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I honestly don't think the NFL has a clue what they are doing regarding fines and penalties. They are flying by the seat of their pants. As a fan of defense first it makes me sad watching football now days.
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Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
The more I think of it the more it makes me angry that one egotistical jack ### comes in and changes a game that has 50 years of establishment. Judge jury and executioner. It wouldn't be so bad if there was any type of consistant standard in place. We as fans just have to sit back and let some hypocritical clown destroy our favorite game. How much money is the NFL profiting on these fines? Where is this money going and who is in charge of it?
footballnerd
Footballguy
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Actually his senior year, he had more than a few personal foul/unneccessary roughness penalties called on him. Most of which were borderline and highly questionable, imo.I don't think he's a dirty player. I think the issue is that he's such a big, powerful, fast and athletic freak and when you combine that with the fact that he has a non-stop motor, he's going put himself in a lot of close and borderline situations where personal fouls can be called.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Could be related to it being his second offense of the year. Regardless, it is insane that 1 person serves as the dictator of professional football. Shouldn't their be some sort of committee made up of former refs, players, coaches and management who clearly establish what will be fined and how much the fines are?
Come on now, this makes too much sense. Why would someone who has total control relinquish even a little bit of that? Goodell is on a power trip and no one is going to stop him. Is there any way to remove a current NFL Commissioner without him stepping down on his own accord?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
It's actually getting embarrasing for the NFL. A fine on a play that shouldn't even have been called? Wow, that is bad.
Lived in Detroit my entire life, 40 years now. We've waited forever and a day to have a defensive guy like this and you're going to call penalties and fines on crap like pushing the QB down when he's not even sliding???? You have got to be kidding me.
Suh, please please please don't think twice about your style of play. We need you to wreak havoc on Qb's for years to come and we also need some of your meaness to rub off on young players that will be coming into the D over the next several years.
I hope he drills some of those Packers next week. Be aware Rodgers, be very aware.
Lived in Detroit my entire life, 40 years now. We've waited forever and a day to have a defensive guy like this and you're going to call penalties and fines on crap like pushing the QB down when he's not even sliding???? You have got to be kidding me.
Suh, please please please don't think twice about your style of play. We need you to wreak havoc on Qb's for years to come and we also need some of your meaness to rub off on young players that will be coming into the D over the next several years.
I hope he drills some of those Packers next week. Be aware Rodgers, be very aware.
Sebowski
Footballguy
blend said:
This is what nobody is talking about, including Suh, and I wish they would. Freeze the play right before the push and look at Suh's options: Pull out the text book and drive his shoulder pads through Culter's lower back absolutely crushing him, or jump on Cutler's back wrapping up his arm's making him land straight on his face with Suh on his back. Both legal. Suh let him off easy.
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Yes his legacy will be as the man who killed the NFL
billymays
Footballguy
Real time i get it. Fast play, lots of bodies in the way, QB protecting league, some gray area on the rule.....whatever.
Fine? umm?
Christ! Is this even a penalty in two hand touch?
Some of these guys(Harrison, Suh) just have a lot of power. If Champ Bailey hit him the exact same way it wouldnt have looked so rough/violent and not been called or fined.
Dont like how Hochuli said some BS about how it was a "non-football act" and how the runner was "in the process of going down." whatever dude. guy is starting to wear on me as a ref....just a shade better than that toad Triplette.
Fine? umm?
Christ! Is this even a penalty in two hand touch?
Some of these guys(Harrison, Suh) just have a lot of power. If Champ Bailey hit him the exact same way it wouldnt have looked so rough/violent and not been called or fined.
Dont like how Hochuli said some BS about how it was a "non-football act" and how the runner was "in the process of going down." whatever dude. guy is starting to wear on me as a ref....just a shade better than that toad Triplette.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yeah, what a terrible excuse that was. Pretty much every play in the NFL involves a player getting hit while he's "in the process of going down".
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right and my boss at work loves to talk about his administrative assistance team which is made up of members from every department and yet in 5 years, I have never met anyone actually on that team.
delusional
Footballguy
it embarrassing that goodell told his refs to throw a flag even if the refs are unsure, just to side with player safety ( after the collie hit with the eagles )
Choke
Footballguy
Oh, btw... this is exactly what some of us over in the Steeler contingent (incl the players/coaches themselves) have been expressing...
