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Report: Herm Edwards to KC for mid-round picks (1 Viewer)

You really believe that Martz and Sherman should be given credit for the playoff/SB appearances they had after inheriting Super Bowl teams??

I don't.

I'd say taking a perennial playoff missing team with little talent into the playoffs three of your first five years as HC is significantly more impressive - and indicates a significantly better coach.
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This is very weak analysis. Herm took a team that was a borderline playoff miss under Groh at 9-7 (I think that they got knocked out after blowing a lead in their 16th) game and "turned" them into a 10-6 team that qualified for the playoffs by winning their last game.This is not chess. Random factors, completely outside of the control of any coaching staft, easily account for this type of variability. If anything during his first year, Herm was a much poorer coach than Groh the prior year. You think that Herm was "challenged" in terms in game decision-making in 2004, you should have seen him during his rookie year, he made Mike Tice look like a genius.

 
No matter what anyone says about Herm Edwards... the problems with the Jets lie much deeper than the head coach. The bottom line is... Chiefs will still be better than the Jets next year... and the year after that... and the year... (you get my point) ;)

 
Also, I do not think pointing out playoff appearances is as simple as others do. Okay, the Jets made the playoffs in '02, but as a 9-7 division winner. This season, Vermeil missed out on the playoffs at 10-6 in a difficult division. Yet, if you look at the past four years, it looks like Edwards has been better than Vermeil since he has two playoff appearances to Vermeil's one, but it is not always that simple, as I just pointed out.

 
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I think Herm is a great guy to root for and the second best cheerleader on the Jets, but I'm not heartbroken to see him go. If Buffalo could beat Pittsburgh's third string, if Miami could hold an 11-point lead with 4 minutes to go against the Patriots, and if John Hall didn't kick the longest field goal in the history of NAC, Herm would have been 0/5 for the playoffs.On the flip side, if Pennington stayed healthy in 2003 and 2005, maybe the Jets would have been 5/5 for the playoffs.Herm is a good coach, but he's not a difference maker. Last year the Jets were unique in one respect: they seemingly won every game they were supposed to win, and lost every game they should have lost. Losing four times to 14-2 NE and 15-1 PIT is not embarrassing; the Rams offense was a horrible matchup for the Jets defense; and the Jets with Quincy Carter (and LaMont Jordan) at QB shouldn't win in Baltimore. On the other hand, beating up on Miami, SF, Ari and Cle is to be expected, as is splitting with the Bills.The compensation is for less than I originally expected, but I find it hard to believe the Jets are farther away from winning the Super Bowl today than they were last week.

 
No matter what anyone says about Herm Edwards... the problems with the Jets lie much deeper than the head coach.

The bottom line is...

Chiefs will still be better than the Jets next year... and the year after that... and the year... (you get my point) ;)
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Herm must have really impressed the KC faithful with the Jets performance at Arrowhead this year.
 
You really believe that Martz and Sherman should be given credit for the playoff/SB appearances they had after inheriting Super Bowl teams??

I don't.

I'd say taking a perennial playoff missing team with little talent into the playoffs three of your first five years as HC is significantly more impressive - and indicates a significantly better coach.
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Let's remember that Edwards inherited Mawae, McKenzie, Fabini in his prime, Curtis Martin, L.Coles, Pennington, Ellis, Abraham, Ferguson, and so forth. Edwards did NOT come into a rebuilding situation, and he didn't play it like a rebuilding situation. He and Bradway were ont he same page that there was a championship window of 3-5 years. That window has closed, and it will probably take two years to re-open it.
 
As a Chiefs fan I'm pretty happy with getting Herm Edwards for just a 4th rounder. I know Jets fans are happy to see him go, but I bet they wouldn't have been last year about this time right? I'm giving Herm a pass on this year due to a lot of injuries that really effected his team. If you throw out this year...I know you can't logically do that, but I'm going to....Herm Edwards got his team to the playoffs three out of the first four years of being a Head Coach. To me that is a pretty significant statement.

 
As a Chiefs fan I'm pretty happy with getting Herm Edwards for just a 4th rounder. I know Jets fans are happy to see him go, but I bet they wouldn't have been last year about this time right? I'm giving Herm a pass on this year due to a lot of injuries that really effected his team. If you throw out this year...I know you can't logically do that, but I'm going to....

Herm Edwards got his team to the playoffs three out of the first four years of being a Head Coach. To me that is a pretty significant statement.
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What were your thoughts on him after week 1 this year?
 
