiid is healthy, too many options offensively between Selden, Ellis, Wiggins, Embiid to go cold and their defense should be good enough.

They did lose SU to Florida. Didn't catch that game so maybe I'll try to watch that since I'm not well versed on Florida.

Kansas is legit. They also have the toughest schedule in the land. I also think nova's up there too.

Not high on Nova at all. They have 2 wins which they are hanging their hat on. Both came in the Bahamas in November. Since then, losses to Creighton and 'Cuse in noncompetitive games.

Of course this all changes when the match ups are announced but I just don't see Nova being able to beat a top team consistently. I think Vegas futures are probably best indicators granted they favor blue bloods a bit. They have Nova at 12th best.

Leading the way are Florida, Kansas, Cuse, MSU, Wichita State, Duke, Arizona, UK, Louisville, Iowa

I should clarify since I tend to get lost in the stats, I don't consider nova to be the best team right now, but I see them as possibly outperforming their eventual seed in the tournament, and consider them a team that could win it. There's a group of stats that all champs from the last two decades I believe, have had in common, and right now the only teams to have them AND pass the kenpom champ test are Kansas and Nova.

As for some of the other teams you list, I think I take Louisville off of it. Louisville's SOS hardly has them battle tested for the tournament.

Their opponents have been nothing to write home about, but they can only beat who is on their schedule. They look like a damn strong team to me. They'll be a tough out in the tourney.

That's what people said about Zaga last year and look how that turned out. I think there's something to be said about being battle tested going into the tournament.

In the last decade and a half, no national champ has had a SOS lower than 75th. Right now, Louisville is at 96.

Gonzaga lost to a final 4 team that lost to the eventual national champion by 4 points. I hardly think that it is a great argument. Not to mention the fact that kenpom has Louisville at number 2 right now. There are obviously no guarantees, but by no means would I write off Louisville.

Not writing them off, just saying that being battle tested is important based on history, and it does not look like Louisville will be at all.

Gonzaga also came close to being the first 1 seed upset by a 16 seed as well. It was quite obvious they came into the tournament not expecting the higher level of play they got. And they were very highly ranked by kenpom too. They had very high efficiency numbers with a schedule very similar to Lousiville's this year.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Where are you getting SOS and is it after tournament? I imagine 6 games 3-4 of which against the best teams in the country will push up anyone's SOS.

This is a good point. was looking at Kentucky in 2012 who only played 1 ranked team in Florida in conference, and player UNC, Louisville and Kansas OOC. They ended up with 28 on Kenpom.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Give me Kansas. 4 legit NBA players and a solid, experienced PG. Assuming Embiid is healthy, too many options offensively between Selden, Ellis, Wiggins, Embiid to go cold and their defense should be good enough.

They did lose SU to Florida. Didn't catch that game so maybe I'll try to watch that since I'm not well versed on Florida.

Kansas is legit. They also have the toughest schedule in the land. I also think nova's up there too.

Not high on Nova at all. They have 2 wins which they are hanging their hat on. Both came in the Bahamas in November. Since then, losses to Creighton and 'Cuse in noncompetitive games.

Of course this all changes when the match ups are announced but I just don't see Nova being able to beat a top team consistently. I think Vegas futures are probably best indicators granted they favor blue bloods a bit. They have Nova at 12th best.

Leading the way are Florida, Kansas, Cuse, MSU, Wichita State, Duke, Arizona, UK, Louisville, Iowa

I should clarify since I tend to get lost in the stats, I don't consider nova to be the best team right now, but I see them as possibly outperforming their eventual seed in the tournament, and consider them a team that could win it. There's a group of stats that all champs from the last two decades I believe, have had in common, and right now the only teams to have them AND pass the kenpom champ test are Kansas and Nova.

As for some of the other teams you list, I think I take Louisville off of it. Louisville's SOS hardly has them battle tested for the tournament.

Their opponents have been nothing to write home about, but they can only beat who is on their schedule. They look like a damn strong team to me. They'll be a tough out in the tourney.

