Report: Titans to choose Young over Fisher? (1 Viewer)

[gpthatsme]

I can see that argument LD, but ever consider that's the case because VY is the only thing that's remotely close to a starting caliber QB the Titans have had since Steve McNair? Kerry Collins hasn't been a solid QB since his days in New York and at that point he was strictly "solid." I think he's been a below average talent as a Titan. I may be wrong, but based on the caliber of talent on this team along the o-line and d-line, I think you put McNabb, Cutler, Eli Manning, Flacco, Ryan, or any of the young talents around VY's age range in Tennessee and they have a better record.

Isn't this basically the point of keeping VY? It is so much more difficult to find a QB who can win than a good coach. Even if VY isn't ideal and has issues, leveraging a known commodity with a good winning % and some upside is a much easier route to success than the draft or free agency.Definitely think keeping Young over Fisher is the move.

Not even close to the right move. VY is a hot head who feels entitled. Entitled to what I am still trying to figure out. Like someone mentioned above, if he thinks that the team got rid of Fisher in order to please him, then his entitlement issues will be even worse, which is hard to imagine. If I had to choose, I would definitely keep Fisher over VY. If I had to make the decision altogether, I would fire them both. I know that Fisher would be unemployed for like 60-seconds, but I think this town needs something fresh. We have never known the team without Fisher. Let's try something else. The man has been great for the franchise and for Nashville, but let's move on.

 

[fatness]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded.

Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

 

[Bri]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

 

[guderian]

hey go ahead and hitch your wagon to a guy who's so immature he threw his shoulder pads into the stands, got into a fight in a college bar, and had some sort of missing-person/suicide thing going on a few years ago.you definitely want to make that guy your franchise

And VY might be a little more "mature" if Fisher didn't keep treating him like a Yo-Yo in and out of the lineup as Fisher feels like it

People forget that the whole Young-Fisher situation started with Fisher NOT wanting to draft Young. Now, several years later, Fisher's still acting like he doesn't want Young--benching him yet sticking with Collins. I'd view it differently if Fisher had embraced Young from the beginning, but it all traces back to his stance at the '06 draft.As far as Fisher, he's an average coach. In 16 years he's made the playoffs 6 times and won the conference once. In a 16 team conference 6 teams will make the playoffs and one will win the conference in any given year.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Oh no, what will the Titans do without a coach that's led them to a .500 record and 2 playoff appearances in the last 6+ years?

...and came within one yard of defeating the "greatest show on turf" in the Super Bowl. Sure would be great if, within the "last 6+" years, all 32 teams had winning records and a handful of championships each, right? Jeff Fisher is not the problem in Tennessee, no matter what stats you throw out there.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Oh no, what will the Titans do without a coach that's led them to a .500 record and 2 playoff appearances in the last 6+ years?

...and came within one yard of defeating the "greatest show on turf" in the Super Bowl

That would have tied the game, not won it. If you a fan of the team, how do you not know that? As for the game, shut out by the hapless Texans defense?

 

[GoFishTN]

Oh no, what will the Titans do without a coach that's led them to a .500 record and 2 playoff appearances in the last 6+ years?

...and came within one yard of defeating the "greatest show on turf" in the Super Bowl. Sure would be great if, within the "last 6+" years, all 32 teams had winning records and a handful of championships each, right? Jeff Fisher is not the problem in Tennessee, no matter what stats you throw out there.

Winning the MNC only bought Fulmer a decade. How much longer does Fisher get for coming in second?

 

[fatness]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

Teams have scored when led by other 3rd string QB's.

 

[utche96]

I think the issue is that Fisher is a ginormous uber-deuche that truly believes that he is an elite coach. Delusional arrogance is a helluva drug.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

hey go ahead and hitch your wagon to a guy who's so immature he threw his shoulder pads into the stands, got into a fight in a college bar, and had some sort of missing-person/suicide thing going on a few years ago.you definitely want to make that guy your franchise

And VY might be a little more "mature" if Fisher didn't keep treating him like a Yo-Yo in and out of the lineup as Fisher feels like it

People forget that the whole Young-Fisher situation started with Fisher NOT wanting to draft Young. Now, several years later, Fisher's still acting like he doesn't want Young--benching him yet sticking with Collins. I'd view it differently if Fisher had embraced Young from the beginning, but it all traces back to his stance at the '06 draft.As far as Fisher, he's an average coach. In 16 years he's made the playoffs 6 times and won the conference once. In a 16 team conference 6 teams will make the playoffs and one will win the conference in any given year.

