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Retired Cop Kills Man for Texting (2 Viewers)

massraider said:
Politician Spock said:
Statorama said:
fantasycurse42 said:
So movie texters just kept pressuring this guy until he snapped. Every movie this guy goes to someone says "there he is....let's sit in front of him and turn on our phones...this is hilarious!"
I don't see why there would need to be a conspiracy against the guy. There are more than enough inconsiderate texters doing it for their own selfish reasons to make him snap. It's a reflection of how much we have regressed as a civilized society, and not a conspiracy.
Hey, maybe it's a reflection of how intolerant people have become. We live in a society, and we bump up against other humans all the time. Those humans sometimes do things that annoy us.

This freak isn't a 'reflection' of anything. He's a terrible, sick, angry person that will hopefully die alone in prison after removing a 3 year-old from her father for ever. Because he sent a silent text in a theater, BEFORE a movie started.

The fact that you have been here for 17 pages, essentially blaming the victim, is depressing.
NEVER have I blamed the victim for being shot and killed.

He is however to blame for everything PRIOR to the retired cop deciding to pull out a gun and shoot him. Up until that point the retired cop did nothing wrong. It is not wrong to ask the guy to stop texting. It is not wrong to ask him again when he continues texting. It is not wrong to ask him another time when he continues texting. It is not wrong to report it to management.
It is not "wrong" to blow off the guy for asking to stop texting- especially during previews. It is not "wrong" to ignore him again. Or again...
True. But he didn't ignore being tattled on. He took issue with being tattle on. If he wasn't doing anything wrong, why would he care that the old man told management what he was doing?
Because stupid, childish actions deserve ridicule?
Asking him to stop and taking it to management when he refuses is not stupid and childish. It's the mature way of dealing with the issue. As I've said before there are other ways he could have handled it, such as a just moving to another seat. But there is nothing stupid, childish or wrong about what he did.
yes it is. It's ridiculously stupid and childish. The theater isn't his and both parties paid to be there.

Let's remember, for the umpteenth time, that the movie hadn't even started yet.

If he has no problem getting up to get a manager, then he should have no problem getting up and finding another seat that keeps him away from the annoyance.

It was the old man's world and people weren't living in it according to his rules, so someone had to pay the price.
I have yet to see any evidence that a theater's no cell phone policy does NOT start until the feature starts. There are people who want to enjoy the previews. If you don't care about the previews, then why do you NEED to be in the theater while they are playing?

 
yes it is. It's ridiculously stupid and childish. The theater isn't his and both parties paid to be there.

Let's remember, for the umpteenth time, that the movie hadn't even started yet.

If he has no problem getting up to get a manager, then he should have no problem getting up and finding another seat that keeps him away from the annoyance.

It was the old man's world and people weren't living in it according to his rules, so someone had to pay the price.
You can see light from a cell phone all over the theater.

 
What are you exactly arguing Spock? I think everyone agrees the victim wasn't 100% innocent here and did help escalate the situation. I also think everyone agrees what the victim did didn't justify him getting blown away. Who cares if the retired cop did nothing wrong up until the time he pulled out his gun and blew the victim away. That's a pretty big wrong.

 
What are you exactly arguing Spock? I think everyone agrees the victim wasn't 100% innocent here and did help escalate the situation. I also think everyone agrees what the victim did didn't justify him getting blown away. Who cares if the retired cop did nothing wrong up until the time he pulled out his gun and blew the victim away. That's a pretty big wrong.
The triggerman also has a now alleged history of being an anti texting stalker lunatic... I think this is extremely telling of who this wackadoo is!

 
yes it is. It's ridiculously stupid and childish. The theater isn't his and both parties paid to be there.

Let's remember, for the umpteenth time, that the movie hadn't even started yet.

If he has no problem getting up to get a manager, then he should have no problem getting up and finding another seat that keeps him away from the annoyance.

It was the old man's world and people weren't living in it according to his rules, so someone had to pay the price.
You can see light from a cell phone all over the theater.
He said cell phone, not spotlight

HTH

 
Let's see if I can Cliff's Notes the arguments of JoJo (and other stupid people):

1) It's a natural right to carry guns into a movie theater

2) It's a sin to text your babysitter during the previews in a movie theater

Got it.