That's what people said about Zaga last year and look how that turned out. I think there's something to be said about being battle tested going into the tournament.

In the last decade and a half, no national champ has had a SOS lower than 75th. Right now, Louisville is at 96.

Gonzaga lost to a final 4 team that lost to the eventual national champion by 4 points. I hardly think that it is a great argument. Not to mention the fact that kenpom has Louisville at number 2 right now. There are obviously no guarantees, but by no means would I write off Louisville.

Not writing them off, just saying that being battle tested is important based on history, and it does not look like Louisville will be at all.

Out of Louisville's 9 main players, 6 were on last year's team or more. I guess none of those games count.

 

[Scoresman]

Give me Kansas. 4 legit NBA players and a solid, experienced PG. Assuming Embiid is healthy, too many options offensively between Selden, Ellis, Wiggins, Embiid to go cold and their defense should be good enough.

They did lose SU to Florida. Didn't catch that game so maybe I'll try to watch that since I'm not well versed on Florida.

Kansas is legit. They also have the toughest schedule in the land. I also think nova's up there too.

Not high on Nova at all. They have 2 wins which they are hanging their hat on. Both came in the Bahamas in November. Since then, losses to Creighton and 'Cuse in noncompetitive games.

Of course this all changes when the match ups are announced but I just don't see Nova being able to beat a top team consistently. I think Vegas futures are probably best indicators granted they favor blue bloods a bit. They have Nova at 12th best.

Leading the way are Florida, Kansas, Cuse, MSU, Wichita State, Duke, Arizona, UK, Louisville, Iowa

I should clarify since I tend to get lost in the stats, I don't consider nova to be the best team right now, but I see them as possibly outperforming their eventual seed in the tournament, and consider them a team that could win it. There's a group of stats that all champs from the last two decades I believe, have had in common, and right now the only teams to have them AND pass the kenpom champ test are Kansas and Nova.

As for some of the other teams you list, I think I take Louisville off of it. Louisville's SOS hardly has them battle tested for the tournament.

Their opponents have been nothing to write home about, but they can only beat who is on their schedule. They look like a damn strong team to me. They'll be a tough out in the tourney.

That's what people said about Zaga last year and look how that turned out. I think there's something to be said about being battle tested going into the tournament.

In the last decade and a half, no national champ has had a SOS lower than 75th. Right now, Louisville is at 96.

Gonzaga lost to a final 4 team that lost to the eventual national champion by 4 points. I hardly think that it is a great argument. Not to mention the fact that kenpom has Louisville at number 2 right now. There are obviously no guarantees, but by no means would I write off Louisville.

Not writing them off, just saying that being battle tested is important based on history, and it does not look like Louisville will be at all.

Out of Louisville's 9 main players, 6 were on last year's team or more. I guess none of those games count.

Not when measuring this year's SOS, no.

I'm just telling you what the numbers say and they say that Louisville will be an outlier in the list of the past dozen champs if they win it all. Can it happen though? Sure.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Give me Kansas. 4 legit NBA players and a solid, experienced PG. Assuming Embiid is healthy, too many options offensively between Selden, Ellis, Wiggins, Embiid to go cold and their defense should be good enough.

They did lose SU to Florida. Didn't catch that game so maybe I'll try to watch that since I'm not well versed on Florida.

Kansas is legit. They also have the toughest schedule in the land. I also think nova's up there too.

Not high on Nova at all. They have 2 wins which they are hanging their hat on. Both came in the Bahamas in November. Since then, losses to Creighton and 'Cuse in noncompetitive games.

Of course this all changes when the match ups are announced but I just don't see Nova being able to beat a top team consistently. I think Vegas futures are probably best indicators granted they favor blue bloods a bit. They have Nova at 12th best.

Leading the way are Florida, Kansas, Cuse, MSU, Wichita State, Duke, Arizona, UK, Louisville, Iowa

I should clarify since I tend to get lost in the stats, I don't consider nova to be the best team right now, but I see them as possibly outperforming their eventual seed in the tournament, and consider them a team that could win it. There's a group of stats that all champs from the last two decades I believe, have had in common, and right now the only teams to have them AND pass the kenpom champ test are Kansas and Nova.