This is a penalty and a fine for "HITTING TOO HARD".
There shouldnt have been a penalty at all. (People excuse it as - refs made mistake)
Then there is a fine and now all these people sit dumbfounded. Derpa derps.
What he did was neither illegal or finable... and yet he got a flag and fined.
This is a penalty and a fine for "HITTING TOO HARD".
There shouldnt have been a penalty at all. (People excuse it as - refs made mistake)
Then there is a fine and now all these people sit dumbfounded. Derpa derps.
What he did was neither illegal or finable... and yet he got a flag and fined.
The Captain
Footballguy
Goodell = Bettman
Watch as Goodell destroys the NFL the same way Bettman destroyed the NHL.
Watch as Goodell destroys the NFL the same way Bettman destroyed the NHL.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Didn't they review this before handing out a fine 
I'm not so sure Goodell will see through his ignorance and reverse it. He already had that opportunity. 
I'm not so sure Goodell will see through his ignorance and reverse it. He already had that opportunity. 
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
complete horse ####. Unreal. This league is getting dumber by the second
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
Rule 12, Section 2, Article 1
All players are prohibited from...
©striking, swinging, or clubbing to the head, neck, or face with the heel, back, or side
of the hand, wrist, arm, elbow, or clasped hands.
Seems like a fairminded treatment from Rich Mckay here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cb...d-hit-on-cutler
All players are prohibited from...
©striking, swinging, or clubbing to the head, neck, or face with the heel, back, or side
of the hand, wrist, arm, elbow, or clasped hands.
Seems like a fairminded treatment from Rich Mckay here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cb...d-hit-on-cutler
Chest Rockwell
Footballguy
Strike, swing, or club, huh? Rule 12, Section 2, Article 1 does not include push or shove.Head, neck, or face, huh? Rule 12, Section 2, Article 1 does not include shoulder and/or back either.
Rule 12, Section 2, Article 1 is not applicable to this particular play.
Try again.
I'm sorry but your post is stunning in its idiocy...the NFL fined suh cause he is black and cutler is white? I've heard it all now.
treat88
Footballguy
+1.The worst to date in a litany of stupidity.
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
All players are prohibited from...
©striking, swinging, or clubbing to the head, neck, or face with the heel, back, or side
of the hand, wrist, arm, elbow, or clasped hands.
Suh doesn't even need to hit anything for the act to be prohibited.
©striking, swinging, or clubbing to the head, neck, or face with the heel, back, or side
of the hand, wrist, arm, elbow, or clasped hands.
Suh doesn't even need to hit anything for the act to be prohibited.
FootballGuy22
Footballguy
watching the replay again you can see Cutler just got up motioning that he has down when the ball came out, he didn't even think it was an illegal hit or he would have been calling for a flag. He was more worried about the fumble. Worst fine of the year.
Choke
Footballguy
Laughable. Ever watched the trenches? Every watched a "jam"? These things are legal on every play.Check this out....
Section 2 Personal Fouls
Article 1
Note: It also is illegal for an opponent to club the passer’s arm.
Wait. Wat?
Al Czervik
Not wearing pants
Good to hear. Hope Suh wins the appeal.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth
NFL rule 12, Article 3, Section 1(a) defines unsportsmanlike conduct, among other things, as: "Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent even though no contact is made."
NFL rule 12, Article 3, Section 1(a) defines unsportsmanlike conduct, among other things, as: "Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent even though no contact is made."