 
From your perspective it's a minor annoyance because it either doesn't annoy you much, or you're one of the people doing it.From other people's perspective it's a big deal because they've grown pretty sick of it, especially the entitlement attitude by those who do it.

People have different perpsectives in the world. Imagine that!

No one has the perspective that the old man was right to kill the guy. But some people have the perspective that what the father was doing is a major annoyance. Not worth of dying over, but very annoying none the less.
Oh, it's not a minor annoyance, it's a MAJOR annoyance. Well, in that case.....................what?

 
What are you exactly arguing Spock? I think everyone agrees the victim wasn't 100% innocent here and did help escalate the situation. I also think everyone agrees what the victim did didn't justify him getting blown away. Who cares if the retired cop did nothing wrong up until the time he pulled out his gun and blew the victim away. That's a pretty big wrong.
Spock is doing great work here.

My take is that some here (the anti-gun crowd) are blaming gun laws as usual. And Spock's efforts are in large part to say, "the gun is not the only problem here." I could be wrong. But I appreciate what he is doing. As I said earlier, I think we should spend as much time talking about common courtesy in cases like this and respect for others as much as we talk about guns.

 
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What are you exactly arguing Spock? I think everyone agrees the victim wasn't 100% innocent here and did help escalate the situation. I also think everyone agrees what the victim did didn't justify him getting blown away. Who cares if the retired cop did nothing wrong up until the time he pulled out his gun and blew the victim away. That's a pretty big wrong.
Read the thread. No they don't. Suggesting the victim did anything wrong is an abomination to some people in here. They even think people suggesting it are doing it for shtick.

 
From your perspective it's a minor annoyance because it either doesn't annoy you much, or you're one of the people doing it.

From other people's perspective it's a big deal because they've grown pretty sick of it, especially the entitlement attitude by those who do it.

People have different perpsectives in the world. Imagine that!

No one has the perspective that the old man was right to kill the guy. But some people have the perspective that what the father was doing is a major annoyance. Not worth of dying over, but very annoying none the less.
Oh, it's not a minor annoyance, it's a MAJOR annoyance. Well, in that case.....................what?
Texting in a dark movie theater (even if it is only previews) is a minor annoyance. Doing so and acting like a d-bag about it and throwing a bag (bowl?) of popcorn for someone asking you to stop is a major annoyance, happy?

 
massraider said:
Politician Spock said:
Statorama said:
fantasycurse42 said:
So movie texters just kept pressuring this guy until he snapped. Every movie this guy goes to someone says "there he is....let's sit in front of him and turn on our phones...this is hilarious!"
I don't see why there would need to be a conspiracy against the guy. There are more than enough inconsiderate texters doing it for their own selfish reasons to make him snap. It's a reflection of how much we have regressed as a civilized society, and not a conspiracy.
Hey, maybe it's a reflection of how intolerant people have become.

We live in a society, and we bump up against other humans all the time. Those humans sometimes do things that annoy us.

This freak isn't a 'reflection' of anything. He's a terrible, sick, angry person that will hopefully die alone in prison after removing a 3 year-old from her father for ever. Because he sent a silent text in a theater, BEFORE a movie started.

The fact that you have been here for 17 pages, essentially blaming the victim, is depressing.
NEVER have I blamed the victim for being shot and killed.

He is however to blame for everything PRIOR to the retired cop deciding to pull out a gun and shoot him. Up until that point the retired cop did nothing wrong. It is not wrong to ask the guy to stop texting. It is not wrong to ask him again when he continues texting. It is not wrong to ask him another time when he continues texting. It is not wrong to report it to management.
:lmao:

 
spock's either fishing like a pro or someone i would not want to be in a theatre with

either way BRAVO!!!

 
On the radio the "JoJos" are out in force. Just heard a guy call in and claim that the wife tried to seize the gun, and that's an "act of aggression".

 
"Sorry I beat that seven year old to death judge, but seriously, she has to absorb some of the responsibility here. AmIright?"
she was cracking her chomping on her gum with her mouth open, you know how annoying that is

right up until the point where you killed her, she was TOTALLY in the wrong

 
yes it is. It's ridiculously stupid and childish. The theater isn't his and both parties paid to be there.