As for some of the other teams you list, I think I take Louisville off of it. Louisville's SOS hardly has them battle tested for the tournament.

Their opponents have been nothing to write home about, but they can only beat who is on their schedule. They look like a damn strong team to me. They'll be a tough out in the tourney.

That's what people said about Zaga last year and look how that turned out. I think there's something to be said about being battle tested going into the tournament.

In the last decade and a half, no national champ has had a SOS lower than 75th. Right now, Louisville is at 96.

Gonzaga lost to a final 4 team that lost to the eventual national champion by 4 points. I hardly think that it is a great argument. Not to mention the fact that kenpom has Louisville at number 2 right now. There are obviously no guarantees, but by no means would I write off Louisville.

Not writing them off, just saying that being battle tested is important based on history, and it does not look like Louisville will be at all.

Out of Louisville's 9 main players, 6 were on last year's team or more. I guess none of those games count.

Allow me to introduce you to the 1993-1994 UNC Tar Heels. Of the eight players getting more than 20 minutes on that team, six were on the previous year's national championship team. The other two were Jerry Stackhouse and Rasheed Wallace. They went only 28-7 on the year, 11-5 in conference, and were upset in the second round as the 1 seed in the east.

I like Louisville as one of the 5 or 6 favorites this year, but weird #### happens from one season to the next. Every team is different.

 

[Raider Nation]

Will Syracuse even make the tourney?

 

[loser]

Will Syracuse even make the tourney?

Lunardi has them playing Eastern Kentucky on Tuesday.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Will Syracuse even make the tourney?

LAST FOUR IN

 

[jon_mx]

Is Kentucky still undefeated?

 

[tdoss]

Kentucky appears to be great when Cal is not coaching.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Is UK even a lock to make the tourney?

 

[jon_mx]

Is UK even a lock to make the tourney?

Yeah, of course. But probably about a 6th seed at this point.

 

[Grady Wilson]

Is UK even a lock to make the tourney?

Yeah, of course. But probably about a 6th seed at this point.

Sorry, but there's no way they are a 6 seed at this point. They have some bad losses and only one good win. They are not deserving of a 6 seed right now.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Will Syracuse even make the tourney?

Imagine if they had lost those 2 games they got the miracle wins on.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Is UK even a lock to make the tourney?

Yeah, of course. But probably about a 6th seed at this point.

Sorry, but there's no way they are a 6 seed at this point. They have some bad losses and only one good win. They are not deserving of a 6 seed right now.

That's what I'm saying. It's a thin, thin resume.

Maybe tonight's low will give all those talented individuals the desire to actually start listening to Calipari. They still have a chance for a big win at UF or a good SEC tournament.

 

[jon_mx]

Is UK even a lock to make the tourney?

Yeah, of course. But probably about a 6th seed at this point.

Sorry, but there's no way they are a 6 seed at this point. They have some bad losses and only one good win. They are not deserving of a 6 seed right now.

Is UK even a lock to make the tourney?

Yeah, of course. But probably about a 6th seed at this point.

Sorry, but there's no way they are a 6 seed at this point. They have some bad losses and only one good win. They are not deserving of a 6 seed right now.

They still have their name and a strong record despite the lack of quality wins. The difference between a 6th and an 11th seed is basically where the committee wants to put them

 

[Grady Wilson]

Is UK even a lock to make the tourney?

Yeah, of course. But probably about a 6th seed at this point.

Sorry, but there's no way they are a 6 seed at this point. They have some bad losses and only one good win. They are not deserving of a 6 seed right now.

Is UK even a lock to make the tourney?

Yeah, of course. But probably about a 6th seed at this point.

Sorry, but there's no way they are a 6 seed at this point. They have some bad losses and only one good win. They are not deserving of a 6 seed right now.