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Talk radio in Detroit yesterday was all over Schwartz for caving into the League and not standing up for his guy when asked for comment on Wednesday.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Second time a wrong call was made on Suh in big plays in the Red Zone that kept drives alive. Called for a horse collar on MBIII when Suh grabbed all hair.
footballnerd
Footballguy
BespokeJort
Footballguy
that is the stupidest crap I've ever heard. so because his elbow was bent in the process of the shove it's a 'missed forearm shiver?' I suppose Suh was supposed to just run at him with his arms straight out like a mummy from a bad movie? I don't know if that writer is typically a nonmoron but he whiffed badly on that take. As was pointed out before, a standard form tackle from that position would have had a much higher chance of injuring Cutler.Between all this wussification horsepuckey and the possibility of a lockout I may just forget the NFL ever existed...the very notion of which was inconceivable a couple years ago.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Can you imagine a quarterback appealing to a ref for a penalty under that rule after a hit? "He didn't cradle me with his arms!!"
the option to breast feed or bottle feed is left to the players discretion
Well that rule doesn't apply here anyways, Cutler was a runner.
Billy Costigan Jr
Footballguy
Forget about just % white/black to the whole league...you need to get even more specific.- Take out all the punters/kickers...most if not all are white and never get fined.- Take out all the quarterbacks...most are white they never get fined.- Heck you could take out all offensive players as I bet most fines are to defensive players...I don't think this is a racial thing...but you never know.What would convince me is if there was a breakdown on maybe just say the 11 defensive players with the most starts on each team (352) players...what's the breakdown on white black there...then compare that to the ratio of fines to white/black defensive players.
I don't think race has anything to do with it.I would imagine it's simply a running QB putting himself in harm's way versus a QB being a sitting duck.It may happen someday but, if defenders were fined very often in order to protect Vick that would just make it that much harder for defenders to wrestle him down. If Vick is running downfield versus just about any defender, "my money's on Vick" to get past him in some fashion. I'm not saying make the game harder for Vick but simply leave it alone. There are plenty of rules to protect the QB and Vick is afforded all of those if he stays in the pocket so he does get some coddling like the others.Steve Young used to take some huge hits and concussions were a concern when his career was winding down. I have to believe that at some point someone within the 49ers discussed with him how he could stay in the pocket more, how he could avoid big hits and... some guys feed off of the adrenaline created by pushing the limits and making a play just before getting hit. Their very nature is about pushing the limits and doing all they can do. Whether it's Young or Vick they are going to take every inch the NFL and the defenders give them and I believe somehow, someway, there will always be an injury risk. I mean if you put assistant coaches holding up blocking pads in front of Vick, he'd probably make this big athletic leap and throw over them and some defender would nail him as he rose above. Randall Cunningham is an awesome example of a player changing his play if he wants to be protected by the rules. He was even more reckless than Vick when he was with the Eagles. Pick an awesome defender from the 80s and he probably went at him one on one at some point. With the Vikes though, he sat in the pocket and thru his sweet rainbows.
road warrior
Footballguy
The only color the NFL cares about is green.
We have a pretty good idea of what Suh's mental state was... he could have landed a forearm but he didn't. If I were a lawyer i'd say that's pretty compelling exculpatory evidence. How do we know Suh didn't intend to hurt Cutler? Because he very easily could have and he chose not to. Apparently that isn't sufficient.This line of argument establishes a thought crime- Suh (might have) considered using a forearm, regardless that he did not in fact use it.
I'm less concerned about the woosification of the NFL than I am about the capricious, arbitrariness of what we have now. If you want stricter rules, FINE, but enforce them fairly. The message here is clear- NFL QBs are valuable commodities to the League, and the League wants its defensive players to think long and hard about how they handle them, regardless of the legality of the play. Handle QBs with kid gloves or you will pay for it, regardless what the rules or historical precedent says.
The flip side is the NFL isn't particularly concerned about the health and welfare of a 180 pound DB out there thinking about how to avoid a fine when Big Ben drops the boom on him or Michael Vick makes him look stupid in his contract year.
Al Czervik
Not wearing pants
Yep. Can't say those called cost the game as there were other factors. But they were sure difference makers in the score and the momentum of the game.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yup, that one should have been called a facemask.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Really? I was going to question if you ate a lot of lead paint as a child, but then I saw you were a Bronco fan. My condolences.BusterTBronco said:
theplayer11
Footballguy
laughable fine...The guy pushed a runner down..and was fined?...I just saw the play again, would the league(and Cutler) been happier if he wrapped him up and tackled him landing on top of him? He would have crushed him....this might be the worst fine ever.
