Retired Cop Kills Man for Texting (3 Viewers)

[Joe T]

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As much as it pains me to say it, I don't see how Tim could be wrong in this instance. Even if the wife did grab the gun with her hand, causing it to fire though her hand into the guys chest, which would mean the retired cop's intent to kill would be minimal, Tim is absolutely right in saying that if the guy wasn't allowed to carry, no one dies. Worst case, the retired cop lost his mind and murdered the guy. Best case, it was an accident of an argument and scuffle. In either case, it's a black eye to gun ownership.

also by Tim.

Not necessarily. The ex cop could have gone to his vehicle to get a gun or could have waited until after the movie and shot him in the parking lot. It's not 100% certain no one dies if the ex cop isn't allowed to carry.

Bull####. You and everyone else knows that nothing happens if he doesn't have a gun right then and there.

The same could be said that if the young guy doesn't have his cell phone with him in the movie theater nothing happens.

ETA: Pretty sure this incident proves cell phones should be banned in this country. Without them, we wouldn't have things like this happen.

 

[Gr00vus]

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As much as it pains me to say it, I don't see how Tim could be wrong in this instance. Even if the wife did grab the gun with her hand, causing it to fire though her hand into the guys chest, which would mean the retired cop's intent to kill would be minimal, Tim is absolutely right in saying that if the guy wasn't allowed to carry, no one dies. Worst case, the retired cop lost his mind and murdered the guy. Best case, it was an accident of an argument and scuffle. In either case, it's a black eye to gun ownership.

also by Tim.

Not necessarily. The ex cop could have gone to his vehicle to get a gun or could have waited until after the movie and shot him in the parking lot. It's not 100% certain no one dies if the ex cop isn't allowed to carry.

Bull####. You and everyone else knows that nothing happens if he doesn't have a gun right then and there.

The same could be said that if the young guy doesn't have his cell phone with him in the movie theater nothing happens.

Suggesting there's any equivalency between being rude and murdering someone is idiotic.

 

[Two Deep]

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As much as it pains me to say it, I don't see how Tim could be wrong in this instance. Even if the wife did grab the gun with her hand, causing it to fire though her hand into the guys chest, which would mean the retired cop's intent to kill would be minimal, Tim is absolutely right in saying that if the guy wasn't allowed to carry, no one dies. Worst case, the retired cop lost his mind and murdered the guy. Best case, it was an accident of an argument and scuffle. In either case, it's a black eye to gun ownership.

also by Tim.

Not necessarily. The ex cop could have gone to his vehicle to get a gun or could have waited until after the movie and shot him in the parking lot. It's not 100% certain no one dies if the ex cop isn't allowed to carry.

Bull####. You and everyone else knows that nothing happens if he doesn't have a gun right then and there.

The same could be said that if the young guy doesn't have his cell phone with him in the movie theater nothing happens.

Suggesting there's any equivalency between being rude and murdering someone is idiotic.

Depends......Who would you rather associate with. A guy who s**ts on you door step or a guy who murders the guy who s**ts on your door step

 

[Clifford]

Good Lord this country is screwed...

 

[Politician Spock]

Good Lord this country is screwed...

If you didn't know that before this incident yesterday, you must have your head buried in the sand.

 

[Clifford]

Just the reminders bring it back up to the top. I have to work pretty hard to suppress it.

 

[Statorama]

Retired guy will get off with probation.

Mark it down.

I was thinking that some kind of dementia defense gets him life in an assisted living facility (guilty, but no prison)

 

[TobiasFunke]

Good Lord this country is screwed...

Again ... this is Florida. No need to worry.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Retired guy will get off with probation.

Mark it down.

No chance! This case is garnering a lot of attention. This guy is going to be made an example of, rightfully so.

 

[MattFancy]

Retired guy will get off with probation.

Mark it down.

No chance! This case is garnering a lot of attention. This guy is going to be made an example of, rightfully so.

If it was somewhere other than Florida, I'd agree with you. But they'll find a way to screw this up.

 

[culdeus]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

 

[The Commish]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

 

[fantasycurse42]

Retired guy will get off with probation.

Mark it down.

No chance! This case is garnering a lot of attention. This guy is going to be made an example of, rightfully so.