They still have their name and a strong record despite the lack of quality wins. The difference between a 6th and an 11th seed is basically where the committee wants to put them

Carolina had almost the identical resume at this point last year. They made it to the ACC tourney final and they were an 8 seed. The reason stated why Carolina didn't have any quality wins on their resume. Kentucky doesn't either other than the Louisville win that I just mentioned. Losing to Arkansas twice and then to SC doesn't help their cause.

 

[Marvelous]

No one has mentioned UVa as a possibly the best team yet.

 

[Balco]

UCONN

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Is Kentucky still undefeated?

BEST FRESHMAN CLASS EVERZ!!!!!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

No one has mentioned UVa as a possibly the best team yet.

How did they get throttled by Tenn? It boggles the mind.

Definitely hot now though.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If my life depended on correctly picking this year's champion, I would take Arizona.

 

[sporthenry]

No one has mentioned UVa as a possibly the best team yet.

B/c they aren't the best team. Funny how one game takes a drastically underrated team and now people want to put them at #1. The answer lies somewhere in between although a top 10/2 seed makes sense. If they get to a 2 seed, I could see a F4 run.

 

[The Commish]

No one has mentioned UVa as a possibly the best team yet.

B/c they aren't the best team. Funny how one game takes a drastically underrated team and now people want to put them at #1. The answer lies somewhere in between although a top 10/2 seed makes sense. If they get to a 2 seed, I could see a F4 run.

Not sure it's a single game. It's the fact that they are 16-1 in the ACC. Their win over Syracuse told me more about Syracuse than it did UVa

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

No one has mentioned UVa as a possibly the best team yet.

B/c they aren't the best team. Funny how one game takes a drastically underrated team and now people want to put them at #1. The answer lies somewhere in between although a top 10/2 seed makes sense. If they get to a 2 seed, I could see a F4 run.

There's no way to pick the "best" team. I think Arizona or Florida is on paper but both can certainly be debated. And the winner of the tournament isn't always the best team either. But UVA is 16-1 in the ACC and has held a 19 point lead or more in 13 of those 17 games. In other words, they aren't just winning but are destroying teams which is the sign of a really good team. You're using two early season games (Green Bay and Tennessee) to discount them just as much as you think others are overrating them based on Syracuse game. You had to have your head in the sand not to realize how good UVA was before Saturday.

 

[Timmay]

Virginia is overrated. Schedule wasn't nearly as hard as any of the other top teams in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Pitt, Syracuse). I wouldn't be surprised if those 4 are still there in the tourney when Virginia is eliminated. They have a decent team, don't get me wrong, but far from what the standings in the ACC say.

Florida is my best team in the country right now.

I do think the tourney will come down to one of the following teams winning it all: Florida, Arizona, Duke, Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Kansas. Whoever can get hot at the right time.

 

[The Commish]

Virginia is overrated. Schedule wasn't nearly as hard as any of the other top teams in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Pitt, Syracuse). I wouldn't be surprised if those 4 are still there in the tourney when Virginia is eliminated. They have a decent team, don't get me wrong, but far from what the standings in the ACC say.

Florida is my best team in the country right now.

I do think the tourney will come down to one of the following teams winning it all: Florida, Arizona, Duke, Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Kansas. Whoever can get hot at the right time.

Virginia was 14 a week or so ago.....how much further down do you think they should be ranked?

 

[Timmay]

Virginia is overrated. Schedule wasn't nearly as hard as any of the other top teams in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Pitt, Syracuse). I wouldn't be surprised if those 4 are still there in the tourney when Virginia is eliminated. They have a decent team, don't get me wrong, but far from what the standings in the ACC say.

Florida is my best team in the country right now.

I do think the tourney will come down to one of the following teams winning it all: Florida, Arizona, Duke, Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Kansas. Whoever can get hot at the right time.

Virginia was 14 a week or so ago.....how much further down do you think they should be ranked?

Im not necessarily saying they are overrated in the polls, because those don't really matter anyways. They are overrated with all the attention they are getting. Unless they win the ACC tournament, they better not get a 1 or 2 seed.

