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Report: JaMarcus Russell to be cut (1 Viewer)
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He's on vacation. The Raiders staff held a fake draft last weekend. Al thinks he drafted Tebow in the first and a kicker in the second to back up Janikowski.And still no signs of Al Davis....S.K.A. said:
chook
Footballguy
Hahahaha!He's on vacation. The Raiders staff held a fake draft last weekend. Al thinks he drafted Tebow in the first and a kicker in the second to back up Janikowski.And still no signs of Al Davis....S.K.A. said:
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
It seemed like every year right before traininig camp, you'd hear a story that he was ~300 pounds and out of shape; then he'd show up to camp looking just like he did in college. I'm not saying he is a gym rat or anything, but the media always seemed to make him out to be Grimmace in the offseason.As far as the attitude; yeah he made some stupid comments about not being the cause of the Raiders problems, but I never read anything that indicated he was a bad teamate or person. There are a lot of players out there that aren't Peyton Manning when it comes to lockeroom and on the field leadership.Raider Nation said:
You could not be further from reality with this. JR has been at/above or a biscuit away from 290-300 almost every game he's ever played in Oakland. I sit front row in the BlackHole (they do their pre-game warmups and introductions on this side of the field). The guy is FAT, period. He is not in shape (he spends more time and shows more focus fumbling with his IPOD then stretching/working out in pre-game), makes it very apparent he doesn't care about what is going on around him and none of his teammates showed any inkling of giving a #### about him most of last year (other then the receivers that hope he'll throw him the ball). JR not only made stupid comments about not being the cause of the Raiders problems, but that he believes it is everyone else around him that is causing him to fail. The guy has no pride or passion for the profession (I can't call it HIS profession, because he is far from professional). JR =
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D'OHtis
Footballguy
Like what the Raiders did. [Most of all getting rid of the cancer -- or soon to be getting rid of]. I don't expect that ######## to get another shot in the league. The guy reminds of guys that were great athletes in high school, heavily recruited, went to college & played ball....didn't excel, quit.....and became unemployed bums , now ride around town in their 5 year old Escalade that a college booster bought for them. Only difference is Jamarcus made it a step farther and made some cash.
I bump up all Oakland offensive players with Campbell. Big time upgrade from what they had. They may resemble an NFL offense over the course of an entire season with him. I think he's got some nice pieces to throw down the field to -- Z.Miller, L.Murphy, Bey [i think he can be a downfield threat, if not much else]. I think Oakland's also a landing spot for TO. I can see Oakland going 8-8 this season. They're most definitely better than Denver & KC.
I bump up all Oakland offensive players with Campbell. Big time upgrade from what they had. They may resemble an NFL offense over the course of an entire season with him. I think he's got some nice pieces to throw down the field to -- Z.Miller, L.Murphy, Bey [i think he can be a downfield threat, if not much else]. I think Oakland's also a landing spot for TO. I can see Oakland going 8-8 this season. They're most definitely better than Denver & KC.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
You could not be further from reality with this. JR has been at/above or a biscuit away from 290-300 almost every game he's ever played in Oakland. I sit front row in the BlackHole (they do their pre-game warmups and introductions on this side of the field). The guy is FAT, period. He is not in shape (he spends more time and shows more focus fumbling with his IPOD then stretching/working out in pre-game), makes it very apparent he doesn't care about what is going on around him and none of his teammates showed any inkling of giving a #### about him most of last year (other then the receivers that hope he'll throw him the ball). JR not only made stupid comments about not being the cause of the Raiders problems, but that he believes it is everyone else around him that is causing him to fail. The guy has no pride or passion for the profession (I can't call it HIS profession, because he is far from professional). JR =
I think that goes to the core of the argument that JR is a bad teammate. His lethargy for improving and understanding the game rubbed off the wrong way on the professionals on both sides of the ball. He became a cancer to the team. The most prevalent attitude he brought to a post game was a coy smile as he drove off in a fancy car and fur coat. He showed that he didn't give a #### about winning, and it rubbed his teammates and fans the wrong way. I will be very happy the day he is officially let go.
Gopher State
Footballguy
JaMarcus is so fat when he steps on the scale it says, "No live stock please."
ChargersOH
Footballguy
The sad thing is the guy has the tools to be a decent QB. At least I thought he did from watching him play at LSU.
I didn't think he'd be the next Jim Druckenmiller.
I didn't think he'd be the next Jim Druckenmiller.
TheOriginalDoubledown
Footballguy
Should this suprise anyone? When they showed his family on draft day it looked like a first episode of the biggest loser. I think he was the runt of the litter.
Russell is the bigger bust over Ryan Leaf.
Number one overall in draft.
Held out for monster contract.
Has not played jack.
Money amount alone makes him the biggest bust in NFL history.