Let's remember, for the umpteenth time, that the movie hadn't even started yet.

If he has no problem getting up to get a manager, then he should have no problem getting up and finding another seat that keeps him away from the annoyance.

It was the old man's world and people weren't living in it according to his rules, so someone had to pay the price.
You can see light from a cell phone all over the theater.
:lmao:

 
All of you who are calling this guy a lunatic- what if he isn't? What if he's just a bitter old dude with a bad temper? Lots of people have bad tempers. Lots of people get into fights with others and snap. The problem is that some of those people with loaded guns decide to use them in the spur of the moment. I'm absolutely convinced that was the case with George Zimmerman- he was fighting some punk kid, was losing, got pissed off and shot the kid to death. I'm fairly convinced that in this case, this guy was arguing, didn't like having popcorn thrown in his face, got pissed off, and fired his gun. That doesn't make him a lunatic.

The point is that the gun makes us less safe, because in these situations not everyone can control their emotions. We see this time and time again. If I could be certain that every gun owner was rational and responsible like Icon, I wouldn't have a problem. But obviously that is not the case. That's why I don't think people should carry guns in public, concealed or otherwise. It's just too dangerous.

As I wrote, this is a new opinion on my part. If you disagree and want to have a reasonable discussion, I'm open to it.

 
Any of you guys have a younger brother? Maybe 3-5 years younger? I do. I remember when we were kids, and he would hang out with myself and my cousins, he would like talk #### to strangers more, be a little ballsy than he otherwise would be if he was would be by himself. Sometimes he would have to have us come to his rescue when he needed reinforcements.


That's how I see some of these guys with guns. They feel all big and bad(der) than they normally would feel. Sometimes they escalate situations b/c they know they got their big brother on their hip just in case.
 
massraider said:
Politician Spock said:
Statorama said:
fantasycurse42 said:
So movie texters just kept pressuring this guy until he snapped. Every movie this guy goes to someone says "there he is....let's sit in front of him and turn on our phones...this is hilarious!"
I don't see why there would need to be a conspiracy against the guy. There are more than enough inconsiderate texters doing it for their own selfish reasons to make him snap. It's a reflection of how much we have regressed as a civilized society, and not a conspiracy.
Hey, maybe it's a reflection of how intolerant people have become.

We live in a society, and we bump up against other humans all the time. Those humans sometimes do things that annoy us.

This freak isn't a 'reflection' of anything. He's a terrible, sick, angry person that will hopefully die alone in prison after removing a 3 year-old from her father for ever. Because he sent a silent text in a theater, BEFORE a movie started.

The fact that you have been here for 17 pages, essentially blaming the victim, is depressing.
NEVER have I blamed the victim for being shot and killed.

He is however to blame for everything PRIOR to the retired cop deciding to pull out a gun and shoot him. Up until that point the retired cop did nothing wrong. It is not wrong to ask the guy to stop texting. It is not wrong to ask him again when he continues texting. It is not wrong to ask him another time when he continues texting. It is not wrong to report it to management.
Was it wrong to follow a woman to the bathroom because she was texting?
Probably. The only side of that incident we've heard so far is her's though.
So you need to hear the side of the man who murdered someone over a completely insignificant disagreement? I think the lone incident is more than enough to conclude the shooter is completely off his rocker and a danger to everyone around him. The girl's corroborating story is just a superfluous nail in the coffin.

 
I'd like to remove concealed carry yes. That is hardly the same as "ban all guns".
Do you think this guy doesn't shoot the other guy if his gun isn't concealed?
I think he doesn't bring a gun into a theater that has a "no weapons" policy if it isn't concealed.
Regardless of the law, most cops, retired or active, carry at all times. They never know when they're going to run into someone they cuffed.

 
From your perspective it's a minor annoyance because it either doesn't annoy you much, or you're one of the people doing it.

From other people's perspective it's a big deal because they've grown pretty sick of it, especially the entitlement attitude by those who do it.

People have different perpsectives in the world. Imagine that!