He's made the playoffs 6 times in 16 years with a miserly, small market team with a questionable personnel department, in a division with Peyton Manning and in what has been pretty universally regarded as the strongest conference in the league during that time, meaning that the wild card spots you're playing for (given Indy's mortal lock on the division titles) are hard to come by. That's not bad as it turns out, especially with a Super Bowl appearance. And boo freaking hoo about a precious QB getting pulled. Poor baby. Vince Young's about the most emotionally fragile "star" QB drafted since Ryan Leaf.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

A little perspective:First of all, how did VY disrupt the team "all week"?Next, the Titans didn't just lose, they got SHUT OUT by the #31 defense in the NFL coming into the game, one that had given up 24+ points in 11 straight games.CJ...7 carries for 5 yards.His previous low was 11/9/09, with KC at the helm : 14 carries, 8 yards vs the Bears. So this is all because VY disrupted the team all week?

 

[sho nuff]

I think the issue is that Fisher is a ginormous uber-deuche that truly believes that he is an elite coach. Delusional arrogance is a helluva drug.

Where do you get that he is some arrogant coach who thinks he is all that elite?Because he did not think Young could go back in the game and disagrees with VY's approach to the game right now? Really?

 

[Football Critic]

Any coach that would think Rusty Smith is an NFL player, I dont want him as coach of my team.

Absolutly pathetic, Rusty Smith, seriously? I wouldnt let his sorry play be responsible for a pop warner team...at his current age. He is a horrible player, how did he even get drafted?

Fisher should be fired for letting him play the whole game.

after this week I think Fisher is a shmuck!

 

[Bri]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

Teams have scored when led by other 3rd string QB's.

Sure they have and that performance was terrible.

 

[Bri]

Any coach that would think Rusty Smith is an NFL player, I dont want him as coach of my team.Absolutly pathetic, Rusty Smith, seriously? I wouldnt let his sorry play be responsible for a pop warner team...at his current age. He is a horrible player, how did he even get drafted?Fisher should be fired for letting him play the whole game.after this week I think Fisher is a shmuck!

Wasn't supposed to play this year but be the normal developmental 3rd stringer. It was he or Chris Simms in camp. Fisher didn't draft Smith.

 

[Bri]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

A little perspective:First of all, how did VY disrupt the team "all week"?Next, the Titans didn't just lose, they got SHUT OUT by the #31 defense in the NFL coming into the game, one that had given up 24+ points in 11 straight games.CJ...7 carries for 5 yards.His previous low was 11/9/09, with KC at the helm : 14 carries, 8 yards vs the Bears. So this is all because VY disrupted the team all week?

Seems like you answered your first Q with your last Q.Were we ever comparing whether Rusty was better than Vince?The team played terrible. IMO VY doesn't get to create this whirlwind of BS last week and then take credit for the result as if they'd have done oh so much better with him. Neither Fisher nor any other NFL coach is capable of giving Rusty Smith years of experience and practice time because VY throws a tantrum. Neither Fisher nor any other coach could have healed Kerry Collins.It'll probably be a more normal week this week and then Kerry is likely to play the next game. Then we can compare some.It doesn't further discussion and I get that, but if Young was as good as Peyton I still would be glad that Rusty played and Fisher didn't tolerate that tantrum that resembled a 2 year old's. (Yes I am assuming this finger injury doesn't put him on IR) People need to remember Vince was an enormous college star. He got his chance as a rook and won 7 of the 8 final games winning many close ones in an exciting fashion. At that point, just after that season, Vince had as bright a future TO FANS as just about any rookie in NFL history. He made the pro bowl in roughly half a season's worth of starts. Winning 7 of 8 is dominant. This whole thread and much of the talk is about Fisher vs Young because Fisher makes an actual scapegoat. Once you try explaining what happened since the end of his rookie year, why the fans in Tennessee don't adore Vince anymore, then you will realize who the prob is or was.

 

[Bri]

BTW My buddy says Young and Mack Brown are supposed to get together this week. Texted each other all week last week and couldn't meet up til this week.

 

[Traders2001]

I can see that argument LD, but ever consider that's the case because VY is the only thing that's remotely close to a starting caliber QB the Titans have had since Steve McNair? Kerry Collins hasn't been a solid QB since his days in New York and at that point he was strictly "solid." I think he's been a below average talent as a Titan. I may be wrong, but based on the caliber of talent on this team along the o-line and d-line, I think you put McNabb, Cutler, Eli Manning, Flacco, Ryan, or any of the young talents around VY's age range in Tennessee and they have a better record.