Hell...if you read the story where the coach sent him a DVD of the next opponent and asked Jamarcus what he thought about it...and he commented. The DVD ended up being blank on purpose.
Number one overall in draft.
Held out for monster contract.
Has not played jack.
Money amount alone makes him the biggest bust in NFL history.
Hell...if you read the story where the coach sent him a DVD of the next opponent and asked Jamarcus what he thought about it...and he commented. The DVD ended up being blank on purpose.
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silentmark
Footballguy
... TD's or INT's, what's the difference as long as the check clears ...Adios you fat #### ...You could not be further from reality with this. JR has been at/above or a biscuit away from 290-300 almost every game he's ever played in Oakland. I sit front row in the BlackHole (they do their pre-game warmups and introductions on this side of the field). The guy is FAT, period. He is not in shape (he spends more time and shows more focus fumbling with his IPOD then stretching/working out in pre-game), makes it very apparent he doesn't care about what is going on around him and none of his teammates showed any inkling of giving a #### about him most of last year (other then the receivers that hope he'll throw him the ball). JR not only made stupid comments about not being the cause of the Raiders problems, but that he believes it is everyone else around him that is causing him to fail. The guy has no pride or passion for the profession (I can't call it HIS profession, because he is far from professional). JR =
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I'm going to miss watching Jamarcus. His throws were all breathtaking. 33% breathtaking in a good way. 67% breathtaking in a bad way. Very entertaining nonetheless.
MarshallRob
Footballguy
Since Ryan was getting into it with reporters and fans couldn't we surmise that he was just cracking under the pressure? And therefore he must have cared at least a little about his performance but just didn't have what it took to succeed? Unlike (apparently) Russell who comes across like someone who doesn't care at all.Maurile Tremblay said:
Mr. Chumley
Footballguy
RudiStein said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
g5jamz said:
Anyone have a link for this?It's a great story, but a Google search turns up a zillion message board posts -- nothing in a professionally edited newspaper or magazine that I can find.g5jamz said:
massraider
Footballguy
It's basically a variation on the Randall Cunningham film story. Which means it's made up.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
The Great Gatsby? Uh, he was great!
With a few changes, it's also a variation on a true story told by Richard Feynman regarding the committee he sat on to select math textbooks for public schools.The members of the committee were supposed to read all the submitted books and make recommendations. One of the books had just a cover with all blank pages in between.Feynman was the only one on the committee who noticed. The others had given it grades in various categories just like they had graded the rest of the books. Which means they probably didn't read the other ones, either.(It wasn't blank to fool anyone on purpose. The publisher was late with the content, and sent just the cover initially -- to be followed by the content when it was ready. Somebody forgot to tell the committee.)
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the rover
Footballguy
No he isn't.
Todem
Footballguy
He is gone...no way they give this lard ### another penny.
NickyHatton
Footballguy
anyone know the exact amount of money he has been paid by the raiders up to this point?
massraider
Footballguy
36 mill.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And they call JMR the dumb one.36 mill.
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It's kinda like the Make-a-Wish foundation except he is not dying...36 mill.
GregR_2
Footballguy
My first thought on reading this: "Yes, because people are so complimentary about Al Davis' mental faculties."And they call JMR the dumb one.36 mill.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Surely, You're joking! Anyways, yeah I've heard the Randall version here in Philly of course, but it was with actual game film and a piece of paper. The paper was still in the reel when he returned it from 'watching it'.funny stuff.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
This is very unfair and bad posting. Think back to 2007....at the time, Jamarcus Russel had in the word's of Mayock, "The best pro day I've ever seen". All the analysts said he was consensus #1 pick. There were a few how argued that it should be Calvin Johnson. Nobody had him rated any lower than 2.My first thought on reading this: "Yes, because people are so complimentary about Al Davis' mental faculties."And they call JMR the dumb one.36 mill.
Please tell me again about Mr Davis faculties...
Hindsight is always 20/20.
GregR_2
Footballguy
An ESPN article put in context how much Jamarcus Russell will have been paid per his production, assuming he's cut and receives the final guaranteed $3m he's owed. He'll have made:
$5.6 million per win
$2.2 million per touchdown.
$110,000 per pass completion.
For grins and to put that in context, I went to see how much Peyton would have made in his career if paid the same rate for any of those performance measures. If he had been, Peyton would have made off his regular season performance:
$655 million if paid for wins.
$805 million if paid for TD passes.
$465 million if paid for pass completions.
$5.6 million per win
$2.2 million per touchdown.
$110,000 per pass completion.
For grins and to put that in context, I went to see how much Peyton would have made in his career if paid the same rate for any of those performance measures. If he had been, Peyton would have made off his regular season performance:
$655 million if paid for wins.
$805 million if paid for TD passes.