No one has the perspective that the old man was right to kill the guy. But some people have the perspective that what the father was doing is a major annoyance. Not worth of dying over, but very annoying none the less.
Oh, it's not a minor annoyance, it's a MAJOR annoyance. Well, in that case.....................what?
Texting in a dark movie theater (even if it is only previews) is a minor annoyance. Doing so and acting like a d-bag about it and throwing a bag (bowl?) of popcorn for someone asking you to stop is a major annoyance, happy?
So you really still haven't seen the eye witnesses saying that the shooter was the first to throw popcorn? And also, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ####### POPCORN!!!!

 
All of you who are calling this guy a lunatic- what if he isn't? What if he's just a bitter old dude with a bad temper? Lots of people have bad tempers. Lots of people get into fights with others and snap. The problem is that some of those people with loaded guns decide to use them in the spur of the moment. I'm absolutely convinced that was the case with George Zimmerman- he was fighting some punk kid, was losing, got pissed off and shot the kid to death. I'm fairly convinced that in this case, this guy was arguing, didn't like having popcorn thrown in his face, got pissed off, and fired his gun. That doesn't make him a lunatic.

The point is that the gun makes us less safe, because in these situations not everyone can control their emotions. We see this time and time again. If I could be certain that every gun owner was rational and responsible like Icon, I wouldn't have a problem. But obviously that is not the case. That's why I don't think people should carry guns in public, concealed or otherwise. It's just too dangerous.

As I wrote, this is a new opinion on my part. If you disagree and want to have a reasonable discussion, I'm open to it.
This is wrong because you're focusing on the very small number of events like this that we see. If you wanted we could post a hell of a lot more cases where good samaritans SAVED lives due to having a gun. But you discount those for some reason. Of course, you pretty much discount the constitution on a daily basis so I'm not really surprised that you'd discount other evidence that doesn't agree with your world view.

 
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All of you who are calling this guy a lunatic- what if he isn't? What if he's just a bitter old dude with a bad temper? Lots of people have bad tempers. Lots of people get into fights with others and snap. The problem is that some of those people with loaded guns decide to use them in the spur of the moment. I'm absolutely convinced that was the case with George Zimmerman- he was fighting some punk kid, was losing, got pissed off and shot the kid to death. I'm fairly convinced that in this case, this guy was arguing, didn't like having popcorn thrown in his face, got pissed off, and fired his gun. That doesn't make him a lunatic.

The point is that the gun makes us less safe, because in these situations not everyone can control their emotions. We see this time and time again. If I could be certain that every gun owner was rational and responsible like Icon, I wouldn't have a problem. But obviously that is not the case. That's why I don't think people should carry guns in public, concealed or otherwise. It's just too dangerous.

As I wrote, this is a new opinion on my part. If you disagree and want to have a reasonable discussion, I'm open to it.
You could have a bad temper and still understand it is wrong to take another person's life. Are you saying someone in a bar (that is sober) gets pissed off and breaks a beer bottle and then slices someone else with it, you think these people are sane? It's pretty clear you want to blame the gun, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

 
massraider said:
Politician Spock said:
Statorama said:
fantasycurse42 said:
So movie texters just kept pressuring this guy until he snapped. Every movie this guy goes to someone says "there he is....let's sit in front of him and turn on our phones...this is hilarious!"
I don't see why there would need to be a conspiracy against the guy. There are more than enough inconsiderate texters doing it for their own selfish reasons to make him snap. It's a reflection of how much we have regressed as a civilized society, and not a conspiracy.
Hey, maybe it's a reflection of how intolerant people have become.

We live in a society, and we bump up against other humans all the time. Those humans sometimes do things that annoy us.

This freak isn't a 'reflection' of anything. He's a terrible, sick, angry person that will hopefully die alone in prison after removing a 3 year-old from her father for ever. Because he sent a silent text in a theater, BEFORE a movie started.

The fact that you have been here for 17 pages, essentially blaming the victim, is depressing.
NEVER have I blamed the victim for being shot and killed.