Guys if your name isnt Bill Belicheck, then your fans will think your flaws are worse than they are. EVERY SET OF FANS dislikes their coach unless he wins the Super Bowl! The best way to get a take on thsi situation is to ask a fan of some NFC team who has never been a Jets or Chiefs fan.........its a little thing called OBJECTIVITY.So Jets fans can ##### all the want, but that doesnt mean your right about Edwards......but it doesnt make you wrong. Its just fans being fans---this day and age fans will piss and moan about every little thing, especially in major media markets like NYC.Herm Edwards was a FINE assisstant coach here with COwher, Dungy and others...he did VERY well in his first 4 seasons in NY. This past season, he had his QB and RB beset with injuries........what coach wouldnt STRUGGLE?????So, the bottom line is this: ##### and whine and moan all you want Jet fans, but you need to know that the closer you are to the situation the more critical you will be. That seems to be the case here.P.S. For teh record, I would have rather hired Butch Davis, but Edwards was #2 on the list.

 
Guys if your name isnt Bill Belicheck, then your fans will think your flaws are worse than they are.  EVERY SET OF FANS dislikes their coach unless he wins the Super Bowl!  The best way to get a take on thsi situation is to ask a fan of some NFC team who has never been a Jets or Chiefs fan.........its a little thing called OBJECTIVITY.

So Jets fans can ##### all the want, but that doesnt mean your right about Edwards......but it doesnt make you wrong.  Its just fans being fans---this day and age fans will piss and moan about every little thing, especially in major media markets like NYC.

Herm Edwards was a FINE assisstant coach here with COwher, Dungy and others...he did VERY well in his first 4 seasons in NY.  This past season, he had his QB and RB beset with injuries........what coach wouldnt STRUGGLE?????

So, the bottom line is this:  ##### and whine and moan all you want Jet fans, but you need to know that the closer you are to the situation the more critical you will be.  That seems to be the case here.

P.S.  For teh record, I would have rather hired Butch Davis, but Edwards was #2 on the list.
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Maybe it's me....But, I just like to see my head coach considered a "Genius" at SOMETHING.

Wether he ran one of the best Offenses in the NFL for years, one of the best defenses or ran a successful College program.

Herm was supposed to be a good Secondary coach - I haven't seen it.

I have the same complaints on Herm as I did the day he was hired... WHAT IS HE GOOD AT - WHERE CAN HE OUT COACH ANOTHER COACH?

And fine ask other fans - Ask other AFC east fans what they think of Herm...

 
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I know Jets fans are happy to see him go, but I bet they wouldn't have been last year about this time right?
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100% Wrong - Go google and look for some opinions on Herm after the Pittsburgh playoff loss....Personally I wondered why the Jets hired a guy with Zero Head Coaching or even Coordinator experience from Day 1 and I know a lot of Jet fans that agree....

You're off base on this on but, GOOD LUCK!!!!

Herm's a great guy and I kinda like KC.

 
For all you who are playing the game that Jet fans are reacting after THIS year.....

I found an old Herm thread where I see a lot of the same answers from years back

Herm Stinks

 
It may just me, but if a team wants to hire my coach, seems like I should get more than a fourth round pick for him.

 
It may just me, but if a team wants to hire my coach, seems like I should get more than a fourth round pick for him.
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Say you wanted the coach gone anyway. And you didn't think there was a chance in hell that another team would ever hire him as a HC again.- And then lo and behold he's gone AND you get a 4th round pick?Hey, Bradway Bumbled the negotiations and the Jets possibly could have gotten a 3rd but, I can't complain...

I just can't figure out what people see in him when it comes to down and dirty X's and O's of the game.

 
Thanks :thumbup: Hey - I just read a GREAT QUESTION on another board....Does Kansas City have their own "CLOCK GURU" :excited: We may not need ours anymore.

 
Thanks :thumbup:

Hey - I just read a GREAT QUESTION on another board....

Does Kansas City have their own "CLOCK GURU" :excited:

We may not need ours anymore.
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Father time - **** Curl.....don't let the door hit you on the way out!!
 
Thanks :thumbup:

Hey - I just read a GREAT QUESTION on another board....

Does Kansas City have their own "CLOCK GURU" :excited:

We may not need ours anymore.
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Father time - **** Curl.....don't let the door hit you on the way out!!
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**** Curl? Are you serious?That's up there with **** Trickle.

 
Looks like its over -

Kc gets Herm and JEts get a 4th rd pick.