$465 million if paid for pass completions.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
This.This is very unfair and bad posting. Think back to 2007....at the time, Jamarcus Russel had in the word's of Mayock, "The best pro day I've ever seen". All the analysts said he was consensus #1 pick. There were a few how argued that it should be Calvin Johnson. Nobody had him rated any lower than 2.My first thought on reading this: "Yes, because people are so complimentary about Al Davis' mental faculties."And they call JMR the dumb one.36 mill.
Please tell me again about Mr Davis faculties...
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Wow, I didn't realize how much JaMarcus sucked until now.GregR said:
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
No, he's not joking. And don't call him Shirley.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
A guy on Sporting News radio last night floated the idea that when you consider his draft position, salary, number of coaches who have lost their jobs, and detriment to a substantial and loyal fanbase, no player IN ALL OF SPORTS has been a bigger bust than Jamarcus.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Ha, now ESPN is saying that he isn't going to get cut and will be at mini-camp.
Edit: I should say Adam Schefter is reporting that rather than all of ESPN.
Edit: I should say Adam Schefter is reporting that rather than all of ESPN.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
The only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that Jamarcus is going for his $40th million. He walks away now and he ends up with $39M. I bet he already blew through his first $36M. Not a bad deal to be a POS on the bench for a cool million. Gawd, I hate to have that sack of #### hanging around the sidelines. He reminds the whole world what a screwed up organization the Raiders are. Why is Al Davis even offering a pay cut? He's dead on the open market. Any money thrown at Jamarcus is like giving money to a bum on the corner holding an "out of work, need beer money" sign holder. that POS is not worth the cost of the paper to process his release.
I am hoping that Al comes full circle and gets rid of the cancer, or insist that he gain some weight and play for the practice squad as the opposing nose tackle.
CalBear
Footballguy
Russell can't compare to Ryan Leaf. Leaf:4-17 as a starter48.4% completions14 TD, 36 INTFired from coaching job (drug-related)Felony conviction, 10 years probationRussell:7-18 as a starter 52.1% completions18 TD, 23 INTLazy and eats too much
I'm pretty sure they were only talking about on-field performance and who cares about 3 more measly wins? Russell is just as bad as Leaf ever was... and probably lazier with less intensity. You never saw Russell attack a reporter verbally.. not sure he really cares that much...
Polar Dude
Footballguy
Look at the criteria he mentioned. Jamarcus had a higher draft slot, demanded a higher salary, and was a larger detriment to a broader fanbase.Leaf only started games for the Chargers in '98 and '00. Two short years later they are starting Brees and are on the way to recovery. We have no idea how long it may take for the Raiders to recover from Russell, but it hasn't looked good so far.Besides, other than INTs, those numbers you posted don't look all that different.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, Leaf screamed at that reporter because he cares about football. Sure.This is a silly thing to argue about, btw. The fact that Russell is in the running is bad enough for me.
BaBastage
Footballguy
A lot. Seriously, in 10 years if he keeps a low profile, his name won't be mentioned except in extremely small "wall of shame who's the worst bust of all time?" circles.And he'll be laughing his retired butt off.Give me 30MM and I'm willing to take a fair amount of flak from people I don't even know, who probably wouldn't recognize me on the street in a couple of years. That sort of dough can buy a guy a lot of therapy
massraider
Footballguy
That's true. For 30 mill, I'd let you all make fun of me. Probably wouldn't bother me much.A lot. Seriously, in 10 years if he keeps a low profile, his name won't be mentioned except in extremely small "wall of shame who's the worst bust of all time?" circles.And he'll be laughing his retired butt off.Give me 30MM and I'm willing to take a fair amount of flak from people I don't even know, who probably wouldn't recognize me on the street in a couple of years. That sort of dough can buy a guy a lot of therapy
CalBear
Footballguy
I just found out that Akili Smith now has a respectable job as an assistant at Cal. (Tedford coached him at Oregon). Ignominy blows over; heck, Richard Nixon, a puny, unethical, felonious lizard somehow became a respected elder stateseman by the time he died.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
True, but does anyone want to bet the over/under on how much that 30MM becomes 10 years from now?A lot. Seriously, in 10 years if he keeps a low profile, his name won't be mentioned except in extremely small "wall of shame who's the worst bust of all time?" circles.And he'll be laughing his retired butt off.Give me 30MM and I'm willing to take a fair amount of flak from people I don't even know, who probably wouldn't recognize me on the street in a couple of years. That sort of dough can buy a guy a lot of therapy
BaBastage
Footballguy
Now THAT's a bet I won't go against, it also wouldn't surprise me if he's blown it already.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Jamarcus Russell actually looked good in minicamp today. So did DHB. Jason Campbell looked bad. Louis Murphy twisted his ankle today. Schillens wearing a baseball cap is out. Seymour is out awaiting to sign his franchise tag.