He is however to blame for everything PRIOR to the retired cop deciding to pull out a gun and shoot him. Up until that point the retired cop did nothing wrong. It is not wrong to ask the guy to stop texting. It is not wrong to ask him again when he continues texting. It is not wrong to ask him another time when he continues texting. It is not wrong to report it to management.
Was it wrong to follow a woman to the bathroom because she was texting?
Probably. The only side of that incident we've heard so far is her's though.
So you need to hear the side of the man who murdered someone over a completely insignificant disagreement? I think the lone incident is more than enough to conclude the shooter is completely off his rocker and a danger to everyone around him. The girl's corroborating story is just a superfluous nail in the coffin.
The old guy obviously lost his mind. That's probably why he followed her a few weeks ago. But "probably" leaves open the possibility that he didn't. All we know is her side of the story of that incident. He and his wife might testify that he went to go pee. Or, she and her husband could be completely lying about the incident and it didn't even happen. We don't know.

With what happened on Monday, we have numerous testimonies of many people about the incident. Based on numerous testimonies, I don't see the old guy doing anything wrong until he pulled out the gun and killed him.

 
What's truly scary about JoJo's comments is that there's a lot of people who share his views.
What do you mean by "a lot"?
Perhaps hundreds of thousands. Pro NRA types who really want to blame the victim in these situations.
If they exist, they haven't come out in droves to support this shooter. I suspect they don't and JoJo's on his little island with a few outliers.
The Omission strikes again! What part of this guy is a lunatic and deserves to be locked up do you classify as "supporting the shooter".
see icon :lmao:

 
He is however to blame for everything PRIOR to the retired cop deciding to pull out a gun and shoot him. Up until that point the retired cop did nothing wrong. It is not wrong to ask the guy to stop texting. It is not wrong to ask him again when he continues texting. It is not wrong to ask him another time when he continues texting. It is not wrong to report it to management.
He went to report it to management, and refused to wait while the manager was speaking to another customer. He went back to his seat, angry, and took matters into his own hands. You keep ignoring that in your desire to say he did nothing wrong.

He was angry, management didn't jump in immediately on his behalf, he went back to handle it himself and killed a man.

 
From your perspective it's a minor annoyance because it either doesn't annoy you much, or you're one of the people doing it.

From other people's perspective it's a big deal because they've grown pretty sick of it, especially the entitlement attitude by those who do it.

People have different perpsectives in the world. Imagine that!

No one has the perspective that the old man was right to kill the guy. But some people have the perspective that what the father was doing is a major annoyance. Not worth of dying over, but very annoying none the less.
Oh, it's not a minor annoyance, it's a MAJOR annoyance. Well, in that case.....................what?
Texting in a dark movie theater (even if it is only previews) is a minor annoyance. Doing so and acting like a d-bag about it and throwing a bag (bowl?) of popcorn for someone asking you to stop is a major annoyance, happy?
So you really still haven't seen the eye witnesses saying that the shooter was the first to throw popcorn? And also, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ####### POPCORN!!!!
No I haven't, I'm not hanging on every single detail of this story like some people in this thread are. I read this CNN article that makes no mention of what you are talking about.

:lmao: You are insinuating that Reeves comes back, Oulsen asks Reeves if he went to tell on him and then Reeves starts throwing popcorn at Oulsen? Good luck with that.

 
What's truly scary about JoJo's comments is that there's a lot of people who share his views.
What do you mean by "a lot"?
Perhaps hundreds of thousands. Pro NRA types who really want to blame the victim in these situations.
If they exist, they haven't come out in droves to support this shooter. I suspect they don't and JoJo's on his little island with a few outliers.
The Omission strikes again! What part of this guy is a lunatic and deserves to be locked up do you classify as "supporting the shooter".
see icon :lmao:
You have done nothing but bait in this thread, be proud of that.

 
massraider said:
Politician Spock said:
Statorama said:
fantasycurse42 said:
So movie texters just kept pressuring this guy until he snapped. Every movie this guy goes to someone says "there he is....let's sit in front of him and turn on our phones...this is hilarious!"
I don't see why there would need to be a conspiracy against the guy. There are more than enough inconsiderate texters doing it for their own selfish reasons to make him snap. It's a reflection of how much we have regressed as a civilized society, and not a conspiracy.
Hey, maybe it's a reflection of how intolerant people have become.

We live in a society, and we bump up against other humans all the time. Those humans sometimes do things that annoy us.

This freak isn't a 'reflection' of anything. He's a terrible, sick, angry person that will hopefully die alone in prison after removing a 3 year-old from her father for ever. Because he sent a silent text in a theater, BEFORE a movie started.