If it was somewhere other than Florida, I'd agree with you. But they'll find a way to screw this up.

I don't think an elementary school student council could botch this case...

Without knowing anything, here is what we know:

• Altercation in the movie theater
• Popcorn may have been thrown (it does not appear there was any other violence prior with the facts we have now)
• Man shot dead
• Room full of eyewitnesses
• Weapon recovered on the scene

This is a situation where I don't like our justice system... The guy is blatantly guilty of murder and over 70 - Lets not waste time. Get him in general population right away, no reason he doesn't belong there immediately.

 

[fantasycurse42]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

How could someone be in fear for their life while pointing a loaded gun at an unarmed man?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

How could someone be in fear for their life while pointing a loaded gun at an unarmed man?

Maybe the victim was pointing his fingers in a V shape (horizontally) at the gunman ala "I'm rubber and you're glue".

 

[Clifford]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

Yep. That is all it takes in Florida.

 

[Clifford]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

How could someone be in fear for their life while pointing a loaded gun at an unarmed man?

Ask the Zimmerman jury.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Terrible, terrible tragedy for this young family and those involved directly and indirectly.

As a movie theater company executive we will continue to NOT ban weapons on the premises. We don't encourage bringing them in but we don't ban them with a sign either. I'm not convinced it will make the theater safer and I believe it could make it less safe. Same position before and after the Aurora theater shooting too.

Someone mentioned the theater manager being fired. Why? Never even crossed my mind.

 

[The Commish]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

How could someone be in fear for their life while pointing a loaded gun at an unarmed man?

Don't ask me....anything's possible in Florida. That much should be clear at this point.

 

[msommer]

The ironic thing is, as much as these incidents make the anti-gun people yell louder, they also strengthen my (and every CC person's) resolve to always carry.

There's no way more people carrying makes things better in this situation.

I don't care about more people. I don't care about the NRA, etc.

I do care about the safety of my wife and I when out. I care about being able to have the ultimate equalizer if cornered and have no choice.

It's defending his actions as a reaction to the victim's actions which is defending the shooter by defending his actions.

And you are assuming tons of ####, none of which is even corroborated by any report of people who were there.

If you are to be allowed to live in a society you have to be able to handle minor annoyances without killing people.

actually, what he is saying seems to be the case, going from what's been reported. The guy asked him to stop, went out to report him, came back after apparently failing in this, and the victim was the one who started in again, stood up, threw the popcorn, etc. Not that any of that justifies killing, but the old guy is very likely going to say he felt threatened. That will be for a jury to determine.

And if they clear the retired cop because he was standing his ground, being insulted and assaulted by popcorn?

oh, it's wrong. There's no justification for pulling out the gun. None at all. I say this as someone who always carries.

Why is everyone assuming that if you say the victim was acting like an ### (or whatnot) that translates into justification.

Actually I was hoping that this would lead to acknowledgement that a change in the legislation would then be required rather than an 'oh'

well, that's not the sentence I wrote, or the thought, but whatever.

I said "oh, it's wrong" to your stand your ground statement. Then I said there's no justification. What more do you want? The law is wrong in that respect.

Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.

 

[Clifford]

Terrible, terrible tragedy for this young family and those involved directly and indirectly.

As a movie theater company executive we will continue to NOT ban weapons on the premises. We don't encourage bringing them in but we don't ban them with a sign either. I'm not convinced it will make the theater safer and I believe it could make it less safe. Same position before and after the Aurora theater shooting too.

Someone mentioned the theater manager being fired. Why? Never even crossed my mind.

So you're saying, as a movie theater executive, that fewer guns in a dark, crowded movie theater would make it less safe. Please, please explain how you arrive at this conclusion. I think as a movie theater executive you owe us that much.

 

[3C's]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

During an interview with Reeves with his arrest, and after the former cop was read his Miranda rights, Reeves admitted to firing his weapon at the victim because "he was in fear of being attacked," according to the police report.

Reeves told police that Oulson had hit him with what the police report describes as an "unknown object."

 

[The Commish]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

During an interview with Reeves with his arrest, and after the former cop was read his Miranda rights, Reeves admitted to firing his weapon at the victim because "he was in fear of being attacked," according to the police report.

Reeves told police that Oulson had hit him with what the police report describes as an "unknown object."