Better than a winning percentage of .666? I beg to differ. Especially when you're slated to face the Colts twice a year over that time. Is he the best QB out there, will he ever live up the billing of being the #3 pick in a draft? No to both, doesn't mean he isn't a winner.

Close your eyes for a moment and imagine any of those qbs leading this team. Any of them.Do you see a better team? I do.

I dont . He actually did very well playing for a coach who doesn t back him up at all ....Imagine how good he would be if he only had a coach who can backs him up and work with him , instead of with a coach who is just waiting for a mistake to bench him .Bye bye Fisher ..

 

[Scotch Rocks]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

Tomlin and Batch say hi.

 

[munchkin]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

Tomlin and Batch say hi.

Charlie Batch had starting experience with Detroit.

 

[LittlePhatty]

As for the game, shut out by the hapless Texans defense?

3/4 of the NFL has been a revolving door of good week/bad week this season. The proof: "division-leading" Jaguars.But you missed my whole point, which is that Jeff Fisher is not the reason for our lack of post-season success. We haven't had a true post-season type QB in a very long time.

 

[Abraham]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

Teams have scored when led by other 3rd string QB's.

Have they scored with their "star" receiver dropping balls, their stud running back running at half speed, and their new prize acquisition lolligagging it in the endzone?I actually hope they fire Fisher so the Cowboys or Texans can hire him and I can go cheer for another team. I've been an Oilers/Titans guy since birth and I'm fed up with the whole organization. First the VY stuff, now Finnegan acting like an idiot (and getting what was coming to him). It is harder and harder to cheer for these nuckleheads, particularly when none of them seems to care that they are getting the crap kicked out of them in a divisional game.

 

[todisco1]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

Teams have scored when led by other 3rd string QB's.

Have they scored with their "star" receiver dropping balls, their stud running back running at half speed, and their new prize acquisition lolligagging it in the endzone?I actually hope they fire Fisher so the Cowboys or Texans can hire him and I can go cheer for another team. I've been an Oilers/Titans guy since birth and I'm fed up with the whole organization. First the VY stuff, now Finnegan acting like an idiot (and getting what was coming to him). It is harder and harder to cheer for these nuckleheads, particularly when none of them seems to care that they are getting the crap kicked out of them in a divisional game.

Doesn't Fisher have some responsibility in the way Finnegan acts? It's not like this is Finnegan's first transgression. Seems like Fisher should have had him in line by now. Discipline is the coach's responsibility IMO.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded.

Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

A little perspective:First of all, how did VY disrupt the team "all week"?

Next, the Titans didn't just lose, they got SHUT OUT by the #31 defense in the NFL coming into the game, one that had given up 24+ points in 11 straight games.

CJ...7 carries for 5 yards.

His previous low was 11/9/09, with KC at the helm : 14 carries, 8 yards vs the Bears.

So this is all because VY disrupted the team all week?

Seems like you answered your first Q with your last Q.Were we ever comparing whether Rusty was better than Vince?

The team played terrible. IMO VY doesn't get to create this whirlwind of BS last week and then take credit for the result as if they'd have done oh so much better with him.

Neither Fisher nor any other NFL coach is capable of giving Rusty Smith years of experience and practice time because VY throws a tantrum. Neither Fisher nor any other coach could have healed Kerry Collins.

It'll probably be a more normal week this week and then Kerry is likely to play the next game. Then we can compare some.

It doesn't further discussion and I get that, but if Young was as good as Peyton I still would be glad that Rusty played and Fisher didn't tolerate that tantrum that resembled a 2 year old's. (Yes I am assuming this finger injury doesn't put him on IR)

People need to remember Vince was an enormous college star. He got his chance as a rook and won 7 of the 8 final games winning many close ones in an exciting fashion. At that point, just after that season, Vince had as bright a future TO FANS as just about any rookie in NFL history. He made the pro bowl in roughly half a season's worth of starts. Winning 7 of 8 is dominant.

This whole thread and much of the talk is about Fisher vs Young because Fisher makes an actual scapegoat. Once you try explaining what happened since the end of his rookie year, why the fans in Tennessee don't adore Vince anymore, then you will realize who the prob is or was.