The fact that you have been here for 17 pages, essentially blaming the victim, is depressing.
NEVER have I blamed the victim for being shot and killed.

He is however to blame for everything PRIOR to the retired cop deciding to pull out a gun and shoot him. Up until that point the retired cop did nothing wrong. It is not wrong to ask the guy to stop texting. It is not wrong to ask him again when he continues texting. It is not wrong to ask him another time when he continues texting. It is not wrong to report it to management.
Was it wrong to follow a woman to the bathroom because she was texting?
Probably. The only side of that incident we've heard so far is her's though.
So you need to hear the side of the man who murdered someone over a completely insignificant disagreement? I think the lone incident is more than enough to conclude the shooter is completely off his rocker and a danger to everyone around him. The girl's corroborating story is just a superfluous nail in the coffin.
The old guy obviously lost his mind. That's probably why he followed her a few weeks ago. But "probably" leaves open the possibility that he didn't. All we know is her side of the story of that incident. He and his wife might testify that he went to go pee. Or, she and her husband could be completely lying about the incident and it didn't even happen. We don't know.

With what happened on Monday, we have numerous testimonies of many people about the incident. Based on numerous testimonies, I don't see the old guy doing anything wrong until he pulled out the gun and killed him.
I think you're assuming he started out nice which is a pretty big assumption based on everything known, and I can't for the life of me guess why you would want to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

 
From your perspective it's a minor annoyance because it either doesn't annoy you much, or you're one of the people doing it.

From other people's perspective it's a big deal because they've grown pretty sick of it, especially the entitlement attitude by those who do it.

People have different perpsectives in the world. Imagine that!

No one has the perspective that the old man was right to kill the guy. But some people have the perspective that what the father was doing is a major annoyance. Not worth of dying over, but very annoying none the less.
Oh, it's not a minor annoyance, it's a MAJOR annoyance. Well, in that case.....................what?
Texting in a dark movie theater (even if it is only previews) is a minor annoyance. Doing so and acting like a d-bag about it and throwing a bag (bowl?) of popcorn for someone asking you to stop is a major annoyance, happy?
So you really still haven't seen the eye witnesses saying that the shooter was the first to throw popcorn? And also, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ####### POPCORN!!!!
No I haven't, I'm not hanging on every single detail of this story like some people in this thread are. I read this CNN article that makes no mention of what you are talking about.

:lmao: You are insinuating that Reeves comes back, Oulsen asks Reeves if he went to tell on him and then Reeves starts throwing popcorn at Oulsen? Good luck with that.
That's not what I am insinuating. That's what eye-witnesses are saying. Good lord...

 
He is however to blame for everything PRIOR to the retired cop deciding to pull out a gun and shoot him. Up until that point the retired cop did nothing wrong. It is not wrong to ask the guy to stop texting. It is not wrong to ask him again when he continues texting. It is not wrong to ask him another time when he continues texting. It is not wrong to report it to management.
He went to report it to management, and refused to wait while the manager was speaking to another customer. He went back to his seat, angry,
I agree with you completely up to this point. Not only was he angry at the father, now he had reason to be angry at theater management being too busy to help him.

and took matters into his own hands. You keep ignoring that in your desire to say he did nothing wrong.
Because I disagree with the bolded. When he came back, according to numerous testimonies, the father took issue with him tattle taling on him. The father obviously had something to say to him when he returned. Now you have two people, both with issues to take with the other. How it unfolded at that point is where the testimonies get muddy.

He was angry, management didn't jump in immediately on his behalf, he went back to handle it himself and killed a man.
It's possible he went back to handle it himself. It's also possible when he got back, the father escalated it for being tattled on. It's hard to know what happened at that point with the testimony.

But asking him to stop, and again, and again, and then attempting to report it to management.... there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of that.

 
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http://wqad.com/2014/01/15/florida-theater-shooting-victim-was-born-in-illinois/

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He was born in Alton, Illinois, and spent the last 20 years in Florida, according to the obituary.

Oulson served in the U.S. Navy from 1990 to 1997 and was an aviation maintenance administration petty officer 2nd class, according to Navy news desk Lt. Richlyn Neal. He served during Operation Desert Storm.