That's all it takes in Florida

 

[lod01]

Good Lord this country is screwed...

If you didn't know that before this incident yesterday, you must have your head buried in the sand.

A - ####### - plus posting!

 

[[icon]]

The ironic thing is, as much as these incidents make the anti-gun people yell louder, they also strengthen my (and every CC person's) resolve to always carry.

There's no way more people carrying makes things better in this situation.

Tell that to the father who's dead.Part of the reason I carry is so that if I ever run into this type of situation I have a chance of saving myself and my loved ones from serious harm or death.

But let's let this thread continue on down the usual painting of the Herman Rockwell painting where all guns magically disappear from society.

Until you can guarantee those that wish to so me harm aren't armed, I chose to be.

 

[[icon]]

Terrible, terrible tragedy for this young family and those involved directly and indirectly.

As a movie theater company executive we will continue to NOT ban weapons on the premises. We don't encourage bringing them in but we don't ban them with a sign either. I'm not convinced it will make the theater safer and I believe it could make it less safe. Same position before and after the Aurora theater shooting too.

Someone mentioned the theater manager being fired. Why? Never even crossed my mind.

This stance is why I choose to give my business to the movie theater I generally attend. There has never been a shooting there.

Note that both shootings mentioned in this thread have been gun free zones... Again.

 

[sporthenry]

The ironic thing is, as much as these incidents make the anti-gun people yell louder, they also strengthen my (and every CC person's) resolve to always carry.

There's no way more people carrying makes things better in this situation.

Tell that to the father who's dead.

So what happens if the father is carrying? Then we have two people pointing guns at each other? I'm sure after that, they just put the guns away and watch the movie right?

 

[msommer]

The ironic thing is, as much as these incidents make the anti-gun people yell louder, they also strengthen my (and every CC person's) resolve to always carry.

There's no way more people carrying makes things better in this situation.

Tell that to the father who's dead.

So he draws on the old guy and shoots him faster than the old guy can pull the trigger? Or is he just supposed to draw on the old guy before the old guy draws his gun. Or he draws his gun making the shooting self defense. In what scenario does both of them being armed result in none of them feeling their life is threatened or the lives of bystanders being in jeopardy?

Come on Icon...

 

[Apple Jack]

What's better than one crazy person with a gun in a movie theater? That's right...two crazy people with guns in a movie theater.

 

[Apple Jack]

The lesson is not that gun free zones don't work, it's that cc people are whack jobs and gun free zones need to be enforced rather than just leaving it up to the people to obey.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I'm not anti-gun or anti-carry but if both parties were carrying I would put money on the situation being worse/bloodier.

 

[sporthenry]

The lesson is not that gun free zones don't work, it's that cc people are whack jobs and gun free zones need to be enforced rather than just leaving it up to the people to obey.

Yeah, not sure how the "gun free zone" argument holds here when a legal CC gun holder had it and initiated the violence. I thought the whole point was that criminals carried in gun free zones while law obeying citizens didn't.

Obviously by carrying the gun and subsequently shooting someone, he is no longer a law obeying citizen but that is besides the point.

 

[fantasycurse42]

The ironic thing is, as much as these incidents make the anti-gun people yell louder, they also strengthen my (and every CC person's) resolve to always carry.

There's no way more people carrying makes things better in this situation.

Tell that to the father who's dead.

I'm kinda in the middle of the whole gun debate, I don't lean heavily either way, but there is no way you can dispute more guns as opposed to less guns would've been beneficial in this situation.

 

[LinusMarr]

Vigilante Justice!! Get them crazy texters!!

 

[Joe T]

The lesson is not that gun free zones don't work, it's that cc people are whack jobs and gun free zones need to be enforced rather than just leaving it up to the people to obey.

/thread

 

[The Commish]

I'm not anti-gun or anti-carry but if both parties were carrying I would put money on the situation being worse/bloodier.

This is where I'm at. Seems to me a person carrying a gun out of fear of attack is the gasoline to the fire of the person carrying a gun because they are crazy. The two don't cancel each other out. It just intensifies the situation.

 

[dutch]

hmmm, two people pull out guns in a populated movie theatre and start blasting away at each other while innocent bystanders scurry for cover, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Pipes]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

How could someone be in fear for their life while pointing a loaded gun at an unarmed man?