I don't recall anyone saying the Titans should have gone to Houston and beaten them with a rookie qb in his first start. I also don't remember anyone saying he should play better than VY...and the last question doesn't answer the first. It begs more questions. Like why did the Titans abandon the run game COMPLETELY, throwing the ball 31 times and only running it 12 with Smith in there in his first start? The Titans' running game wasn't going well, but neither was the passing game. They had some success with Ringer, but they gave up on him after 4 carries. It bears repeating, the Titans just got completely shut down and SHUT OUT by the NFL's 2nd worst defense coming in, and the worst pass defense in NFL history this far into a season.

Meanwhile, the Texans ripped the Titans a new one using Schaub and basically just 3 guys, Foster, Johnson and Ward. They did what they wanted, and Fish's vaunted D let them take it right up the gut.

These things aren't on Rusty Smith or VY.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Now that Young is out and Fisher is still coaching, the Titans have really responded. Houston 20, Tennessee 0.

Oh cmon so the guy gets to disrupt the team all week and then they are supposed to be the first team to win this year with a 3rd string QB starting?

Teams have scored when led by other 3rd string QB's.

Have they scored with their "star" receiver dropping balls, their stud running back running at half speed, and their new prize acquisition lolligagging it in the endzone?I actually hope they fire Fisher so the Cowboys or Texans can hire him and I can go cheer for another team. I've been an Oilers/Titans guy since birth and I'm fed up with the whole organization. First the VY stuff, now Finnegan acting like an idiot (and getting what was coming to him). It is harder and harder to cheer for these nuckleheads, particularly when none of them seems to care that they are getting the crap kicked out of them in a divisional game.

Doesn't Fisher have some responsibility in the way Finnegan acts? It's not like this is Finnegan's first transgression. Seems like Fisher should have had him in line by now. Discipline is the coach's responsibility IMO.

Finnegan's scrappy and was talking a lot of #### there, but he was getting his ### kicked. He should be happy someone separated them.

 

[Bri]

Like why did the Titans abandon the run game COMPLETELY, throwing the ball 31 times and only running it 12 with Smith in there in his first start? The Titans' running game wasn't going well, but neither was the passing game. They had some success with Ringer, but they gave up on him after 4 carries. It bears repeating, the Titans just got completely shut down and SHUT OUT by the NFL's 2nd worst defense coming in, and the worst pass defense in NFL history this far into a season.

Like you said, I don't think this is on VY. In your post you say they passed alot against the worst pass defense in NFL history this far into the season. You also have a problem with this tactic. No doubt the results stunk but I gotta figure any OC would gameplan to attack the worst pass D.That may have been Heimerdinger's last game ever and one has to imagine he was heavily distracted this week with the horrible cancer news he received. Maybe he deserves blame here but I think he deserves a pass(no play on words intended). The guy has been an excellent OC at making something out of nothing for many years just playing matchups. Yeah he's called bad games before but this just seemed uncharacteristically bad. I think he's been a very good OC.Not much more to say on it. I'm not beating on a guy diagnosed with cancer a few days before and abruptly told he has to take chemo treatments and possibly end his career.He didn't miss blocks or throw bad passes or anything.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

In your post you say they passed alot against the worst pass defense in NFL history this far into the season. You also have a problem with this tactic. No doubt the results stunk but I gotta figure any OC would gameplan to attack the worst pass D.

That's not what I said. I said they abandoned the run. Completely and early. Even against the worst pass defense you have to keep them honest. The Titans didn't. Sure, attack a bad pass defense, even with a rookie, but abandoning the run isn't helping him.As for Dinger, I'm not trying to beat up on him. It's Fish's responsibility. The two can communicate in-game.

 

[fatness]

Now that Young is out, Fisher is still coaching, Rusty Smith is on the bench, and Collins is back at QB, the Titans have really responded.

Jacksonville 17, Tennessee 6.

 

[utche96]

I bet teams are lining up to hire fisher after that brilliant coaching display.

 

[cobalt_27]

@ people who prefer Young at QB over Fisher as HC.

 

[fatness]

The kid plays, the Titans win. Football genius, Jeff Fisher puts him on the bench and they don't.

 

[Limp Ditka]

The kid plays, the Titans win. Football genius, Jeff Fisher puts him on the bench and they don't.

To be fair, its not like he can play the guy when he's on the IRIn saying that, Fisher went to the well one too many times in bashing Young and his team has quit on him.

 

[fatness]

In saying that, Fisher went to the well one too many times in bashing Young and his team has quit on him.

That's what it looks like the team has done, yes.

 

[Young 8]

@ people who prefer Young at QB over Fisher as HC.

Yeah, Fisher is doing a really good job this year

 

[Ghost Rider]

@ people who prefer Young at QB over Fisher as HC.

Both should go.