Oulson rode dirt bikes, loved boating, and was a motor cross enthusiast. He was a devoted father and husband.
 
and took matters into his own hands. You keep ignoring that in your desire to say he did nothing wrong.
Because I disagree with the bolded. When he came back, according to numerous testimonies, the father took issue with him tattle taling on him. The father obviously had something to say to him when he returned. Now you have two people, both with issues to take with the other. How it unfolded at that point is where the testimonies get muddy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/15/ex-cop-s-shooting-of-texting-moviegoer-end-in-tragedy.html

Curtis is said to have gone out to find a manager or an usher. He returned alone, and according to at least two witnesses, he was noticeably agitated
You keep ignoring this. He didn't wait to to talk to the theater manager, went back to his seat more agitated, and took matters into his own hands.

 
massraider said:
Politician Spock said:
Statorama said:
fantasycurse42 said:
So movie texters just kept pressuring this guy until he snapped. Every movie this guy goes to someone says "there he is....let's sit in front of him and turn on our phones...this is hilarious!"
I don't see why there would need to be a conspiracy against the guy. There are more than enough inconsiderate texters doing it for their own selfish reasons to make him snap. It's a reflection of how much we have regressed as a civilized society, and not a conspiracy.
Hey, maybe it's a reflection of how intolerant people have become. We live in a society, and we bump up against other humans all the time. Those humans sometimes do things that annoy us.

This freak isn't a 'reflection' of anything. He's a terrible, sick, angry person that will hopefully die alone in prison after removing a 3 year-old from her father for ever. Because he sent a silent text in a theater, BEFORE a movie started.

The fact that you have been here for 17 pages, essentially blaming the victim, is depressing.
NEVER have I blamed the victim for being shot and killed.

He is however to blame for everything PRIOR to the retired cop deciding to pull out a gun and shoot him. Up until that point the retired cop did nothing wrong. It is not wrong to ask the guy to stop texting. It is not wrong to ask him again when he continues texting. It is not wrong to ask him another time when he continues texting. It is not wrong to report it to management.
Was it wrong to follow a woman to the bathroom because she was texting?
Probably. The only side of that incident we've heard so far is her's though.
So you need to hear the side of the man who murdered someone over a completely insignificant disagreement? I think the lone incident is more than enough to conclude the shooter is completely off his rocker and a danger to everyone around him. The girl's corroborating story is just a superfluous nail in the coffin.
The old guy obviously lost his mind. That's probably why he followed her a few weeks ago. But "probably" leaves open the possibility that he didn't. All we know is her side of the story of that incident. He and his wife might testify that he went to go pee. Or, she and her husband could be completely lying about the incident and it didn't even happen. We don't know.

With what happened on Monday, we have numerous testimonies of many people about the incident. Based on numerous testimonies, I don't see the old guy doing anything wrong until he pulled out the gun and killed him.
I think you're assuming he started out nice which is a pretty big assumption based on everything known, and I can't for the life of me guess why you would want to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
I'm pretty sure he's the spitting image of a "GET OFF MY LAWN" old man. Everything he did up until the point of pulling out the gun and killing him is still not wrong.

 
This is wrong because you're focusing on the very small number of events like this that we see. If you wanted we could post a hell of a lot more cases where good samaritans SAVED lives due to having a gun. But you discount those for some reason. Of course, you pretty much discount the constitution on a daily basis so I'm not really surprised that you'd discount other evidence that doesn't agree with your world view.
I watch the local news every day and I can tell you that stories of shootings where someone loses their cool outnumber stories of good samaritans saving lives with their gun by at least 100 to 1.

 
http://wqad.com/2014/01/15/florida-theater-shooting-victim-was-born-in-illinois/

According to an obituary on the website of Loyless Funeral Home in Land O’Lakes, Florida, a memorial service for Oulson was scheduled for Saturday.

He was born in Alton, Illinois, and spent the last 20 years in Florida, according to the obituary.

Oulson served in the U.S. Navy from 1990 to 1997 and was an aviation maintenance administration petty officer 2nd class, according to Navy news desk Lt. Richlyn Neal. He served during Operation Desert Storm.

Oulson rode dirt bikes, loved boating, and was a motor cross enthusiast. He was a devoted father and husband.
Chad loved texting.

 

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