Ask the Zimmerman jury.

Zimmerman's head was being bounced off the concrete moments before the shooting so there was a valid arguement to be made. I don't think the old man had a scratch on him even from that popcorn attack.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

hmmm, two people pull out guns in a populated movie theatre and start blasting away at each other while innocent bystanders scurry for cover, what could possibly go wrong?

A bunch of people don't get to see (from what I understand is) a pretty good movie.

 

[spreagle]

I suspect the retired cop will claim the guy said "I'm going to kill you" or something like that, then lunged at him.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I suspect the retired cop will claim the guy said "I'm going to kill you" or something like that, then lunged at him with a shiv formed out of a box of Milk Duds..

 

[fantasycurse42]

I suspect the retired cop will claim the guy said "I'm going to kill you" or something like that, then lunged at him.

There are 25 witnesses...

This guy is hopefully toast. I'd be in favor of him being the oldest man executed on record.

 

[The Commish]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

How could someone be in fear for their life while pointing a loaded gun at an unarmed man?

Ask the Zimmerman jury.

Zimmerman's head was being bounced off the concrete moments before the shooting so there was a valid arguement to be made. I don't think the old man had a scratch on him even from that popcorn attack.

Evidence suggests otherwise, but it doesn't matter in Florida. All Florida requires is that you believe person was scared for their lives at any moment. Anything happening before or after that moment doesn't matter.

 

[Quez]

The lesson is not that gun free zones don't work, it's that cc people are whack jobs and gun free zones need to be enforced rather than just leaving it up to the people to obey.

It would be impossible to enforce gun free zones and it probably wouldn't do anything. Even if they passed laws to have radiation spewing body scanners at every single theater someone could get shot in the parking lot. Then will people be calling for body scanners & vehicle searches before people get on the property?

I don't think there is a solution.

 

[lod01]

I suspect the retired cop will claim the guy said "I'm going to kill you" or something like that, then lunged at him.

There are 25 witnesses...

This guy is hopefully toast. I'd be in favor of him being the oldest man executed on record.

Dude will wish for a quick execution if he is sent to prison.

 

[Joe T]

I don't think there is a solution.

Ban all guns and cell phones. Problem solved.

 

[The Commish]

The lesson is not that gun free zones don't work, it's that cc people are whack jobs and gun free zones need to be enforced rather than just leaving it up to the people to obey.

It would be impossible to enforce gun free zones and it probably wouldn't do anything. Even if they passed laws to have radiation spewing body scanners at every single theater someone could get shot in the parking lot. Then will people be calling for body scanners & vehicle searches before people get on the property?

I don't think there is a solution.

obviously the solution is for everyone who's scared ####less about being shot to carry their own gun.....problem solved.

 

[Politician Spock]

regardless if they take the popcorn as self defense he'll still get hit with agg/assault deadly weapon for shooting the wife in the hand.

I do think he will walk on the murder.

Unless he claims he was in fear for his life

How could someone be in fear for their life while pointing a loaded gun at an unarmed man?

Ask the Zimmerman jury.

Zimmerman's head was being bounced off the concrete moments before the shooting so there was a valid arguement to be made. I don't think the old man had a scratch on him even from that popcorn attack.

Did he stick a kernel between his teeth and gum? That's beyond torture!!!

 

[jwb]

The ironic thing is, as much as these incidents make the anti-gun people yell louder, they also strengthen my (and every CC person's) resolve to always carry.

There's no way more people carrying makes things better in this situation.

Tell that to the father who's dead.Part of the reason I carry is so that if I ever run into this type of situation I have a chance of saving myself and my loved ones from serious harm or death.

But let's let this thread continue on down the usual painting of the Herman Rockwell painting where all guns magically disappear from society.

Until you can guarantee those that wish to so me harm aren't armed, I chose to be.

This is where I stand too. I'm not crazy about all the guns that are around, but as long as people are going to have them, I want one.

Truthfully, I almost find it odd that anyone would disagree. You can be anti gun in general thought, yet still want the means to protect your family if it came down to that.

 

[glock]

:heavysigh: I long to return to the days when people resorted to fisticuffs in instances like this. Now we have people carrying in case other people are carrying...