 

[The Commish]

Virginia is overrated. Schedule wasn't nearly as hard as any of the other top teams in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Pitt, Syracuse). I wouldn't be surprised if those 4 are still there in the tourney when Virginia is eliminated. They have a decent team, don't get me wrong, but far from what the standings in the ACC say.

Florida is my best team in the country right now.

I do think the tourney will come down to one of the following teams winning it all: Florida, Arizona, Duke, Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Kansas. Whoever can get hot at the right time.

Virginia was 14 a week or so ago.....how much further down do you think they should be ranked?

Im not necessarily saying they are overrated in the polls, because those don't really matter anyways. They are overrated with all the attention they are getting. Unless they win the ACC tournament, they better not get a 1 or 2 seed.

No one is talking about them....even in the ACC (until this week of course). It's pretty shameful. Who are the 8 teams that are clearly better than them, have had better wins and have been playing better basketball than them? Also, how much of this team have you actually watched? It's bizarre that you say the polls don't matter but yet claim they are overrated. The polls are the rating system we have

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Virginia is overrated. Schedule wasn't nearly as hard as any of the other top teams in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Pitt, Syracuse). I wouldn't be surprised if those 4 are still there in the tourney when Virginia is eliminated. They have a decent team, don't get me wrong, but far from what the standings in the ACC say.

Florida is my best team in the country right now.

I do think the tourney will come down to one of the following teams winning it all: Florida, Arizona, Duke, Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Kansas. Whoever can get hot at the right time.

Virginia was 14 a week or so ago.....how much further down do you think they should be ranked?

Im not necessarily saying they are overrated in the polls, because those don't really matter anyways. They are overrated with all the attention they are getting. Unless they win the ACC tournament, they better not get a 1 or 2 seed.

No one is talking about them....even in the ACC (until this week of course). It's pretty shameful. Who are the 8 teams that are clearly better than them, have had better wins and have been playing better basketball than them? Also, how much of this team have you actually watched? It's bizarre that you say the polls don't matter but yet claim they are overrated. The polls are the rating system we have

Agreed. Of course, me touting them is like the kiss of death. I think they are as good as anyone, though. They play D and can jail-break to a lead as much as anyone I've seen this year.

 

[Timmay]

Virginia is overrated. Schedule wasn't nearly as hard as any of the other top teams in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Pitt, Syracuse). I wouldn't be surprised if those 4 are still there in the tourney when Virginia is eliminated. They have a decent team, don't get me wrong, but far from what the standings in the ACC say.

Florida is my best team in the country right now.

I do think the tourney will come down to one of the following teams winning it all: Florida, Arizona, Duke, Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Kansas. Whoever can get hot at the right time.

Virginia was 14 a week or so ago.....how much further down do you think they should be ranked?

Im not necessarily saying they are overrated in the polls, because those don't really matter anyways. They are overrated with all the attention they are getting. Unless they win the ACC tournament, they better not get a 1 or 2 seed.

No one is talking about them....even in the ACC (until this week of course). It's pretty shameful. Who are the 8 teams that are clearly better than them, have had better wins and have been playing better basketball than them? Also, how much of this team have you actually watched? It's bizarre that you say the polls don't matter but yet claim they are overrated. The polls are the rating system we have

I've watched at least 4 games of theirs. Im also a basketball junkie, so I try to watch as much as possible. Im sure to the average fan, they may have watched the Cuse game and that's it. Everyone is going to be on their nuts this week. I like the way they play, and I think they are a solid team, but overrated.

Top teams: Florida, Wichita State, Kansas, Arizona, Wisconsin, Syracuse, San Diego St, Villanova, Louisville, Cincinnati, Duke, Michigan, Creighton. All these teams could be in the conversation of being better. Not saying they clearly are, but one could argue.

 

[jon_mx]

Probably more than any other year, I am not sure there are any really elite teams. If someone offered to give me 5 to 1 odds and pick any team, I don't think I would take it.