Happy to get something for the Rev but Bradaway got spanked in this negotiation. Hope Woody cleans total house.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9148436
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A 4th is better than nothing. Edwards wasn't going to be coaching the Jets in 06 and KC knew it.now the big question is does Woody fire Bradway too and just start from the ground up with the #4 pick or let Bradway finish out the 2 remaining years on his contract and then the Jets will basically be in the same position they are in now, except looking for a new GM.

 
This Herm bashing is ridiculous. Is he a GREAT coach? NO! Is he an above average coach? HELL YEAH! Hes certainly better than all of the other coaching candidates floating around.
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:goodposting: I'm embarrassed for some of the posters bashing Herm.

 
This Herm bashing is ridiculous. Is he a GREAT coach? NO! Is he an above average coach? HELL YEAH! Hes certainly better than all of the other coaching candidates floating around.
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:goodposting: I'm embarrassed for some of the posters bashing Herm.
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I have a new theory.... If KC feels they are just a few tweaks away from being a serious contender and can keep their systems in place... Then Herm can be a perfect coach here. Most other coaches might want to bring their own people and their own systems and do things their way. Herm has no "Way".... But, Herm may be the perfect shot in the arm, change of pace, motivator for what I see as a pretty good team...I say they must get a guy to manage the clock and make on field decisions.

But, Herm's stories will be new to these guys and they are going to love Herm.....

I wish him luck - The Jets needed to go another way and if you don't win early with Herm or he is given too much responsibiltiy on the field KC fans will "get it".... Just like we learned with Paul Hackett. ; )

Good Luck.

I can see this as the feel-good story of next season - Plus, my Jets will once again be portrayed as shmucks which is par for the course.

 
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I wish him luck - The Jets needed to go another way and if you don't win early with Herm or he is given too much responsibiltiy on the field KC fans will be "get it".... Just like we learned with Paul Hackett. ; )
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:shock: Oh, my eyes!!Dont ever mention that guys name again :D , he WAS here in KC so I know ALL about his offense. If Herm tries to bring him, there may be a fan revolt, or mass suicide :banned:
 
I wish him luck - The Jets needed to go another way and if you don't win early with Herm or he is given too much responsibiltiy on the field KC fans will be "get it".... Just like we learned with Paul Hackett. ; )
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:shock: Oh, my eyes!!

Dont ever mention that guys name again :D , he WAS here in KC so I know ALL about his offense. If Herm tries to bring him, there may be a fan revolt, or mass suicide :banned:
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KC fans would not have any part of Hackett. We would almost happily escort the Chiefs out of town before we let Hackett return.
 
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Herm Edwards was a FINE assisstant coach here with COwher, Dungy and others...he did VERY well in his first 4 seasons in NY.  This past season, he had his QB and RB beset with injuries........what coach wouldnt STRUGGLE?????
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This is just plain wrong. Herm got a complete pass from everyone for the 1st 2.5 years. During that time he made a ton of mistakes but we chalked it up to rookie coaching. Then they continued and we started seeing thru his good-guy routine that he really could not out-coach, gameplan, make game-day decisions, or game-day changes.The herm bashing absolutely did not start this year. He has backed into the plaoffs all 3 years he made them. He has had good talent for every year except this past one. The JETS slow starts under him are legendary.

Bah humbug.

 
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This Herm bashing is ridiculous. Is he a GREAT coach? NO! Is he an above average coach? HELL YEAH! Hes certainly better than all of the other coaching candidates floating around.
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:goodposting: I'm embarrassed for some of the posters bashing Herm.
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I have a new theory.... If KC feels they are just a few tweaks away from being a serious contender and can keep their systems in place... Then Herm can be a perfect coach here. Most other coaches might want to bring their own people and their own systems and do things their way. Herm has no "Way".... But, Herm may be the perfect shot in the arm, change of pace, motivator for what I see as a pretty good team...I say they must get a guy to manage the clock and make on field decisions.

But, Herm's stories will be new to these guys and they are going to love Herm.....

I wish him luck - The Jets needed to go another way and if you don't win early with Herm or he is given too much responsibiltiy on the field KC fans will "get it".... Just like we learned with Paul Hackett. ; )

Good Luck.

I can see this as the feel-good story of next season - Plus, my Jets will once again be portrayed as shmucks which is par for the course.
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Agreed. Herm does not need to do much in KC as they already have a great offense. No game-planning or game-day decisions on him.KC will really see what they have once their OC leaves. I will enjoy that day.

 
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