 

[sporthenry]

No one has mentioned UVa as a possibly the best team yet.

B/c they aren't the best team. Funny how one game takes a drastically underrated team and now people want to put them at #1. The answer lies somewhere in between although a top 10/2 seed makes sense. If they get to a 2 seed, I could see a F4 run.

There's no way to pick the "best" team. I think Arizona or Florida is on paper but both can certainly be debated. And the winner of the tournament isn't always the best team either. But UVA is 16-1 in the ACC and has held a 19 point lead or more in 13 of those 17 games. In other words, they aren't just winning but are destroying teams which is the sign of a really good team. You're using two early season games (Green Bay and Tennessee) to discount them just as much as you think others are overrating them based on Syracuse game. You had to have your head in the sand not to realize how good UVA was before Saturday.

Well if you had to pick the best team, UVA probably wouldn't be in most people's top 5. I know UVA is good. I've watched them quite a bit this year, even a few times in person. And where am I using two earlier season games to discount them? I did in the ACC thread when we're talking seeding b/c that is how seeding is done. As far as personally discounting them, they've escaped their games against Clemson, Va. Tech, Pitt and even at home to Maryland.

The team is very good, you can go back in the ACC thread and I've talked about them. But they've also struggled to score at times this year. But I guess my main point is that everyone wouldn't be nearly as excited for UVA if they dropped one of the previously mentioned games. Wouldn't make them any worse of a team, but they had a bit of luck this year, at least after the Duke and VCU games.

 

[Grady Wilson]

Virginia is overrated. Schedule wasn't nearly as hard as any of the other top teams in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Pitt, Syracuse). I wouldn't be surprised if those 4 are still there in the tourney when Virginia is eliminated. They have a decent team, don't get me wrong, but far from what the standings in the ACC say.

Florida is my best team in the country right now.

I do think the tourney will come down to one of the following teams winning it all: Florida, Arizona, Duke, Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Kansas. Whoever can get hot at the right time.

Virginia was 14 a week or so ago.....how much further down do you think they should be ranked?

Im not necessarily saying they are overrated in the polls, because those don't really matter anyways. They are overrated with all the attention they are getting. Unless they win the ACC tournament, they better not get a 1 or 2 seed.

No one is talking about them....even in the ACC (until this week of course). It's pretty shameful. Who are the 8 teams that are clearly better than them, have had better wins and have been playing better basketball than them? Also, how much of this team have you actually watched? It's bizarre that you say the polls don't matter but yet claim they are overrated. The polls are the rating system we have

I've watched at least 4 games of theirs. Im also a basketball junkie, so I try to watch as much as possible. Im sure to the average fan, they may have watched the Cuse game and that's it. Everyone is going to be on their nuts this week. I like the way they play, and I think they are a solid team, but overrated.

Top teams: Florida, Wichita State, Kansas, Arizona, Wisconsin, Syracuse, San Diego St, Villanova, Louisville, Cincinnati, Duke, Michigan, Creighton. All these teams could be in the conversation of being better. Not saying they clearly are, but one could argue.

Agreed. Heck, there isn't even a dominant team in the ACC. Virginia won the conference, but I wouldn't consider them head and shoulders above anyone else. Syracuse and Duke are good, but certainly not great.

 

[jon_mx]

Virginia at 22 to 1 is probably the best bet on the board. Michigan at 28/1 and Wichita State at 12/1 would be my next picks. This year picking the field at 50/1 might be interesting.

Florida 5/1 Kansas 7/1 Michigan State 8/1 Syracuse 10/1 Duke 10/1 Arizona 10/1 Louisville 10/1 Wichita State 12/1 Kentucky 12/1 Creighton 20/1 Virginia 22/1 Villanova 22/1 Wisconsin 25/1 Michigan 28/1 Ohio State 30/1 Saint Louis 35/1 Iowa State 35/1 Iowa 35/1 North Carolina 40/1 UCLA 50/1 Field (Any Other Team) 50/1